Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution.

[Nemo1024]

Here's a tribute to a child murdered and burned alive by neo-Nazis from Right Sector in Odessa.

That act of atrocity will not be forgotten. Neither in Novorossia, nor in Russia, and it does not matter how silent the West is about it.


A very well-written analysis of the current state of affairs:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.no/2014/05/ukraine-sitrep-may-29th-1554-utczulu.html

Is it that the political leaders and the junta are simply stupid or completely miss-informed?

No, it's not that simple.  For one thing, to speak of a "junta's strategy" or "Poroshenko's strategy" is plain wrong as this accepts they myth that that is an independent government in the Ukraine.  There is none.  Truly, all the decisions are taken by Uncle Sam and his representatives in Kiev and the so-called authorities are just the USA's collaborators who simply take orders form their boss.  And for all their sins, the folks in DC are neither stupid not poorly informed.  So what is their strategy in this frankly weird civil war?

Ideally, the first objective of the AngloZionists would be to trigger a Russian military intervention in protection of Novorossiia. That would re-create the kind of Cold War tensions these folks are so nostalgic for.  It would give a justification for the existence of NATO and, if played well, it could even result in NATO and Russian forces looking at each other across the Dniepr river.  Not only would such a situation be a dream come true for the US military-industrial complex, it would make it possible for the USA to achieve one of its most important strategic objective: to keep Europe colonized and to prevent any chance of its integration with the East.  Far from being stupid, this strategy is nothing short of brilliant as it gives Putin only two choices: if Russia does not intervene Putin will look weak, indecisive, or even like a traitor to the Russian people, but if Russia does intervene, then Putin will be called the "New Hitler" or "New Stalin", a crazed Russian nationalist hell-bent on re-building the Soviet Union and crushing the freedom-loving Europeans under his tanks.  Are these cliches?  Yes, of course, but they will be used.  So for Putin its "damned if you do, and damned if you don't".

Second option: to wear down the NDF to the point where they will eventually surrender.  Not very likely, but in theory possible.  Should that happen, this could be presented as a double victory for Poroshenko: he crushed the "terrorists" and he "deterred the Russian Bear".  Again, this is a lot of whishful thinking, but in theory the US might see that as a unlikely but possible outcome.

Option three: the old US strategy of "what I cannot have, I burn down".  Basically, the strategy here is to destroy and damage as much of Novorossiia as possible, making a recovery as long and costly as possible.  This is also a lesson to all those who dare defy the Empire: you disobey and we will make you pay.

And the comments to that article are very good as well.

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[bryant.coleman]

The latest tweet from Foreign Affairs Committee, U.S. House of Representatives, House Committee on Foreign Affairs:

https://twitter.com/HFACDemocrats/status/472784195321098240

Selling amphibious warships to Russia would be slap in the face to Ukraine & other NATO Allies.

So officially, Ukraine is a NATO ally now. 

[Nemo1024]

Investigation. Collection of materials against the Kiev coup persons, to be presented at a war tribunal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqI38lrtHe0

Police archives info on the criminal past of the current leaders of Ukraine.

[bryant.coleman]

What will happen to the UPL?

The Uncertain Future of the Ukrainian Premier League

http://futbolgrad.com/the-uncertain-future-of-the-ukrainian-premier-league

[blablahblah]

Bankers know how to create wealth. If they take over the country and change it to make it create wealth, that would be a good thing for everyone living there (except for those living off of other's work and wealth).

Yes. Bankers know how to create wealth. They take away money from hard working people and give it to the politicians.

No, taxes take away money from hard working people. Bankers just take money from inefficient and wasteful parts of the market, and invest it where it can do some good.

By the way, are you on this forum mainly for things like Freicoin instead of Bitcoin? Or for the Resource Based Economy / Venus Project stuff? Or are you just getting paid to continue the Russian propaganda? You seem to be rather socialist and anti capitalist in the things you espouse, and now even more so with your rather extreme support of Russia and their policies.

