{BFL} Here's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK at your Monarch!

[LittleD]

Heres a look at youR Monarch   What do you think  

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[cedivad]

I think that BFL is good at printing pretty PCBs with "prototype" on it so that they get the attention of the press.

[MiningBuddy]

Looks nice and pretty but that's about it I'm afraid.

[Bicknellski]

Now are the chips under that "waterblock" dumby (urban dictionary sp.) or real? Still no word on the pending slice and bump etc nor mention of a test. This is going to be months of no to little information and delays just like last time. If after this incarnation people continue to promote BFL then it really is a matter of paid sponsoring on an order never been seen in this community.

March... I am guessing May if you are "first" in line.

[Stinky_Pete]

Fugly.

[PuertoLibre]

I think that BFL is good at printing pretty PCBs with "prototype" on it so that they get the attention of the press.

It is a ball of smoke.

It is a prototype 1 board (no traces, not a working PCB).

They should take that pic again on a prototype 3 or higher.


(Should be blue)


(But instead they used a dead board to take the pic with....ie.....no progress)

Edit: Nevermind, OP added 2 extra photors with what looks like a revision 3 board.

[PuertoLibre]

Heres a look at youR Monarch   What do you think  

MONSTROSITY!

Looks like they are dropping the heatsink (ala video cards/GPU's).

in favor of liquid cooling connections.

I imagine they will make a nightmare to install side by side inside a PC unless you have ample experience with water cooling solutions.

[rammy2k2]

are those official pics ?

[LittleD]

are those official pics ?

Don't know I hope not ~ that thing looks crazy!

[TiagoTiago]

Am i just not used to this type of design, or does it really look jerryrigged?

[PuertoLibre]

Am i just not used to this type of design, or does it really look jerryrigged?

It's Inaba-rigged. It is a whole new league of "Wow, WTF is that? Will it Work?"

Jerry rigs things with a [barely] respectable thought as to form and function.

Macgyver is crying in his basement right now after seeing this pic.

[cedivad]

I think that BFL is good at printing pretty PCBs with "prototype" on it so that they get the attention of the press.

It is a ball of smoke.

Do you remember HashFast high precision PCBs? Black PCBs made of 3d printed plastic? LOL, i've yet to add them to my wiki, but yet, amazing.

[Bicknellski]

It is a ball of smoke.

It might go up in a ball of smoke. FTFY.

[goxed]

http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/7/5285242/the-bleeding-edge-in-bitcoin-mining-hardware-comes-to-ces

[cedivad]

http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/7/5285242/the-bleeding-edge-in-bitcoin-mining-hardware-comes-to-ces

HashFast, claims to have started shipping its ultra-fast Baby Jet rigs in late December (although customers say the company is past due on its shipments).

That's only thanks to us. I should write her back asking for a link.

[Thom]

Terrifying!

How long until piping hot water from mining rigs is heating our homes?

edit: no, wait, cup holders made of block erupters. There. I've solved the BTC energy problem.

[CoinHoarder]

I was expecting a box of fans, but I was disappointed when I saw the water blocks/radiator. 

[Korbman]

It's like I'm having flashbacks to this time last year when Josh released that ASIC "timeline" to get the chips out. Seems they're about on schedule for June delivery then!

[joeventura]

This is going to be quite entertaining.

In about 3 months the announcement that the cards will come with free cooling blocks, filled with liquid nitrogen immersed in dry ice.

With a warning that if you turn off the cooling before you turn off the Monarch, the card will turn to lava and burn through to the core of the earth.

[miter_myles]

This is going to be quite entertaining.

In about 3 months the announcement that the cards will come with free cooling blocks, filled with liquid nitrogen immersed in dry ice.

With a warning that if you turn off the cooling before you turn off the Monarch, the card will turn to lava and burn through to the core of the earth.

Thus buyers should watch - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0298814/ - The Core

[braindead]

They placed the water blocks because there´s no Asic´s behind them, easy

[PuertoLibre]

This is going to be quite entertaining.

In about 3 months the announcement that the cards will come with free cooling blocks, filled with liquid nitrogen immersed in dry ice.

With a warning that if you turn off the cooling before you turn off the Monarch, the card will turn to lava and burn through to the core of the earth.

As we learned from Fukushima, when something burns into the earth, it will eventually hit underground pockets of water. Finally exploding upwards and irradiating all living things.

In this case, expect shrapnel.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

This is going to be quite entertaining.

In about 3 months the announcement that the cards will come with free cooling blocks, filled with liquid nitrogen immersed in dry ice.

With a warning that if you turn off the cooling before you turn off the Monarch, the card will turn to lava and burn through to the core of the earth.

As we learned from Fukushima, when something burns into the earth, it will eventually hit underground pockets of water. Finally exploding upwards and irradiating all living things.

In this case, expect shrapnel.

Was Shrapnel the name of the two-headed whale?: http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/1ukm98/twoheaded_whale_washes_ashore_in_baja_california/

[Hashcesar84]

lol! take care about water looses!!! 

[darcimer]

Can you smoke out of it?

[Unacceptable]

Can you smoke out of it?

Hookah Miner     

[LittleD]

one more picture

[cosmicone]

So did they show this hashing at ces or just show another prototype design?  Not sure I understand why bother if you don't have a working device?

[LittleD]

So did they show this hashing at ces or just show another prototype design?  Not sure I understand why bother if you don't have a working device?

just another prototype design  trying to get more sells 

[klondike_bar]

one more picture

that still shows a cluster of 'thermal resistors' rather than an ASIC

what a clusterfuck by BFL, and a demonstration that given a second chance, they still cant meet any sort of deadline

[bobcaticus]

that doesn't look like a very useful bong.

[cosmicone]

So did they show this hashing at ces or just show another prototype design?  Not sure I understand why bother if you don't have a working device?

just another prototype design  trying to get more sells 

Rather embarrassing for a product that was shipping last month and they don't even have a working prototype yet.

[Easy2Mine]

I am not suprised if they deliver the Monarch in 2015.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Can you smoke out of it?

Hookah Miner     

I found a great place to host them.

[Flying Hellfish]

Rather embarrassing for a product that was shipping last month and they don't even have a working prototype yet.

Well I mean sure if you use some crazy real world rationale, but if your BFL or one of their Fanbois (who seem to be dwindling by the hour unsurprisingly!) you're right on track, hell maybe even a bit ahead of schedule.  They are probably high fiving each other balls deep in hookers and blow as we speak.

[LittleD]

YOur boy Inaba just posted on Tweeter



Inaba thanks for BLOCKING ME... you CANT handle a little customer feed back You delay customers shipments and then you dont bless them with some money or and extra rig. You should learn from Cointerra, at less they are trying to make it up to the customers.

Sorry people unfortunate I wont be able to update you any more :/ 

[LittleD]

*Monarch UPDATE* From our favorite boy Inaba ~~ More LIEs!
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/4414-monarch-information.html#post74594

The Monarch roll out rolls forward

The silicon wafers are at the packaging planet as of the 13th of January. Our packaging plant is a multi-purpose plant and will be slicing the wafers into chips as well as packaging them. Traditionally, we've had to send chips to a slicing facility, then to the packaging facility, which incurs time delays. Our packaging facility eliminates that delay. They are also the same packaging facility we have been using for our second iteration 65nm chips and it has worked out very well, so we are familiar with them and they are familiar with us and know what requirements we have for our chips. This should make for fairly smooth sailing as far as packaging goes.

We currently expect our first test silicon chips to take approximately 1 week, give or take a few days, for processing and packaging. As with any cutting edge technology, unexpected problems can delay the process, but it's been fairly routine up to this point, so we are not anticipating any problems. After the packaging process is finished, the chips will be sent to our testing and binning facility in California to bring up the chip for the first time. Since this chip is based off of our 65nm design, the testing/bring up phase should be dramatically reduced from the 65nm chip bring up time, as all the IOs and behaviors are already known quantities. As with the packaging, unexpected problems can cause delays in this area, but we are hoping the bring up/testing process will take approximately one week, give or take a few days.

Once the chip testing is complete and verified, the remaining chips are sent to our Chicago facility for mounting on Monarch boards. At this stage, we will receive the first live Monarch board in our shop in KC a day or two later and we will begin the process of finalizing the firmware and testing out all facets of the board. We have had several prototype boards in for various types of testing, most notably a prototype design with resistors in place of the chips to test electrical connections on the board itself between the various components as well as to test heat load for the cooling system. As the majority of the testing of the board has already been done, unless there's a specific chip/board interface problem (which is unlikely), the board firmware testing and full scale testing "should be fairly quick".

At that point, we will begin assembling the delivery units and start shipping the Monarch shortly after that. Right now, we hope to start shipping the first Monarchs out the door at the very earliest at the very end of January or beginning of February, if there are any problems encountered, it may delay the roll out, but right now everything is going fine and we've encountered no unexpected issues. I will post another update as soon as I have additional information to share.

[Thom]

The silicon wafers are at the packaging planet

at the packaging planet

the packaging planet

[PuertoLibre]

The silicon wafers are at the packaging planet

at the packaging planet

the packaging planet

Which Planet might that be?

Perhaps we now know the mystery behind the long wait times. It is the interstellar travel that takes a while.

Bad chips? Solar radiation and poor shielding during space travel.

[Bicknellski]

[klintay]

Which Planet might that be?

Packaging Planet!

its planet where they package the defective monarch, pipes n all, along with disappearing invoice slips up the customer's ass!

BFLJosh is resident king there...

[sase007]

Heres a look at youR Monarch   What do you think  

Can I smoke weed with it?

[Unacceptable]

Heres a look at youR Monarch   What do you think  

Can I smoke weed with it?

I'm sure it'll get hot enough to burn a really good sized bud..........or 2.............or 4 

They aren't calling it the "Hookah miner" for nothing 

[Thom]

The silicon wafers are at the packaging planet

Which Planet might that be?

That's why nebulous pre-orders of miners from parallel dimensions get lost in wormholes so often. Or sold by dastardly robots.

[tvbcof]

Buy from BFL, you a stupid mutha-fucka
  Known around da hood as da schoolyard clucka
...

[Inaba]

It's always gratifying when the trolls only thing they have left to troll about is typos!

[Bicknellski]

Buy from BFL, you a stupid mutha-fucka
  Known around da hood as da schoolyard clucka
...

Where can I buy the album? In two weeks you say?

[tvbcof]

It's always gratifying when the trolls only thing they have left to troll about is typos!

...
Yo, E, she's a monarch, lets run a train!

Man, I wouldn't touch that bitch!

Me neither, Inaba go home and wash out ya beaver
And scamma's are out there, messing up people's health
Yo, what the fuck you gotta say for yourself?

...

[PuertoLibre]

Calm down folks, if Heatsink design was any indication of BFL's technical prowess...

...well, the water cooling should be a bag full of laughs.  

Holy hell, I bet they (Monarch customers) will be pleased by either the defective (low quality) chinese pumps or an issue with connecting their rigs to a tap water supply.

This is after all BFL. The radiator will probably leak or it will be undersized and never cool the water fast enough. I heard it was already supersized once already. [I say that in jest, but you just know it will happen again!]
The only solution is to connect the loop to the [water] mains and forgo the radiators. The roaring fans noise will probably be replaced by the low quality pump slowly grinding it's customers into maddness.

Not only will it guzzle electricity but also raise your water bill.

We shall be having funny discussions on G/Gh (Gallons Per GigaHash)

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Then again, if you are a Monarch customer chances are you are probably already incredibly ill-informed and will connect the pretty red tubes to the matching hot side of your sink. A ROFL RMA follows....

[PuertoLibre]

You just know they are going to force their customers to adopt accessories such as custom rigged cases to house these things. (Quick someone quote me for future reference.) Otherwise they won't be held responsible for any damages. (just wait for Inaba to confirm that)

Can you imagine the laughter BFL support will have when their general Monarch users main complaint is that the tubes from the Monarch are too big to leave the case safely?

Whats that? You sliced through a plastic tube due to a sharp edge and water leaked all over your Monarch and the PC hosting it. NOT our problem! (You know, people better buy insurance on these things!)

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Whats that? Support is receiving a tons of emails from angry customers because a fancy metal tube came in contact with an electronic component and fried a motherboard. (Don't worry, it looks like they are switching to rubberized tubing...we all hope!)

[superduh]

It's always gratifying when the trolls only thing they have left to troll about is typos!

or just referencing BFL's reputation. Two Weeks(tm) i think BFL has a catch phrase that it will forever be known as. don't worry BFL's reputation is only slightly worse than Yifus

[Unacceptable]

It's always gratifying when the trolls only thing they have left to troll about is typos!

or just referencing BFL's reputation. Two Weeks(tm) i think BFL has a catch phrase that it will forever be known as. don't worry BFL's reputation is only slightly worse than Yifus

Well,BFL is better than Hashfast     !!!!!!!!!!!!  Did I say that too soon     Probably 

[LittleD]

acouple more lies from your boy Josh:



Monarch Information-hangman.jpg
 No noose is good noose?

 Maybe so! No word from the packaging facility as of yet, which means there's no problems. That's good. That's really all the update I have, as the status of things hasn't changed much since last week - just waiting on slicing/dicing/packaging. While we expect the chips out sooner, the end of next week is the absolute latest date the packaging facility gave us on chips, so it's unlikely it would be any longer than that, but hopefully shorter. The fact that they haven't come back to us with any problems at this stage is encouraging and indicates things are running smoothly on their end, as they'd be burning up the phone lines if there was an issue.

 One a slightly related note, I should have the draft of the Monarch communication protocol (detailing how to communicate with it over PCIe and over USB) in the next couple days, which I will post here once I'm satisfied with the draft. At that time, you guys can pick it apart and we'll see about making revision.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/4414-monarch-information.html

[PuertoLibre]

In that first pic I thought it was half bong pipe and half GPU. lulz. I need more coffee!

Give them time and it will be.

Since bongs are now legal in some areas I suppose the excess heat by those ASIC's (in theory) will be powering your latest bong hit.

[LittleD]

It's always gratifying when the trolls only thing they have left to troll about is typos!

its good to know that you take time to read the trolls but it would be nicer if you take time to read your trolls...i mean YOUR "promises".

[southerngentuk]

Will it be possible to use the monarch to distill moonshine? 

[Thom]

It's always gratifying when the trolls only thing they have left to troll about is typos!

the trolls only thing

the trolls

trolls

CUSTOMERS.

ORDER # BFL-037346136 | DATE 11/21/13 | STATUS Processing

[erk]

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/attachments/monarch-discussion/2743d1391008302-2014-jan-27-monarch-discussion-monarch_wirebond.jpg


The Monarch wire bonded test chip.

I like the way it comes in it's own little box.

[LittleD]

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/attachments/monarch-discussion/2743d1391008302-2014-jan-27-monarch-discussion-monarch_wirebond.jpg


The Monarch wire bonded test chip.

I like the way it comes in it's own little box.

The link is not working any more

[erk]

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/attachments/monarch-discussion/2743d1391008302-2014-jan-27-monarch-discussion-monarch_wirebond.jpg


The Monarch wire bonded test chip.

I like the way it comes in it's own little box.

The link is not working any more

How strange I wonder why he blocked that? I did test is after posting here, it's been blocked by BFL mod since.

Here is the thread post with it:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/monarch-discussion/7741-2014-jan-27-monarch-discussion-2.html#post75994

[xstr8guy]

The image is loading fine for me.  Bitcointalk blocks the image from loading.

[LittleD]

The image is loading fine for me.  Bitcointalk blocks the image from loading.



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Thanks for the update

[LittleD]

Inaba thanks for BLOCKING ME... you CANT handle a little customer feed back You delay customers shipments and then you dont bless them with some money or and extra rig. You should learn from Cointerra, at less they are trying to make it up to the customers.

Sorry people unfortunate I wont be able to update you any more :/ 

[tvbcof]

The image is loading fine for me.  Bitcointalk blocks the image from loading.

 - image: https://i.imgur.com/JoJXtig.jpg

Thanks for the update

Looks like some old core memory in a cheap Chinese screwdriver set box.

[bcp19]

Inaba thanks for BLOCKING ME... you CANT handle a little customer feed back You delay customers shipments and then you dont bless them with some money or and extra rig. You should learn from Cointerra, at less they are trying to make it up to the customers.

Sorry people unfortunate I wont be able to update you any more :/ 

Didn't you post this same picture a couple weeks ago with the same complaint?

[Bicknellski]

The image is loading fine for me.  Bitcointalk blocks the image from loading.

 - image: https://i.imgur.com/JoJXtig.jpg

Thanks for the update

Looks like some old core memory in a cheap Chinese screwdriver set box.

Cheap that is definitely a design goal at BFL.

[fractal02]

The image is loading fine for me.  Bitcointalk blocks the image from loading.

 - image: https://i.imgur.com/JoJXtig.jpg

Thanks for the update

Looks like some old core memory in a cheap Chinese screwdriver set box.

Cheap that is definitely a design goal at BFL.

How your PCB design is Mr Bick ?
Because the WASP is just a PCB in fact...still designing for Bitfury chips While others (marto, barntech, etc,etc ) have done this age ago...
What a joke...
Come back when you are able to design even a 110nm chips.

[dropt]

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Oh look, it's this idiot again.

[fractal02]

Inaba thanks for BLOCKING ME... you CANT handle a little customer feed back You delay customers shipments and then you dont bless them with some money or and extra rig. You should learn from Cointerra, at less they are trying to make it up to the customers.

Sorry people unfortunate I wont be able to update you any more :/ 

Didn't you post this same picture a couple weeks ago with the same complaint?

This weirdo post the same thing over and over...
Truly a psychiatric case.

[fractal02]

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This user is currently raging

Sorry Dropt, even the biggest troll i don't ignore....except you, cheers  

[dropt]

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This user is currently ignored.

Sorry Dropt, even the biggest troll i don't ignore....except you, cheers  

Nice try bubs.  If you had me on ignore you wouldn't have seen that I quoted you and edited out your stupidity.  Good to see you're still out there lying.

[LittleD]

A FREEEEE update from your favorite boy:





05 February 2014 Monarch Update

 Most subsystems (State, IO, frequency control, counters, etc) on the chip have been tested and passed. The engine tests are still ongoing. The test software was returning unexpected results which turned out to be a bug in the testing software and has been (and is being) rewritten from scratch, so testing of the engines is taking a little longer than expected. The current estimation is that we should be done testing the chip in the next few days. In the meantime, the packaged chips should be on their way to the testing facility, though I don't yet have tracking numbers or confirmation of this. I will be working on getting that today or tomorrow hopefully.

 Once the packaged chips arrive at the testing facility, they will wire it up to the test harness and start conducting the full power tests to see just how far we might be able to push the chips and what their real world power consumption is.

[Unacceptable]

A FREEEEE update from your favorite boy:





05 February 2014 Monarch Update

 Most subsystems (State, IO, frequency control, counters, etc) on the chip have been tested and passed. The engine tests are still ongoing. The test software was returning unexpected results which turned out to be a bug in the testing software and has been (and is being) rewritten from scratch, so testing of the engines is taking a little longer than expected. The current estimation is that we should be done testing the chip in the next few days. In the meantime, the packaged chips should be on their way to the testing facility, though I don't yet have tracking numbers or confirmation of this. I will be working on getting that today or tomorrow hopefully.

 Once the packaged chips arrive at the testing facility, they will wire it up to the test harness and start conducting the full power tests to see just how far we might be able to push the chips and what their real world power consumption is.

Lets see,600gh @ 350 watts.So,350 x 3=1050 watts    There ya go Josh,I did the math for you !!!!!!!!    Congrats!!! 

Anyone got a bet going yet  

[dropt]

The test software was returning unexpected results which turned out to be a bug in the testing software and has been (and is being) rewritten from scratch.

I'm no Software Engineer, but can some one give me a rating on the scale of 0 - retarded for this here statement?

[dropt]

Lets see,600gh @ 350 watts.So,350 x 3=1050 watts    There ya go Josh,I did the math for you !!!!!!!!    Congrats!!!  

Anyone got a bet going yet  

Probably ~1W/GH like everyone else who's got 28nm tech, or they could shit the bed like they did with the 65nm. 

[jayeeyee]

Did you guys seriously think you could have counted on BFL for shipping on time? SERIOUSLY?! C'mon.. stop kiddin' ya'selves!

When you buy from BFL, you are buying a product that will be out-phased by the time it arrives on your doorstep. (aka: Paper-Weights)

[Xian01]

The test software was returning unexpected results which turned out to be a bug in the testing software and has been (and is being) rewritten from scratch.

I'm no Software Engineer, but can some one give me a rating on the scale of 0 - retarded for this here statement?

 If memory serves, I believe there was a similarly curious statement made back during their 65nm testing days when they recognized they blew their power consumption numbers by at least a factor of two, that resulted in the need to force a redesign of the housing for their entire product line, and the Minirig being broken up into three separate units.

 Remember with the Jalapeno was supposed to be a flat and thin coffee warmer originally ?

 As for a rating, from 0 - retarded, I rate the statement Potato.

[dropt]

If memory serves, I believe there was a similarly curious statement made back during their 65nm testing days when they recognized they blew their power consumption numbers by at least a factor of two, that resulted in the need to force a redesign of the housing for their entire product line, and the Minirig being broken up into three separate units.

 Remember with the Jalapeno was supposed to be a flat and thin coffee warmer originally ?

 As for a rating, from 0 - retarded, I rate the statement Potato.

Powered right from your USB port!  Oh the clusterfuck that ensued when someone noticed a barrel jack on one of their  media/press releases.

[Bicknellski]

so testing of the engines is taking a little longer than expected.

Longer than expected? Really.

we should be done testing the chip in the next few days.

Wait a minute wasn't chop dice package test supposed to be done in 2 weeks? What gives? Been what 4+ weeks now or more.

the packaged chips should be on their way to the testing facility

Should be?

though I don't yet have tracking numbers or confirmation of this.

Does anyone else see the irony in no tracking numbers?

I will be working on getting that today or tomorrow hopefully.

What getting tracking numbers? 1 to 2 days to find out where the chips are?

they will wire it up to the test harness and start conducting the full power tests to see just how far we might be able to push the chips and what their real world power consumption is.

So they have not started testing of the chips in a "test harness"? Oh my and chip production continues? What if there is a problem?

Let us review their original timeline estimates and comments for everyone from the October snapshot:

Tape out August 2013
November / December    Initial Shipping   (Sold out)
January / February    Bulk Shipping

Q When do the 28nm Monarch cards ship?

A We've been in development for approximately six months.  We're now in the final stage of the process which is wafer start at the foundry.  However, we aren't shipping anytime soon.  This is a Pre-Order product, so if you're uncomfortable waiting an indeterminate length of time for the final phase, do NOT pre-order this product.

With that in mind, our current schedule is on track for shippments shipments to begin towards end of year.  

Here are the timeline milestones:

Tapeout (Initialization of wafer production)

Foundry production takes 10 weeks

Bumping, Slicing & BGA packaging takes approximately 2 weeks

Initial shipments begin and ramp up to full capacity over the following 3 weeks

Since this is our 2nd generation ASIC chip, we're largely free of risk from the pitfalls normally associated with a new chip design.  Testing systems, Bumping masks, Substrates & under fill engineering are all carryovers from our proven design so they're complete and ready for high volume production once the wafers are ready.  The importance of this can't be overstated.

Let us review.

August Tape Out was a lie it wasn't completed until December / January? 5 to 6 months late.
Foundry was 20 weeks not 10 weeks.
Bumping Slicing & BGA packaging (testing) was estimated 2 weeks. We are at 4 weeks now and still not tested.
Initial shipments and ramp up to take 3 weeks. Ramp up must include testing of the packaged chips in the Monarch to establish stability. This will take 3 to 4 just on the testing and that is before production can start in earnest.

Ok does anyone see any GLARING omissions in the estimates from the past?

March? April? I suspect Q3 end of summer if you are lucky.


We've been in development for approximately six months. As stated in their October website. So count backwards please with me. October September August July June and May 2013. They have admitted they started development in May 2013. Now let us count forward May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December, January, February.  10 months.

Still no working chips.
Still no working Monarch.
Originally promised to ship in the bulk of orders in 15 weeks from mid October website claim.

November (4 weeks)
December (4 weeks)
January (4 weeks)

Bulk of orders were not shipped on January 16th or abouts... they still do not have working packaged chips.

[LittleD]

Inaba thanks for BLOCKING ME... you CANT handle a little customer feed back You delay customers shipments and then you dont bless them with some money or and extra rig. You should learn from Cointerra, at less they are trying to make it up to the customers.

Sorry people unfortunate I wont be able to update you any more :/ 

Didn't you post this same picture a couple weeks ago with the same complaint?

This weirdo post the same thing over and over...
Truly a psychiatric case.

Thanks for the complement, ill make sure NOT to block you LOL

[tvbcof]

...
Let us review.

August Tape Out was a lie it wasn't completed until December / January? 5 to 6 months late.
Foundry was 20 weeks not 10 weeks.
Bumping Slicing & BGA packaging (testing) was estimated 2 weeks. We are at 4 weeks now and still not tested.
Initial shipments and ramp up to take 3 weeks. Ramp up must include testing of the packaged chips in the Monarch to establish stability. This will take 3 to 4 just on the testing and that is before production can start in earnest.

Ok does anyone see any GLARING omissions in the estimates from the past?

March? April? I suspect Q3 end of summer if you are lucky.


We've been in development for approximately six months. As stated in their October website. So count backwards please with me. October September August July June and May 2013. They have admitted they started development in May 2013. Now let us count forward May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December, January, February.  10 months.

Still no working chips.
Still no working Monarch.
Originally promised to ship in the bulk of orders in 15 weeks from mid October website claim.

November (4 weeks)
December (4 weeks)
January (4 weeks)

Bulk of orders were not shipped on January 16th or abouts... they still do not have working packaged chips.

Man, it works every time, huh?  How disappointing to see suckers getting burnt in exactly the same way yet again.  I guess it makes sense though since it is hard for noobs to get a good picture of history.  I only hope that this latest batch of sucker gets lucky and does OK on yet another unrelated BTC valuation increase.  Or at least those who are among the earlier to finally get their gear...if there even are any this time.

[k9quaint]

...
Let us review.

August Tape Out was a lie it wasn't completed until December / January? 5 to 6 months late.
Foundry was 20 weeks not 10 weeks.
Bumping Slicing & BGA packaging (testing) was estimated 2 weeks. We are at 4 weeks now and still not tested.
Initial shipments and ramp up to take 3 weeks. Ramp up must include testing of the packaged chips in the Monarch to establish stability. This will take 3 to 4 just on the testing and that is before production can start in earnest.

Ok does anyone see any GLARING omissions in the estimates from the past?

March? April? I suspect Q3 end of summer if you are lucky.


We've been in development for approximately six months. As stated in their October website. So count backwards please with me. October September August July June and May 2013. They have admitted they started development in May 2013. Now let us count forward May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December, January, February.  10 months.

Still no working chips.
Still no working Monarch.
Originally promised to ship in the bulk of orders in 15 weeks from mid October website claim.

November (4 weeks)
December (4 weeks)
January (4 weeks)

Bulk of orders were not shipped on January 16th or abouts... they still do not have working packaged chips.

Man, it works every time, huh?  How disappointing to see suckers getting burnt in exactly the same way yet again.  I guess it makes sense though since it is hard for noobs to get a good picture of history.  I only hope that this latest batch of sucker gets lucky and does OK on yet another unrelated BTC valuation increase.  Or at least those who are among the earlier to finally get their gear...if there even are any this time.

Suckers by their very nature tend disappoint those around them. If it wasn't BFL, it would be some mail order scam for $19.95!!!
At least the Bitcoin community is robust enough that parasites like BFL and Silk Road are no longer  existential threats.

[LittleD]

One more FREE pic from your boy Josh/Inabubu ~ hope you all like it!

[YipYip]

The test software was returning unexpected results which turned out to be a bug in the testing software and has been (and is being) rewritten from scratch.

I'm no Software Engineer, but can some one give me a rating on the scale of 0 - retarded for this here statement?

...lolz  "I was testing and was not happy with the results ...so i rewrote the tests so I got the results i wanted"


...seems legit

[dropt]

One more FREE pic from your boy Josh/Inabubu ~ hope you all like it!

Interesting.  I don't see and CL, UL, or FCC markings on that board.  Not that I am trying to kick that old dead horse, just find it interesting that they have been removed since earlier revs.

[tvbcof]

Interesting.  I don't see and CL, UL, or FCC markings on that board.  Not that I am trying to kick that old dead horse, just find it interesting that they have been removed since earlier revs.

Sure would be a shame if someone suspected the device kicked someone's implanted defibrillator and nearly killed them and reported it.  I bet that would get some attention.

