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March 31, 2014, 04:18:10 AM
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le lol, was pretty clear that she was a "attention whore" that took the opportunity to gain more attention 

I think you should get a mental checkup.

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Ukraine announced mobilisation of all males younger than 55 years:
http://www.bfm.ru/news/252355?doctype=news

"Mobilization of everyone under 55" is rather different that what actually happened, "Ukrainian parliament passes bill raising military age to 55."

Am I supposed to assume any article with .ru or rt in it is as trustworthy as Fox News or Soviet Pravda?


Putin may have made Ukraine a much more unified country by trying to break it up and claiming it's part of Russia:
http://news.yahoo.com/conflict-russia-galvanizes-ukraines-identity-105124073.html


Seizure of power is not enough if you wish to declare a revolution. The "Revolution" term has an exact definition.

In the Ukraine we see no revolution at all. Nothing has been changed in power, organizational structures are left unchanged too. So, any statements about so-called "revolution" are bullshit.

In Ukraine they went from a totalitarian "democracy" to a constitutional republic, so it's at least a little bit of a revolution.

BS. It is the US which always bullies the less powerful nations, not Russia.

Um, I think you missed the entire 20th century, when Russia honed its skills at proclaiming the "truth" to be the exact opposite of what it was. Remember all that Soviet propaganda and fake news that they did for decades? Why do you think that changed?


Uhaha I see "Gayropean union" on the poster, that was funny Cheesy

Um, how so? I don't get it :/
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Am I supposed to assume any article with .ru or rt in it is as trustworthy as Fox News or Soviet Pravda?

As trustworthy as any news outlet. You always have to filter out the propaganda, indiscriminately if you hear it on the Western on Eastern news channels.

Putin may have made Ukraine a much more unified country by trying to break it up and claiming it's part of Russia:
http://news.yahoo.com/conflict-russia-galvanizes-ukraines-identity-105124073.html

Break it up? Last I checked Russia accepted Crimea back into its fold, but otherwise advocated strongly for the unity of Ukraine, despite strong separatist movement in the South-Eastern regions.

In Ukraine they went from a totalitarian "democracy" to a constitutional republic, so it's at least a little bit of a revolution.

For it to be a constitutional republic, there first needs to be a constitution that is not constantly rewritten with regards to presidency election procedures and citizen rights.

In Ukraine they went from a totalitarian
Um, I think you missed the entire 20th century, when Russia honed its skills at proclaiming the "truth" to be the exact opposite of what it was. Remember all that Soviet propaganda and fake news that they did for decades? Why do you think that changed?

I would very much like people started to differentiate between Russia and Soviet Union.
Besides, fake propaganda works both ways.
May I, for example, recommend this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Incident-Sakhalin-True-Mission-Flight/dp/1568580541/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1396253280&sr=1-1&keywords=Incident+at+Sakhalin%3A+The+True+Mission+of+KAL+Flight+007

Uhaha I see "Gayropean union" on the poster, that was funny Cheesy
Um, how so? I don't get it :/

The European fixation on gay laws after fake propaganda, perverting the facts around the said laws, which, despite what EU was touting, do not limit or criminalise gay persons. It limits exposure of gay morals to children in much the same way as alcohol and tobacco commercials are prohibited in many European countries.
This is one of those "truths" that happen to be the exact opposite.

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March 31, 2014, 08:39:10 PM
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Soviet Union collapsed after the crude oil prices nosedived. Don't invent any new theories

USA, Middle East, and Canada didn't collapse after crude oil prices nosedived, so it wasn't just that. It actually collapsed when its military spending ended way higher than the badly planned economy could handle. At some point, USSR just couldn't afford to pay for itself any more (I believe the final straw was a new experimental football sized submarine they built and couldn't afford to pay for)

I would very much like people started to differentiate between Russia and Soviet Union.

Why? Are the people currently in power NOT the same exact people who used to work for the KGB and such? Who in russian government is not an old soviet government member or old soviet oligarch? (I suspect of those at the top, it's a very small list).

The European fixation on gay laws after fake propaganda, perverting the facts around the said laws, which, despite what EU was touting, do not limit or criminalise gay persons. It limits exposure of gay morals to children in much the same way as alcohol and tobacco commercials are prohibited in many European countries.