I've ignored your crazy historical views on Ukraine and everything that flows out of those views for a while now

He's the only talking sense. The rest of you guys are just reposting Russian propaganda. Even the links with Western-sounding names have Russian authors.

, but I cannot ignore this one:

Bankers = good?

And here I thought that banks are private organizations which lobby the hell out of every politician in every country to reduce regulation and thereby take money from inefficient and wasteful parts of the market and put it into their own pockets...

Everyone lobbies everyone else. That's the nature of the game.

I cannot ignore this one:

Bankers = inherently bad?

Therefore people managing and dealing with money are bad? And money itself is evil? You're welcome to share your Venus Project views with us, but please explain how the "moneyless world" alternative will actually work. Step by step, so that the instructions could be programmed into a giant computer like the one that will be running their world-saving crypto-communist paradise. Surely, you are against slavery? You want initiatives like the Venus Project to succeed, right. So tell us how it works.

[bryant.coleman]

Kids evacuated from Slavyansk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-9zj1UPqjE

Meanwhile, a lot of support for Putin in the new European Parliament. 

Nigel Farage is another of Moscow’s darlings as Putin backs Right

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/479532/Nigel-Farage-is-another-of-Moscow-s-darlings-as-Putin-backs-Right

[Nemo1024]

Unsurprisingly too, Vona has stated he wants Hungary to leave the EU and join a Eurasian union instead.

Bulgaria’s far right Ataka party is also a friend to Moscow, and documents revealed on Wikileaks laid the relationship bare. Party leader Volen Siderov called for Russia’s accession to the EU, and for the Government to “recognise the results from the referendum for Crimea’s joining to the Russian Federation.”

It is not just an Eastern European problem, however.

So, it's a "problem" now, eh?

I think someone forgets that at least Bulgaria, Serbia and Russia are very close culturally, historically and linguistically. Reading Bulgarian is almost like reading old-Russian - they preserved the original Slavic language much better. And someone is hell bent on antagonising natural allies.

And Hungary has much more to gain in the Eurasian trade union - they will get a market, so they can again start producing and fighting that pesky unemployment.

[bryant.coleman]

And Hungary has much more to gain in the Eurasian trade union - they will get a market, so they can again start producing and fighting that pesky unemployment.

Hungary is a relatively well-off nation, with a hard-working population. And a large part of the general population is not happy about the crazy policies of the EU (such as open borders, very high tax rates, and climate policies).

[PizzaTraveler]

Nigel Farage is another of Moscow’s darlings as Putin backs Right

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/479532/Nigel-Farage-is-another-of-Moscow-s-darlings-as-Putin-backs-Right

I'm Nigel Farage, also known as Nigel Farage,
Nigel Farage, so stap back Nicky Minaj!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVUHYfjyVYI

[bryant.coleman]

Right Sector Neo-Nazis harassing people. Fascists beat up and hunt people in the Ukrainian city of Dniepopetrovsk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJfYXPIgo9A

And an article about the future of Petro Poroshenko, and the rest of the Kiev junta.

Ukraine’s Vietnam

http://my.firedoglake.com/fairleft/2014/06/01/ukraines-vietnam/

[Nemo1024]

Two jokes, which are well-grounded in reality:

"Petro Poroshenko vows to rebuild Ukrainian economy that got destroyed during the previous president's reign, when Petro Poroshenko was the Minister of Economic Development and Trade."

"One old Cossack once said: if someone sends Ukrainians to fight with Russians, both should stand at the border, back to back, and shoot at that 'someone' who sent them to fight."

[bryant.coleman]

People are not happy, even in Kiev.

Rally in central Kiev demands changes in Ukraine’s system of power

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/734238

[Nemo1024]

People are not happy, even in Kiev.

Rally in central Kiev demands changes in Ukraine’s system of power

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/734238

No, they are not.

