[Closed]R17x: Black Arrow Prospero X-3 <DZMC Exclusive> $130 / 40GHS

[bobsag3]

So I have a really interesting bug I have never encountered before... Armoury will not let me send more than 1 transaction at a time, before letting the other transaction be fulled confirmed first.

[danleuthner]

still waiting for partial refund...

requested the 10th...

[patriks]

confirm my refund has been received.  thank you for your hard work and time and it is certainly a shame that the order was delayed, this would have been a great investment!  all the best and I look forward to any future dz group buys!

[pdawg]

I just received the balance of my refund for my 100 share purchase.  If there is another group buy (no pre-order) with returns similar to what R17 would have produced, I will be back.  DZMC is a standup group in a crazy BTC world.

[vilgem]

Dear @bobsag3,

I'm trying to reach you for several days (PM, email, Minersource support) with no success. We have a problem with a refund wire you sent on 02/22/2014. As you forgot to provide my account number and provided a wrong beneficiary's name, the wire has been received by my bank on 02/24/2014 and sent back to your bank BOA two days later on 02/26/2014. You should have already recevied the money back. Please call your bank helpdesk or just check your account for incoming transactions. I have proveded the correct bank/account information for the refund in my emails and PM. Please resend the refund asap.

[smooth]

No refund received. Nearly a month since it was requested.

[Tasweb]

My refund was received today.

Sorry to see this GB fail :-(

[bluesticker]

still no refund for me either...

no answer to multiple pm's 

[Sinewayv]

Refund Sent, TXID: 39b027751d213a67cd09660ed50bda5381319086c96549b8a28c2d4d9d9898c3

Thank you, refund received, much appreciated, made my recovery from hospital so much sweeter!

(I got hit by a local bus on my high street and almost killed!)

[crackfoo]

still no refund for me either...

no answer to multiple pm's 

same. since Feb 13

[ivanrebroff]

still no refound order #769

no response of my pms

[vilgem]

Dear @bobsag3,

I'm trying to reach you for several days (PM, email, Minersource support) with no success. We have a problem with a refund wire you sent on 02/22/2014. As you forgot to provide my account number and provided a wrong beneficiary's name, the wire has been received by my bank on 02/24/2014 and sent back to your bank BOA two days later on 02/26/2014. You should have already recevied the money back. Please call your bank helpdesk or just check your account for incoming transactions. I have proveded the correct bank/account information for the refund in my emails and PM. Please resend the refund asap.

[alexout]

Just recieved my refund for 100 shares on the 4th of this month.

Thanks bobsag3!

[dbell]

No refund received. Nearly a month since it was requested.

Still waiting on my refund request from Feb. 10 as well.    Only 12 shares.   3rd PM sent today

[Bytas]

Asker for a refund on februari 26th

No response either

#Payout adress#
1CmuNXicdyJ6fC5fUN1Twkf8w8CbaLu5EK
#message#
order #1319
4 shares
Amount paid: 0.62843602 BTC

payed to:  12C3NqvqzHDxsQKK47tL6n7w4x91eKZzfh
txID: bef6fc9e4f5197da1f28213afbbad838979e51b188ffe5570b0c4ff5387b6eef
#signature#
H6ZbGd3HFsa13Df3/aTKJWFzjoV5+oui6jYgLiTv2E2niXWStgQd9t7JMbH4/fyGUAKtgwjMJXWt1asd1ZDDIx8=

[philipma1957]

okay I am just back from my eye doctor I am going to update the refund list once my eyes get back to normal.  so please go to that thread read if I have you on the list and if  i do not have you up to date I will do so some time today.

He has refunded 2 largest buyers 100 shares each that is 200 shares plus a lot of others to date. I believe more then 300 shares total.

  Since he is buying coins to do it and only coinbase sells coins in the usa it has been slow.



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=468027.0

please post your status on my thread I will update it later today.

[danleuthner]

still waiting for refund on my last two orders about 23 shares... requested on feb 10th... I wanted to put it somewhere else, this waiting really sucks...

[chnch]

The same issue here, refund requested on Feb 18, no refund received until now.

Can you please advise us guys what's your policy processing these cases?