[Korbman]

Lol looks like BFL has some direct competition this time around with their PCI cards  

https://cointerra.com/product/gsxi/

Looks like they'll be releasing about the same time as BFL too


CoinTerra's response to BFL's nonsense:

[LittleD]

https://twitter.com/BFL_Josh/status/438764549852758016/photo/1

[LittleD]

More prof that Butterfly Labs is mining with YOUR rigs   wow 


I wonder how many Monarch's are they running right NOW

[LittleD]

Look what the cat dragged in 

[Unacceptable]

Too bad there ain't nothing "under the hood"    Still have a couple moths to go!!!!! 

[Bicknellski]

Too bad there ain't nothing "under the hood"    Still have a couple moths to go!!!!!  

MothLabs? Couple of MOTHS to go.

[Unacceptable]

Too bad there ain't nothing "under the hood"    Still have a couple moths to go!!!!!  

MothLabs? Couple of MOTHS to go.

LMAO!!!! That was a typo,but kinda apropo though 

[kalus]

where did the bong go?

[Bicknellski]

where did the bong go?

Re-purposed for users in Colorado.

[bitcoin_miner]

when deliver?

[Korbman]

when deliver?

Should be about "Two Weeks^TM"

[LittleD]

Here one more for the books! 

[Spotswood]

Here one more for the books!  

  The radiators should be mounted in the front (in order to intake the coolest air).    

Edit:  Hmmmm...are there 6 rads in that case?

[klondike_bar]

Here one more for the books! 

  The radiators should be mounted in the front (in order to intake the coolest air).   

these babies are gonna slide right into my desktop - what do you think, 3 in a mid-sized ATX case? 

[LittleD]

Update from your boy Inabobobobobbobobobo




What you are looking at are plots of performance over a large number of chips. The short version is that at lower voltages, the two chip Monarch & Imperial Monarch operate around .27W/GH @ 400 GH/s and at higher voltages, the Monarch will operate around .55W/GH @ 1 TH/s.

What does that translate to in real world numbers? At our nominal speed for the Monarch, 600 GH/s, power consumption is about .3W/GH at the chip level. We expect it to draw around 235W at the wall. The Monarch can be overclocked to approximately 800 GH/s per chip, or 1.6 TH total per board with specialized cooling. The Imperial Monarch is expected to consume about 550W at the wall at 1 TH/s. The Monarch product line is essentially 3x - 5x more efficient at any comparable hashrate than the competition, which should allow you to run your Monarch for much, much longer than any other bitcoin mining device that exists now or that is even planned for the next generation.

Like our 65nm line, we have the absolute best warranty available, anywhere... We offer this because we know our products are well designed and rock solid. We are still offering a 1 year warranty on our Monarch product line and as such, we are going to be shipping boards we have faith in, so you don't end up with malfunctioning, broken or dead boards on arrival. The Monarch was designed from the start with power efficiency in mind, and is software tunable from very low power consumption at slower speeds to higher power consumption (which is still lower than anyone else) at incredible speeds. As bitcoin prices change and as difficulty climbs, power efficiency will dictate how long you can operate your devices. The Monarch line should continue to be profitable long after every other device costs more to operate than it generates in revenue.

Keep in mind, these numbers are from chip level testing. Full system testing is on going as we speak, so these numbers are still preliminary, but they should be fairly accurate as we have a rather large test sample pool of chips. Once we have a fully armed and operational battlestation Monarch, we will publish the final, confirmed power and hashrate figures.

We are not taking a bit of extra time to make things right lightly... because of the efficiency of the chip and the way it initializes itself, there is a huge current draw on startup, which is necessitating that we add a couple minor components to the board design to facilitate chip initialization. We were not able to test this portion of the board until we had actual functioning chips. These are plentiful parts that we already have in stock and we are having the boards manufactured now. Some of the initial boards will roll off the line at the end of the week with more of them the following week. After the initial boards roll off the line, they will be populated and tested for functionality. Assuming they perform as expected, we will start shipping after all functionality tests are complete.

So when are you shipping? I'm sure that's the question on everyones mind. We plan to begin shipping within the next 10 - 12 days, but that timeline is still in flux as we adjust the board components to best utilize the chips.

 I will provide an update as soon as more information is available.

 Discussion of this update can be found here.

[Zelek Uther]

Where did they get 1.5W/GH for KnCMiner from? Or 1.1 for AntMiner?

My October Jupiter is 1.2W/GH measured at the wall.
My AntMiner S2 is 1.0W/GH measured at the wall.

These are measurements I have made myself from equipment that I own and run.

Is BFL comparing estimated Monarch ASIC chip-level power draw in a low power mode (0.35W/GH), versus an exaggerated total-system draw at the wall for competitors?

Looks impressive on paper, but then I remember my Jalapeño was meant to run solely from a USB port, ie 2.5W, whereas the end product draws 35W (I own one and I measured it myself).

Perhaps we should save the power comparisons until some customers have their units and report back with real world at-the-wall power measurements.

[Gyfts]

Quite nice I must say.

[k9quaint]

Transcript Pages 89-92 of the Probation Hearing against Sonny V. regarding BFL

Q. Okay. And so in both circumstances, of the house and the loan, it was customers' money that went to Mr. Vleisides buying his house that he lives in, and to loan him and other share holders money; right? Because of this prepaid model?

A. It was certainly money that customers deposited, you know, with the company to purchase their products. I'm not entirely sure at which point legal entitlement to the money passes from the customer to the -- to the company. But the -- the money that any company uses, if it's not borrowed or put in by investors comes from its customers. In this case it all came from the customers.

Q. Now, should people who have company credit cards use them for personal expenses?

A. They should not.

Q. All right. And so does that continue on, do you know, by -- by Mr. Vleisides?

A. I -- I will say that it probably has continued.

Q. All right. Are there other employees, in particular Mr. Vleisides' mother, who has a company credit card that makes personal purchases on?

A. There are other company emp -- there are other company employees who -- you know, the only one I've looked at closely is Mr. Vleisides because of this issue. There are other company employees who have company credit cards. I do not know whether Mr. Vleisides' mother has a company credit card.

Right now, Monarchs produce zero hashes per second so their efficiency is undefined.
The question is, will a Monarch actually be produced before Sonny's family spends all the pre-order cash on houses and cars?

Edit: I noted that Josh says they are shipping in 2 weeks... Never gets old. 

[Chopperman]

Edit: I noted that Josh says they are shipping in 2 weeks... Never gets old. 

10-12 days is the new 2 weeks!

I read somewhere that pre-order money cannot be used for day-to-day company expenses, only parts and manufacturing costs for the product that has been pre-purchased.  For a publicly traded company, it needs to go straight into an escrow account and not touched until the product is shipped.   

[LittleD]

Edit: I noted that Josh says they are shipping in 2 weeks... Never gets old. 

10-12 days is the new 2 weeks!

I read somewhere that pre-order money cannot be used for day-to-day company expenses, only parts and manufacturing costs for the product that has been pre-purchased.  For a publicly traded company, it needs to go straight into an escrow account and not touched until the product is shipped.   

You "read"... lol ... please post that article ... you sound pretty sure of this ... you must work at BFL or something

[bobsag3]

Edit: I noted that Josh says they are shipping in 2 weeks... Never gets old. 

10-12 days is the new 2 weeks!

I read somewhere that pre-order money cannot be used for day-to-day company expenses, only parts and manufacturing costs for the product that has been pre-purchased.  For a publicly traded company, it needs to go straight into an escrow account and not touched until the product is shipped.   

BFL is not a publicly traded company.

[Bicknellski]

And when you try and get a refund then have to go to court for compensation these are the excuses this private company is going to use:

Code:

Defendant BF Labs states the following for its affirmative defenses to Plaintiffs’ Complaint:

1. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred as Plaintiffs accepted the terms of their pre-order and
understood that all sales were final and that there was a backlog of orders and production and
delivery of any order may take two months or longer.

2. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because BF Labs “FAQ” website states it reserves
“the right to handle refund requests on a case by case basis” and pre-ordered products are nonrefundable
as is clearly stated at the time of purchase.

3. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because Plaintiffs understood that deliveries may take
two months or more after order.

4. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because Plaintiffs expressly agreed to a pre-order
arrangement, knowing delay would be two months or longer and BF Labs was unable to make
any representation regarding the length of delay.

5. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred as the products in question are designed and
manufactured in accordance with the standards in the industry.

6. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because the products in question underwent burn
testing for a minimal amount of time and had not be assigned to a customer order at the time of
the burn testing.

7. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because untested products are not finished goods and
could not be customers’ equipment.

8. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred pursuant to K.S.A. 84-2-501, in that the products in
question were not identified in any contract at the time of the pre-order.

9. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because burn testing was done to warrant the product
as fit and suitable for the purposes for which it is sold.

10. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred because BF Labs exercised reasonable care to prevent
and promptly correct any delays that Plaintiffs complains of.

11. Plaintiffs’ alleged damages request cannot be sustained as unconscionable.

12. Each and every claim contained in Plaintiffs’ Complaint fails to state a claim upon
which relief can be granted.

13. Plaintiffs’ claims for damages are barred in whole or in part because Plaintiffs
have suffered no damages.

14. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred in whole or in part based on the doctrine of election
of remedies.

15. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by reason of Plaintiffs’ breaches or failures to perform
conditions precedent or subsequent.

16. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred for the reason that any actions or inactions of BF
Labs were economically justified.

17. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by reason of Plaintiffs’ unclean hands.

18. Plaintiffs’ alleged damages, which are denied, were caused by intervening and
superseding acts over which BF Labs had no control or right of control, thereby barring or
diminishing Plaintiffs’ alleged right of recovery.

19. The damages claimed by Plaintiffs are not recoverable, in whole or in part, under
Kansas or federal law.

20. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by a prior settlement and/or release of those claims or
are barred to the extent Plaintiffs have entered into an accord and satisfaction or otherwise
compromised their claims.

21. In further answer to Plaintiffs’ Complaint and by way of Affirmative Defense,
Defendant adopts all Affirmative Defenses available to it under the Kansas Uniform Commercial
Code or any other Uniform Commercial Code enacted by a state whose substantive law controls
in this action.

22. Defendant’s actions were neither the cause in fact nor the proximate cause of
Plaintiffs’ injuries, if any.

23. Defendant is entitled to the benefit of all defenses and presumptions contained in,
or arising from, any product liability act and/or Kansas Uniform Commercial Code.

24. The alleged damages sustained by Plaintiffs were the result of Plaintiffs’ own
comparative fault or any other “fault” pursuant to K.S.A. 60-258a and, accordingly, Plaintiffs are
barred from recovery or limited in their recovery.

25. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, by the equitable doctrines of
waiver and estoppel.

26. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of justification.

27. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, by the doctrine of ratification.

28. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by all applicable statutes of limitation.

29. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred, in whole or in part, pursuant to First Amendment of
the United States Constitution and similar applicable state constitutional provisions.

30. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of spoliation and the failure to
properly preserve evidence necessary to the proper and just determination of this action.

31. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred to the extent Plaintiffs entered into an accord and
satisfaction or otherwise compromised their claims.

32. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrines of repudiation and anticipatory
breach.

33. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred to the extent Plaintiffs prevented BF Labs from
performing.

34. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred based on Plaintiffs’ rejection of goods, as well as
Plaintiffs’ revocation of acceptance of goods.

35. Plaintiffs’ claims are barred by the doctrine of mistake.

36. Plaintiffs have failed to mitigate their damages, if any, or otherwise take
reasonable steps to minimize or prevent the damages Plaintiffs claims to have suffered. Plaintiffs
also, once they realized a claim existed, were under an obligation to minimize their alleged loss,
if any. As a result, any recovery against Defendant should be barred, reduced, or offset
accordingly.

37. Plaintiffs’ damages should be reduced as an offset by any amount received by any
other payment to mitigate damages.

[k9quaint]

I read somewhere that pre-order money cannot be used for day-to-day company expenses, only parts and manufacturing costs for the product that has been pre-purchased.  For a publicly traded company, it needs to go straight into an escrow account and not touched until the product is shipped.   

Pre-orders cannot be declared as income. They recorded as deferred revenue (by real companies, not BFL).

Generally accepted accounting principles require you to record income when you deliver the merchandise or provide the services. You must also either receive payment or have a reasonable expectation that you will receive payment. The reasoning behind the concept of deferred revenue is that you have not yet earned the income, and until you have, you have a potential liability because you will have to refund the money if you do not ship the order or provide the service.
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/deferred-revenue-vs-promise-pay-34293.html

Advance payments or unearned revenue, recorded on the recipient's balance sheet as a liability, until the services have been rendered or products have been delivered. Deferred revenue is a liability because it refers to revenue that has not yet been earned, but represents products or services that are owed to the customer. As the product or service is delivered over time, it is recognized as revenue on the income statement.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/deferredrevenue.asp

BFL took their customer's money and bought houses and cars for friends and family of Sonny V. That is not GAAP. 

[bcp19]

I read somewhere that pre-order money cannot be used for day-to-day company expenses, only parts and manufacturing costs for the product that has been pre-purchased.  For a publicly traded company, it needs to go straight into an escrow account and not touched until the product is shipped.   

Pre-orders cannot be declared as income. They recorded as deferred revenue (by real companies, not BFL).

Generally accepted accounting principles require you to record income when you deliver the merchandise or provide the services. You must also either receive payment or have a reasonable expectation that you will receive payment. The reasoning behind the concept of deferred revenue is that you have not yet earned the income, and until you have, you have a potential liability because you will have to refund the money if you do not ship the order or provide the service.
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/deferred-revenue-vs-promise-pay-34293.html

Advance payments or unearned revenue, recorded on the recipient's balance sheet as a liability, until the services have been rendered or products have been delivered. Deferred revenue is a liability because it refers to revenue that has not yet been earned, but represents products or services that are owed to the customer. As the product or service is delivered over time, it is recognized as revenue on the income statement.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/deferredrevenue.asp

BFL took their customer's money and bought houses and cars for friends and family of Sonny V. That is not GAAP. 

Wow, you are correct, pre-orders, as stated by the accountant on the stand in the hearing, are a LIABILITY.  HOWEVER, at the point in time that the  house was bought, BFL had a TRUE revenue of $2.5million, of which there had to be some profit.  Just because some of that profit was used in a matter you don't like means nothing, as they can use their profit any way they like.  You are like JackRabbit, twisting things to fit into your demented mental picture that has nothing to do with actual reality.

[Collider]

While all the BFL posters of their systems look quite nice, i wont believe their efficiency stats until they provide proof of a hashing unit.

Also, with the Monarch at supposedly 0,39W/GH at chip level in normal mode, you will not get a better efficiency than 0,479W/GH at the wall.

On top of that, it remains to be seen how well (and easily) these units can be cooled, and i have my doubts about the density in which these can be deployed.

However, as chip design isn´t handled directly by BFL but outsourced to a chip desing house, it could be possible that they have produced / are producing an efficient product.

0,33W/GH at 28nm is entirely possible with a good chip design.


Lets see wether it will take BFL another 2 months or more to "ramp up" their production, until atleast some customers receive their product.

[k9quaint]

HOWEVER, at the point in time that the  house was bought, BFL had a TRUE revenue of $2.5million, of which there had to be some profit. 

Why does there "have to be profit"? From BFL's own chief financial officer while testifying under oath:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190031/2014-01-28-USA-v-Vleisides-Transcript

In terms of revenue, in 2012 the company did about $2 and a half million of revenue

I direct your attention that in the financial statement it was stated in 2012 there is a loss of approximately $139,000, whereas on the tax return it's $836,000.

BFL themselves said there was no profit. Their tax returns said they lost $839,000. Their financial statements said they lost $139,000. Yet they bought houses and cars with pre-order money when they knew they wouldn't be shipping product any time soon and they knew there were no profits.

It is very telling that you quote the revenue figure from the  USA v Vleisides 2014 transcript but leave out the part where there was no profit. Talk about cherry picking the data.

[Bicknellski]

HOWEVER, at the point in time that the  house was bought, BFL had a TRUE revenue of $2.5million, of which there had to be some profit. 

Why does there "have to be profit"? From BFL's own chief financial officer while testifying under oath:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190031/2014-01-28-USA-v-Vleisides-Transcript

In terms of revenue, in 2012 the company did about $2 and a half million of revenue

I direct your attention that in the financial statement it was stated in 2012 there is a loss of approximately $139,000, whereas on the tax return it's $836,000.

BFL themselves said there was no profit. Their tax returns said they lost $839,000. Their financial statements said they lost $139,000. Yet they bought houses and cars with pre-order money when they knew they wouldn't be shipping product any time soon and they knew there were no profits.

It is very telling that you quote the revenue figure from the  USA v Vleisides 2014 transcript but leave out the part where there was no profit. Talk about cherry picking the data.

Getting much harder for BFL to lie openly here and even harder for BCP to actually come across as truthful. There is a level of ignorance that goes beyond just being unaware. He is purposefully misleading people for some sort of gain it is painfully obvious at this point. Guy can't find the truth let alone tell it.

[bcp19]

HOWEVER, at the point in time that the  house was bought, BFL had a TRUE revenue of $2.5million, of which there had to be some profit. 

Why does there "have to be profit"? From BFL's own chief financial officer while testifying under oath:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190031/2014-01-28-USA-v-Vleisides-Transcript

In terms of revenue, in 2012 the company did about $2 and a half million of revenue

I direct your attention that in the financial statement it was stated in 2012 there is a loss of approximately $139,000, whereas on the tax return it's $836,000.

BFL themselves said there was no profit. Their tax returns said they lost $839,000. Their financial statements said they lost $139,000. Yet they bought houses and cars with pre-order money when they knew they wouldn't be shipping product any time soon and they knew there were no profits.

It is very telling that you quote the revenue figure from the  USA v Vleisides 2014 transcript but leave out the part where there was no profit. Talk about cherry picking the data.

I love telling you how stupid you are.  Just because they can show a loss does not mean they had no profit from the sales of the FPGAs.  If you cannot understand how businesses work, then I am not going to waste my time educating you.  But trust me, you are stupid. (so is Bick)

[k9quaint]

HOWEVER, at the point in time that the  house was bought, BFL had a TRUE revenue of $2.5million, of which there had to be some profit. 

Why does there "have to be profit"? From BFL's own chief financial officer while testifying under oath:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190031/2014-01-28-USA-v-Vleisides-Transcript

In terms of revenue, in 2012 the company did about $2 and a half million of revenue

I direct your attention that in the financial statement it was stated in 2012 there is a loss of approximately $139,000, whereas on the tax return it's $836,000.

BFL themselves said there was no profit. Their tax returns said they lost $839,000. Their financial statements said they lost $139,000. Yet they bought houses and cars with pre-order money when they knew they wouldn't be shipping product any time soon and they knew there were no profits.

It is very telling that you quote the revenue figure from the  USA v Vleisides 2014 transcript but leave out the part where there was no profit. Talk about cherry picking the data.

I love telling you how stupid you are.  Just because they can show a loss does not mean they had no profit from the sales of the FPGAs.  If you cannot understand how businesses work, then I am not going to waste my time educating you.  But trust me, you are stupid. (so is Bick)

Clearly, you do not understand the difference between profit and cash flow. BFL's CFO declared on the record there was no profit, only revenue. You claimed there were profits because there were revenue. That makes you the stupid one. If you would stop making random comments while trying to white knight, we wouldn't have to educate you on the meaning of words.

Obviously BFL has engaged in creative accounting to funnel money out of the company in the form of loans. They would want to show the smallest possible loss on their financial statements because that affects their ability to do business via credit lines, bank accounts, leases, purchase order terms, etc. On the other hand, on their tax returns they would want to show the largest possible loss. So the rosiest scenario has BFL only losing $139K and the worst case scenario has them losing as much as $839K.

As for BFL's cash flow, the money flowed from their customers wallets and into houses and cars for the defendants. Nobody (except you, and you are something of a nobody around here) disputes that.

This case is closed. All that is left is for you to spew nonsense at the cameras on the courthouse steps. Sadly for your benefactors at BFL, their legal troubles are just beginning and everyone around here (except you again, since you are a nobody) will enjoy watching them slow roast in the fires of our courts. Every minute, someone's refund gets turned into a loan for Sonny V and friends or goes to pay BFL's lawyers to extend the carnival ride for as long as possible.  You had better get cracking on that refund. 

[bcp19]

HOWEVER, at the point in time that the  house was bought, BFL had a TRUE revenue of $2.5million, of which there had to be some profit. 

Why does there "have to be profit"? From BFL's own chief financial officer while testifying under oath:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190031/2014-01-28-USA-v-Vleisides-Transcript

In terms of revenue, in 2012 the company did about $2 and a half million of revenue

I direct your attention that in the financial statement it was stated in 2012 there is a loss of approximately $139,000, whereas on the tax return it's $836,000.

BFL themselves said there was no profit. Their tax returns said they lost $839,000. Their financial statements said they lost $139,000. Yet they bought houses and cars with pre-order money when they knew they wouldn't be shipping product any time soon and they knew there were no profits.

It is very telling that you quote the revenue figure from the  USA v Vleisides 2014 transcript but leave out the part where there was no profit. Talk about cherry picking the data.

I love telling you how stupid you are.  Just because they can show a loss does not mean they had no profit from the sales of the FPGAs.  If you cannot understand how businesses work, then I am not going to waste my time educating you.  But trust me, you are stupid. (so is Bick)

Clearly, you do not understand the difference between profit and cash flow. BFL's CFO declared on the record there was no profit, only revenue. You claimed there were profits because there were revenue. That makes you the stupid one. If you would stop making random comments while trying to white knight, we wouldn't have to educate you on the meaning of words.

Obviously BFL has engaged in creative accounting to funnel money out of the company in the form of loans. They would want to show the smallest possible loss on their financial statements because that affects their ability to do business via credit lines, bank accounts, leases, purchase order terms, etc. On the other hand, on their tax returns they would want to show the largest possible loss. So the rosiest scenario has BFL only losing $139K and the worst case scenario has them losing as much as $839K.

As for BFL's cash flow, the money flowed from their customers wallets and into houses and cars for the defendants. Nobody (except you, and you are something of a nobody around here) disputes that.

This case is closed. All that is left is for you to spew nonsense at the cameras on the courthouse steps. Sadly for your benefactors at BFL, their legal troubles are just beginning and everyone around here (except you again, since you are a nobody) will enjoy watching them slow roast in the fires of our courts. Every minute, someone's refund gets turned into a loan for Sonny V and friends or goes to pay BFL's lawyers to extend the carnival ride for as long as possible.  You had better get cracking on that refund. 

You are so stupid it hurts to read what spews out of your mouth.  As to the highlighted comment above, HUH?  Why would I be at a courthouse?  Are you insane as well as stupid?  How do I become involved in this? 

[k9quaint]

HOWEVER, at the point in time that the  house was bought, BFL had a TRUE revenue of $2.5million, of which there had to be some profit. 

Why does there "have to be profit"? From BFL's own chief financial officer while testifying under oath:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190031/2014-01-28-USA-v-Vleisides-Transcript

In terms of revenue, in 2012 the company did about $2 and a half million of revenue

I direct your attention that in the financial statement it was stated in 2012 there is a loss of approximately $139,000, whereas on the tax return it's $836,000.

BFL themselves said there was no profit. Their tax returns said they lost $839,000. Their financial statements said they lost $139,000. Yet they bought houses and cars with pre-order money when they knew they wouldn't be shipping product any time soon and they knew there were no profits.

It is very telling that you quote the revenue figure from the  USA v Vleisides 2014 transcript but leave out the part where there was no profit. Talk about cherry picking the data.

I love telling you how stupid you are.  Just because they can show a loss does not mean they had no profit from the sales of the FPGAs.  If you cannot understand how businesses work, then I am not going to waste my time educating you.  But trust me, you are stupid. (so is Bick)

Clearly, you do not understand the difference between profit and cash flow. BFL's CFO declared on the record there was no profit, only revenue. You claimed there were profits because there were revenue. That makes you the stupid one. If you would stop making random comments while trying to white knight, we wouldn't have to educate you on the meaning of words.

Obviously BFL has engaged in creative accounting to funnel money out of the company in the form of loans. They would want to show the smallest possible loss on their financial statements because that affects their ability to do business via credit lines, bank accounts, leases, purchase order terms, etc. On the other hand, on their tax returns they would want to show the largest possible loss. So the rosiest scenario has BFL only losing $139K and the worst case scenario has them losing as much as $839K.

As for BFL's cash flow, the money flowed from their customers wallets and into houses and cars for the defendants. Nobody (except you, and you are something of a nobody around here) disputes that.

This case is closed. All that is left is for you to spew nonsense at the cameras on the courthouse steps. Sadly for your benefactors at BFL, their legal troubles are just beginning and everyone around here (except you again, since you are a nobody) will enjoy watching them slow roast in the fires of our courts. Every minute, someone's refund gets turned into a loan for Sonny V and friends or goes to pay BFL's lawyers to extend the carnival ride for as long as possible.  You had better get cracking on that refund. 

You are so stupid it hurts to read what spews out of your mouth.  As to the highlighted comment above, HUH?  Why would I be at a courthouse?  Are you insane as well as stupid?  How do I become involved in this? 

al·le·go·ry
ˈaləˌgôrē
noun
a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.
"Pilgrim's Progress is an allegory of the spiritual journey"
synonyms: parable, analogy, metaphor, symbol, emblem More a symbol.

Again with your nonsense and total lack of understanding. I feel we are doomed to post here explaining the meaning the words to you until time stands still or BFL delivers the monarch, which ever happens first.

Given that you don't understand what profit is, it is clear now why you bought from BFL in the first place. 
You deserve props for turning your losing bet with BFL into a lucrative consulting job misleading folks on these forums (and probably others as well).

[bcp19]

al·le·go·ry
ˈaləˌgôrē
noun
a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.
"Pilgrim's Progress is an allegory of the spiritual journey"
synonyms: parable, analogy, metaphor, symbol, emblem More a symbol.

Again with your nonsense and total lack of understanding. I feel we are doomed to post here explaining the meaning the words to you until time stands still or BFL delivers the monarch, which ever happens first.

Given that you don't understand what profit is, it is clear now why you bought from BFL in the first place. 
You deserve props for turning your losing bet with BFL into a lucrative consulting job misleading folks on these forums (and probably others as well).

I understand quite well, it's just that you parse multiple things together into an incomprehensible montage that would even leave Picasso scratching his head.

First off, I was an electronics technician in the Navy, not an electrical engineer.  That means I specialize in testing and troubleshoot electronic equipment, not the creation of specialized chips and PCB boards..  Why would I be a paid consultant if all I know how to do is test and troubleshoot and as I mentioned in the other post, I'm sitting in a chair in Iowa right now, so long distance consulting on how to test things?  Wow.  I wish your fantasies were true.

Since I don't understand what profit is, I guess the simple fact that I started out roughly a year ago with 6 GPUs and some electricity and between then and now I have purchased less than 1BTC with USD out of my pocket, purchased a 5GH Jalapeno for $308 and ordered a 300GH Monarch for 2.03BTC from BFL.  Along the way I was given a 24GH little single and have picked up a few other things.  If I were to total everything I currently own AND have on preorder, I have spent less than 10BTC if I had made all of my purchases in BTC at the time of acquiring them.  At current market rates, if I were to convert every crypto coin I own to BTC, I currently am worth over 110BTC.  Guess I really don't understand profit.

The funny thing here is that you keep slinging mud in the hopes it will stick, and as yet you've failed.  First I am a shill, then I am doing a bad job as a shill, now I'm a paid consultant.  What's next, going to promote me to stockholder?  Maybe even give me Josh's job?  Heck, maybe you even think *I* own the company. 

[solarion]

You lost this argument kool-aid man. Gracefully concede.

[markj113]

al·le·go·ry
ˈaləˌgôrē
noun
a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.
"Pilgrim's Progress is an allegory of the spiritual journey"
synonyms: parable, analogy, metaphor, symbol, emblem More a symbol.

Again with your nonsense and total lack of understanding. I feel we are doomed to post here explaining the meaning the words to you until time stands still or BFL delivers the monarch, which ever happens first.

Given that you don't understand what profit is, it is clear now why you bought from BFL in the first place. 
You deserve props for turning your losing bet with BFL into a lucrative consulting job misleading folks on these forums (and probably others as well).

I understand quite well, it's just that you parse multiple things together into an incomprehensible montage that would even leave Picasso scratching his head.

First off, I was an electronics technician in the Navy, not an electrical engineer.  That means I specialize in testing and troubleshoot electronic equipment, not the creation of specialized chips and PCB boards..  Why would I be a paid consultant if all I know how to do is test and troubleshoot and as I mentioned in the other post, I'm sitting in a chair in Iowa right now, so long distance consulting on how to test things?  Wow.  I wish your fantasies were true.