But the laws don't say "don't give children gay sex," they say "don't expose children to gay things, period." It's like banning showing a bottle of wine, or a beer, to any children, on TV or otherwise. If I held hands with another guy, or kissed him in public, where children could see, I would be breaking the law. If I was drinking a beer in public, even outside a restaurant, that's still legal. That's why that law was attacked.
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USA, Middle East, and Canada didn't collapse after crude oil prices nosedived, so it wasn't just that. It actually collapsed when its military spending ended way higher than the badly planned economy could handle. At some point, USSR just couldn't afford to pay for itself any more (I believe the final straw was a new experimental football sized submarine they built and couldn't afford to pay for)

That's what I was arguing for as well, but got downvoted. Smiley

I would very much like people started to differentiate between Russia and Soviet Union.
Why? Are the people currently in power NOT the same exact people who used to work for the KGB and such? Who in russian government is not an old soviet government member or old soviet oligarch? (I suspect of those at the top, it's a very small list).

Not entirely. Those people that were in charge of the Soviet Union, are now in charge of Russia, Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, Belarus, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithauen, Estonia, Georgia, Armenia, well, you get the picture.

RSFSR (Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, for those who don't know), had least to say in its own governing, compared to the other republics in the Soviet Union. Even its name, Russia, was stripped and obscured into this abbreviation of RSFSR. Leaders of the USSR were in many cases not even Russian. I think Gorbachev was the first real leader of USSR who was Russian as well. Russia was for the most part the donor, while the other republics, the recipients (with the possible exception of the Baltic republics, which were always better off than the rest*), and I am not just talking about money flow. Crimea is one of the more publicised donorships done by USSR without Russian consent (and against the Constitution of the Soviet Union).
So when talking of the period between 1917 and 1992, when you say "Soviets" or "USSR", you are covering the whole union, and by using "Russians" or "Russia" or "RSFSR", you are talking about a federation (which in turn consist of multiple coexisting nationalities), which almost ceased to exist during the USSR reign.

* A small digression: In USSR, travelling to the Baltic republics was like travelling to the West. I remember visiting some friends in Tallin, coming from Moscow myself and being amazed by high life standards and the general atmosphere of prosperity there. The Baltic countries now, under EU, are not even a shadow of their former self, and when I visited now "from the other side", I was again "amazed" in the sense of "appalled". If they were so opposed to the notion of unions, they should have taken the Norwegian route and said no to EU (Norway said no to EU twice, and is much happier for that).

If I was drinking a beer in public, even outside a restaurant, that's still legal. That's why that law was attacked.

We are entering the area of legal semantics. By the way, in Norway it's a criminal offence to partake beer in the street. Wink If a patron of a restaurant takes his glass of wine outside, that restaurant will have its license revoked by the police on the spot. And smoking in public undesignated areas will result in a hefty fine.

In Russia, no one would put you to jail for kissing, gay or heterosexual. However, organising a gay parade will not be tolerated as it is perceived as a forceful social propaganda.
If you really want to see a country where gay people are criminalised, travel to India, where you can be put in jail for it, or travel just 60 years back in time to Great Britain, where you could get "treated" (hint: Alan Turing a computer science genius, persecuted by the British authorities for being gay and coincidentally committed suicide the same year Crimea was separated from Russia. He was first pardoned by the Queen in 2013, a few months before Crimea reunited with Russia - coincidence again). The laws as they were formulated in Russia, then in Soviet Union and now in Russia again never went to these extremes. Russian Empire was actually one of the most liberal with this regard, and, guess what, was ridiculed by Europe for that.


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I hope everything works out in ukrain
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Only thing worth a damn in this world is land...

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But the laws don't say "don't give children gay sex," they say "don't expose children to gay things, period." It's like banning showing a bottle of wine, or a beer, to any children, on TV or otherwise. If I held hands with another guy, or kissed him in public, where children could see, I would be breaking the law. If I was drinking a beer in public, even outside a restaurant, that's still legal. That's why that law was attacked.

Don't spread lies. The law bans explicit gay propaganda being spread to children. If you wan't to kiss some guy, then it is perfectly OK to do so.
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Only thing worth a damn in this world is land...