(Refund details for your convenience:
Order #1011
No. of shares: 10
Refund to: 1HW85qZynApvFaZFbsyuip7q83tuhf8668)

Thanks,

ch

[timegrinder]

Apart from the obvious and severe lack of communication (As someone said, would it have killed someone to send out an email to the GB user list? We all know you've got it) because having to check back here to find out the reason I haven't seen a share payout was because the entire thing's been delayed by months.

I (and I assume anyone else actually aware of the issues and staying in the GB) would like to know:

Other than the 25% boost to hash rate we'll be granted by remaining in the group buy (assuming you're still passing that on) will anyone staying in the group buy be entitled to the additional 10% discount on all BlackArrow based hardware group buys run by DZMC in the future (until the offered period expires, so 2015)?

Another issue with the 25% boost to hash rate - BA doesn't seem to realise that it's not really a fix, it's obviously just covering their arses because if it was 25% additional hardware it might actually be worth it because then the GB will still have the resale option at the end of the life of the miner (for BTC mining anyway).

25% additional mining with their 'hosting' doesn't really cover a thing, as... oh wait that's right, a month after they were due that 25% will be worthless, (based on the fact that difficulty rises have slowed) and by the time they're received we'll probably be down to 50% or less BTC output.

A second thought with the 10% discounted hardware - will that include the existing order eg. covered under the price protection that was apparently offered? (Unless I've mistakenly mixed up two threads I was reading regarding hardware)

As an aside: As previously stated Matt (Bobsag) being a reseller and running all the purchases through himself to BA causes a major conflict of interest without complete transparency (I understand it's the only way it could be done, but the TRANSPARENCY is the key word), previous requests for costs/sales have gone unanswered so for all we know there's money being taken off the top as well during this entire thing.
(And before ANYONE says 'oh but it was at-cost' I've seen plenty of people state 'at cost' but that's at the cost TO THEM, which they can fudge the numbers on any way they see fit, whether it be labour, time, expertise etc, not just the sale price of the hardware + shipping)
We're also unaware as to how the BTC was moved, as it may have been cashed out at some point at a higher USD value, then cashed back in now in order to refund people (Which could either cause a massive bonus or a massive loss depending on value changes) so for all we know there's additional funds being skimmed off the top again without the end user really being aware.

The way you run a proper co-op is to have the group run it, to have transparency, to allow people access to information. While I understand we didn't vote for you to be our leaders, you're there and doing it because you can, you want to etc, we all (generally) benefit from that while I repeatedly see the people running it stating they end up at a loss at some points (That is NO way to operate, because if your operators start making losses it adds a certain underlying level of contempt to their userbase for 'costing' them something)

The fact that your website's been drastically altered and no updates have been provided also shows a severe lack of professionalism on the entire part of the co-op operators.

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On a different note: While people investigating each other to keep them honest is all nice and useful to the end user... who gives a flying fuck if the guy smokes or grows or deals in pot? Provided it doesn't interfere with what he/she/it does here it shouldn't damn well matter.

If you've got that much of an issue with people being 'seedy' and 'underworld' and operating in BTC... get a grip on reality, it happens everywhere. Your next door neighbour could be a drug kingpin for all you know, but it you don't have any idea on that because they don't let it affect how they interact with you.

[Leoto]

Another issue with the 25% boost to hash rate - BA doesn't seem to realise that it's not really a fix, it's obviously just covering their arses because if it was 25% additional hardware it might actually be worth it because then the GB will still have the resale option at the end of the life of the miner (for BTC mining anyway).

25% additional mining with their 'hosting' doesn't really cover a thing, as... oh wait that's right, a month after they were due that 25% will be worthless, (based on the fact that difficulty rises have slowed) and by the time they're received we'll probably be down to 50% or less BTC output.

From my point of view, it is the potential drop in the price of X-3 that can give us the biggest boost.  It appears that their policy is that we get a speed boost commensurate with any price drop.  So if these were going for $6000 at the time of preorder and they are selling $2000 at the time they actually ship, then we get 3 times the original hash rate and perhaps another 25% on top of that.  That's my understanding. 

Can someone from DZMZ please confirm?  PLEASE?