Since I don't understand what profit is, I guess the simple fact that I started out roughly a year ago with 6 GPUs and some electricity and between then and now I have purchased less than 1BTC with USD out of my pocket, purchased a 5GH Jalapeno for $308 and ordered a 300GH Monarch for 2.03BTC from BFL.  Along the way I was given a 24GH little single and have picked up a few other things.  If I were to total everything I currently own AND have on preorder, I have spent less than 10BTC if I had made all of my purchases in BTC at the time of acquiring them.  At current market rates, if I were to convert every crypto coin I own to BTC, I currently am worth over 110BTC.  Guess I really don't understand profit.

The funny thing here is that you keep slinging mud in the hopes it will stick, and as yet you've failed.  First I am a shill, then I am doing a bad job as a shill, now I'm a paid consultant.  What's next, going to promote me to stockholder?  Maybe even give me Josh's job?  Heck, maybe you even think *I* own the company. 

bcp19 & BFL Josh   -

[bcp19]

You lost this argument K9. Gracefully concede.

FTFY

[k9quaint]

al·le·go·ry
ˈaləˌgôrē
noun
a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.
"Pilgrim's Progress is an allegory of the spiritual journey"
synonyms: parable, analogy, metaphor, symbol, emblem More a symbol.

Again with your nonsense and total lack of understanding. I feel we are doomed to post here explaining the meaning the words to you until time stands still or BFL delivers the monarch, which ever happens first.

Given that you don't understand what profit is, it is clear now why you bought from BFL in the first place. 
You deserve props for turning your losing bet with BFL into a lucrative consulting job misleading folks on these forums (and probably others as well).

I understand quite well, it's just that you parse multiple things together into an incomprehensible montage that would even leave Picasso scratching his head.

First you say you understand quite well then you say it is an incomprehensible montage. I don't think you know what those words mean given how you used them together in a sentence.

First off, I was an electronics technician in the Navy, not an electrical engineer.

I don't think that anyone here believes you have the faintest idea what electrical engineering is. No need to reiterate that point.

Since I don't understand what profit is, I guess the simple fact that I started out roughly a year ago with 6 GPUs and some electricity and between then and now I have purchased less than 1BTC with USD out of my pocket, purchased a 5GH Jalapeno for $308 and ordered a 300GH Monarch for 2.03BTC from BFL.  Along the way I was given a 24GH little single and have picked up a few other things.  If I were to total everything I currently own AND have on preorder, I have spent less than 10BTC if I had made all of my purchases in BTC at the time of acquiring them.  At current market rates, if I were to convert every crypto coin I own to BTC, I currently am worth over 110BTC.  Guess I really don't understand profit.

So, you invested in other cryptocoins and made money. Somehow if you convert that money to BTC, it makes BFL a profitable investment.
In reality, the only profit you made relating to BFL is the mining equipment they gave you in return for insulting folks on these forums from your chair in Iowa.

First I am a shill, then I am doing a bad job as a shill, now I'm a paid consultant. 

Being a shill, being a bad shill and being paid are not mutually exclusive. Being a shill implies you are being or have been compensated (I already linked the definition of shill which you did not read or did not understand). It is clear from the lawsuits and -9000 trust rating for BFL on these forums that you are doing a bad job. You have admitted many times to receiving mining equipment from BFL in exchange for proselytizing your review of their operations.

[bcp19]

Being a shill, being a bad shill and being paid are not mutually exclusive. Being a shill implies you are being or have been compensated (I already linked the definition of shill which you did not read or did not understand). It is clear from the lawsuits and -9000 trust rating for BFL on these forums that you are doing a bad job. You have admitted many times to receiving mining equipment from BFL in exchange for proselytizing your review of their operations.

Really?  You're equating BFL to a religion and claim that I'm trying to convert people to it?  Wow.

There is only 1 part of the definition of shill that applies to me, and that is "they have a close relationship with the person or organization".  Since I am a customer of theirs, this has to be true (at least in the eyes of the trolls, ANYONE who has purchased from BFL and posted here has been labeled a shill).  But I have never hidden the fact that I am a customer, so therefore the full statement "is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization" is false.  I am not a shill.

As to the trust rating, that just goes to show how sad the trolls here are.  The whole point of that contest was to show the weakness of the trust system, and WHO was the first to jump on board?  The trolls.  Mar 30th the contest was whined about on here and that very same day the trolls jumped at the chance to post negative trust over and over and over again.  ANYONE who 'entered' the contest received negative trust ratings as well.  The trolls are going out of their way to prove the system is broken, which it is.  And since it is broken, then it means nothing other than the fact that a few people can cheat the system.  Hundreds of fake trust rating have been made in the last month and all it does is show that it's broken and abused.  Congrats guys, you made the trust system worthless and are patting yourselves on the back over it.

[Korbman]

[...]

Since I don't understand what profit is, I guess the simple fact that I started out roughly a year ago with 6 GPUs and some electricity and between then and now I have purchased less than 1BTC with USD out of my pocket, purchased a 5GH Jalapeno for $308 and ordered a 300GH Monarch for 2.03BTC from BFL.  Along the way I was given a 24GH little single and have picked up a few other things.  If I were to total everything I currently own AND have on preorder, I have spent less than 10BTC if I had made all of my purchases in BTC at the time of acquiring them.  At current market rates, if I were to convert every crypto coin I own to BTC, I currently am worth over 110BTC.  Guess I really don't understand profit.

[...]

Even if your [unverifiable] wealth is true, there's no possible way that you were able to earn it using any of the BFL equipment you've mentioned so far. At first I was going to call 100% bullshit, especially since you started last year, but then you were sure to include that second to last sentence. Congrats on your investments in things other than mining equipment

Anyone can flip a 10x profit by trading altcoins if they time it right (or lose just as much) and as an early adopter of Litecoin, I can attest.

Mining, however, is a far more challenging game altogether. As far as I know, no Butterfly Labs mining equipment that was purchased solely using Bitcoin has ever made a profit in Bitcoin (e.g. spending BTC10 and earning BTC11).

[bcp19]

[...]

Since I don't understand what profit is, I guess the simple fact that I started out roughly a year ago with 6 GPUs and some electricity and between then and now I have purchased less than 1BTC with USD out of my pocket, purchased a 5GH Jalapeno for $308 and ordered a 300GH Monarch for 2.03BTC from BFL.  Along the way I was given a 24GH little single and have picked up a few other things.  If I were to total everything I currently own AND have on preorder, I have spent less than 10BTC if I had made all of my purchases in BTC at the time of acquiring them.  At current market rates, if I were to convert every crypto coin I own to BTC, I currently am worth over 110BTC.  Guess I really don't understand profit.

[...]

Even if your [unverifiable] wealth is true, there's no possible way that you were able to earn it using any of the BFL equipment you've mentioned so far. At first I was going to call 100% bullshit, especially since you started last year, but then you were sure to include that second to last sentence. Congrats on your investments in things other than mining equipment

Anyone can flip a 10x profit by trading altcoins if they time it right (or lose just as much) and as an early adopter of Litecoin, I can attest.

Mining, however, is a far more challenging game altogether. As far as I know, no Butterfly Labs mining equipment that was purchased solely using Bitcoin has ever made a profit in Bitcoin (e.g. spending BTC10 and earning BTC11).

You are correct, I did not mine all of the BTC I own, I am fairly accomplished at investing and trading however and have had my share of good and bad luck.  As to being verifiable, I could very easily verify it, but I would have to take a loss in order to do so and then another loss to get back into what I hold.  Not worth it to me just to satisfy someone's disbelief.

As to your last statement, is that true of the FPGAs?  Regardless, doesn't that apply to the majority of ASIC mining equipment ever sold?

[solarion]

As to your last statement, is that true of the FPGAs?  Regardless, doesn't that apply to the majority of ASIC mining equipment ever sold?

I believe so. Interestingly bfl was first to announce an asic product and could have set themselves apart from all the other vendors in this regard, but several production errors in 2012 & 2013 put them behind avalon. The first couple of avalon batches then went on to become extremely profitable for those who took the risk. Those easily made a positive roi for their owners. Bitfury has had products that have done this and more recenty bitmain has done the same. 

[YipYip]

HOWEVER, at the point in time that the  house was bought, BFL had a TRUE revenue of $2.5million, of which there had to be some profit. 

Why does there "have to be profit"? From BFL's own chief financial officer while testifying under oath:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190031/2014-01-28-USA-v-Vleisides-Transcript

In terms of revenue, in 2012 the company did about $2 and a half million of revenue

I direct your attention that in the financial statement it was stated in 2012 there is a loss of approximately $139,000, whereas on the tax return it's $836,000.

BFL themselves said there was no profit. Their tax returns said they lost $839,000. Their financial statements said they lost $139,000. Yet they bought houses and cars with pre-order money when they knew they wouldn't be shipping product any time soon and they knew there were no profits.

It is very telling that you quote the revenue figure from the  USA v Vleisides 2014 transcript but leave out the part where there was no profit. Talk about cherry picking the data.

Getting much harder for BFL to lie openly here and even harder for BCP to actually come across as truthful. There is a level of ignorance that goes beyond just being unaware. He is purposefully misleading people for some sort of gain it is painfully obvious at this point. Guy can't find the truth let alone tell it.

I really think  what started out as a trolling session by "THE MORON"  as he has got some issues ..has now morphed into being a party to the SCAM

He is a cunt of a human being and i hope life gives back the pain and suffering that he has helped perpetrate upon BFL's customers

It was a joke ...not so much any more ..by the way when u are convicted its lifes & society's way of saying "NO YOU ARE WRONG and or LYING"

[k9quaint]

Being a shill, being a bad shill and being paid are not mutually exclusive. Being a shill implies you are being or have been compensated (I already linked the definition of shill which you did not read or did not understand). It is clear from the lawsuits and -9000 trust rating for BFL on these forums that you are doing a bad job. You have admitted many times to receiving mining equipment from BFL in exchange for proselytizing your review of their operations.

Really?  You're equating BFL to a religion and claim that I'm trying to convert people to it?  Wow.

No. But yet again you fail to understand the meaning of a word.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=proselytize
pros·e·lyt·ize
ˈpräsələˌtīz
verb
convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another.

There is only 1 part of the definition of shill that applies to me, and that is "they have a close relationship with the person or organization". 

The part where you were given a 25GH/s Single by BFL for free in return for your positive review of their operations. You were not the first person they gave mining equipment to in return for misleading information posted on these forums.

As to the trust rating, that just goes to show how sad the trolls here are.  The whole point of that contest was to show the weakness of the trust system, and WHO was the first to jump on board?  The trolls.  Mar 30th the contest was whined about on here and that very same day the trolls jumped at the chance to post negative trust over and over and over again.  ANYONE who 'entered' the contest received negative trust ratings as well.  The trolls are going out of their way to prove the system is broken, which it is.  And since it is broken, then it means nothing other than the fact that a few people can cheat the system.  Hundreds of fake trust rating have been made in the last month and all it does is show that it's broken and abused.  Congrats guys, you made the trust system worthless and are patting yourselves on the back over it.

If the trust rating can be so easily manipulated, then why doesn't BFL have +9000? I guess that is the part where you are not doing your job.

In other news, Bitcoin difficulty is at 8,000,000 and you still don't have your monarch. Close race, who will win?

[Bicknellski]

Being a shill, being a bad shill and being paid are not mutually exclusive. Being a shill implies you are being or have been compensated (I already linked the definition of shill which you did not read or did not understand). It is clear from the lawsuits and -9000 trust rating for BFL on these forums that you are doing a bad job. You have admitted many times to receiving mining equipment from BFL in exchange for proselytizing your review of their operations.

Really?  You're equating BFL to a religion and claim that I'm trying to convert people to it?  Wow.

No. But yet again you fail to understand the meaning of a word.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=proselytize
pros·e·lyt·ize
ˈpräsələˌtīz
verb
convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another.

There is only 1 part of the definition of shill that applies to me, and that is "they have a close relationship with the person or organization".  

The part where you were given a 25GH/s Single by BFL for free in return for your positive review of their operations. You were not the first person they gave mining equipment to in return for misleading information posted on these forums.

As to the trust rating, that just goes to show how sad the trolls here are.  The whole point of that contest was to show the weakness of the trust system, and WHO was the first to jump on board?  The trolls.  Mar 30th the contest was whined about on here and that very same day the trolls jumped at the chance to post negative trust over and over and over again.  ANYONE who 'entered' the contest received negative trust ratings as well.  The trolls are going out of their way to prove the system is broken, which it is.  And since it is broken, then it means nothing other than the fact that a few people can cheat the system.  Hundreds of fake trust rating have been made in the last month and all it does is show that it's broken and abused.  Congrats guys, you made the trust system worthless and are patting yourselves on the back over it.

If the trust rating can be so easily manipulated, then why doesn't BFL have +9000? I guess that is the part where you are not doing your job.

In other news, Bitcoin difficulty is at 8,000,000 and you still don't have your monarch. Close race, who will win?

Take the time to give BCP some negative love. That is how the trust ratings work. BCP is a willing participant in BFL crimes against the community. He should be labelled as such in his trust ratings. bcp19 Give him the rating he deserves. BFL SHILL.

The trust ratings worked fine until Inaba in his infinite logic tried to prove how they were BROKEN by buying others trust with the BFL contest. It is only poetic justice that BFL gets -9000 for that effort. What was wrong with the trust rating is that BFL didn't have -9000 last year. If anything Inaba's gambit balanced out the system properly.

[kingscrown]

not buying this

[Zelek Uther]

Here is a capture from BFL website in August 2013 showing “initial shipping” of Monarchs in November/December 2013 (red underlines added):



You can see the above page for yourself here in the Wayback Machine Internet Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20130831125627/http://www.butterflylabs.com/monarch

Considering the statements above underlined in red, let's track the actual shipping progress:
November 2013
December 2013
January 2014
February 2014
March 2014
April 2014
May 2014?

[klintay]

BFL will be declaring bankruptcy proceedings next you watch...

1 x 0.1 btc bet going anyone's way that they will be in the process or starting bankruptcy proceedings within the next 6 months

Just because of all the legal / criminal cases they will be dealing with...this time around that fag Josh will be spending some months behind bars. Maybe his uncle can introduce him to all the pleasures of anal bum sex  


EDIT: Is Josh the one with the mail fraud rap sheet? I forget... they are all C_U_N_T_S in my book so...

[bcp19]

Being a shill, being a bad shill and being paid are not mutually exclusive. Being a shill implies you are being or have been compensated (I already linked the definition of shill which you did not read or did not understand). It is clear from the lawsuits and -9000 trust rating for BFL on these forums that you are doing a bad job. You have admitted many times to receiving mining equipment from BFL in exchange for proselytizing your review of their operations.

Really?  You're equating BFL to a religion and claim that I'm trying to convert people to it?  Wow.

No. But yet again you fail to understand the meaning of a word.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=proselytize
pros·e·lyt·ize
ˈpräsələˌtīz
verb
convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another.

There is only 1 part of the definition of shill that applies to me, and that is "they have a close relationship with the person or organization". 

The part where you were given a 25GH/s Single by BFL for free in return for your positive review of their operations. You were not the first person they gave mining equipment to in return for misleading information posted on these forums.

As to the trust rating, that just goes to show how sad the trolls here are.  The whole point of that contest was to show the weakness of the trust system, and WHO was the first to jump on board?  The trolls.  Mar 30th the contest was whined about on here and that very same day the trolls jumped at the chance to post negative trust over and over and over again.  ANYONE who 'entered' the contest received negative trust ratings as well.  The trolls are going out of their way to prove the system is broken, which it is.  And since it is broken, then it means nothing other than the fact that a few people can cheat the system.  Hundreds of fake trust rating have been made in the last month and all it does is show that it's broken and abused.  Congrats guys, you made the trust system worthless and are patting yourselves on the back over it.

If the trust rating can be so easily manipulated, then why doesn't BFL have +9000? I guess that is the part where you are not doing your job.

In other news, Bitcoin difficulty is at 8,000,000 and you still don't have your monarch. Close race, who will win?

Wow, you must be related to Syke...

1) Show me an example of my trying to sway anyone's opinion.  I've spent the better part of the last year telling stupid people they were stupid and never once did I tell people to buy from, or patronize or even like the company.

2) Your logic on the 24GH miner falls flat...  Bruno was also given one and he never posted anything good before the tour, the only thing he did was say he had visited and had changed his mind after seeing everything work.  I never posted anything about them after my visit other than to acknowledge I received the miner.

3) Yet again, I am a paid shill and I am failing at my job... kinda defies logic... why would I be paid to fail over and over and over again?  Your claim I am a paid consultant falls as flat as everything else you've claimed, but you need to stroke your ego, so keep up the lies.

4) The trust system *IS* broken, and the reason the trust is so low is no one cares BECAUSE IT IS BROKEN.  Why try to inflate a rating to prove a point when you can sit back a let the trolls make the point even more effectively?  Face it, Inaba dangled bait in front of your and the other trolls and you ate it up, hook, line and sinker.  You proved his point far more than if he had had several people boost his rating.  Maybe *YOU* are the paid shill...

5) YapYap: Dude, you are the one with issues.  You are also one of the stupidest people on this forum.

[Bicknellski]

Sonny V. Gets 2 more years probation.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190031/2014-01-28-USA-v-Vleisides-Transcript

Article outlines BFL "strong smell"
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/digging-for-answers-the-strong-smell-of-fraud-from-one-bitcoin-miner-maker/

Original Mail Fraud
https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/radDocs/PressRoom/nr110114.htm

Sonny Chris Vleisides, 39, previously of Kansas City, MO was arrested in 2007 and held two years in Italy before he was extradited to the United States. Vleisides was sentenced to 14 months in prison followed by three years supervised release after pleading to one count of mail fraud.

JUDGMENT AND PROBATION/COMMITMENT ORDER for Sonny V.
http://ia600500.us.archive.org/15/items/gov.uscourts.cacd.383557/gov.uscourts.cacd.383557.191.0.pdf

Current Class Action Against BFL
http://www.woodlaw.com/sites/default/files/casedocs/2014-04-04%20Complaint.pdf

===============

In the past BFL_Josh and Inaba have lied... and if you are really looking for dirt go find any reference where he states they never mined with customers equipment or where he eludes to Eclipse mining being sold when he joined BFL. That could be useful in court.

I was trying to avoid calling you a liar, but the bottom line is you are lying.

Interesting.

I think the best response here is by using your words:
"please provide some evidence"

In this thread Inaba made a post which in context clearly 'shoulda' been made by BFL_Josh. When I pointed that out (which I thought was an attempt to be helpful) Inaba posted that 'It doesn't really matter since everyone knows I'm using two accounts'. (paraphrased from memory since the original post is deleted.)

My post where I pointed out the mistake, here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97269.msg1151000#msg1151000

The post I was responding to:

Deleted.

Post that I paraphrased above.

Deleted.

Which is when I referenced Orwells' "Memory Hole" here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97269.msg1151255#msg1151255

"The only post that was "deleted" was the one where you yourself bitched about which account I was posting with"
And the one where you stated that it didn't matter which account you posted with.
That is two. That is multiple.

In my capacity as a representative of BFL, I post as BFL_Josh, for other things, I post as Inaba.

I guess "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/1998/09/bill_clinton_and_the_meaning_of_is.html

In the post referenced above I pointed out to you where, IMO, you had mistakenly posted as Inaba when you meant to use the BFL_Josh account. Your response, now deleted, was that it didn't really matter.

Later, after this post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97269.msg1151111#msg1151111
you deleted the post where you stated 'it doesn't matter', and the first one I pointed out. And, probably, reposted the contents of the first one erroneously made as Inaba as BFL_Josh. As you should have to begin with. (Which is a pretty damn trivial issue. But calling me a liar isn't.)

This is the sequence. These are facts.

You have escalated the tone here multiple times:
"those individuals lied and any accusations they made were completely fabricated"
"so please be careful what you accuse me of, because I can prove you wrong if you are just making things up"

So, please. Prove me wrong. Or apologize.

[k9quaint]

3) Yet again, I am a paid shill and I am failing at my job... kinda defies logic... why would I be paid to fail over and over and over again?  Your claim I am a paid consultant falls as flat as everything else you've claimed, but you need to stroke your ego, so keep up the lies.

You already acknowledged you were paid in mining equipment, therefore BFL compensated you and thus you were paid.
You initially hid this arrangement from people, but Bruno outed you and then you admitted to it.
You have white knighted BFL here far past the point of what a reasonable person might (now you claim it was all just one big troll)
BFL's reputation here has never been worse, therefore your efforts to white knight resulted in failure.

Your claim that you can't be a paid shill and still fail at your job illustrates perfectly your inability to grasp elementary logic.
You yourself admitted to receiving compensation from BFL in the form of mining equipment. So were you lying? Did BFL really give you a miner?
If you can prove that you never received one, I would be happy to amend my statement to say that you are not a shill and merely a moron.
Were you suggesting that all people who are paid cannot fail at what they do? Or were you suggesting that you didn't fail and that your have successfully defended BFL's reputation on these boards?

[bcp19]

3) Yet again, I am a paid shill and I am failing at my job... kinda defies logic... why would I be paid to fail over and over and over again?  Your claim I am a paid consultant falls as flat as everything else you've claimed, but you need to stroke your ego, so keep up the lies.

You already acknowledged you were paid in mining equipment, therefore BFL compensated you and thus you were paid.
You initially hid this arrangement from people, but Bruno outed you and then you admitted to it.
You have white knighted BFL here far past the point of what a reasonable person might (now you claim it was all just one big troll)
BFL's reputation here has never been worse, therefore your efforts to white knight resulted in failure.

Your claim that you can't be a paid shill and still fail at your job illustrates perfectly your inability to grasp elementary logic.
You yourself admitted to receiving compensation from BFL in the form of mining equipment. So were you lying? Did BFL really give you a miner?
If you can prove that you never received one, I would be happy to amend my statement to say that you are not a shill and merely a moron.
Were you suggesting that all people who are paid cannot fail at what they do? Or were you suggesting that you didn't fail and that your have successfully defended BFL's reputation on these boards?

I was "paid" nothing.  To receive payment there would be a 1099 involved.  I was given, free and clear, a miner.  There were no strings attached, it was a gift, presumably a thank you for coming to visit.  You claim Bruno outed me, but you could not be further from the truth.  While I was offered compensation for coming to KC to tour the facility with Bruno, I turned it down.  It cost me very to go there little as the car I drive gets close to 50MPG and it was a 450mile round trip.  In addition, I used to live in KC years ago and still know people there, so I went out to dinner with a friend and then Bruno offered to share his room, so lodging cost me nothing.  Now, Bruno was compensated, but he was invited to tour the company at their expense, I asked to come along, and after arriving turned down their offer.  Josh, Sunny, Bruno, me, Goat and a few other got taken out to dinner, after which Josh presented me and Bruno with the miners as we were getting ready to leave.  I guess by your terms, Goat is also a paid shill as is Bruno.

AS I said in the other post, I am not a white knight, nor am I a shill.  I merely enjoy telling stupid people they are stupid, and trust me, when it comes to BFL, there are a lot of stupid people that post on here.

[Jaymax]

Sonny V. Gets 2 more years probation.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190031/2014-01-28-USA-v-Vleisides-Transcript

Article outlines BFL "strong smell"
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/digging-for-answers-the-strong-smell-of-fraud-from-one-bitcoin-miner-maker/

Original Mail Fraud
https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/radDocs/PressRoom/nr110114.htm

Sonny Chris Vleisides, 39, previously of Kansas City, MO was arrested in 2007 and held two years in Italy before he was extradited to the United States. Vleisides was sentenced to 14 months in prison followed by three years supervised release after pleading to one count of mail fraud.

JUDGMENT AND PROBATION/COMMITMENT ORDER for Sonny V.
http://ia600500.us.archive.org/15/items/gov.uscourts.cacd.383557/gov.uscourts.cacd.383557.191.0.pdf

Current Class Action Against BFL
http://www.woodlaw.com/sites/default/files/casedocs/2014-04-04%20Complaint.pdf

===============

In the past BFL_Josh and Inaba have lied... and if you are really looking for dirt go find any reference where he states they never mined with customers equipment or where he eludes to Eclipse mining being sold when he joined BFL. That could be useful in court.

I will just briefly mention in case it is useful somehow, that once and only once I had a post disappear on the BFL forums...  I was reminded of it reading through that transcript.

In it, I recall that I stated that it seemed to me that the BFL staff were doing their all to get stuff shipped [I was naive, sue me! lol] but that if it turned out that any of their staff already had minirig ASIC miners chugging away while the customers were kept waiting for their boxes, that would almost certainly constitute a fraud perpetrated against their customers, no matter what the website refund etc T&Cs were.

I probably didn't bold and underline fraud in that post, it was more of a throwaway comment - although my left eyebrow might have raised slightly when I couldn't relocate the post on the forum...

I do rather hope someone has mused upon the possibility in the general direction of Ms. Mahoney at some point?

[9feet]

May 2014 delivery...

May be yes
May be no

[k9quaint]

3) Yet again, I am a paid shill and I am failing at my job... kinda defies logic... why would I be paid to fail over and over and over again?  Your claim I am a paid consultant falls as flat as everything else you've claimed, but you need to stroke your ego, so keep up the lies.

You already acknowledged you were paid in mining equipment, therefore BFL compensated you and thus you were paid.
You initially hid this arrangement from people, but Bruno outed you and then you admitted to it.
You have white knighted BFL here far past the point of what a reasonable person might (now you claim it was all just one big troll)
BFL's reputation here has never been worse, therefore your efforts to white knight resulted in failure.

Your claim that you can't be a paid shill and still fail at your job illustrates perfectly your inability to grasp elementary logic.
You yourself admitted to receiving compensation from BFL in the form of mining equipment. So were you lying? Did BFL really give you a miner?
If you can prove that you never received one, I would be happy to amend my statement to say that you are not a shill and merely a moron.
Were you suggesting that all people who are paid cannot fail at what they do? Or were you suggesting that you didn't fail and that your have successfully defended BFL's reputation on these boards?

I was "paid" nothing.  To receive payment there would be a 1099 involved. 

If you are suggesting that BFL follows correct accounting and tax procedures, then you should have someone explain the transcripts of the parole hearing to you.

I was given, free and clear, a miner.  There were no strings attached, it was a gift, presumably a thank you for coming to visit.  You claim Bruno outed me, but you could not be further from the truth.  While I was offered compensation for coming to KC to tour the facility with Bruno, I turned it down.  It cost me very to go there little as the car I drive gets close to 50MPG and it was a 450mile round trip.  In addition, I used to live in KC years ago and still know people there, so I went out to dinner with a friend and then Bruno offered to share his room, so lodging cost me nothing.  Now, Bruno was compensated, but he was invited to tour the company at their expense, I asked to come along, and after arriving turned down their offer.  Josh, Sunny, Bruno, me, Goat and a few other got taken out to dinner, after which Josh presented me and Bruno with the miners as we were getting ready to leave.  I guess by your terms, Goat is also a paid shill as is Bruno.

Bruno's miner came with terms. He had to stop talking about BFL on these forums. You merely had to continue.

AS I said in the other post, I am not a white knight, nor am I a shill.  I merely enjoy telling stupid people they are stupid, and trust me, when it comes to BFL, there are a lot of stupid people that post on here.

White knights are deemed so by their actions. BFL is an embattled company in the press, you leapt in to defend them relentlessly and in the face of all incoming facts. That is what makes you a white knight. Had BFL not compensated you with mining equipment, you would not be a shill. Since they did and you attempted to hide that, you are a shill.

Bruno and Goat do not defend BFL, in fact they rarely if ever speak about them. Thus, they are neither white knights nor shills.

Simple. If you want people to stop thinking of you as a shill then stop shilling for BFL 

[zackclark70]

Will it be possible to use the monarch to distill moonshine? 

if the water temp is 105c or more you could produce good moonshine

[bcp19]

3) Yet again, I am a paid shill and I am failing at my job... kinda defies logic... why would I be paid to fail over and over and over again?  Your claim I am a paid consultant falls as flat as everything else you've claimed, but you need to stroke your ego, so keep up the lies.

You already acknowledged you were paid in mining equipment, therefore BFL compensated you and thus you were paid.
You initially hid this arrangement from people, but Bruno outed you and then you admitted to it.
You have white knighted BFL here far past the point of what a reasonable person might (now you claim it was all just one big troll)
BFL's reputation here has never been worse, therefore your efforts to white knight resulted in failure.