Ummmm...
Food and fresh water?

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Only thing worth a damn in this world is land...

Ummmm...
Food and fresh water?

Food and fresh water required land.

Without the land, how you'll grow the crops?
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The Baltic countries now, under EU, are not even a shadow of their former self, and when I visited now "from the other side", I was again "amazed" in the sense of "appalled".
But now they have a "democracy" and IMF loans Smiley

Crimea is one of the more publicised donorships done by USSR without Russian consent (and against the Constitution of the Soviet Union).
By the way, according to constitution it's quite interesting procedure.

If autonomous SSR decided to leave one SSR and join another SSR, it would require:

  • Local referendum on the autonomous SSR territory;
  • Review of referendum results in the local and federal government;
  • All-Union referendum;
  • From 3 to 5 years of transitional period for adaptation of local law.

As far I know, nothing of this happened in 1954... It seems that Khrushchev understood that even local referendum would say "NO, FUCKING NO!" Cheesy

RSFSR (Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, for those who don't know), had least to say in its own governing, compared to the other republics in the Soviet Union.
It even had no own government. RSFSR was under direct control of the USSR federal government, until the middle 1980s.

Russia was for the most part the donor, while the other republics, the recipients (with the possible exception of the Baltic republics, which were always better off than the rest*), and I am not just talking about money flow. Crimea is one of the more publicised donorships done by USSR without Russian consent (and against the Constitution of the Soviet Union).
Kazakh SSR and RSFSR were the only republics with positive balance. All other states, including Estonia and Luthania, were in permanent debt.

However, why should we care about this facts, he won't accept anything except propaganda. Cheesy
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http://terragermania.com/2014/03/28/petition-gestartet-wir-wollen-russia-today-auf-deutsch/
https://www.openpetition.de/petition/online/russia-today-auf-deutsch-petition
http://www.seewald.ru/internetkonferenz-am-27-03-2014-um-1900-uhr-ueber-russia-today-auf-deutsch-petition/
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Kazakh SSR and RSFSR were the only republics with positive balance. All other states, including Estonia and Luthania, were in permanent debt.

A nation cannot survive when 50% of the population remain as parasites and leach off from the other 50%. That is why the USSR collapsed.
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Only thing worth a damn in this world is land...

Ummmm...
Food and fresh water?

Food and fresh water required land.

Without the land, how you'll grow the crops?

Only thing worth a damn in this world is land...
You do not need to own land to place value on Food and fresh water?

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Now they are trying to enrich from the EU.  Smiley
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Now they are trying to reach of from the EU.  Smiley

I don't know how long the EU can sustain itself. EU is another USSR in the making. The "rich" nations such as Germany and the UK are financing bankrupt ones such as Greece and Romania. Add Ukraine in to the equation, and we can expect a complete collapse in the near future.
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I don't know how long the EU can sustain itself. EU is another USSR in the making. The "rich" nations such as Germany and the UK are financing bankrupt ones such as Greece and Romania. Add Ukraine in to the equation, and we can expect a complete collapse in the near future.

I think that the total population of the contributer nations (such as UK, Germany, France, Netherlands.etc) is much higher than that of the parasite nations (Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia.etc).

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April 02, 2014, 05:25:32 AM
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Now they are trying to reach of from the EU.  Smiley

I don't know how long the EU can sustain itself. EU is another USSR in the making. The "rich" nations such as Germany and the UK are financing bankrupt ones such as Greece and Romania. Add Ukraine in to the equation, and we can expect a complete collapse in the near future.

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rich nations in EU get's market's and more money from less developed countries,
and the difference increases.

Poor countries are forced to reduce of labor and social rights.

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April 02, 2014, 05:28:01 AM
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I don't know how long the EU can sustain itself. EU is another USSR in the making. The "rich" nations such as Germany and the UK are financing bankrupt ones such as Greece and Romania. Add Ukraine in to the equation, and we can expect a complete collapse in the near future.

I think that the total population of the contributer nations (such as UK, Germany, France, Netherlands.etc) is much higher than that of the parasite nations (Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia.etc).


you're sick

there is no parasite nation.

But there are some parazite in every nation... like you

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