Klichko got whistled down during the "public gathering" on Maidan:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/06/01/n_6198773.shtml

And an article about the future of Petro Poroshenko, and the rest of the Kiev junta.
Ukraine’s Vietnam
http://my.firedoglake.com/fairleft/2014/06/01/ukraines-vietnam/

Good one! The final quote nails it:

What is left to do then for Washington is to create more chaos in Ukraine and to hope that somehow out of total chaos some new chance may arise to stick it to Russia. For lack of real direction that strategy is also unlikely to succeed.

Let’s hope it fails sooner rather than later. Fewer dead civilians that way.

[bryant.coleman]

Ukrainian Army - Rebellion is fermenting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXUrd_sAO48

Ukraine's puppet masters

http://www.eurozine.com/articles/2014-05-15-leshchenko-en.html

Kolomoisky warmed to the opposition side so openly because, after taking over the presidency, Yanukovich treated the interests of local elites with contempt. He appointed a manager from Akhmetov's Donetsk corporations as governor of Dnepropetrovsk. The elites of the region, which had run Ukraine for years, took this as an affront and looked out for opportunities to get their own back. After Yanukovich was overthrown, Kolomoisky took over as head of the Dnepropetrovsk region. His appointment to this position of power was explained in terms of a need to suppress the separatist mood in the region.

[Nemo1024]

Kadyrov is flexing his muscles. He said that Chechnia can send up to 74000 fighters to Ukraine "to clean up the mess":
http://top.rbc.ru/politics/01/06/2014/927607.shtml
He is rather peeved with all the West-Ukrainians (Yarosh including) who fought in Chechenia on the side of insurgents.


Klichko is accepting a possibility to re-count votes:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/06/01/n_6199565.shtml

[Balthazar]

Kadyrov is flexing his muscles. He said that Chechnia can send up to 74000 fighters to Ukraine "to clean up the mess":

I think that he trolls too hard. Such amount of troops would be enough for Ukraine and the the rest of neighbour countries like baltic states, despite the presence of NATO troops there.

[Nemo1024]

Hmmm. Found an interesting collection of protest meetings from all over Europe against fascism in Ukraine:
http://iskatel-2014.livejournal.com/

From the same source (http://iskatel-2014.livejournal.com/49098.html), in Herson region there are strong sentiments for joining Crimea, as people in Herson are fed up with pro-American Kiev bunch. There is also economic reason for it, as most of Herson production was geared towards Crimea.

Ha! Poroshenko... Change one letter and you get "porosenko", which is literally this:

[Rassah]

Regarding IMF, and their effect on Iceland, get yourselves educated: https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2011/car110311a.htm

Ironically, despite you guys claiming that getting IMF bailout means giving yourself up to the banks, the main success of the bailout was because IMF made sure the exact opposite happened, by forcing the failing banks in Iceland to eat their own shit, instead of forcing the people to bail out the banks. As a result, Iceland recovered substantially, was shielded from the continuing collapsed in Europe (Greece, Cyprus, etc.), and is paying back the IMF loan early.

[bryant.coleman]

The connection between the Azov brigade of the Kiev junta and the Nazis.

[Rassah]

One teeny tiny difference: Nazis invaded other countries and killed their population. These guys are fighting foreign invaders and defending their country. Their tactics may be questionable, though I don't know, since I don't know what their tactics are (I suspect you don't either), but saying they're Nazis is kind of like saying that that the Polish fighters who were fighting against the German invasion in WW2 are Nazis.

In the mean time, http://landandseajournal.com/4500-russian-fighters-have-crossed-the-ukraine-border/

Also, did you hear that Right Sector recently raided and emptied the headquarters of Donetsk People's Republic, declared martial law, and imposed a curfew?



Nah, I'm lying, they were actually Russian "Vostok Battalion,", not Right Sector. Although I'm sure either Russian Media, or you idiots, will claim they are Right Sector, since apparently according to you, anyone wearing military uniforms and carrying guns in Ukraine is Right Sector 

Also, Russia got busted for lying again

It also emerged that 33 men killed in bloody battles in Donetsk were Russian citizens, giving backing to Ukraine's claims that Moscow's blatant interference is fuelling the conflict.