Your claim that you can't be a paid shill and still fail at your job illustrates perfectly your inability to grasp elementary logic.
You yourself admitted to receiving compensation from BFL in the form of mining equipment. So were you lying? Did BFL really give you a miner?
If you can prove that you never received one, I would be happy to amend my statement to say that you are not a shill and merely a moron.
Were you suggesting that all people who are paid cannot fail at what they do? Or were you suggesting that you didn't fail and that your have successfully defended BFL's reputation on these boards?

I was "paid" nothing.  To receive payment there would be a 1099 involved. 

If you are suggesting that BFL follows correct accounting and tax procedures, then you should have someone explain the transcripts of the parole hearing to you.

I was given, free and clear, a miner.  There were no strings attached, it was a gift, presumably a thank you for coming to visit.  You claim Bruno outed me, but you could not be further from the truth.  While I was offered compensation for coming to KC to tour the facility with Bruno, I turned it down.  It cost me very to go there little as the car I drive gets close to 50MPG and it was a 450mile round trip.  In addition, I used to live in KC years ago and still know people there, so I went out to dinner with a friend and then Bruno offered to share his room, so lodging cost me nothing.  Now, Bruno was compensated, but he was invited to tour the company at their expense, I asked to come along, and after arriving turned down their offer.  Josh, Sunny, Bruno, me, Goat and a few other got taken out to dinner, after which Josh presented me and Bruno with the miners as we were getting ready to leave.  I guess by your terms, Goat is also a paid shill as is Bruno.

Bruno's miner came with terms. He had to stop talking about BFL on these forums. You merely had to continue.

AS I said in the other post, I am not a white knight, nor am I a shill.  I merely enjoy telling stupid people they are stupid, and trust me, when it comes to BFL, there are a lot of stupid people that post on here.

White knights are deemed so by their actions. BFL is an embattled company in the press, you leapt in to defend them relentlessly and in the face of all incoming facts. That is what makes you a white knight. Had BFL not compensated you with mining equipment, you would not be a shill. Since they did and you attempted to hide that, you are a shill.

Bruno and Goat do not defend BFL, in fact they rarely if ever speak about them. Thus, they are neither white knights nor shills.

Simple. If you want people to stop thinking of you as a shill then stop shilling for BFL 

Yet again, closed mind.

Reading back through your posts, something occurred to me... you have no idea what IQ means.  There are many different areas measured during an IQ test, an encyclopedic knowledge of the english language is not one of them.  I know first hand how two different people can score almost identical scores, but have almost nothing in common attributing to that score.  That just goes to show how little you know about what you speak, kinda like the rest of your posts.

[k9quaint]

3) Yet again, I am a paid shill and I am failing at my job... kinda defies logic... why would I be paid to fail over and over and over again?  Your claim I am a paid consultant falls as flat as everything else you've claimed, but you need to stroke your ego, so keep up the lies.

You already acknowledged you were paid in mining equipment, therefore BFL compensated you and thus you were paid.
You initially hid this arrangement from people, but Bruno outed you and then you admitted to it.
You have white knighted BFL here far past the point of what a reasonable person might (now you claim it was all just one big troll)
BFL's reputation here has never been worse, therefore your efforts to white knight resulted in failure.

Your claim that you can't be a paid shill and still fail at your job illustrates perfectly your inability to grasp elementary logic.
You yourself admitted to receiving compensation from BFL in the form of mining equipment. So were you lying? Did BFL really give you a miner?
If you can prove that you never received one, I would be happy to amend my statement to say that you are not a shill and merely a moron.
Were you suggesting that all people who are paid cannot fail at what they do? Or were you suggesting that you didn't fail and that your have successfully defended BFL's reputation on these boards?

I was "paid" nothing.  To receive payment there would be a 1099 involved. 

If you are suggesting that BFL follows correct accounting and tax procedures, then you should have someone explain the transcripts of the parole hearing to you.

I was given, free and clear, a miner.  There were no strings attached, it was a gift, presumably a thank you for coming to visit.  You claim Bruno outed me, but you could not be further from the truth.  While I was offered compensation for coming to KC to tour the facility with Bruno, I turned it down.  It cost me very to go there little as the car I drive gets close to 50MPG and it was a 450mile round trip.  In addition, I used to live in KC years ago and still know people there, so I went out to dinner with a friend and then Bruno offered to share his room, so lodging cost me nothing.  Now, Bruno was compensated, but he was invited to tour the company at their expense, I asked to come along, and after arriving turned down their offer.  Josh, Sunny, Bruno, me, Goat and a few other got taken out to dinner, after which Josh presented me and Bruno with the miners as we were getting ready to leave.  I guess by your terms, Goat is also a paid shill as is Bruno.

Bruno's miner came with terms. He had to stop talking about BFL on these forums. You merely had to continue.

AS I said in the other post, I am not a white knight, nor am I a shill.  I merely enjoy telling stupid people they are stupid, and trust me, when it comes to BFL, there are a lot of stupid people that post on here.

White knights are deemed so by their actions. BFL is an embattled company in the press, you leapt in to defend them relentlessly and in the face of all incoming facts. That is what makes you a white knight. Had BFL not compensated you with mining equipment, you would not be a shill. Since they did and you attempted to hide that, you are a shill.

Bruno and Goat do not defend BFL, in fact they rarely if ever speak about them. Thus, they are neither white knights nor shills.

Simple. If you want people to stop thinking of you as a shill then stop shilling for BFL 

Yet again, closed mind.

Reading back through your posts, something occurred to me... you have no idea what IQ means.  There are many different areas measured during an IQ test, an encyclopedic knowledge of the english language is not one of them.  I know first hand how two different people can score almost identical scores, but have almost nothing in common attributing to that score.  That just goes to show how little you know about what you speak, kinda like the rest of your posts.

I actually know exactly what IQ purports to measure. That is why I note that you have a small vocabulary and seem unable to expand it via Google, and I also note that you are unable to grasp logical constructs. One is due to your lack of education, the other is due to your lack of cognitive abilities.

It must seem to you that my posts are devoid of content, since it all flies over your head. If only you would put your hearing aid in, you might hear that wooshing sound.

All you can do now is call people names, since you are unable to rebut your own words.

[southerngentuk]

Will it be possible to use the monarch to distill moonshine? 

if the water temp is 105c or more you could produce good moonshine

Thank God, That will ease the tensions of those who got sucked into this..   

Hope this helps also - http://wiki.homedistiller.org/Uncle_Jesse%27s_Simple_Sour_Mash_Method

 

[bcp19]

I actually know exactly what IQ purports to measure. That is why I note that you have a small vocabulary and seem unable to expand it via Google, and I also note that you are unable to grasp logical constructs. One is due to your lack of education, the other is due to your lack of cognitive abilities.

It must seem to you that my posts are devoid of content, since it all flies over your head. If only you would put your hearing aid in, you might hear that wooshing sound.

All you can do now is call people names, since you are unable to rebut your own words.

And thus illuminates your ignorance.  Your perceived lack of ability just means you have no idea what you are saying and have no true measure of the person you are conversing with.  This is one of the issues with the internet, people *think* they can judge people without any real information to back it up, and more often than not they are wrong.  The problem with this is that people are inherently illogical due to various things, so expecting pure logic is therefore illogical.  Your mind games are just that, games.  They have no basis in fact nor do they give a clear understanding of the issues.  You seem to think you have the upperhand here, but sadly you do not.  Your continued discourse just goes to show your feel you have something to prove, but the truth has already been put out there, you are just too blind to see it.  As the japanese would say, you're about 100 years to early for this conversation.

[k9quaint]

I actually know exactly what IQ purports to measure. That is why I note that you have a small vocabulary and seem unable to expand it via Google, and I also note that you are unable to grasp logical constructs. One is due to your lack of education, the other is due to your lack of cognitive abilities.

It must seem to you that my posts are devoid of content, since it all flies over your head. If only you would put your hearing aid in, you might hear that wooshing sound.

All you can do now is call people names, since you are unable to rebut your own words.

And thus illuminates your ignorance.  Your perceived lack of ability just means you have no idea what you are saying and have no true measure of the person you are conversing with.  This is one of the issues with the internet, people *think* they can judge people without any real information to back it up, and more often than not they are wrong.  The problem with this is that people are inherently illogical due to various things, so expecting pure logic is therefore illogical.  Your mind games are just that, games.  They have no basis in fact nor do they give a clear understanding of the issues.  You seem to think you have the upperhand here, but sadly you do not.  Your continued discourse just goes to show your feel you have something to prove, but the truth has already been put out there, you are just too blind to see it.  As the japanese would say, you're about 100 years to early for this conversation.

I see you refuse to rebut the actual issue and are now derailing the conversation again. I can't really blame you, you have no position to stand on.

My latests posts are your own words thrown back at you. Usually you don't understand what a word means and a simple link to the definition is enough. Other times you make a claim that can be demonstrated as false by quoting your own words back at you.

It requires so little effort to make you look silly one might ask why I do it? The answer is this: when people can read what the only defender of BFL posts, they are that much less likely to fall for BFL's scam. All I need to is run you in circles while you flail on about how BFL isn't to blame, it is all the greedy customers. 

[bcp19]

I actually know exactly what IQ purports to measure. That is why I note that you have a small vocabulary and seem unable to expand it via Google, and I also note that you are unable to grasp logical constructs. One is due to your lack of education, the other is due to your lack of cognitive abilities.

It must seem to you that my posts are devoid of content, since it all flies over your head. If only you would put your hearing aid in, you might hear that wooshing sound.

All you can do now is call people names, since you are unable to rebut your own words.

And thus illuminates your ignorance.  Your perceived lack of ability just means you have no idea what you are saying and have no true measure of the person you are conversing with.  This is one of the issues with the internet, people *think* they can judge people without any real information to back it up, and more often than not they are wrong.  The problem with this is that people are inherently illogical due to various things, so expecting pure logic is therefore illogical.  Your mind games are just that, games.  They have no basis in fact nor do they give a clear understanding of the issues.  You seem to think you have the upperhand here, but sadly you do not.  Your continued discourse just goes to show your feel you have something to prove, but the truth has already been put out there, you are just too blind to see it.  As the japanese would say, you're about 100 years to early for this conversation.

I see you refuse to rebut the actual issue and are now derailing the conversation again. I can't really blame you, you have no position to stand on.

My latests posts are your own words thrown back at you. Usually you don't understand what a word means and a simple link to the definition is enough. Other times you make a claim that can be demonstrated as false by quoting your own words back at you.

It requires so little effort to make you look silly one might ask why I do it? The answer is this: when people can read what the only defender of BFL posts, they are that much less likely to fall for BFL's scam. All I need to is run you in circles while you flail on about how BFL isn't to blame, it is all the greedy customers. 

Now you are putting words in my mouth.  I said ALL asic manufacturers, not just BFL.  The masses that are crying about their losses are just greedy gamblers who backed the wrong horses.  I said very early on that people who buy mining equipment expecting to become rich are fools.  The only people that will truly become rich are the early adopters and the people selling the equipment.  It's the California Gold Rush all over again, only now people seem to think they are entitled.

The issue is moot.  You're beating a dead horse.  Your arguments are specious.  For almost a year I have watched as people called anyone who didn't speak negatively about your favorite mining company get called a shill.  Just because you think you hit the nail on the head doesn't make you right.  Your distorted view of reality and true reality do not match, whatever your searches bring up.  You bring up examples of me telling people they are stupid and go "See!" yet all I see if me telling people they are stupid.  Go ahead and pat yourself on the back, you think you've won, but all you've done is prove that you have no real grasp of the situation.  Your comment about Bruno being "paid" with a miner to shut up proves your lack of knowledge.  You are merely spouting speculation without a shred of evidence. 

As to championing, you are stuck in the world of definitions.  The problem you have is you see the letter of the law without understanding the spirit of the law.  I have not stood up and told people how great BFL is, I merely told stupid people they were stupid, which I continue to do to this day.  You are stupid as well, as you cannot see the forest for the trees yet again.  But my telling you this means nothing as you have your blinders on and you will continue to tilt at windmills until you are knocked off your horse.

[k9quaint]

I actually know exactly what IQ purports to measure. That is why I note that you have a small vocabulary and seem unable to expand it via Google, and I also note that you are unable to grasp logical constructs. One is due to your lack of education, the other is due to your lack of cognitive abilities.

It must seem to you that my posts are devoid of content, since it all flies over your head. If only you would put your hearing aid in, you might hear that wooshing sound.

All you can do now is call people names, since you are unable to rebut your own words.

And thus illuminates your ignorance.  Your perceived lack of ability just means you have no idea what you are saying and have no true measure of the person you are conversing with.  This is one of the issues with the internet, people *think* they can judge people without any real information to back it up, and more often than not they are wrong.  The problem with this is that people are inherently illogical due to various things, so expecting pure logic is therefore illogical.  Your mind games are just that, games.  They have no basis in fact nor do they give a clear understanding of the issues.  You seem to think you have the upperhand here, but sadly you do not.  Your continued discourse just goes to show your feel you have something to prove, but the truth has already been put out there, you are just too blind to see it.  As the japanese would say, you're about 100 years to early for this conversation.

I see you refuse to rebut the actual issue and are now derailing the conversation again. I can't really blame you, you have no position to stand on.

My latests posts are your own words thrown back at you. Usually you don't understand what a word means and a simple link to the definition is enough. Other times you make a claim that can be demonstrated as false by quoting your own words back at you.

It requires so little effort to make you look silly one might ask why I do it? The answer is this: when people can read what the only defender of BFL posts, they are that much less likely to fall for BFL's scam. All I need to is run you in circles while you flail on about how BFL isn't to blame, it is all the greedy customers. 

Now you are putting words in my mouth.  I said ALL asic manufacturers, not just BFL.  The masses that are crying about their losses are just greedy gamblers who backed the wrong horses.  I said very early on that people who buy mining equipment expecting to become rich are fools.  The only people that will truly become rich are the early adopters and the people selling the equipment.  It's the California Gold Rush all over again, only now people seem to think they are entitled.

Entitled to companies not lying and not violating the law. You seem to think anything goes, which I suppose you would have to in order to accept payment from BFL to shill for them.

The issue is moot.  You're beating a dead horse.  Your arguments are specious.  For almost a year I have watched as people called anyone who didn't speak negatively about your favorite mining company get called a shill.  <snip nonsense with bad grammar>

Judging by your use of the word moot, it appears you do not understand what it means:
moot
mo͞ot
adjective
1.
subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty, and typically not admitting of a final decision.

or you do not understand what beating a dead horse means:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flogging_a_dead_horse
Flogging a dead horse (alternatively beating a dead horse, or beating a dead dog in some parts of the Anglophone world) is an idiom that means a particular request or line of conversation is already foreclosed or otherwise resolved

First you say the subject is open for debate and is uncertain, then you say it is closed or resolved. Don't you get tired of demonstrating your lack of education?

As to championing, you are stuck in the world of definitions.  The problem you have is you see the letter of the law without understanding the spirit of the law.  I have not stood up and told people how great BFL is, I merely told stupid people they were stupid, which I continue to do to this day.  You are stupid as well, as you cannot see the forest for the trees yet again.  But my telling you this means nothing as you have your blinders on and you will continue to tilt at windmills until you are knocked off your horse.

Yes you do not know what words mean. Yes I abide by the definition of the English language. Yes you call people stupid and little else. Pointing out that you are using words incorrectly and thus contradict yourself is not "tilting at windmills" There is nothing imaginary about your failure to grasp the English language and logic.

Regardless of your inability to express reality in print form, things have just started to heat up. Class action lawsuit. Individual lawsuits. Investigations by KS AG and FTC. BFL compelled to testify for Sonny's parole hearing. Lots of fun to come and we shall all be eating popcorn.

[Bicknellski]

The point of BCP is to derail and obfuscate the reality of BFL.

Note that anytime there is a link posted that states damning facts against BFL he or other shills come out of the woodwork to bury the information.

[bcp19]

Yes you do not know what words mean. Yes I abide by the definition of the English language. Yes you call people stupid and little else. Pointing out that you are using words incorrectly and thus contradict yourself is not "tilting at windmills" There is nothing imaginary about your failure to grasp the English language and logic.

Regardless of your inability to express reality in print form, things have just started to heat up. Class action lawsuit. Individual lawsuits. Investigations by KS AG and FTC. BFL compelled to testify for Sonny's parole hearing. Lots of fun to come and we shall all be eating popcorn.

Yet again, you have failed.  Your ability to measure the intelligence of another person over the internet is in need of an overhaul.  Your dogged pursuit of this fantasy shows your insecurity when it comes to confrontation.  I pity your for your continued failure, your lack of understanding and your inability to achieve the enlightenment of those who are truly aware.

[zackclark70]

Will it be possible to use the monarch to distill moonshine? 

if the water temp is 105c or more you could produce good moonshine

Thank God, That will ease the tensions of those who got sucked into this..   

Hope this helps also - http://wiki.homedistiller.org/Uncle_Jesse%27s_Simple_Sour_Mash_Method

 

have to make sure you keep the water loop under 10psi of pressure to stop the water boiling and making bubbles in the loop

you could do it at a lower temp but it would take a lot longer

i wonder how much btc you could make in the time it takes to make 1,000ml of moonshine lol  i bet the moonshine would be worth more as well

[Chopperman]

The point of BCP is to derail and obfuscate the reality of BFL.

Note that anytime there is a link posted that states damning facts against BFL he or other shills come out of the woodwork to bury the information.

This times 1000.

Working on my essay for Psychology Course at the community college, will describe this as "B.F.L.A.A.T #1"

Butterfly Labs and Apologists Tactic number 1 - derail the discussion by all means possible to bury bad news under pages of new flamage.

[bcp19]

The point of BCP is to derail and obfuscate the reality of BFL.

Note that anytime there is a link posted that states damning facts against BFL he or other shills come out of the woodwork to bury the information.

This times 1000.

Working on my essay for Psychology Course at the community college, will describe this as "B.F.L.A.A.T #1"

Butterfly Labs and Apologists Tactic number 1 - derail the discussion by all means possible to bury bad news under pages of new flamage.

Here I thought that would stand for Butterfly Labs Antagonists and Trolls.  Bick falls smack dab into that category.  He's actually obfuscated far more by his over the top accusations than I could have ever done.  The funny thing is he doesn't realize that negative publicity is still publicity and the people that come in here and see his ramblings just walk away shaking their heads.  There's a right way and a wrong way to post negative information, and Bickski is the master of the wrong way.

[k9quaint]

The point of BCP is to derail and obfuscate the reality of BFL.

Note that anytime there is a link posted that states damning facts against BFL he or other shills come out of the woodwork to bury the information.

This times 1000.

Working on my essay for Psychology Course at the community college, will describe this as "B.F.L.A.A.T #1"

Butterfly Labs and Apologists Tactic number 1 - derail the discussion by all means possible to bury bad news under pages of new flamage.

It is a time honored tactic. However, in this case the cause has been taken up by others like the FTC, the Kansas Attorney General, and several law firms. At this point, it is just a matter of having enough popcorn to last though the fireworks. BFL has already been outclassed in the marketplace and their failures to refund should rack up some impressive fines. Whatever cash is left over will get hoovered up by the civil lawsuits. That is, if BFL hasn't already converted all their pre-order funds into houses, cars, hookers and beer. 

[alh]

My question is: Do you think hookers take Bitcoin?

[Unacceptable]

Ever hear of "Bitches for Bitcoin"  

[LittleD]

[bcp19]

Hey Bick, did you miss this:

SP30 Yukon - August Batch

[Bicknellski]

VS

Oh look a 4U that can't match the 2U SP30s that is air cooled. BFL just give up you lost the battle your product is irrelevant and non-existent. Even if you get it to market the game is over. August for SP30 delivery and they are moving to an even better chip after the Rockerbox. When are you going to deliver that BFL 4U untested 28nm chip, untested cooling, untested rack. Game over. You spend 15+ months developing a 28nm. Spondoolies has released a 65nm chip, miners and have completed design and are now fabricating miners for the 28nm they have and started design on the 3rd gen chips all in a period less than that. Oh my BFL you are toast.

[k9quaint]

BFL can't match the Antminer S2 which is shipping now.
BFL is last to market and first in lawsuits.

[HorseRider]

Where did they get 1.5W/GH for KnCMiner from? Or 1.1 for AntMiner?

My October Jupiter is 1.2W/GH measured at the wall.
My AntMiner S2 is 1.0W/GH measured at the wall.

These are measurements I have made myself from equipment that I own and run.

Is BFL comparing estimated Monarch ASIC chip-level power draw in a low power mode (0.35W/GH), versus an exaggerated total-system draw at the wall for competitors?

Looks impressive on paper, but then I remember my Jalapeño was meant to run solely from a USB port, ie 2.5W, whereas the end product draws 35W (I own one and I measured it myself).

Perhaps we should save the power comparisons until some customers have their units and report back with real world at-the-wall power measurements.

And AntMiner uses the 55nm process node, not 28nm. BFL uses the 2 generation ahead process to win, it must be honorable.

[Bicknellski]

Where did they get 1.5W/GH for KnCMiner from? Or 1.1 for AntMiner?

My October Jupiter is 1.2W/GH measured at the wall.
My AntMiner S2 is 1.0W/GH measured at the wall.

These are measurements I have made myself from equipment that I own and run.

Is BFL comparing estimated Monarch ASIC chip-level power draw in a low power mode (0.35W/GH), versus an exaggerated total-system draw at the wall for competitors?

Looks impressive on paper, but then I remember my Jalapeño was meant to run solely from a USB port, ie 2.5W, whereas the end product draws 35W (I own one and I measured it myself).

Perhaps we should save the power comparisons until some customers have their units and report back with real world at-the-wall power measurements.

And AntMiner uses the 55nm process node, not 28nm. BFL uses the 2 generation ahead process to win, it must be honorable.

Psst. AntMiner wins as it actually exists and ships tomorrow. (MAY 8th Shipping)

When comparing 28nm Rockerbox SP30s vs. 28nm BFL chips who wins then?

Who is shipping that 28nm first if you order today?  Spondoolies Tech.
Who will achieve their power numbers? Spondoolies Tech.
Who makes a cheaper $/gh unit? Spondoolies Tech.
Who has better on time delivery record? Spondoolies Tech.
Who is a more responsive company to question via email? Spondoolies Tech.
Who has a better in house design team? Spondoolies Tech.
Who has fewer lawsuits? Spondoolies Tech.
Who has a higher density unit? Spondoolies Tech.

[Searing]

Man so glad I'm one of the people who have been refunded by BFL due to Sonny's recent
troubles and such....

But still the scam continues..here it the latest spam email like from BFL News
I got in my email..I should unsubscripe  now that I'm free with my (all to soon to end for others I'm afraid)
Full Refund from BFL (1 year and 20 days to get such) ...ahem ...er ..may i say...."whewwwwww"

here is the link to their latest scam attempt

http://us6.campaign-archive2.com/?u=5015fc3486176144c53751877&id=4cba49d604&e=7bb6242f2b

the mind boggles absolutely boggles

and imho...they will string this along as far as possible and one day it will just pull a 'gox' and declare bankruptcy

google the US regulators current method of dealing with fraud after the bank crisis...it is not to punish but to "FINE THE CORP"

Sad to say ..I think they are gonna 'walk' with a settlement and all their personal assets and  eclipse and all

by sacrificing BFL the equipment arm to the wolves....settle for $$$ the new white collar way to do the crime

hope I am incorrect....but they gotta have an exit strategy

Searing

[solarion]

It would end quickly if people would stop acting as creditors for manufacturers.

[LittleD]

Update from josh

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 I wish I could start this update by saying we are shipping... but we aren't quite yet. Believe me, it's just as painful for me as it is for everyone else. There's not a lot of update I can give at the moment, things are moving very fast and any information I post right now would be out of date inside of 24 hours.

 But a quick summary and bottom line will have to do:

 We have gone through several board revisions, moving towards a final revision. I had expected a final rev delivered to KC today, but some last minute resistor adjustments has delayed that until (hopefully) tomorrow (although they may be on the way to KC already). I wish I could convey the level of effort that is required to bring a board and a chip to life, but words just can't do the job justice I'm afraid. There are hundreds if not thousands of little things that need to be attended to that make a board and a chip viable and useful. They are all small things for the most part, but they all add up to a significant investment in time to get right.

 So the bottom line is we are very close... I don't know how close. I can put a time frame on it and risk being wrong or I can just say that we are working as fast as we possibly can to make this happen. We absolutely do not want to end up with boards or devices that arrive dead or half functioning or over heating or consuming more power than they should or parts falling off of them (these are all things that could easily happen if we ship bad hardware). I believe we will start shipping any day now ... as soon as we get a board that works to the level we believe is up to our standards of operation, we will have a large quantity of them roll off the line within 24 hours and we'll start the packing and shipping process after that.

 I will post a further update tomorrow once I've had a chance to go over in more detail with the engineering team on where we stand as far as the final rev and hopefully I'll have the latest (and last) board in the shop to test."

And today he post this pic on twitter

[Threader]

Update from josh

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 I wish I could start this update by saying we are shipping... but we aren't quite yet. Believe me, it's just as painful for me as it is for everyone else.

Yeah, everyone else would be in deep pain with 1000 bitcoins for a new house. Poor Joshie. You really are delusional.



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May 21, 2014, 08:13:38 AM
   
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Nice that Josh could afford a 1000 BTC home right?

http://www.kmbc.com/news/Kansas-man-buys-Johnson-County-home-with-Bitcoins/26083128

You are welcome Monarch customers.

[Searing]

Update from josh

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 I wish I could start this update by saying we are shipping... but we aren't quite yet. Believe me, it's just as painful for me as it is for everyone else. There's not a lot of update I can give at the moment, things are moving very fast and any information I post right now would be out of date inside of 24 hours.

 But a quick summary and bottom line will have to do:

 We have gone through several board revisions, moving towards a final revision. I had expected a final rev delivered to KC today, but some last minute resistor adjustments has delayed that until (hopefully) tomorrow (although they may be on the way to KC already). I wish I could convey the level of effort that is required to bring a board and a chip to life, but words just can't do the job justice I'm afraid. There are hundreds if not thousands of little things that need to be attended to that make a board and a chip viable and useful. They are all small things for the most part, but they all add up to a significant investment in time to get right.

 So the bottom line is we are very close... I don't know how close. I can put a time frame on it and risk being wrong or I can just say that we are working as fast as we possibly can to make this happen. We absolutely do not want to end up with boards or devices that arrive dead or half functioning or over heating or consuming more power than they should or parts falling off of them (these are all things that could easily happen if we ship bad hardware). I believe we will start shipping any day now ... as soon as we get a board that works to the level we believe is up to our standards of operation, we will have a large quantity of them roll off the line within 24 hours and we'll start the packing and shipping process after that.

 I will post a further update tomorrow once I've had a chance to go over in more detail with the engineering team on where we stand as far as the final rev and hopefully I'll have the latest (and last) board in the shop to test."

And today he post this pic on twitter

Well we should not be surprised..here is a 'supposedly" 'tongue in cheek" video...Hitler rant on butterfly labs
from last august 2013...man if you read the subtitles he absolutely "nail them dead to rights" I mean it is now
May 21st 2014 and Josh has just said they have not a clue on how to get the card working"

anyway an oldie but a goodie ...but pay attention to the subtitles...boy...the guy must have a time machine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jYNMKdv36w

Searing

[xzempt]

http://www.kctv5.com/story/25568078/bitcoin-used-to-buy-500000-olathe-home look what your preorders bought...

[k9quaint]

http://www.kctv5.com/story/25568078/bitcoin-used-to-buy-500000-olathe-home look what your preorders bought...

That is what Josh bought after failing to pay up on a 1000BTC bet he lost.
If Josh owed me $500K, I would promise half to whoever collected it.
Then I would eat popcorn and watch the fireworks 

[Bicknellski]

You know that people have mentioned that the basic PCI style design they are going for may not be the right form factor to shove that much heat and power into. Remember it takes a lot to design an efficient cooling system for a GPU and that is what in essence they are designing. BFL is not Nvidia or AMD that is for sure. They may not find a solution to their problems and given they are 16 months into this now do you really expect them to keep going if they can't solve it? At some point they might have to throw in the towel and give up. The fact people are buying housing when a product like this is on the verge of failure is a telling sign not of confidence but of desperation and fear.

Radeon HD 7990 Further Delayed

[Zelek Uther]

Posted by BFL_Josh
Monarch Update - 20 May 2014

So the bottom line is we are very close... I don't know how close.

Here's the best way to express how close:
Two Weeks^TM

Or the new favourite:
RSN^TM
(aka Real Soon Now^TM)

[Bicknellski]

Posted by BFL_Josh
Monarch Update - 20 May 2014

So the bottom line is we are very close... I don't know how close.

Here's the best way to express how close:
Two Weeks^TM

Or the new favourite:
RSN^TM
(aka Real Soon Now^TM)

Or first suggested delivery:
Shipping in November December 2013 ^TM
(aka The lie we tell everyone at the pre-order phase ^TM)

Added What You Accidently Omitted (AWYAO)

[PuertoLibre]

I believe I know what is wrong with the Monarch.

It is so unbelievably fast, that it caused an error in reality. Therefore, the bug in reality has cause a looping error of "Two Weeks".

Currently the error in reality is being debugged by experts in the field of "deb-U-ggery". Please stay tuned to your local quantum flux forecasts.

[Email me if they start commenting out the statement "Two Weeks". You know, to prevent a very visible error at the very least.]

[Zelek Uther]

Posted by BFL_Josh
Monarch Update - 20 May 2014

So the bottom line is we are very close... I don't know how close.

Here's the best way to express how close:
Two Weeks^TM

Or the new favourite:
RSN^TM
(aka Real Soon Now^TM)

Or first suggested delivery:
Shipping in November December 2013 ^TM
(aka The lie we tell everyone at the pre-order phase ^TM)

Added What You Accidently Omitted (AWYAO)

So damn true it hurts.  

In August 2013 I nearly pulled the trigger on converting my heavily delayed 65nm order (3x 60 GH/s miners) into a Monarch order.  I literally had it up on the screen in front of me.  600 GH/s delivered in November/December 2013 was tempting... "we've got experience now, second ASIC, largely free of risk, we know all the pitfalls now" (see https://i.imgur.com/48BeJaG.png)... convincing sales talk...

...until I slapped myself back into reality and realised that this is BFL we're talking about... they NEVER hit their deadlines.  Never.  Ever.  In the History of the Planet.  Have they ever.  Hit.  A.  Deadline*.

_{* When it comes to delivering bitcoin mining hardware to customers (not just "review" units to a selected few).  I know for sure my order was severely delayed anyway... maybe I was the only one?}

[Searing]

You know that people have mentioned that the basic PCI style design they are going for may not be the right form factor to shove that much heat and power into. Remember it takes a lot to design an efficient cooling system for a GPU and that is what in essence they are designing. BFL is not Nvidia or AMD that is for sure. They may not find a solution to their problems and given they are 16 months into this now do you really expect them to keep going if they can't solve it? At some point they might have to throw in the towel and give up. The fact people are buying housing when a product like this is on the verge of failure is a telling sign not of confidence but of desperation and fear.

Radeon HD 7990 Further Delayed

this is back to my pessimistic post of the past..if they plan'd this scam right they have an end game...if they actually 'paid' for equip for personal use..eclipse paid for equip with legit paper trail..they did not hide any btc from the IRS all liability will fall on BFL the corporation....ie.....for a settlement with class action and or feds which is the norm now...they could say don't hold us liable for the corp problems  pay off them....and say ...see we show we bought the stuff for personal use and or as proper for the mining pool we run....
but get a 'pass' like the bankers in the economic crisis...keep personal assets to settle ...bankrupt the BFL corporation

feds get $$$ class action gets $$$ they get out of it with whatever personal equip miners they got developed/for them selves in the process wages/ perks whatever free and clear

even working in the above manner (ie legal) you always had equp ready to plug in you eclipse pool or personal miner as fast as you could make capacity to do so ..a slow vampire bleed of equip (paid legit) to all the investors/employees (nice to make a cover wth employees) personal pools run private...etc

they could have done all the above LEGIT ....and they would have still made more money then god

likely they had too much eqo..and the above is just my nightmare...but if they did do the above like i state as an 'end game" then well....they will be laughing their ass off at us here in 1/2 year when bfl corp goes bankrupt and they walk

but then again if they were that bright they would have STOPPED at the 65mm stuff...got out what they could say oct/nov....told everyone mining was too hard ...never had the monarch project..and wrap'd up the bfl corp bankruptcy then...refunds towards the end...much sorrow expresse etc etc....but they got to greedy and tried the same scam with the monarch imho they over reached...thus likely my nightmare scenario is just that a 'nigtmare'

so likely my idea that they will get away with it by using methods (above) the long scam...well hopefully it is just my paranoia

but man......as a scam I'm sure they had/have and end game plan...wtf is it .....could they have been so long term into this scam they have covered their tracks?

anyway the above is what gives me the shudders..they will walk with a settlement and get away with it all..personal assets completely safe including eclipse mining pool

again above is my worst case scenario don't ya know

[Bicknellski]

How Late is the Monarch?

[bcp19]

How Late is the Monarch?

HOW LATE IS THE WASP?!?

[crazyearner]

Love the idea behind them but BFL now is a no go and by the time you get them or they say shipping. OH SORRY MORE DELAYS 2 MORE WEEKS. If they had the equipment they would be shipping out just like the rest of the legit company's out their. BFL are far from legit. Just because they shipped a handful of units out don't make them 100% legit and having hundreds of thousands of orders in pre orders still. Good luck BFL in your future.  I don't see it lasting much longer.

[jimmothy]

When comparing 28nm Rockerbox SP30s vs. 28nm BFL chips who wins then?

Who is shipping that 28nm first if you order today?  Spondoolies Tech.
Who will achieve their power numbers? Spondoolies Tech.
Who makes a cheaper $/gh unit? Spondoolies Tech.
Who has better on time delivery record? Spondoolies Tech.
Who is a more responsive company to question via email? Spondoolies Tech.
Who has a better in house design team? Spondoolies Tech.
Who has fewer lawsuits? Spondoolies Tech.
Who has a higher density unit? Spondoolies Tech.

It's not really fair to say it's a good idea to preorder from spondoolies regardless of their track record so far.

There is a good chance spondoolies next gen is delayed and the fact they can sell tested/competed hardware without delays doesn't demonstrate their ability to go from new chips/hardware to working product without delays.

Just say no to preorders.

[Syke]

It's not really fair to say it's a good idea to preorder from spondoolies regardless of their track record so far.

You're right, the comparison isn't fair. BFL, who is always late, vs. Spondoolies, who has never been late.

[Bicknellski]

When comparing 28nm Rockerbox SP30s vs. 28nm BFL chips who wins then?

Who is shipping that 28nm first if you order today?  Spondoolies Tech.
Who will achieve their power numbers? Spondoolies Tech.
Who makes a cheaper $/gh unit? Spondoolies Tech.
Who has better on time delivery record? Spondoolies Tech.
Who is a more responsive company to question via email? Spondoolies Tech.
Who has a better in house design team? Spondoolies Tech.
Who has fewer lawsuits? Spondoolies Tech.
Who has a higher density unit? Spondoolies Tech.

It's not really fair to say it's a good idea to preorder from spondoolies regardless of their track record so far.

There is a good chance spondoolies next gen is delayed and the fact they can sell tested/competed hardware without delays doesn't demonstrate their ability to go from new chips/hardware to working product without delays.

Just say no to preorders.

Agreed. NO PREORDERS EVER.

However I personally broke that rule. I could get horribly disfigured taking the risk. But if you were to make a choice vs BFL vaporware and ST version the SP30 I am putting my $ where I think it might reasonably pay off. Cheaper, more likely at this time to ship to you. That is the point. We all agree BFL is non starter and by comparison ST might be worth it. Also you can always buy their SP10 IN STOCK if you don't want to the wait for the biggest hash rate lowest power numbered SP30. Either way BFL is a joke.

[jimmothy]

It's not really fair to say it's a good idea to preorder from spondoolies regardless of their track record so far.

You're right, the comparison isn't fair. BFL, who is always late, vs. Spondoolies, who has never been late.

My point is that spondoolies has never taken preorders before the SP30. Who knows how many delays they had with their first gen.

I bet they will eventually sell sp30's BTO for the same price as a preorder (maybe less), but without all the risk.

[Bicknellski]

It's not really fair to say it's a good idea to preorder from spondoolies regardless of their track record so far.

You're right, the comparison isn't fair. BFL, who is always late, vs. Spondoolies, who has never been late.

My point is that spondoolies has never taken preorders before the SP30. Who knows how many delays they had with their first gen.

I bet they will eventually sell sp30's BTO for the same price as a preorder (maybe less), but without all the risk.

Good evaluation.

However I had to risk it given the prices available 12 Th/s at $0.69USD per Gh/s was too tempting for me to pass up. Given the 1300 Hammer chips the WPC purchased and the support from sales and the STech team on that sale I am pretty confident they will deliver the SP30 on time. I might not like the price in August, that is the risk and gamble I am taking, but I pretty confident now that STech will be on time. And given they have bent over backwards to proactively support users, given discounts and some compensation even, I am sure that given any issues with the SP30 I will be made whole as well any other STech customers. The SP10s could be used to compensate us or have even their hosting could jump in to support me and other SP30 customers. There is coverage here unlike the BFL model.

Now what has BFL provided?

No immediate refunds or compensation.
No units.
No hosting.
Lies.
16 months of development.

Let us be fair we all know that at this point in time there are clear indicators that STech is not going to leave customers hanging. They are building relationships with customers. Have you seen anything remotely like that with BFL? No. Why? I suspect as many others do that BFL is nothing more than a long con and has been since day one. Let us see what discovery provides Wood Law... the stench at BFL goes deep.

[LittleD]

Update from your boy Josh:
Monarch hashing here in Hong Kong. Stop by and check out out! pic.twitter.com/rrJ9eaNC1a


https://twitter.com/BFL_Josh

[Operatr]

Update from your boy Josh:
Monarch hashing here in Hong Kong. Stop by and check out out! pic.twitter.com/rrJ9eaNC1a


https://twitter.com/BFL_Josh

So, only a scant year or two before these bad boys will be delivered well beyond the point of profitable? BFL is still a shady joke, stay away from them.

[grn]

Update from your boy Josh:
Monarch hashing here in Hong Kong. Stop by and check out out! pic.twitter.com/rrJ9eaNC1a


https://twitter.com/BFL_Josh

Captain obvious here. There's a problem in that picture.. water blocks should NOT be connected in series...only one asic will get useful cooling, the other will overheat quickly and probably fry itself or the board.

[vulgartrendkill]

All that time and they have that completely unfinished board to show??? Who would have guessed it?

[tvbcof]

Captain obvious here. There's a problem in that picture.. water blocks should NOT be connected in series...only one asic will get useful cooling, the other will overheat quickly and probably fry itself or the board.

LOL!  This is as amusing as when the velcro'd a phone onto a box of fans.

As usual, a lot of dopes will probably consider a pic or vid of a curses app provided by known scammers as some sort of a meaningful indication of anything.  Some people don't realize that it would take only rudimentary skills to make such an app produce any numbers desired.  And about a minute of time.

[nibbknot]

Captain obvious here. There's a problem in that picture.. water blocks should NOT be connected in series...only one asic will get useful cooling, the other will overheat quickly and probably fry itself or the board.

Perhaps the setup is not intended for us but for others in a parallel universe where those at the end of the queue get their rigs first.

[Zelek Uther]

Update from your boy Josh:
Monarch hashing here in Hong Kong. Stop by and check out out! pic.twitter.com/rrJ9eaNC1a


https://twitter.com/BFL_Josh

Can anyone make out the hash rate showing on the screen?

[Unacceptable]

Looks like 357.xx GH............. 

[vapourminer]

Captain obvious here. There's a problem in that picture.. water blocks should NOT be connected in series...only one asic will get useful cooling, the other will overheat quickly and probably fry itself or the board.

you dont understand water loops. take a look at SLI/xfire water loops some time.

I lol at the low hash rate and high error rate though. wonder how many watts that thing is drawing..

sooo glad I bailed the BFL ship after getting singed on my 65 nm gear.

[k9quaint]

Captain obvious here. There's a problem in that picture.. water blocks should NOT be connected in series...only one asic will get useful cooling, the other will overheat quickly and probably fry itself or the board.

LOL!  This is as amusing as when the velcro'd a phone onto a box of fans.

As usual, a lot of dopes will probably consider a pic or vid of a curses app provided by known scammers as some sort of a meaningful indication of anything.  Some people don't realize that it would take only rudimentary skills to make such an app produce any numbers desired.  And about a minute of time.

Be careful. If you mention the way in which BFL might be breaking the law or ripping off its customers, then the thread will be moved to scam accusations where people looking to learn about Bitcoin hardware will never see it.  We wouldn't want to taint BFL's incoming supply of marks now would we?

[DrG]

Good God it's 2013 repeating itself over and over again.  This is sickening to watch.  How has this company not been shut down yet?

[bcp19]

Captain obvious here. There's a problem in that picture.. water blocks should NOT be connected in series...only one asic will get useful cooling, the other will overheat quickly and probably fry itself or the board.

you dont understand water loops. take a look at SLI/xfire water loops some time.

I lol at the low hash rate and high error rate though. wonder how many watts that thing is drawing..

sooo glad I bailed the BFL ship after getting singed on my 65 nm gear.

What do you expect?  Those are the original boards with too thin a layer of copper.  Heat prevents them from running at speed, so they use the grade B chips.  Lesser quality chips = lower speed and higher errors.  Kind of silly to waste 1TH of chips on a board that can't run that fast.  Kind of like putting a 454 into a car with a 30mph governor.....

[Syke]

What do you expect? 

I expect BFL to be able to demonstrate a product that meets the promised specs. Yet here we are, 7 months late, and they can't even show a single full spec Monarch.

[Unacceptable]

Captain obvious here. There's a problem in that picture.. water blocks should NOT be connected in series...only one asic will get useful cooling, the other will overheat quickly and probably fry itself or the board.

you dont understand water loops. take a look at SLI/xfire water loops some time.

I lol at the low hash rate and high error rate though. wonder how many watts that thing is drawing..

sooo glad I bailed the BFL ship after getting singed on my 65 nm gear.

What do you expect?  Those are the original boards with too thin a layer of copper.  Heat prevents them from running at speed, so they use the grade B chips.  Lesser quality chips = lower speed and higher errors.  Kind of silly to waste 1TH of chips on a board that can't run that fast.  Kind of like putting a 454 into a car with a 30mph governor.....

I did it!! 10 freakin years ago    454 in 79 T/A    NO GOVERNOR 

[JCviggen]

they use the grade B chips.  Lesser quality chips = lower speed and higher errors. 

That would be the largest variance (by a mile) on a batch of chips I've ever seen. Are you seriously suggesting the B grade chips can do less than 1/3rd of the clock speed of the A chips? Pull the other one.

If the chips are functional (as in, not defective) the error rate will directly linked to the clock speed they operate at. In this case, clocking them to produce 350 GH is clearly too much already as a near-10% error rate is ridiculous. Maybe they can do 250 GH reliably. So the A chips now need 4 times higher clockspeed. Hilarious.

[bcp19]

Captain obvious here. There's a problem in that picture.. water blocks should NOT be connected in series...only one asic will get useful cooling, the other will overheat quickly and probably fry itself or the board.

you dont understand water loops. take a look at SLI/xfire water loops some time.

I lol at the low hash rate and high error rate though. wonder how many watts that thing is drawing..

sooo glad I bailed the BFL ship after getting singed on my 65 nm gear.

What do you expect?  Those are the original boards with too thin a layer of copper.  Heat prevents them from running at speed, so they use the grade B chips.  Lesser quality chips = lower speed and higher errors.  Kind of silly to waste 1TH of chips on a board that can't run that fast.  Kind of like putting a 454 into a car with a 30mph governor.....

I did it!! 10 freakin years ago    454 in 79 T/A    NO GOVERNOR 

No, you didn't, you changed the parameters.  The Trans Am was built with a 454 in mind.  You'd need to put the 454 into something like a Yugo with stock tires and try to match the performance of the Trans Am to understand.  But then again, you don't care about understanding, you only care about making cheap jokes.

[bcp19]

they use the grade B chips.  Lesser quality chips = lower speed and higher errors. 

That would be the largest variance (by a mile) on a batch of chips I've ever seen. Are you seriously suggesting the B grade chips can do less than 1/3rd of the clock speed of the A chips? Pull the other one.

If the chips are functional (as in, not defective) the error rate will directly linked to the clock speed they operate at. In this case, clocking them to produce 350 GH is clearly too much already as a near-10% error rate is ridiculous. Maybe they can do 250 GH reliably. So the A chips now need 4 times higher clockspeed. Hilarious.

I just read Josh's posts and see he stated we are using grade D... I thought I heard B... my fault.

[clownius]

So watercooled at 360GH/s or so?

Damn thats awesome. 

I wanna see what the 1TH/s version needs for cooling?  Phase change maybe?

[grn]

Captain obvious here. There's a problem in that picture.. water blocks should NOT be connected in series...only one asic will get useful cooling, the other will overheat quickly and probably fry itself or the board.

you dont understand water loops. take a look at SLI/xfire water loops some time.

I lol at the low hash rate and high error rate though. wonder how many watts that thing is drawing..

sooo glad I bailed the BFL ship after getting singed on my 65 nm gear.

Q=-kA(Ts-T) - Hot water absorbs energy slower than cold water!

[dropt]

I just read Josh's posts and see he stated we are using grade D... I thought I heard B... my fault.

Here's a legitimate question:  BFL had that PCB rev with the power resistors on it to characterize the DC/DC regulation on their board months ago. Tell me, what the fuck exactly were they doing with that board to have made it this far only to realize "Oh, shit.  There's not enough copper in the power planes to handle all this current!"?  This is an even greater WTF moment when you consider the fact that Josh claims the BFL 28nm chip has come in under the expected power draw.

What kind of shitty Engineers is BFL employing or contracting that you continue to have these elementary problems?  Surely you have the answers since you're an employee of that trainwreck

[Korbman]

Captain obvious here. There's a problem in that picture.. water blocks should NOT be connected in series...only one asic will get useful cooling, the other will overheat quickly and probably fry itself or the board.

you dont understand water loops. take a look at SLI/xfire water loops some time.

I lol at the low hash rate and high error rate though. wonder how many watts that thing is drawing..

sooo glad I bailed the BFL ship after getting singed on my 65 nm gear.

Q=-kA(Ts-T) - Hot water absorbs energy slower than cold water!

True, but that's only if the water sits around long enough to get hot. Assuming the pump and radiator are working correctly and efficiently, there should a steady stream of cold water to quickly whisk away heat from several chips in a series. If it works for double/triple SLI and Crossfire setups, it should work for some BFL chips. Then again this is BFL we're talking about, so I doubt they've planned that far ahead.

I suppose it depends on how much energy these chips will consume (and give off as heat). If they meet their power specs (they won't), then it would be reasonable. CoinTerra, for example, has their water blocks set up in a parallel configuration (last I looked), which may be the result of each chip consuming ~500W.

[Syke]

What kind of shitty Engineers is BFL employing or contracting that you continue to have these elementary problems?  Surely you have the answers since you're an employee of that trainwreck

BFL doesn't care about skills, all you need to do to get a job there is shill for them on BCT.

[dropt]

What kind of shitty Engineers is BFL employing or contracting that you continue to have these elementary problems?  Surely you have the answers since you're an employee of that trainwreck

BFL doesn't care about skills, all you need to do to get a job there is shill for them on BCT.

D's get degrees!  At least that's what I hear.  Although during my time at post-secondary you had to have at least C's to graduate.

[nibbknot]

I just read Josh's posts and see he stated we are using grade D... I thought I heard B... my fault.

Here's a legitimate question:  BFL had that PCB rev with the power resistors on it to characterize the DC/DC regulation on their board months ago. Tell me, what the fuck exactly were they doing with that board to have made it this far only to realize "Oh, shit.  There's not enough copper in the power planes to handle all this current!"?  This is an even greater WTF moment when you consider the fact that Josh claims the BFL 28nm chip has come in under the expected power draw.

What kind of shitty Engineers is BFL employing or contracting that you continue to have these elementary problems?  Surely you have the answers since you're an employee of that trainwreck

Let me try this again. BFL is stalling as long as possible to ship to their customers using whatever excuses they can. 4 or 5 batches (maybe more) of chips have already been sent to BFL and turned into pcb where upon miners whether you want to call them monarchs or not were made and shipped to the various hosting companies that Sonny has a vested interest in. That explains the difficulty hike for the past months somewhat.

BUT for sake of argument let's pretend that what I say and know is not true. That means BFL only recieved 1-2 batches of chips at most. None on pcb yet except for test units. More chips are on order or on their way. The Monarchs are obsolete as we speak but are at least a month away or more to be shipped to the first customers. That means that all the industrial customers will get theirs next if BFL is playing fair and going by gueue position and the cloud hosting customers will play fair and will accept their Monarchs in the order that they ordered recieving millions of dollars worth of miners that also won't ROI even if they receive them today and are hashing in the next hour.

Now these industrial customers are pretty smart cookies otherwise they wouldn't have ordered from BFL in the first place unless they knew something you normal customers do not and were at least given some sort of guarantee. Since the cloud hosting companies have yet to complain on record about BFL what do you think the truth is?

28nm miners may or may not have been made at the plant that Bruce and I worked but many many parts were shipped there and immediately put in vans to go to BFL other assembling building. I don't know where but always assumed that Bruce did. I'm sure they didn't want no paper trail from shipping companies dropping off parts at the other facility. It is so easy to have another shop set up to build miners with other employees with one lead guy overseeing the operation. It's those miners that the industrial customers received and are happily hashing away either using Luke's or Kano's code to do it or have some other providing the code for the filmware.

What BFL wants everybody to believe is that the Monarch is not ready yet and NOBODY has received anything from them based on 28nm chips stating that it's ready when it's ready. And that everybody connected with http://www.coinware.io/ are happy campers knowing that they to have to wait with Greg Bachrach not even considering suing BFL like he did HashFast for basically the same delays of product because they have product and are hashing away nicely for themselves with selling some contracts on the side for good measure.

I may not have gotten my fact points out clearly but clearly anybody with a brain can see what is truly happening here unless they are in denial or lying their butts off.

[nibbknot]

What kind of shitty Engineers is BFL employing or contracting that you continue to have these elementary problems?  Surely you have the answers since you're an employee of that trainwreck

BFL doesn't care about skills, all you need to do to get a job there is shill for them on BCT.

D's get degrees!  At least that's what I hear.  Although during my time at post-secondary you had to have at least C's to graduate.

I don't know what high school you went to but where I went many students were able to graduate with D's in Junior High and Senior High (post-secondary as you say).

[Swimmer63]

What kind of shitty Engineers is BFL employing or contracting that you continue to have these elementary problems?  Surely you have the answers since you're an employee of that trainwreck

BFL doesn't care about skills, all you need to do to get a job there is shill for them on BCT.

D's get degrees!  At least that's what I hear.  Although during my time at post-secondary you had to have at least C's to graduate.

I don't know what high school you went to but where I went many students were able to graduate with D's in Junior High and Senior High (post-secondary as you say).

The flaw in your questioning is assuming what BFL tells you is true.  I would put money on the fact that the Monarch works fine and has been sold in great quantities to large, under the radar, clients.  The retail business is not a priority for BFL, just as it's not priority for BitFury.

EDIT - like most other miner manufacturers, they will sell us their scraps when it makes economic sense for them and not before.  Bitmain being the only exception I have seen.

[dropt]

I don't know what high school you went to but where I went many students were able to graduate with D's in Junior High and Senior High (post-secondary as you say).

Post-secondary usually implies University/College, "secondary" being your "Senior High".  My comment regarding the C's is related to the Univ I went to for my EE degree.

[dropt]

The flaw in your questioning is assuming what BFL tells you is true.  I would put money on the fact that the Monarch works fine and has been sold in great quantities to large, under the radar, clients.  The retail business is not a priority for BFL, just as it's not priority for BitFury.

EDIT - like most other miner manufacturers, they will sell us their scraps when it makes economic sense for them and not before.  Bitmain being the only exception I have seen.

Sorry, it's and was intended to be a loaded question.  I agree entirely with your sentiments, the question I asked doesn't have an answer short of "We're incompetent/don't know what we're doing/lying".

 

[nibbknot]

I don't know what high school you went to but where I went many students were able to graduate with D's in Junior High and Senior High (post-secondary as you say).

Post-secondary usually implies University/College, "secondary" being your "Senior High".  My comment regarding the C's is related to the Univ I went to for my EE degree.

BOy, now I feel so stupid. I guess I might as well go for stupiter since when I google EE I can't figure out what it is. What is EE?

[dropt]

I don't know what high school you went to but where I went many students were able to graduate with D's in Junior High and Senior High (post-secondary as you say).

Post-secondary usually implies University/College, "secondary" being your "Senior High".  My comment regarding the C's is related to the Univ I went to for my EE degree.

BOy, now I feel so stupid. I guess I might as well go for stupiter since when I google EE I can't figure out what it is. What is EE?

No worries, acronyms are hard to determine sometimes.  In this case: EE = Electrical Engineer.

[WinterParker]

Is the monarch board the same as the habanero / hashfast boards for the golden nounce ASIC? 

[dropt]

Is the monarch board the same as the habanero / hashfast boards for the golden nounce ASIC?  

No, they're different.

[whonesta]

What kind of shitty Engineers is BFL employing or contracting that you continue to have these elementary problems?  Surely you have the answers since you're an employee of that trainwreck

BFL doesn't care about skills, all you need to do to get a job there is shill for them on BCT.

+100

BCT home of the shill and A$$-Hat Mods who filter anyone's OP or Statement of TRUTH!

BCT is a dump full of worthless infomercials meant to scam the newbies..

[Swimmer63]

The flaw in your questioning is assuming what BFL tells you is true.  I would put money on the fact that the Monarch works fine and has been sold in great quantities to large, under the radar, clients.  The retail business is not a priority for BFL, just as it's not priority for BitFury.

EDIT - like most other miner manufacturers, they will sell us their scraps when it makes economic sense for them and not before.  Bitmain being the only exception I have seen.

Sorry, it's and was intended to be a loaded question.  I agree entirely with your sentiments, the question I asked doesn't have an answer short of "We're incompetent/don't know what we're doing/lying".

 

Sometimes sarcasm eludes me.  Here is the only thing I don't get out of BFL.  How does this Josh guy do it?  He posts all over the place.  If I was him I would find the deepest hole I could, dig it down a bit more and lie in it.  
Business is based on trust and dependability.  He has neither, but carries himself like...it's all cool.  Utterly blind self confidence I guess?  Delusions of respectability?  I don't understand what he's thinking when he's telling people "we plan on [INSERT FICTIONAL STATEMENT] by Friday.  Then two weeks later he rolls into the next fiction with no mention of any prior statement.  There is something psychopathic in that.

[dropt]

Sometimes sarcasm eludes me.  Here is the only thing I don't get out of BFL.  How does this Josh guy do it?  He posts all over the place.  If I was him I would find the deepest hole I could, dig it down a bit more and lie in it.  
Business is based on trust and dependability.  He has neither, but carries himself like...it's all cool.  Utterly blind self confidence I guess?  Delusions of respectability?  I don't understand what he's thinking when he's telling people "we plan on [INSERT FICTIONAL STATEMENT] by Friday.  Then two weeks later he rolls into the next fiction with no mention of any prior statement.  There is something psychopathic in that.

There are a slew of psychological disorders that likely apply to J. Zerlan.  A couple of such examples are: Superiority Complex and Dunning–Kruger.

Ultimately, I have to believe (for the most part) that the revelations presented by nibbknot are likely true given the history and circumstances of BFL.  Why aren't large scale vendors suing BFL, but are HF.  Why havn't J. Zerlan and whomever is the President of "Product Development" been fired?  I can't think of a single industry where the performance "demonstrated" by these two wouldn't be grounds for dismissal.  Yet, here we are!

[nibbknot]

Sometimes sarcasm eludes me.  Here is the only thing I don't get out of BFL.  How does this Josh guy do it?  He posts all over the place.  If I was him I would find the deepest hole I could, dig it down a bit more and lie in it.  
Business is based on trust and dependability.  He has neither, but carries himself like...it's all cool.  Utterly blind self confidence I guess?  Delusions of respectability?  I don't understand what he's thinking when he's telling people "we plan on [INSERT FICTIONAL STATEMENT] by Friday.  Then two weeks later he rolls into the next fiction with no mention of any prior statement.  There is something psychopathic in that.

There are a slew of psychological disorders that likely apply to J. Zerlan.  A couple of such examples are: Superiority Complex and Dunning–Kruger.

Ultimately, I have to believe (for the most part) that the revelations presented by nibbknot are likely true given the history and circumstances of BFL.  Why aren't large scale vendors suing BFL, but are HF.  Why havn't J. Zerlan and whomever is the President of "Product Development" been fired?  I can't think of a single industry where the performance "demonstrated" by these two wouldn't be grounds for dismissal.  Yet, here we are!

Josh is part owner of the company is why. It's common knowledge and fully disclosed like Bruce working for BFL. Most everybody at the plant knows this. Seriously, I thought everybody else knew that info here as well. If you guys don't then you guys are in more trouble then you realize because you all don't even know who owns the company and from who you ordered from. Jody's husband is Sonny's dad's best friend in case you guys didn't know that of which you probably didn't thus more proof I know what I'm talking about.

[Xian01]

There are a slew of psychological disorders that likely apply to J. Zerlan.  A couple of such examples are: Superiority Complex and Dunning–Kruger.

+ Demonstrable psychopathic traits

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist

[nibbknot]

There are a slew of psychological disorders that likely apply to J. Zerlan.  A couple of such examples are: Superiority Complex and Dunning–Kruger.

+ Demonstrable psychopathic traits

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist

Oh my god! You may have nailed it!

glib (false sincerity) and superficial charm,
grandiosity
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulating,
lack of remorse
callousness
poor behavioral controls
impulsiveness
irresponsibility
denial
parasitic lifestyle
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility

[tvbcof]

There are a slew of psychological disorders that likely apply to J. Zerlan.  A couple of such examples are: Superiority Complex and Dunning–Kruger.

+ Demonstrable psychopathic traits

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist

May or may not be the case.  Probably is to some extent, but that's hardly unusual in a population base.  These things are more analog than binary.

Josh got fucked over by someone on a Bitcoin deal back in the old days.  Some auction for a vacation rental or something.  The community basically liked the auction dude and didn't like Inaba who has always been identifiable as a general prick and everyone gave him grief about it.  I'm sure he was quite but-hurt and it was at that point that he probably said 'fuck em' and didn't have any more qualms about running scams with his foot to the floorboard.  Against the general Bitcoin community, that is, but newbies are much more conducive to being scammed so they take the brunt of his payback.

Inaba is undoubtedly much more intelligent than most people here.  He's not going to be shamed into stopping what he's doing.  Just the opposite because the more successful he is at it the more weight is added to the assertion that he's bright and the victims are stupid.

I will say that Inaba seems to try to use graphical images to paint himself as some sort of a healthy outdoorsman type when in reality his a skinny drugged-out looking guy.  Such self-consciousness is often associated with other psychological maladies.

[Xian01]

There are a slew of psychological disorders that likely apply to J. Zerlan.  A couple of such examples are: Superiority Complex and Dunning–Kruger.

+ Demonstrable psychopathic traits

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist

May or may not be the case.  Probably is to some extent, but that's hardly unusual in a population base.  These things are more analog than binary.

Josh got fucked over by someone on a Bitcoin deal back in the old days.  Some auction for a vacation rental or something.  The community basically liked the auction dude and didn't like Inaba who has always been identifiable as a general prick and everyone gave him grief about it.  I'm sure he was quite but-hurt and it was at that point that he probably said 'fuck em' and didn't have any more qualms about running scams with his foot to the floorboard.  Against the general Bitcoin community, that is, but newbies are much more conducive to being scammed so they take the brunt of his payback.

Inaba is undoubtedly much more intelligent than most people here.  He's not going to be shamed into stopping what he's doing.  Just the opposite because the more successful he is at it the more weight is added to the assertion that he's bright and the victims are stupid.

I will say that Inaba seems to try to use graphical images to paint himself as some sort of a healthy outdoorsman type when in reality his a skinny drugged-out looking guy.  Such self-consciousness is often associated with other psychological maladies.

 What is unusual is that there is a greater preponderance of psychopaths in leadership and management; A psycho-path to success if you will.

[bcp19]

I just read Josh's posts and see he stated we are using grade D... I thought I heard B... my fault.

Here's a legitimate question:  BFL had that PCB rev with the power resistors on it to characterize the DC/DC regulation on their board months ago. Tell me, what the fuck exactly were they doing with that board to have made it this far only to realize "Oh, shit.  There's not enough copper in the power planes to handle all this current!"?  This is an even greater WTF moment when you consider the fact that Josh claims the BFL 28nm chip has come in under the expected power draw.

What kind of shitty Engineers is BFL employing or contracting that you continue to have these elementary problems?  Surely you have the answers since you're an employee of that trainwreck

The only answer I have is that up until the chips were put onto the boards, I had nothing to do with them.  I cannot speak for what happened outside of my purview.

[nibbknot]

I just read Josh's posts and see he stated we are using grade D... I thought I heard B... my fault.

Here's a legitimate question:  BFL had that PCB rev with the power resistors on it to characterize the DC/DC regulation on their board months ago. Tell me, what the fuck exactly were they doing with that board to have made it this far only to realize "Oh, shit.  There's not enough copper in the power planes to handle all this current!"?  This is an even greater WTF moment when you consider the fact that Josh claims the BFL 28nm chip has come in under the expected power draw.

What kind of shitty Engineers is BFL employing or contracting that you continue to have these elementary problems?  Surely you have the answers since you're an employee of that trainwreck

The only answer I have is that up until the chips were put onto the boards, I had nothing to do with them.  I cannot speak for what happened outside of my purview.

I guess that somewhat explains why you weren't doing any assembling at the other assembling facility that made miners for the industrial clients.

[bcp19]

I just read Josh's posts and see he stated we are using grade D... I thought I heard B... my fault.

Here's a legitimate question:  BFL had that PCB rev with the power resistors on it to characterize the DC/DC regulation on their board months ago. Tell me, what the fuck exactly were they doing with that board to have made it this far only to realize "Oh, shit.  There's not enough copper in the power planes to handle all this current!"?  This is an even greater WTF moment when you consider the fact that Josh claims the BFL 28nm chip has come in under the expected power draw.

What kind of shitty Engineers is BFL employing or contracting that you continue to have these elementary problems?  Surely you have the answers since you're an employee of that trainwreck

The only answer I have is that up until the chips were put onto the boards, I had nothing to do with them.  I cannot speak for what happened outside of my purview.

I guess that somewhat explains why you weren't doing any assembling at the other assembling facility that made miners for the industrial clients.

You really should have quit while you were ahead.  I applaud your detective work in guessing I work there and throwing that out like a Hail Mary, which got caught.  I know now you never worked there, mainly because you've not once corrected the deviations I made to what really happened there.  I said 4000 boards, which was not quite true, yet you parroted me and claimed it also was 4000.  Your lies are becoming more and more far-fetched as you try to keep the spotlight focused on you.  Good luck keeping your fickle audience, I'm putting you on ignore.  Your trust rating will soon dive when people realize you took money for lying.

[nibbknot]

I just read Josh's posts and see he stated we are using grade D... I thought I heard B... my fault.

Here's a legitimate question:  BFL had that PCB rev with the power resistors on it to characterize the DC/DC regulation on their board months ago. Tell me, what the fuck exactly were they doing with that board to have made it this far only to realize "Oh, shit.  There's not enough copper in the power planes to handle all this current!"?  This is an even greater WTF moment when you consider the fact that Josh claims the BFL 28nm chip has come in under the expected power draw.

What kind of shitty Engineers is BFL employing or contracting that you continue to have these elementary problems?  Surely you have the answers since you're an employee of that trainwreck

The only answer I have is that up until the chips were put onto the boards, I had nothing to do with them.  I cannot speak for what happened outside of my purview.

I guess that somewhat explains why you weren't doing any assembling at the other assembling facility that made miners for the industrial clients.

You really should have quit while you were ahead.  I applaud your detective work in guessing I work there and throwing that out like a Hail Mary, which got caught.  I know now you never worked there, mainly because you've not once corrected the deviations I made to what really happened there.  I said 4000 boards, which was not quite true, yet you parroted me and claimed it also was 4000.  Your lies are becoming more and more far-fetched as you try to keep the spotlight focused on you.  Good luck keeping your fickle audience, I'm putting you on ignore.  Your trust rating will soon dive when people realize you took money for lying.

What the heck! It's not like it was exactly 4000 boards or 3583 boards or 4219 boards since it was quite not true/accurate to your statement. It was just a number whether accurate or not from you to show others what was supposedly made during the time frame I used to show that miners based on 28nm tech was produced and delivered to cloud hosting companies mostly around KC.

How the heck did I take money for anything especially for lying? Some guy asked me for my bitcoin address. I didn't have one so I made one at blockchain.info and posted it once not expecting anything nor cared if I got anything. I believe the same guy sent me $15 and it's worth about $14 today. And for that you put me on ignore? Great!

Now that I am on ignored by you, you will never reply to my posts ever again otherwise guess what? You will be the liar not me and I WILL call you out on it.

As far as for that $14 is concerned here it is https://blockchain.info/address/1zS6bFrAjLw6QY6rDmPFBHZUJoVGoNDvv Now that you have the information to take it from me spend it wisely because I don't need it or want it anymore. But since you have me on ignored somebody else will get it first, so HA! HA! to you.

[Swimmer63]

Take it out to the playground kids.

[k9quaint]

I just read Josh's posts and see he stated we are using grade D... I thought I heard B... my fault.

Here's a legitimate question:  BFL had that PCB rev with the power resistors on it to characterize the DC/DC regulation on their board months ago. Tell me, what the fuck exactly were they doing with that board to have made it this far only to realize "Oh, shit.  There's not enough copper in the power planes to handle all this current!"?  This is an even greater WTF moment when you consider the fact that Josh claims the BFL 28nm chip has come in under the expected power draw.

What kind of shitty Engineers is BFL employing or contracting that you continue to have these elementary problems?  Surely you have the answers since you're an employee of that trainwreck

The only answer I have is that up until the chips were put onto the boards, I had nothing to do with them.  I cannot speak for what happened outside of my purview.

I guess that somewhat explains why you weren't doing any assembling at the other assembling facility that made miners for the industrial clients.

You really should have quit while you were ahead.  I applaud your detective work in guessing I work there and throwing that out like a Hail Mary, which got caught.  I know now you never worked there, mainly because you've not once corrected the deviations I made to what really happened there.  I said 4000 boards, which was not quite true, yet you parroted me and claimed it also was 4000.  Your lies are becoming more and more far-fetched as you try to keep the spotlight focused on you.  Good luck keeping your fickle audience, I'm putting you on ignore.  Your trust rating will soon dive when people realize you took money for lying.

So far, the only evidence against anything nibbknot has claimed is BCP issuing sweeping counterclaims. Once again, white knighting BFL. The only difference being that BCP is no longer shilling now that he has admitted to being an official representative of BFL.

When a representative of BFL claims 4000 boards, only to later laugh and say it wasn't 4000 boards, that merely continues the streak of blatant misinformation put forth by BFL. It doesn't cast aspersions on anyone other than BFL. Let me guess, next you are going to say 2 more weeks and then laugh at us when it isn't read in 2 weeks?

[nibbknot]

I just read Josh's posts and see he stated we are using grade D... I thought I heard B... my fault.

Here's a legitimate question:  BFL had that PCB rev with the power resistors on it to characterize the DC/DC regulation on their board months ago. Tell me, what the fuck exactly were they doing with that board to have made it this far only to realize "Oh, shit.  There's not enough copper in the power planes to handle all this current!"?  This is an even greater WTF moment when you consider the fact that Josh claims the BFL 28nm chip has come in under the expected power draw.

What kind of shitty Engineers is BFL employing or contracting that you continue to have these elementary problems?  Surely you have the answers since you're an employee of that trainwreck

The only answer I have is that up until the chips were put onto the boards, I had nothing to do with them.  I cannot speak for what happened outside of my purview.

I guess that somewhat explains why you weren't doing any assembling at the other assembling facility that made miners for the industrial clients.

You really should have quit while you were ahead.  I applaud your detective work in guessing I work there and throwing that out like a Hail Mary, which got caught.  I know now you never worked there, mainly because you've not once corrected the deviations I made to what really happened there.  I said 4000 boards, which was not quite true, yet you parroted me and claimed it also was 4000.  Your lies are becoming more and more far-fetched as you try to keep the spotlight focused on you.  Good luck keeping your fickle audience, I'm putting you on ignore.  Your trust rating will soon dive when people realize you took money for lying.

So far, the only evidence against anything nibbknot has claimed is BCP issuing sweeping counterclaims. Once again, white knighting BFL. The only difference being that BCP is no longer shilling now that he has admitted to being an official representative of BFL.

When a representative of BFL claims 4000 boards, only to later laugh and say it wasn't 4000 boards, that merely continues the streak of blatant misinformation put forth by BFL. It doesn't cast aspersions on anyone other than BFL. Let me guess, next you are going to say 2 more weeks and then laugh at us when it isn't read in 2 weeks?

Thank you K9 for being part of my fickle audience. I noticed that the money I took for lying is still in the same wallet and nobody has tried to take even though I gave the link to it. Odd!

[JCviggen]

I just read Josh's posts and see he stated we are using grade D... I thought I heard B... my fault.

Even so, any wafer those "D" came from will not have grade "A" if A means going that much faster than what these are doing.

Besides, the logic of this exercise this escapes me somewhat. BFL must have thousands of these chips, surely using TWO grade A chips isn't going to make a lick of difference in terms of supply?
Which school of business did the decision makers study to use the worst hardware they have on the shelf and then use that to demonstrate the functionality of an upcoming product? If they have A grade chips they would be able to clock them way higher without actually drawing more power through the PCB. And without a hilarious error rate. Having a board hashing at slightly more proper speed and with a low error rate might stem the flow of refund requests a little, at least. Seems worth using a tiny fraction of a percentage of A chips.

But, according to you, they don't want to waste any of the "good" chips on a demo. They must really be short on A grade chips. Do they even have two?
Any info from BFL is difficult to take seriously these days, but if it makes as little sense as this I'm confident to call it nothing but pure undiluted BS.

[ALToids]

The end users are supposed to put that mess into their computer?  Why not just pour water inside your PC and be done with it.

[bcp19]

I just read Josh's posts and see he stated we are using grade D... I thought I heard B... my fault.

Here's a legitimate question:  BFL had that PCB rev with the power resistors on it to characterize the DC/DC regulation on their board months ago. Tell me, what the fuck exactly were they doing with that board to have made it this far only to realize "Oh, shit.  There's not enough copper in the power planes to handle all this current!"?  This is an even greater WTF moment when you consider the fact that Josh claims the BFL 28nm chip has come in under the expected power draw.

What kind of shitty Engineers is BFL employing or contracting that you continue to have these elementary problems?  Surely you have the answers since you're an employee of that trainwreck

The only answer I have is that up until the chips were put onto the boards, I had nothing to do with them.  I cannot speak for what happened outside of my purview.

I guess that somewhat explains why you weren't doing any assembling at the other assembling facility that made miners for the industrial clients.

You really should have quit while you were ahead.  I applaud your detective work in guessing I work there and throwing that out like a Hail Mary, which got caught.  I know now you never worked there, mainly because you've not once corrected the deviations I made to what really happened there.  I said 4000 boards, which was not quite true, yet you parroted me and claimed it also was 4000.  Your lies are becoming more and more far-fetched as you try to keep the spotlight focused on you.  Good luck keeping your fickle audience, I'm putting you on ignore.  Your trust rating will soon dive when people realize you took money for lying.

So far, the only evidence against anything nibbknot has claimed is BCP issuing sweeping counterclaims. Once again, white knighting BFL. The only difference being that BCP is no longer shilling now that he has admitted to being an official representative of BFL.

When a representative of BFL claims 4000 boards, only to later laugh and say it wasn't 4000 boards, that merely continues the streak of blatant misinformation put forth by BFL. It doesn't cast aspersions on anyone other than BFL. Let me guess, next you are going to say 2 more weeks and then laugh at us when it isn't read in 2 weeks?

Since the actual number of boards produced during that time was in fact well over 8000, I truly expected nibbknott to call me out for lying, but he didn't.  So here's a point to consider... if we had in deed produced these 8000 boards as Monarchs, that would have been ~8PH of Imperial Monarchs.  From Feb 1 to Mar 1 the hash rate only grew by ~7PH... are you actually going to tell me you believe BFL was solely responsible for the growth in Feb?

On top of the above, my Trans Am is not Orange, it's actually called Russet and looks Brown, again he didn't call me out on it.  There's no one named Bob working there (never was), yet he let also that one slip by.  Like I said, masterfully done, he not only trolled me, but he trolled the entire forum as well, who were gullible enough to believe his lies.  Sadly *I* am not the one laughing at you guys today... nibbknot is.  He has out-trolled the best of you and you fell for it, all because he used the one company you'd believe it about.

[Bicknellski]

Note there are Chinese fabs able currently to push 3000 1Th + miners out their factory door a day. 28nm. This means BFL regardless of their production will be buried. Currently 30 to 40% of hash power is in China ... Bitfury controls the majority of the hash rate. No matter what BFL doesnt have the production capacity to match that. BFL even if it wanted to doesn't have anywhere near that capital or the designs to compete.

No one with plans for 16 to 14nm in 2015 considers BFL anything but footnote. There are 2 chip makers that will battle it out BFL is under capitalized and has limited access to cutting edge chip design as well mass production required for miner production in a single location like is available to the real production kings in this industry.

While they keep messing around with their 28nm, others have leapfrogged and put out better units at much higher volumes. They lost any advantages at 65nm but have failed to compete price or efficiency wise at 28nm. They will not even bother with 20, 16 or 14nm... they will not have the ability to match the projected efficiency or prices of the competition they know they are out of the race.

[Swimpool]

BFL is such a POS company. I do not feel bad for the idiots who pre ordered AGAIN from them though.

[ComaWombat]

On top of the above, my Trans Am is not Orange, it's actually called Russet and looks Brown, again he didn't call me out on it.  There's no one named Bob working there (never was), yet he let also that one slip by.  Like I said, masterfully done, he not only trolled me, but he trolled the entire forum as well, who were gullible enough to believe his lies.  Sadly *I* am not the one laughing at you guys today... nibbknot is.  He has out-trolled the best of you and you fell for it, all because he used the one company you'd believe it about.

Not true and masterful trolling my ass. The things he said, like "Josh is not gay, he's bi" or "Sonny fucked the girls from the production line" sound more like irrelevant bullshit from a crazy person than credible information.

He could be your alternate user account so you could troll people with misinformation about BFL and to make yourself seem smart in other people's eyes by revealing the "masterful trolling" you wrote yourself.

[nibbknot]

I just read Josh's posts and see he stated we are using grade D... I thought I heard B... my fault.

Here's a legitimate question:  BFL had that PCB rev with the power resistors on it to characterize the DC/DC regulation on their board months ago. Tell me, what the fuck exactly were they doing with that board to have made it this far only to realize "Oh, shit.  There's not enough copper in the power planes to handle all this current!"?  This is an even greater WTF moment when you consider the fact that Josh claims the BFL 28nm chip has come in under the expected power draw.

What kind of shitty Engineers is BFL employing or contracting that you continue to have these elementary problems?  Surely you have the answers since you're an employee of that trainwreck

The only answer I have is that up until the chips were put onto the boards, I had nothing to do with them.  I cannot speak for what happened outside of my purview.

I guess that somewhat explains why you weren't doing any assembling at the other assembling facility that made miners for the industrial clients.

You really should have quit while you were ahead.  I applaud your detective work in guessing I work there and throwing that out like a Hail Mary, which got caught.  I know now you never worked there, mainly because you've not once corrected the deviations I made to what really happened there.  I said 4000 boards, which was not quite true, yet you parroted me and claimed it also was 4000.  Your lies are becoming more and more far-fetched as you try to keep the spotlight focused on you.  Good luck keeping your fickle audience, I'm putting you on ignore.  Your trust rating will soon dive when people realize you took money for lying.

So far, the only evidence against anything nibbknot has claimed is BCP issuing sweeping counterclaims. Once again, white knighting BFL. The only difference being that BCP is no longer shilling now that he has admitted to being an official representative of BFL.

When a representative of BFL claims 4000 boards, only to later laugh and say it wasn't 4000 boards, that merely continues the streak of blatant misinformation put forth by BFL. It doesn't cast aspersions on anyone other than BFL. Let me guess, next you are going to say 2 more weeks and then laugh at us when it isn't read in 2 weeks?

Since the actual number of boards produced during that time was in fact well over 8000, I truly expected nibbknott to call me out for lying, but he didn't.  So here's a point to consider... if we had in deed produced these 8000 boards as Monarchs, that would have been ~8PH of Imperial Monarchs.  From Feb 1 to Mar 1 the hash rate only grew by ~7PH... are you actually going to tell me you believe BFL was solely responsible for the growth in Feb?

On top of the above, my Trans Am is not Orange, it's actually called Russet and looks Brown, again he didn't call me out on it.  There's no one named Bob working there (never was), yet he let also that one slip by.  Like I said, masterfully done, he not only trolled me, but he trolled the entire forum as well, who were gullible enough to believe his lies.  Sadly *I* am not the one laughing at you guys today... nibbknot is.  He has out-trolled the best of you and you fell for it, all because he used the one company you'd believe it about.

Brilliant! Since I didn't call you out on the color of your car or on some guy named Bob or the exact number of some boards, I'm the one lying you come out like a rose.

[nibbknot]

Not true and masterful trolling my ass. The things he said, like "Josh is not gay, he's bi" or "Sonny fucked the girls from the production line" sound more like irrelevant bullshit from a crazy person than credible information.

He could be your alternate user account so you could troll people with misinformation about BFL and to make yourself seem smart in other people's eyes by revealing the "masterful trolling" you wrote yourself.

Believe what you well, but I truly believe that Nibbknot is PG. Notice you haven't seen Bruno Kucinskas around for awhile have you? All indicators point to Nibbknot being Phinnaeus Gage. Believe what you want. You may still consider me a shill, but at least in my heart of hearts I know I'm telling the truth. I'm done with this guy.

[MrTeal]

Believe what you well, but I truly believe that Nibbknot is PG. Notice you haven't seen Bruno Kucinskas around for awhile have you? All indicators point to Nibbknot being Phinnaeus Gage. Believe what you want. You may still consider me a shill, but at least in my heart of hearts I know I'm telling the truth. I'm done with this guy.

Posting from the wrong account, are we?

[Xian01]

Believe what you well, but I truly believe that Nibbknot is PG. Notice you haven't seen Bruno Kucinskas around for awhile have you? All indicators point to Nibbknot being Phinnaeus Gage. Believe what you want. You may still consider me a shill, but at least in my heart of hearts I know I'm telling the truth. I'm done with this guy.

[vulgartrendkill]

Isn`t that just a bit too convenient?

As soon as folk start mentioning PG, suddenly this pops up.

I`m done with these guys, its all smoke and mirrors.

And  thought as a community we were supposed to stick together!!

[ChuckBuck]

Believe what you well, but I truly believe that Nibbknot is PG. Notice you haven't seen Bruno Kucinskas around for awhile have you? All indicators point to Nibbknot being Phinnaeus Gage. Believe what you want. You may still consider me a shill, but at least in my heart of hearts I know I'm telling the truth. I'm done with this guy.

How many alt accounts do you have, PG?

Just endless possibilities for trolling, but obviously the same forum "voice" style.  

[Chopperman]

BFL - a company driven by sociopaths, greed, dishonesty and above all, incompetence.
BFL shills & trolls - sociopaths blinded by their own incompetence.
Monarch chips - late to the party
Monarch PCBs - up to revision "O", still not verified working at full speed, not likely to be FCC or CE compliant.

[QuiveringGibbage]

i'd hate to be called a BFL shill... but BFL delivered my Monarch.. some what.. in the Cloud that is..

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1EnHrZYB8Bi6Pq41wDMmZdCRCshEvhH3cW

"... a courtesy to customers who have been waiting the longest, we will provision these boards in a hosted environment (BFL Cloud Mining facilities), equal to the original processing power you ordered. ..." - BFL Cloud Mining

BFL delivered me a cloud..?!

QG

BFL Monarch, in the Cloud.. (600GHs) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=666528.0

Cheers,
QG

[LittleD]

i'd hate to be called a BFL shill... but BFL delivered my Monarch.. some what.. in the Cloud that is..

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1EnHrZYB8Bi6Pq41wDMmZdCRCshEvhH3cW

"... a courtesy to customers who have been waiting the longest, we will provision these boards in a hosted environment (BFL Cloud Mining facilities), equal to the original processing power you ordered. ..." - BFL Cloud Mining

BFL delivered me a cloud..?!

QG

BFL Monarch, in the Cloud.. (600GHs) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=666528.0

Cheers,
QG

Wellllll................... good for YOU buddy

[AnonBitcoinBuyer]

Believe what you well, but I truly believe that Nibbknot is PG. Notice you haven't seen Bruno Kucinskas around for awhile have you? All indicators point to Nibbknot being Phinnaeus Gage. Believe what you want. You may still consider me a shill, but at least in my heart of hearts I know I'm telling the truth. I'm done with this guy.

Uh, why are you arguing with yourself?  I mean, besides the obvious reason.

[Syke]

i'd hate to be called a BFL shill... but BFL delivered my Monarch.. some what.. in the Cloud that is..

Sorry to hear about that. Why didn't you request a refund? Even BFL employees were smart enough to request a refund.

[smoothie]

How do you know they are actually mining for you and not just creating payouts to simulate mining?

lol 

[bcp19]

I just read Josh's posts and see he stated we are using grade D... I thought I heard B... my fault.

Even so, any wafer those "D" came from will not have grade "A" if A means going that much faster than what these are doing.

Besides, the logic of this exercise this escapes me somewhat. BFL must have thousands of these chips, surely using TWO grade A chips isn't going to make a lick of difference in terms of supply?
Which school of business did the decision makers study to use the worst hardware they have on the shelf and then use that to demonstrate the functionality of an upcoming product? If they have A grade chips they would be able to clock them way higher without actually drawing more power through the PCB. And without a hilarious error rate. Having a board hashing at slightly more proper speed and with a low error rate might stem the flow of refund requests a little, at least. Seems worth using a tiny fraction of a percentage of A chips.

But, according to you, they don't want to waste any of the "good" chips on a demo. They must really be short on A grade chips. Do they even have two?
Any info from BFL is difficult to take seriously these days, but if it makes as little sense as this I'm confident to call it nothing but pure undiluted BS.

There are none so blind as those who will not see....

The PCBs currently in hand (there were several hundred of this revision made) cannot support speeds above ~550GH with "A" chips due to heat constraints (copper layer chiefest among them).  Choices... throw away all these boards or build them with lower grade chips and use them for the cloud hashing Josh posted about (and I see at least one forum member is currently using).  While I have no idea what the "D" chips can run at, they do run fast enough for this purpose.  Why waste grade A chips on an inferior board?  Why push the board beyond it's limits just cause the chip can handle it?  The increase in power to run the chips faster causes a greater current draw and therefore a higher W/GH rating.  Why waste the extra electricity for a few extra GH?

[Chopperman]

i'd hate to be called a BFL shill... but BFL delivered my Monarch.. some what.. in the Cloud that is..


BFL Monarch, in the Cloud.. (600GHs) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=666528.0

Cheers,
QG

You must be so relieved to finally get that bad boy hashing for you.
Estimated earnings:  0.02245561 per day.   (about $13).    ROI estimate - never ...

Customers who weren't at the head of the queue,   estimated earnings around 0.01 BT per day likely.

[Chopperman]

How do you know they are actually mining for you and not just creating payouts to simulate mining?

lol 

Especially as the deployed boards are most likely 360GH (same as demonstrated) and the allocated GH is showing very close to 600GH with some variance.      The math don't add up unless all boards are underclocked to 300 GHash.

Someone should try pointing their units at another pool so the BFL pool software can't fudge the numbers.

[Zelek Uther]

Believe what you well, but I truly believe that Nibbknot is PG. Notice you haven't seen Bruno Kucinskas around for awhile have you? All indicators point to Nibbknot being Phinnaeus Gage. Believe what you want. You may still consider me a shill, but at least in my heart of hearts I know I'm telling the truth. I'm done with this guy.

Posting from the wrong account, are we?

Anyone care to guess what is happening here?

Did bcp19 just post using his alternate nibbknot account?
Or is nibbknot someone else's alt account?

[Unacceptable]

Anyone care to guess what is happening here?

Did bcp19 just post using his alternate nibbknot account?
Or is nibbknot someone else's alt account?

Me thinks we got seriously trolled by BCP19  

[ABitNut]

nibbknot is obviously someone's alt account. Their agenda is very unclear. It could be bcp going through great lengths to get some info out while making sure it will not be connected to him. That seems far fetched though.

I changed my mind about nibbknot being Phinnaeus Gage. I don't think it's PG. PG was last active the 17th. nibbknot registered the 21st. Also, if Phinnaeus Gage was posting as nibbknot what would stop him from also keeping his other posts going? Probably PG is on some hiatus. And that is a separate mystery.

There's so much smoke I can't even see the mirrors!

[Bicknellski]

On top of the above, my Trans Am...

Explains a lot.

China and Russia own the network all while the focus of BFL is on shills and diversions. 3000 units a day coming off a single line and 1 Mega Watt mining farms being readied for miners right now in China with the lowest power and purpose built mining infrastructure costs in the world. BFL and Eclipse are only very minor players in the bitcoin world. Overpriced and inefficient BFL chips will never be a significant part of the network ever again BFL will fade and be relegated to sidelines of the mining bitcoin economy. They are insignificant now but the community as a whole here hasn't realized it yet I guess?

[ABitNut]

On top of the above, my Trans Am...

Explains a lot.

China and Russia own the network all while the focus of BFL is on shills and diversions. 3000 units a day coming off a single line and 1Mega Watt mining farms being readied for miners right now in China with the lowest power and purpose mining built infrastructure costs in the world. BFL and Eclipse are only very minor players in the bitcoin world. Overpriced and inefficient BFL chips will never be a significant part of the network ever again BFL will fade and be relegated to sidelines of the mining bitcoin economy. They are insignificant now but the community as a whole here hasn't realized it yet I guess?

BFL owns the pre-order (imho scam) market. Until another company steals that position from the anti pre-order crusade will focus on them.

[Searing]

i'd hate to be called a BFL shill... but BFL delivered my Monarch.. some what.. in the Cloud that is..

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1EnHrZYB8Bi6Pq41wDMmZdCRCshEvhH3cW

"... a courtesy to customers who have been waiting the longest, we will provision these boards in a hosted environment (BFL Cloud Mining facilities), equal to the original processing power you ordered. ..." - BFL Cloud Mining

BFL delivered me a cloud..?!

QG

BFL Monarch, in the Cloud.. (600GHs) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=666528.0

Cheers,
QG

so did you pay the full price monarch i forget the orig price? ($4695?) plus a wire xfer fee or btc?

so you will get what 1 btc out of the unit maybe 2 btc? (w/o counting electric)

yeah BFL they are a 'peach' of a company

Searing

[Bicknellski]

BFL owns the pre-order (imho scam) market. Until another company steals that position from the anti pre-order crusade will focus on them.

Just keep it in perspective. They are a very minor part of the network. Agreed they are worthy of being called out on their BS but to be honest they are already in decline and consumer based mining will be flooded with faster, better designed Chinese fabricators. They are done.

[Swimmer63]

Believe what you well, but I truly believe that Nibbknot is PG. Notice you haven't seen Bruno Kucinskas around for awhile have you? All indicators point to Nibbknot being Phinnaeus Gage. Believe what you want. You may still consider me a shill, but at least in my heart of hearts I know I'm telling the truth. I'm done with this guy.

Add this guy to the same psych ward as Josh and diagnose his issues with previous list.  It's from Wikipedia.  I'm sure we can classify him without a real doctor.
Then we can find out what kind of sweet job he has that he can spend all day bitching at himself through various alt personalities.  Of course from a social perspective this is very sad and his life has to be beyond dull.  Dude needs a girlfriend or boyfriend or a dog or something.
Classic.  Has to be a "best of thread" on here somewhere.

[DrG]

Jeebus, the trolls are trolling themselves or might even have multiple personality disorder.  Could you imagine somebody screwing up their brain posting so much garbage as different alts they lose their own identity.... Karma served.

[Searing]

Jeebus, the trolls are trolling themselves or might even have multiple personality disorder.  Could you imagine somebody screwing up their brain posting so much garbage as different alts they lose their own identity.... Karma served.

I've met Karma...Karma introduced me to BTC at the party in question BFL was there..only affordable 'supposed' asic mnfg at the time....Karma is a bitch! Not a big fan of Karma!

er then again Karma introduced me to KNC got my Jupiter 550gh then Karma made KNC into a mini-bfl....again Karma is a bitch!

Karma only likes 'fast lies on asic equip" imho...so gonna go far far away from Karma's charms on 'pretty miner see the nice lcd's"

(i miss my innocent noobie youth of thinking I'd get my BFL miner in '2 weeks!" TM ah last summer when I was an optimist!

alas

Searing

[emu512]

I think the Monarch is a long way till we have it in our hands and mining.

[Unacceptable]

Jeebus, the trolls are trolling themselves or might even have multiple personality disorder.  Could you imagine somebody screwing up their brain posting so much garbage as different alts they lose their own identity.... Karma served.

I've met Karma...Karma introduced me to BTC at the party in question BFL was there..only affordable 'supposed' asic mnfg at the time....Karma is a bitch! Not a big fan of Karma!

er then again Karma introduced me to KNC got my Jupiter 550gh then Karma made KNC into a mini-bfl....again Karma is a bitch!

Karma only likes 'fast lies on asic equip" imho...so gonna go far far away from Karma's charms on 'pretty miner see the nice lcd's"

(i miss my innocent noobie youth of thinking I'd get my BFL miner in '2 weeks!" TM ah last summer when I was an optimist!

alas

Searing

Did you learn anything Searing   I don't think you did,you just got REALLY lucky with your first round of KnC.....how's that Titan workin 

[QuiveringGibbage]

I guess i should post the rest of the email before people draw too many conclusions..

Code:

Dear Jason,

Thanks for being a Butterfly Labs customer. Your patience and loyalty are 
greatly appreciated.

While we wait for the 1TH revision of the PCB to make it through manufacturing, 
we have a supply of boards that do not meet the desired specs and thus are not 
suitable to be shipped directly to customers. However, with this limited 
quantity of boards, we can deliver processing power remotely to some customers.

Although we are under no legal obligation to do so, as a courtesy to customers 
who have been waiting the longest, we will provision these boards in a hosted 
environment (BFL Cloud Mining facilities), equal to the original processing 
power you ordered. Cloud Mining will be deployed in queue order and since you 
are receiving this email, you are eligible at no cost to you (we pick up the tab 
for hosting and electricity). Once the new 1TH boards arrive and assembly and 
delivery has begun, we will ship your full original order plus previously 
announced upgrade, and free Cloud Mining will be terminated.

If you are interested in receiving Cloud Mining while we wait for board 
revisions, click the link below to activate your free temporary Cloud Mining 
account.

Activate Cloud Mining 
<link removed>

BFL Cloud Mining

Question: Did you decide to post about it on this forum from your own idea or did BFL ask you to post about it?? 
Chopperman wonders because BFL asked early 65nm customers to post when their order came, and many did.

my own idea.

QG

[bcp19]

Me thinks we got seriously trolled by BCP19  

While I have no problem trolling people for their stupidity, I detest people who lie(like Bick).  Obviously you cannot appreciate the fact that I have never lied in response to a direct question.  When I put facts down, I have done my research and when I have made a mistake, I have owned up to it.  Personally I see 2 possibilities here... PG does tend to be over the top a lot and the writing style is kind of like his, but after seeing his renewed diatribes today I realized who else was missing from the majority of the whole nibbknot debacle... Bick.  For someone who tosses manure as much as he does, I'm kind of amazed he steered clear of this...  Theymos and possibly the moderators can compare IP address of the posts and see the truth, but I'm sure if asked they'd rattle on about the legality of revealing confidential information.  

[Searing]

Jeebus, the trolls are trolling themselves or might even have multiple personality disorder.  Could you imagine somebody screwing up their brain posting so much garbage as different alts they lose their own identity.... Karma served.

I've met Karma...Karma introduced me to BTC at the party in question BFL was there..only affordable 'supposed' asic mnfg at the time....Karma is a bitch! Not a big fan of Karma!

er then again Karma introduced me to KNC got my Jupiter 550gh then Karma made KNC into a mini-bfl....again Karma is a bitch!

Karma only likes 'fast lies on asic equip" imho...so gonna go far far away from Karma's charms on 'pretty miner see the nice lcd's"

(i miss my innocent noobie youth of thinking I'd get my BFL miner in '2 weeks!" TM ah last summer when I was an optimist!

alas

Searing

Did you learn anything Searing  I don't think you did,you just got REALLY lucky with your first round of KnC.....how's that Titan workin  

well the Titan was i admit an 'unfortunate' impluse buy by me when KNC had morals...as soon as I got it ..they went the BFL path..we will see although knowing how people think and speculation on alt coins was better then the Neptune that they just delivered now so it coulda been worse imho..but yeah likely shoulda just took the refund

but as to current equipment again I did get an sp30 for the simple reason (due to circumstances explained here backed into being a legal miner in usa it sucks by the by)

anyway can get in equip depreciation 25% of the equip costs real $$$ applied to taxes due....back on the Titan and the Sp30..my usb 333mh card (heh)..so will likely by some modest equip next year for that reason in that if I keep it light a 25% off what I'd have to pay IRS anyway may make some equip make sense..but this is my unique (cough damn it) situation
I find myself in (although not p/off the IRS does make ones feet dance lighter on this earth!)

but yeah...setting aside the Titan which may or may not be really stupid...the sp30 and other stuff i can depreciate here (with equip depreciation i can use from last year,next year, etc)

I should be fine..but I'm stuck as a legal miner.....so kinda only unique thing that makes some kinda sense getting the sp30 ...other people shoulda/coulda imho if they
plan to tell IRS of their mining wait till imho it is 'fixed' to a more reasonable method in 2015 and at that point just say 'by golly 2015 was a good year for me as a newbie!"

fess up then (or not) at that point when they actually get some sense and congress goes back to treating it as a currency ..and not 'land/property'

me too many failed bank xfers..had to 'get legal' so coulda been much worse....(IRS was kept at bay.....so I count myself lucky in what shoulda been a very bad situation)

so again my situation is unique (with exception of the Titan which may or may not have been a good deal) I only know of 2 other guys in my boat one runs a pawn shop
the other runs a shop gold/silver etc..they are legal because they are looked at closely on this kinda thing..but besides the above just 'go dark' till rules change imho

but anyway except for using some equip deprecation $$$ in my (forced to) home biz in next few years ...www.coinbase.com is looking to be a more 'leisurely' way to
aquire coin in the future so yeah you have a point! Although IF they do change the law in 2015 back the way it was before (equip is your cost/risk BTC is a coin...only pay 20%
capital gains on profit IF YOU sell the coin etc

Well I may be lucky again and look like a Genius (I back into that a lot) in that according to my CPA I still could run out the equip depreciation of 2013 and 2014 of the
amounts/percentages above ie likely she said likely would be 'grandfathered in' so to speak

But yeah dumb/stupid/daring and reckless is getting old www.coinbase.com is looking very very good to me for the future

and again I've heard this said before hopefully ...at some point say 5 years from now it will be less of an issue of HOW you got BTC now (2014) in that the fact
you DID get BTC now in 2014...you may have picked the wrong horse (equip) vs (BTC purchase) but dang it you at least got the dang horsies now! heh

(well a guy can dream right?)


Searing

[JCviggen]

There are none so blind as those who will not see....

Indeed.

The PCBs currently in hand (there were several hundred of this revision made) cannot support speeds above ~550GH with "A" chips due to heat constraints

So instead of showing 550GH to their patient customers, it's a better idea to show 350 with a 10% error rate? Right.
I'm calling BS on the 550 number, as there is no reason to publish pictures of a "Monarch hashing!" performing poorly if all it takes is 2 good chips off the shelf to show something approximating advertised performance.

By all means the particular board being shown is a test board that is not going to be sold anyway. Who cares about all the bad boards, it only takes one to demo. Why publish only pics of a bad board if there was at least one board that once did 550? How else would anyone be able to claim they can do 550 if it was never done? More "theoretical performance" ? Bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit.

Why push the board beyond it's limits just cause the chip can handle it?  The increase in power to run the chips faster causes a greater current draw and therefore a higher W/GH rating.  Why waste the extra electricity for a few extra GH?

The first part is funny, because the picture that was published shows a monarch that is already being run well beyond its limit. 9 percent HW errors + a bunch of rejects is evidence to that. So you were saying?

The second part is erroneous because either way with two of those mythical A chips at least you could SHOW a Monarch working at reasonable speed with reasonable error rates, without pushing the PCB any harder. Better chips run higher clocks with less voltage. Right now BFL has shown nothing but a half broken product, half a year behind schedule. True to historical form I suppose.

[Swimmer63]

While I have no problem trolling people for their stupidity, I detest people who lie(like Bick).  Obviously you cannot appreciate the fact that I have never lied in response to a direct question.  When I put facts down, I have done my research and when I have made a mistake, I have owned up to it.  Personally I see 2 possibilities here... PG does tend to be over the top a lot and the writing style is kind of like his, but after seeing his renewed diatribes today I realized who else was missing from the majority of the whole nibbknot debacle... Bick.  For someone who tosses manure as much as he does, I'm kind of amazed he steered clear of this...  Theymos and possibly the moderators can compare IP address of the posts and see the truth, but I'm sure if asked they'd rattle on about the legality of revealing confidential information.  

Well for the first time I'm going to see if this ignore button works.

[Xian01]

Obviously you cannot appreciate the fact that I have never lied in response to a direct question.

No trolling. I hope you can appreciate we cannot appreciate that.

[AnonBitcoinBuyer]

I have never lied in response to a direct question.

Direct question, are you nibbknot?

[Flying Hellfish]

  Obviously you cannot appreciate the fact that I have never lied in response to a direct question. 

But you have lied on the forums, you know like when you first arrived here and claimed to be a fucking genius with a 120+ IQ, or the fact that you hid your BFL association and agenda for months.  Yup you're a lying, misleading sack of shit but you can be proud you have never lied to a direct question, fucking idiot.

[Chopperman]

I have never lied in response to a direct question.

Direct question, do you consider yourself an ethical person?
Direct question, are there any unethical things you have done in conjunction with BFL?
Direct question, do you know of unethical things BFL is doing or has done without your help?
Direct question, do you know of unethical things BFL is planning on doing?
Direct question, do you have, and which are your sockpuppet accounts?
Direct question, do you know which are BFL and Josh's / Inaba's sockpuppet accounts?
Direct question, how do you feel working for the most incompetent hardware company in bitCoin world?
Direct question, are you just a simple employee of BFL, or is there some other arrangement (profit sharing/stock/part owner)?
Direct question, what was your motive in working for BFL?
Direct question, are you going to continue to work for BFL once your current task is done?
Direct question, is your Monarch refund being handled the same way as any other customer's would be?

[bcp19]

I have never lied in response to a direct question.

Direct question, are you nibbknot?

No.

[bcp19]

  Obviously you cannot appreciate the fact that I have never lied in response to a direct question. 

But you have lied on the forums, you know like when you first arrived here and claimed to be a fucking genius with a 120+ IQ, or the fact that you hid your BFL association and agenda for months.  Yup you're a lying, misleading sack of shit but you can be proud you have never lied to a direct question, fucking idiot.

I never used the word genius in reference to myself and I never lied about my IQ.

[bcp19]

I have never lied in response to a direct question.

Direct question, do you consider yourself an ethical person?
Direct question, are there any unethical things you have done in conjunction with BFL?
Direct question, do you know of unethical things BFL is doing or has done without your help?
Direct question, do you know of unethical things BFL is planning on doing?
Direct question, do you have, and which are your sockpuppet accounts?
Direct question, do you know which are BFL and Josh's / Inaba's sockpuppet accounts?
Direct question, how do you feel working for the most incompetent hardware company in bitCoin world?
Direct question, are you just a simple employee of BFL, or is there some other arrangement (profit sharing/stock/part owner)?
Direct question, what was your motive in working for BFL?
Direct question, are you going to continue to work for BFL once your current task is done?
Direct question, is your Monarch refund being handled the same way as any other customer's would be?

Yes, No, No, No, No, No, Frustrated mostly, Simple employee, Pay for car repair, Not sure, I waited until it was 6 months old to request it and beyond that I waited.

[Syke]

Direct question, is your Monarch refund being handled the same way as any other customer's would be?

I waited until it was 6 months old to request it and beyond that I waited.

You conveniently left off that you received your refund before other customers who requested their refunds before you. Lies of ommision are still lies.

[bcp19]

Direct question, is your Monarch refund being handled the same way as any other customer's would be?

I waited until it was 6 months old to request it and beyond that I waited.

You conveniently left off that you received your refund before other customers who requested their refunds before you. Lies of ommision are still lies.

That was out of my hands.  I am not the one who makes those decisions.  My father worked at Lowes, he got an employee discount, maybe it is a similar thing, I did not ask.

[Syke]

Direct question, is your Monarch refund being handled the same way as any other customer's would be?

I waited until it was 6 months old to request it and beyond that I waited.

You conveniently left off that you received your refund before other customers who requested their refunds before you. Lies of ommision are still lies.

That was out of my hands.  I am not the one who makes those decisions.  My father worked at Lowes, he got an employee discount, maybe it is a similar thing, I did not ask.

Yeah, you see the question was asked? You failed to answer truthfully. We all know your refund was not handled "as any other customer's would be".

[bcp19]

Direct question, is your Monarch refund being handled the same way as any other customer's would be?

I waited until it was 6 months old to request it and beyond that I waited.

You conveniently left off that you received your refund before other customers who requested their refunds before you. Lies of ommision are still lies.

That was out of my hands.  I am not the one who makes those decisions.  My father worked at Lowes, he got an employee discount, maybe it is a similar thing, I did not ask.

Yeah, you see the question was asked? You failed to answer truthfully. We all know your refund was not handled "as any other customer's would be".

As an employee, I am not like any other customer, so the question is really invalid.  The only customers I could compare myself to are other employees who purchased and requested refunds and as far as I can tell I received no favorable handling over any of them.

[Syke]

Direct question, is your Monarch refund being handled the same way as any other customer's would be?

I waited until it was 6 months old to request it and beyond that I waited.

You conveniently left off that you received your refund before other customers who requested their refunds before you. Lies of ommision are still lies.

That was out of my hands.  I am not the one who makes those decisions.  My father worked at Lowes, he got an employee discount, maybe it is a similar thing, I did not ask.

Yeah, you see the question was asked? You failed to answer truthfully. We all know your refund was not handled "as any other customer's would be".

As an employee, I am not like any other customer, so the question is really invalid.  The only customers I could compare myself to are other employees who purchased and requested refunds and as far as I can tell I received no favorable handling over any of them.

The question is quite valid. A truthful response would be "No, my refund was not handled like other customers, because I'm an employee."

[bcp19]

There are none so blind as those who will not see....

Indeed.

The PCBs currently in hand (there were several hundred of this revision made) cannot support speeds above ~550GH with "A" chips due to heat constraints

So instead of showing 550GH to their patient customers, it's a better idea to show 350 with a 10% error rate? Right.
I'm calling BS on the 550 number, as there is no reason to publish pictures of a "Monarch hashing!" performing poorly if all it takes is 2 good chips off the shelf to show something approximating advertised performance.

By all means the particular board being shown is a test board that is not going to be sold anyway. Who cares about all the bad boards, it only takes one to demo. Why publish only pics of a bad board if there was at least one board that once did 550? How else would anyone be able to claim they can do 550 if it was never done? More "theoretical performance" ? Bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit.

Why push the board beyond it's limits just cause the chip can handle it?  The increase in power to run the chips faster causes a greater current draw and therefore a higher W/GH rating.  Why waste the extra electricity for a few extra GH?

The first part is funny, because the picture that was published shows a monarch that is already being run well beyond its limit. 9 percent HW errors + a bunch of rejects is evidence to that. So you were saying?

The second part is erroneous because either way with two of those mythical A chips at least you could SHOW a Monarch working at reasonable speed with reasonable error rates, without pushing the PCB any harder. Better chips run higher clocks with less voltage. Right now BFL has shown nothing but a half broken product, half a year behind schedule. True to historical form I suppose.

Many of the original boards got damaged from heat and are unusable, but I guess that's not a consideration for someone like you. This Rev N board came in today though:

[Xian01]

There are none so blind as those who will not see....

Indeed.

The PCBs currently in hand (there were several hundred of this revision made) cannot support speeds above ~550GH with "A" chips due to heat constraints

So instead of showing 550GH to their patient customers, it's a better idea to show 350 with a 10% error rate? Right.
I'm calling BS on the 550 number, as there is no reason to publish pictures of a "Monarch hashing!" performing poorly if all it takes is 2 good chips off the shelf to show something approximating advertised performance.

By all means the particular board being shown is a test board that is not going to be sold anyway. Who cares about all the bad boards, it only takes one to demo. Why publish only pics of a bad board if there was at least one board that once did 550? How else would anyone be able to claim they can do 550 if it was never done? More "theoretical performance" ? Bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit.

Why push the board beyond it's limits just cause the chip can handle it?  The increase in power to run the chips faster causes a greater current draw and therefore a higher W/GH rating.  Why waste the extra electricity for a few extra GH?

The first part is funny, because the picture that was published shows a monarch that is already being run well beyond its limit. 9 percent HW errors + a bunch of rejects is evidence to that. So you were saying?

The second part is erroneous because either way with two of those mythical A chips at least you could SHOW a Monarch working at reasonable speed with reasonable error rates, without pushing the PCB any harder. Better chips run higher clocks with less voltage. Right now BFL has shown nothing but a half broken product, half a year behind schedule. True to historical form I suppose.

Many of the original boards got damaged from heat and are unusable, but I guess that's not a consideration for someone like you. This Rev N board came in today though:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/the-monarch-discussion/8558-whos-had-their-cloud-hashing-email-5.html#post83353



*mumbles something about BFGMiner being used, as suspected*

[-ck]

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/the-monarch-discussion/8558-whos-had-their-cloud-hashing-email-5.html#post83353



*mumbles something about BFGMiner being used, as suspected*

I thought it was common knowledge that luke-jr was being employed by bfl for his involvement?

Anyway I was only recently contacted by bfl regarding creating a cgminer driver and only got remote access to a monarch dev board 2 days ago. The one I have access to is only doing 386GH and >8% errors. You can see the cgminer driver I'm developing on my git branch bflsc28.

[Xian01]

I thought it was common knowledge that luke-jr was being employed by bfl for his involvement?

Point being, the statement from our favorite character is disingenuous at best.

[Bicknellski]

I thought it was common knowledge that luke-jr was being employed by bfl for his involvement?

Point being, the statement from our favorite character is disingenuous at best.

The real question is when did Luke Jr. get something to work on... December 2013 or earlier? That be telling wouldn't it now?

[k9quaint]

I thought it was common knowledge that luke-jr was being employed by bfl for his involvement?

Point being, the statement from our favorite character is disingenuous at best.

The real question is when did Luke Jr. get something to work on... December 2013 or earlier? That be telling wouldn't it now?

The story has been told already. BFL already admitted to the court they mine with their customers equipment. BCP hid his employment with BFL to shill here. BFL Monarchs won't ship to customers until July 2014 at the earliest (any shenanigans with Luke aside). BFL bought houses and cars for their employees with the pre-order money. Josh likes guys (not that there is anything wrong with that , the Monarch will never generate a positive ROI.

Seriously, what else is there to come out? Time has told, BFL is a train wreck. The court system has started grinding on them. 

[vulgartrendkill]

I thought it was common knowledge that luke-jr was being employed by bfl for his involvement?

Point being, the statement from our favorite character is disingenuous at best.

The real question is when did Luke Jr. get something to work on... December 2013 or earlier? That be telling wouldn't it now?

The story has been told already. BFL already admitted to the court they mine with their customers equipment. BCP hid his employment with BFL to shill here. BFL Monarchs won't ship to customers until July 2014 at the earliest (any shenanigans with Luke aside). BFL bought houses and cars for their employees with the pre-order money. Josh likes guys (not that there is anything wrong with that , the Monarch will never generate a positive ROI.

Seriously, what else is there to come out? Time has told, BFL is a train wreck. The court system has started grinding on them. 

But thats just it, BFL have been incredibly successful.  Only us lowly little customers have suffered. 

[Blazed]

It is pretty amazing how after the first go around and the lateness that people ordered these Monarchs and expected them on time.  I almost feel bad for them because most were probably new customers and did not read up before buying?  I know that 90% of all ASIC sold do not ROI, but these really lost coins.

[Swimmer63]

It is pretty amazing how after the first go around and the lateness that people ordered these Monarchs and expected them on time.  I almost feel bad for them because most were probably new customers and did not read up before buying?  I know that 90% of all ASIC sold do not ROI, but these really lost coins.

Good point.  And with each passing day there are another couple hundred new enthusiasts for them prey on.
I would be curious to know how many new orders for the monarch they get a day even now.

[Searing]

I thought it was common knowledge that luke-jr was being employed by bfl for his involvement?

Point being, the statement from our favorite character is disingenuous at best.

The real question is when did Luke Jr. get something to work on... December 2013 or earlier? That be telling wouldn't it now?

The story has been told already. BFL already admitted to the court they mine with their customers equipment. BCP hid his employment with BFL to shill here. BFL Monarchs won't ship to customers until July 2014 at the earliest (any shenanigans with Luke aside). BFL bought houses and cars for their employees with the pre-order money. Josh likes guys (not that there is anything wrong with that , the Monarch will never generate a positive ROI.

Seriously, what else is there to come out? Time has told, BFL is a train wreck. The court system has started grinding on them. 

It is getting to a point where a monarch (counting elec costs) will NEVER even manage to make 1 BTC at the rate this fiasco is going....

(again so much for usa consumer protection BFL shoulda been shut down a LONG time ago imho)

re-read above still can't believe the only 1 BTC (if you are lucky) a monarch MAY make...but knowing BFL they will even miss that target!

Searing

[Unacceptable]

I thought it was common knowledge that luke-jr was being employed by bfl for his involvement?

Point being, the statement from our favorite character is disingenuous at best.

The real question is when did Luke Jr. get something to work on... December 2013 or earlier? That be telling wouldn't it now?

The story has been told already. BFL already admitted to the court they mine with their customers equipment. BCP hid his employment with BFL to shill here. BFL Monarchs won't ship to customers until July 2014 at the earliest (any shenanigans with Luke aside). BFL bought houses and cars for their employees with the pre-order money. Josh likes guys (not that there is anything wrong with that , the Monarch will never generate a positive ROI.

Seriously, what else is there to come out? Time has told, BFL is a train wreck. The court system has started grinding on them. 

It is getting to a point where a monarch (counting elec costs) will NEVER even manage to make 1 BTC at the rate this fiasco is going....

(again so much for usa consumer protection BFL shoulda been shut down a LONG time ago imho)

re-read above still can't believe the only 1 BTC (if you are lucky) a monarch MAY make...but knowing BFL they will even miss that target!

Searing

That's the "New World Order" for ya......take as much as you can from as many as you can......mainly in the USA,but others are taking notes & applying the learned knowledge all over the world   

[Searing]

It is pretty amazing how after the first go around and the lateness that people ordered these Monarchs and expected them on time.  I almost feel bad for them because most were probably new customers and did not read up before buying?  I know that 90% of all ASIC sold do not ROI, but these really lost coins.

Good point.  And with each passing day there are another couple hundred new enthusiasts for them prey on.
I would be curious to know how many new orders for the monarch they get a day even now.

on the topic of 'turnover' not the newbie's being sucked into BFL yet as we speak...but is BFL still honoring if you don't get your monarch in 6 months and 1 day
and you get a refund ..or did they 'whip up the scam' GH hosting while you wait..so they can wiggle out of giving you a refund?

my guess is you can't get a refund if BFL is hashing for you at this point (hope I'm wrong for everyones sake)

man I soooo squeaked out that refund due to sonny v's probation hearing the small claims court action

but I bet BFL is not honoring it anymore (I'm guessing here till told otheriwise) due to the fact I've heard of 'very little' pressure on them by the authorities
that are supposed to regulate such things and not a lot from the small claims court stuff

so imho BFL has squirmed away again and plotting new stuff

again hope I'm wrong but my current guess is if they hash for your monarch (even w/o your permission just ask for your address) they will say that their
terms have been fufilled and you are out of luck for the refund when/if they hit that stage of your spot in line

hey "its what BFL does.."Take all my bitcoins" TM

Searing

(tell me it has not really gone to this level er yet?)

[vulgartrendkill]

The funny (or infuriating) thing is, there is a posibility that if you do take up their offer of "cloud mining" your gear might be one of the units providing hashes.

[Bicknellski]

The funny (or infuriating) thing is, there is a posibility that if you do take up their offer of "cloud mining" your gear might be one of the units providing hashes.

Exactly ponzi ponzi ponzi. Rinse and repeat of the 2012-2013 timeline for the 65nm stuff.

[DrG]

I swear it's 2013 repeating itself all over again, just with a 1 month delay.  They'll start trickling out 1 unit a day onto that USPS truck parked out back 

[LittleD]

Quote Originally Posted by BFL_Josh View Post

The new prototype board that we simulated will get us to the 1TH performance level has been delayed into this coming week by our PCB supplier. We continue to work closely with them and expect the new prototype will be ready towards the latter part of the week. BFL staff will be on location at the board manufacturer so we can literally start testing as soon as the first prototype’s last component goes on.

 We do have some good engineering news to report this week as well. We can confirm that our most current prototype board version, at 700GH, has continued to perform under rigorous testing. We are due for delivery of production quantities of these boards by the end of this month.

 The earlier version boards that perform in the 350-500 GH range are now being produced in quantity. As these boards are assembled they are rigged up in racks and shipped to our cloud mining facility to provide temporary cloud mining to customers in queue priority (we shipped 100 TH of these this week).

 We are evaluating our refund policy and will announce details about improvements this coming week, along with new prototype test results as we get them..

[LittleD]

This Company has 600 Gh/s Cloud Mining. Here is an email to me after I asked them for their venders......

Your request (13738) has been solved. To reopen this request, reply to this email.





Amira (Cloud Hashing)
 Jul 14 03:34 PM
 Hey Douglas,
 Thanks for reaching out about our mining hardware! We purchase our equipment from multiple manufacturers, including KnC, Butterfly Labs, Cointerra, and others. We've also recently merged with HighBitcoin LLC. to create PeerNova. PeerNova will also provide hardware solutions for CloudHashing.
 For more information regarding PeerNova products and services, please visit PeerNova - Leader in distributed financial technologies & platforms.
 Thanks again for contacting us! If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to reach out.
 Amira
 


 Douglas (Kris) Hunter
 Jul 12 05:33 PM
 How is your vender?
 ------------------
 Submitted from: https://cloudhashing.com/bitcoin-mining-rrp
 

[Bitsaurus]

Quote Originally Posted by BFL_Josh View Post

The new prototype board that we simulated will get us to the 1TH performance level has been delayed into this coming week by our PCB supplier. We continue to work closely with them and expect the new prototype will be ready towards the latter part of the week. BFL staff will be on location at the board manufacturer so we can literally start testing as soon as the first prototype’s last component goes on.

 We do have some good engineering news to report this week as well. We can confirm that our most current prototype board version, at 700GH, has continued to perform under rigorous testing. We are due for delivery of production quantities of these boards by the end of this month.

 The earlier version boards that perform in the 350-500 GH range are now being produced in quantity. As these boards are assembled they are rigged up in racks and shipped to our cloud mining facility to provide temporary cloud mining to customers in queue priority (we shipped 100 TH of these this week).

We are evaluating our refund policy and will announce details about improvements this coming week, along with new prototype test results as we get them..

Awww, how sweet.   They're evaluating their return policy.  Isn't that like a felon deciding if he wants to murder you or just leave you gagged in the trunk of a car?  Both are illegal, they're trying to see which one works better for them lol.

Where is the state AG?  This is not petty theft, this is multi-million dollar theft!

[Unacceptable]

Quote Originally Posted by BFL_Josh View Post

The new prototype board that we simulated will get us to the 1TH performance level has been delayed into this coming week by our PCB supplier. We continue to work closely with them and expect the new prototype will be ready towards the latter part of the week. BFL staff will be on location at the board manufacturer so we can literally start testing as soon as the first prototype’s last component goes on.

 We do have some good engineering news to report this week as well. We can confirm that our most current prototype board version, at 700GH, has continued to perform under rigorous testing. We are due for delivery of production quantities of these boards by the end of this month.

 The earlier version boards that perform in the 350-500 GH range are now being produced in quantity. As these boards are assembled they are rigged up in racks and shipped to our cloud mining facility to provide temporary cloud mining to customers in queue priority (we shipped 100 TH of these this week).

We are evaluating our refund policy and will announce details about improvements this coming week, along with new prototype test results as we get them..

Awww, how sweet.   They're evaluating their return policy.  Isn't that like a felon deciding if he wants to murder you or just leave you gagged in the trunk of a car?  Both are illegal, they're trying to see which one works better for them lol.

Where is the state AG?  This is not petty theft, this is multi-million dollar theft!

Sonny took care of that,you'd be surprised how "campaign contributions" can help in situations like this 

[Xian01]

Sonny took care of that,you'd be surprised how "campaign contributions" can help in situations like this  

Now wouldn't that be a shocking story. "Butterfly Labs accused of bribing state and federal officials to avoid fraud prosecution"

I mean, it would certainly explain how they've managed to refine their business practices over the last two years, allowing them to stay afloat.

I need to think that such conspiracy theories are just that, however.

Or possibly...



I suppose a legitimately curious question, however, might be "Would Butterfly Labs have been able to survive to present day if it did not have an infusion of preorder funds, maintained by a refusal to issue refunds in a timely manner ?"

[Searing]

Sonny took care of that,you'd be surprised how "campaign contributions" can help in situations like this  

Now wouldn't that be a shocking story. "Butterfly Labs accused of bribing state and federal officials to avoid fraud prosecution"

I mean, it would certainly explain how they've managed to refine their business practices over the last two years, allowing them to stay afloat.

I need to think that such conspiracy theories are just that, however.

Or possibly...



I suppose a legitimately curious question, however, might be "Would Butterfly Labs have been able to survive to present day if it did not have an infusion of preorder funds, maintained by a refusal to issue refunds in a timely manner ?"

It is simpler then that why do you think the 'county attorney" where they told me to send my info on BFL for fraud last fall never returned my calls...on BFL? emails etc?

The 'elected' county attorney job ..that guy is gonna go after a company that employees folks and makes millions of dollars for the county by SHUTTING IT DOWN
by doing a fraud investigation..yeah right

yeah that is gonna happen but when I contacted the state attorney general that is where all my emails stuff went to ...black hole time....now that it has been almost
2 years now you see the press and gov't making noises..but yeah it is all moot at this point..to really say it was fraud would expose a lot of people in gov't etc that
should have stopped this way back when..they would look silly..thus is why BFL will likely pay off $$ for the class action...pay fines with no admission of quilt..
(citibank just did a massive fraud...and the company execs walked the company took a 9 billion fine) so BFL will do same corp will pay they will walk worse case they keep the PH farm and their personal assets and BFL corp takes the 'public' fall and death and all liabilities with it.....it seems the American way to regulate these days take the $$ an run..this has
been the American way for class action suits for like 30 years or so ..same result.hope I'm wrong but the fact that BFL is still selling product and the lies since dec 2012 a
situation where they go to jail or pay a fine on their PERSONAL ASSETS
does not bode well ...the corp will take the fall they will walk with the rewards/ph farm/personal miners they got on the side ahead of the rest of us..etc etc

Searing

[Unacceptable]

Sonny took care of that,you'd be surprised how "campaign contributions" can help in situations like this  

Now wouldn't that be a shocking story. "Butterfly Labs accused of bribing state and federal officials to avoid fraud prosecution"

I mean, it would certainly explain how they've managed to refine their business practices over the last two years, allowing them to stay afloat.

I need to think that such conspiracy theories are just that, however.

Or possibly...



I suppose a legitimately curious question, however, might be "Would Butterfly Labs have been able to survive to present day if it did not have an infusion of preorder funds, maintained by a refusal to issue refunds in a timely manner ?"

No shock at all,lobbyists from ALL the big corporations do it daily in Washington DC.

It's all the rage to pay off politicians to get tax loop holes, dereg's from the EPA,FDA,etc....& you too can buy a Supreme Court Justice now too !!!

It's been going on for many years,BUT it just recently has gotten way out of hand. With well over 300,000 lobbyists roaming the capital now a days...................... 

[Bitsaurus]

Apparently BFL has managed to pull of the perception of incompetence instead of shady, fraudulent hardware vendor.  If the fraud was more evident they would have folded by now.  They have professionals working there.

[LittleD]

Quote Originally Posted by IndigoInk View Post
"It's more probable that this is being doing as a result of the pressure from the class actions than anything more altruistic. By allowing the initial pre-orderers a way out via refund BFL would be removing the basis of the class action arguments."

Quote Originally posted by Inabobo/josh
"That would be credible if there was a class action lawsuit, but since there is not... you are once again spreading false information and it's getting pretty tiring, gotta say. I'm also pretty tired of you and other ascribing ulterior motives to everything that is done. We are a business and we are doing what we can to remain viable as well as provide the best service we can to our customers. I'm sorry you feel slighted, but the fact is that we are doing the best we can with what we have. There are no evil motives or backroom deals. There are no money grabs or people running off with funds/equipment. I have always tried to do right by the miners with the tools and abilities that we have at our disposal and I've always had people like you to come and crap all over what we try to do and it really ticks me off.

 Unlike most of the other mining companies, we've been around and continue to be around. We haven't gone out of business, stolen funds, not delivered equipment (even if we were late). We've gone through how many companies now that said we didn't know how to do the job and we were idiots and didn't know what we were doing and that they'd show us how it's done... and every single one of them - every one - Has run into the same problems. Not a single mining company has released a chip that was at the original specs. Many/most of them have shipped late. Several of those companies are out of business or going out of business as we speak, their customers left with nothing. Yet here we are, still here and still trying to do right by the customers and we catch all the crap.

 I am sorry that we are late, I really am. We aim to ship quality products, not pieces of crap that don't work or fall apart. Trolling aside, our 65nm hardware was rock solid, easily far and away the most robust, best designed hardware in the industry. The FPGA singles were rock solid as well, and the minirigs blew everything else out of the water. I know, we were late, yes, I know that. Yes it pains me a great deal and yes we are working on that. We never expected the volumes we had on equipment and it really screwed up the shipping on our previous generation. We didn't expect the problems we are having now with the 28nm stuff - first the metal layer of the chips, now the power issue on the boards, but we're still here and we've pretty much got everything resolved and we will be shipping (or refunding to those that want it). We aren't going out of business or disappearing in the middle of the night like most of the other ASIC companies. We are public about our identities and locations, and we invite people to stop by our facilities and take a look if they want. We are the most open ASIC company out there and we get all the flak and it gets tiring.

 Go buy from Hashfast or Cointerra if we are such a crappy company, see how well that works out for you."

[cutepuppy]

Apparently BFL has managed to pull of the perception of incompetence instead of shady, fraudulent hardware vendor.  If the fraud was more evident they would have folded by now.  They have professionals working there.

I would give them the benefit of the doubt that they are simply unable to design a miner that meets the specs that they promised. Bit regardless if it is incompetence or fraud the net result to the consumer is the same.

[Henchman24]

Quote Originally Posted by IndigoInk View Post
"It's more probable that this is being doing as a result of the pressure from the class actions than anything more altruistic. By allowing the initial pre-orderers a way out via refund BFL would be removing the basis of the class action arguments."

Quote Originally posted by Inabobo/josh
"That would be credible if there was a class action lawsuit, but since there is not... you are once again spreading false information and it's getting pretty tiring, gotta say. I'm also pretty tired of you and other ascribing ulterior motives to everything that is done. We are a business and we are doing what we can to remain viable as well as provide the best service we can to our customers. I'm sorry you feel slighted, but the fact is that we are doing the best we can with what we have. There are no evil motives or backroom deals. There are no money grabs or people running off with funds/equipment. I have always tried to do right by the miners with the tools and abilities that we have at our disposal and I've always had people like you to come and crap all over what we try to do and it really ticks me off.

 Unlike most of the other mining companies, we've been around and continue to be around. We haven't gone out of business, stolen funds, not delivered equipment (even if we were late). We've gone through how many companies now that said we didn't know how to do the job and we were idiots and didn't know what we were doing and that they'd show us how it's done... and every single one of them - every one - Has run into the same problems. Not a single mining company has released a chip that was at the original specs. Many/most of them have shipped late. Several of those companies are out of business or going out of business as we speak, their customers left with nothing. Yet here we are, still here and still trying to do right by the customers and we catch all the crap.

 I am sorry that we are late, I really am. We aim to ship quality products, not pieces of crap that don't work or fall apart. Trolling aside, our 65nm hardware was rock solid, easily far and away the most robust, best designed hardware in the industry. The FPGA singles were rock solid as well, and the minirigs blew everything else out of the water. I know, we were late, yes, I know that. Yes it pains me a great deal and yes we are working on that. We never expected the volumes we had on equipment and it really screwed up the shipping on our previous generation. We didn't expect the problems we are having now with the 28nm stuff - first the metal layer of the chips, now the power issue on the boards, but we're still here and we've pretty much got everything resolved and we will be shipping (or refunding to those that want it). We aren't going out of business or disappearing in the middle of the night like most of the other ASIC companies. We are public about our identities and locations, and we invite people to stop by our facilities and take a look if they want. We are the most open ASIC company out there and we get all the flak and it gets tiring.

 Go buy from Hashfast or Cointerra if we are such a crappy company, see how well that works out for you."

Might not fall on deaf ears if you greedy fuckers hadn't continued to take orders from the clueless.  Cry us a fucking river, Josh.

[DrG]

Apparently BFL has managed to pull of the perception of incompetence instead of shady, fraudulent hardware vendor.  If the fraud was more evident they would have folded by now.  They have professionals working there.

I would give them the benefit of the doubt that they are simply unable to design a miner that meets the specs that they promised. Bit regardless if it is incompetence or fraud the net result to the consumer is the same.

It's not the same. If it's complete incompetence then BFL really has not made any hardware and they are not contributing to the network and making the difficulty rise.

If it's fraud, they are using the funds to either buy hardware from other companies or secretly mine on their customers hardware (something they have admitted to in court).  In this case they would be enriching themselves, and if the customer had other miners then they would actually be stealing even more profits from their customers.  Avalon did this and mined on their customers hardware when they were the only ASIC game in town.  Not only did they make profits, they punished their customers who had GPU and FPGA farms.

Don't be so naive.

[k9quaint]

Apparently BFL has managed to pull of the perception of incompetence instead of shady, fraudulent hardware vendor.  If the fraud was more evident they would have folded by now.  They have professionals working there.

I would give them the benefit of the doubt that they are simply unable to design a miner that meets the specs that they promised. Bit regardless if it is incompetence or fraud the net result to the consumer is the same.

It's not the same. If it's complete incompetence then BFL really has not made any hardware and they are not contributing to the network and making the difficulty rise.

If it's fraud, they are using the funds to either buy hardware from other companies or secretly mine on their customers hardware (something they have admitted to in court).  In this case they would be enriching themselves, and if the customer had other miners then they would actually be stealing even more profits from their customers.  Avalon did this and mined on their customers hardware when they were the only ASIC game in town.  Not only did they make profits, they punished their customers who had GPU and FPGA farms.

Don't be so naive.

Ever notice how the people who defend BFL have posts counts in the single digits? 

Name:   cutepuppy
Posts:   8
Activity:   8
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   July 21, 2014, 01:43:09 AM
Last Active:   July 23, 2014, 01:51:45 AM

[Xian01]

Ever notice how the people who defend BFL have posts counts in the single digits? 
Name:   cutepuppy
Posts:   8
Activity:   8
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   July 21, 2014, 01:43:09 AM
Last Active:   July 23, 2014, 01:51:45 AM

It's sad because it's either

a) Sock-puppet / Shill
b) Newbie customer who doesn't know any better when dealing with Butterfly Labs

[-ck]

Ever notice how the people who defend BFL have posts counts in the single digits? 

Name:   cutepuppy
Posts:   8
Activity:   8
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   July 21, 2014, 01:43:09 AM
Last Active:   July 23, 2014, 01:51:45 AM

Not true, there are multiple digit post counts from employees of BFL that defend them.

[k9quaint]

Ever notice how the people who defend BFL have posts counts in the single digits? 

Name:   cutepuppy
Posts:   8
Activity:   8
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   July 21, 2014, 01:43:09 AM
Last Active:   July 23, 2014, 01:51:45 AM

Not true, there are multiple digit post counts from employees of BFL that defend them.

True. The jury may still be out as to whether they are people, but there are certainly forum accounts that match that description. 

[Xian01]

The jury may still be out as to whether they are people

Are you suggesting they might, in fact, be meat popsicles ?

[Searing]

The jury may still be out as to whether they are people

Are you suggesting they might, in fact, be meat popsicles ?

well they obviously are "soul less" puppets of BFL ....brainwashed! (the horror)

Searing

[grn]

I've been watching this trainwreck for a while wondering why you people don't collaborate on chapter 7 proceedings against bfl or take direct legal action. Posting on a forum will get youu nowhere.

my .02

[Searing]

I've been watching this trainwreck for a while wondering why you people don't collaborate on chapter 7 proceedings against bfl or take direct legal action. Posting on a forum will get youu nowhere.

my .02

it has all been tried done..;people won in small claims court could not collect so they went to class action suit..someone posted that if they go thru all the steps to a trial it would start in jan of 2016.....FTC/BBB/county attorney/etc ..all in my experience went no place (so far)

so basically BFL is getting away with it....I still expect them to go bankrupt and slip out with their EMC pool and personal assets/miners intact....
the BFL corp will go bankrupt with fines or settle class action...BFL imho is circling the wagons

but yeah no enforcement of regulations in the USA anymore...Gov't just wants to settle for cash...and the company in question does so by being
allowed to admit no wrongdoing (look at us banks all officers got off no one went to jail) and same with class action suit 1/2 will go to law firm
so they imho will settle long before trial....

anyway another corp win 1 people users lose 0... so it goes

Searing

[grn]

I've been watching this trainwreck for a while wondering why you people don't collaborate on chapter 7 proceedings against bfl or take direct legal action. Posting on a forum will get youu nowhere.

my .02

it has all been tried done..;people won in small claims court could not collect so they went to class action suit..someone posted that if they go thru all the steps to a trial it would start in jan of 2016.....FTC/BBB/county attorney/etc ..all in my experience went no place (so far)

so basically BFL is getting away with it....I still expect them to go bankrupt and slip out with their EMC pool and personal assets/miners intact....
the BFL corp will go bankrupt with fines or settle class action...BFL imho is circling the wagons

but yeah no enforcement of regulations in the USA anymore...Gov't just wants to settle for cash...and the company in question does so by being
allowed to admit no wrongdoing (look at us banks all officers got off no one went to jail) and same with class action suit 1/2 will go to law firm
so they imho will settle long before trial....

anyway another corp win 1 people users lose 0... so it goes

Searing

From the angle of someone not involved i have learned a lot on this thread. bcp has been alluding to something that he/she knows you people need to take on bfl before its too late. looks to me like their exit strategy is close

[DrG]

I've been watching this trainwreck for a while wondering why you people don't collaborate on chapter 7 proceedings against bfl or take direct legal action. Posting on a forum will get youu nowhere.

my .02

it has all been tried done..;people won in small claims court could not collect so they went to class action suit..someone posted that if they go thru all the steps to a trial it would start in jan of 2016.....FTC/BBB/county attorney/etc ..all in my experience went no place (so far)

so basically BFL is getting away with it....I still expect them to go bankrupt and slip out with their EMC pool and personal assets/miners intact....
the BFL corp will go bankrupt with fines or settle class action...BFL imho is circling the wagons

but yeah no enforcement of regulations in the USA anymore...Gov't just wants to settle for cash...and the company in question does so by being
allowed to admit no wrongdoing (look at us banks all officers got off no one went to jail) and same with class action suit 1/2 will go to law firm
so they imho will settle long before trial....

anyway another corp win 1 people users lose 0... so it goes

Searing

From the angle of someone not involved i have learned a lot on this thread. bcp has been alluding to something that he/she knows you people need to take on bfl before its too late. looks to me like their exit strategy is close

Their exit strategy happened last week back in March 2013 when they kept saying they would have the miners shipping "next week" - not the infamous two weeks.  They continued to get orders even though they kept promising to ship, and then they started a very slow trickle of miners.  I think they were surprised at what they were able to get away with and then went for the Prestige - the Monarch.  Again I am amazed that place has not seen some form of attack considering all the angry mobs.

[grn]

I've been watching this trainwreck for a while wondering why you people don't collaborate on chapter 7 proceedings against bfl or take direct legal action. Posting on a forum will get youu nowhere.

my .02

it has all been tried done..;people won in small claims court could not collect so they went to class action suit..someone posted that if they go thru all the steps to a trial it would start in jan of 2016.....FTC/BBB/county attorney/etc ..all in my experience went no place (so far)

so basically BFL is getting away with it....I still expect them to go bankrupt and slip out with their EMC pool and personal assets/miners intact....
the BFL corp will go bankrupt with fines or settle class action...BFL imho is circling the wagons

but yeah no enforcement of regulations in the USA anymore...Gov't just wants to settle for cash...and the company in question does so by being
allowed to admit no wrongdoing (look at us banks all officers got off no one went to jail) and same with class action suit 1/2 will go to law firm
so they imho will settle long before trial....

anyway another corp win 1 people users lose 0... so it goes

Searing

From the angle of someone not involved i have learned a lot on this thread. bcp has been alluding to something that he/she knows you people need to take on bfl before its too late. looks to me like their exit strategy is close

Their exit strategy happened last week back in March 2013 when they kept saying they would have the miners shipping "next week" - not the infamous two weeks.  They continued to get orders even though they kept promising to ship, and then they started a very slow trickle of miners.  I think they were surprised at what they were able to get away with and then went for the Prestige - the Monarch.  Again I am amazed that place has not seen some form of attack considering all the angry mobs.

I would love to own one of these miners! somebody got one to sell? USD name your price and i will take your monarch today

[Unacceptable]

I've been watching this trainwreck for a while wondering why you people don't collaborate on chapter 7 proceedings against bfl or take direct legal action. Posting on a forum will get youu nowhere.

my .02

it has all been tried done..;people won in small claims court could not collect so they went to class action suit..someone posted that if they go thru all the steps to a trial it would start in jan of 2016.....FTC/BBB/county attorney/etc ..all in my experience went no place (so far)

so basically BFL is getting away with it....I still expect them to go bankrupt and slip out with their EMC pool and personal assets/miners intact....
the BFL corp will go bankrupt with fines or settle class action...BFL imho is circling the wagons

but yeah no enforcement of regulations in the USA anymore...Gov't just wants to settle for cash...and the company in question does so by being
allowed to admit no wrongdoing (look at us banks all officers got off no one went to jail) and same with class action suit 1/2 will go to law firm
so they imho will settle long before trial....

anyway another corp win 1 people users lose 0... so it goes

Searing

From the angle of someone not involved i have learned a lot on this thread. bcp has been alluding to something that he/she knows you people need to take on bfl before its too late. looks to me like their exit strategy is close

Their exit strategy happened last week back in March 2013 when they kept saying they would have the miners shipping "next week" - not the infamous two weeks.  They continued to get orders even though they kept promising to ship, and then they started a very slow trickle of miners.  I think they were surprised at what they were able to get away with and then went for the Prestige - the Monarch.  Again I am amazed that place has not seen some form of attack considering all the angry mobs.

I would love to own one of these miners! somebody got one to sell? USD name your price and i will take your monarch today

   BFL has not shipped any miners,BUT...if you were to get into Eclipse Mining Consortium's datacenter...you could get a few in a backpack & walk away

But again,they're less than 400GH ATM & probably will be for quite sometime    

Looking like BFL ain't shipping this month,probably not Aug,maybe Sept/Oct  

[grn]

I've been watching this trainwreck for a while wondering why you people don't collaborate on chapter 7 proceedings against bfl or take direct legal action. Posting on a forum will get youu nowhere.

my .02

it has all been tried done..;people won in small claims court could not collect so they went to class action suit..someone posted that if they go thru all the steps to a trial it would start in jan of 2016.....FTC/BBB/county attorney/etc ..all in my experience went no place (so far)

so basically BFL is getting away with it....I still expect them to go bankrupt and slip out with their EMC pool and personal assets/miners intact....
the BFL corp will go bankrupt with fines or settle class action...BFL imho is circling the wagons

but yeah no enforcement of regulations in the USA anymore...Gov't just wants to settle for cash...and the company in question does so by being
allowed to admit no wrongdoing (look at us banks all officers got off no one went to jail) and same with class action suit 1/2 will go to law firm
so they imho will settle long before trial....

anyway another corp win 1 people users lose 0... so it goes

Searing

From the angle of someone not involved i have learned a lot on this thread. bcp has been alluding to something that he/she knows you people need to take on bfl before its too late. looks to me like their exit strategy is close

Their exit strategy happened last week back in March 2013 when they kept saying they would have the miners shipping "next week" - not the infamous two weeks.  They continued to get orders even though they kept promising to ship, and then they started a very slow trickle of miners.  I think they were surprised at what they were able to get away with and then went for the Prestige - the Monarch.  Again I am amazed that place has not seen some form of attack considering all the angry mobs.

I would love to own one of these miners! somebody got one to sell? USD name your price and i will take your monarch today

   BFL has not shipped any miners,BUT...if you were to get into Eclipse Mining Consortium's datacenter...you could get a few in a backpack & walk away

But again,they're less than 400GH ATM & probably will be for quite sometime    

Looking like BFL ain't shipping this month,probably not Aug,maybe Sept/Oct  

How do you know the hashrate? inside information?  If you want your money back look at pools,other than emc, get the ag involved and do your due dilligence

[Unacceptable]

I've been watching this trainwreck for a while wondering why you people don't collaborate on chapter 7 proceedings against bfl or take direct legal action. Posting on a forum will get youu nowhere.

my .02

it has all been tried done..;people won in small claims court could not collect so they went to class action suit..someone posted that if they go thru all the steps to a trial it would start in jan of 2016.....FTC/BBB/county attorney/etc ..all in my experience went no place (so far)

so basically BFL is getting away with it....I still expect them to go bankrupt and slip out with their EMC pool and personal assets/miners intact....
the BFL corp will go bankrupt with fines or settle class action...BFL imho is circling the wagons

but yeah no enforcement of regulations in the USA anymore...Gov't just wants to settle for cash...and the company in question does so by being
allowed to admit no wrongdoing (look at us banks all officers got off no one went to jail) and same with class action suit 1/2 will go to law firm
so they imho will settle long before trial....

anyway another corp win 1 people users lose 0... so it goes

Searing

From the angle of someone not involved i have learned a lot on this thread. bcp has been alluding to something that he/she knows you people need to take on bfl before its too late. looks to me like their exit strategy is close

Their exit strategy happened last week back in March 2013 when they kept saying they would have the miners shipping "next week" - not the infamous two weeks.  They continued to get orders even though they kept promising to ship, and then they started a very slow trickle of miners.  I think they were surprised at what they were able to get away with and then went for the Prestige - the Monarch.  Again I am amazed that place has not seen some form of attack considering all the angry mobs.

I would love to own one of these miners! somebody got one to sell? USD name your price and i will take your monarch today

   BFL has not shipped any miners,BUT...if you were to get into Eclipse Mining Consortium's datacenter...you could get a few in a backpack & walk away

But again,they're less than 400GH ATM & probably will be for quite sometime    

Looking like BFL ain't shipping this month,probably not Aug,maybe Sept/Oct  

How do you know the hashrate? inside information?  If you want your money back look at pools,other than emc, get the ag involved and do your due dilligence

Uh,no,Josh has stated several times that the under performing miners will be used by them to give hashrate to early preorder holders.RIIGGHHHT 

They will be hosting them at EMC,therein why I said arrange a visit & get em  

[k9quaint]

I've been watching this trainwreck for a while wondering why you people don't collaborate on chapter 7 proceedings against bfl or take direct legal action. Posting on a forum will get youu nowhere.

my .02

http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners

There is already a class action complaint winding its way through the court system.

[LittleD]

Update:

Monarch to begin shipping
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by  BFL_Josh  , 08-15-2014 at 08:33 PM (740 Views)
While PCB performance specifications have come in above the 600GH we originally projected, we have not yet hit the 1TH/s per PCB mark that we set for ourselves based on the strength of the underlying ASIC chip. We have achieved much higher speeds on test boards, but in order to be able to ship now we have stabilized the board at 700GH/s with power efficiency of 0.70 W/GH (+/- 10%). While we will continue to pursue the 1TH version of the Monarch for subsequent delivery, we want to get the best product we can out to you now. Shipping of Monarchs will begin next week.

Here is an image of the Monarch ready for shipment to customers right now.
(Please note the form factor with water cooling instead of air cooling)

[bigtimespaghetti]

This is a resounding success by BFL standards. Party time.

[Craige288]

This is a resounding success by BFL standards. Party time.

Are you serious?  Another product that should have shipped in Feb!  Another joke in my eyes.

[-ck]

This is a resounding success by BFL standards. Party time.

Are you serious?  Another product that should have shipped in Feb!  Another joke in my eyes.

This forum desperately needs sarcasm tags.

[Gleb Gamow]

Heres a look at youR Monarch   What do you think  

Monarch, meet Buds.

[bigtimespaghetti]

This is a resounding success by BFL standards. Party time.

Are you serious?  Another product that should have shipped in Feb!  Another joke in my eyes.

This forum desperately needs sarcasm tags.

No I think it's appropriate, my humour is so dry in real life that sometimes even my wife doesn't know that I'm joking!   

[clownius]

Update:

Monarch to begin shipping
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by  BFL_Josh  , 08-15-2014 at 08:33 PM (740 Views)
While PCB performance specifications have come in above the 600GH we originally projected, we have not yet hit the 1TH/s per PCB mark that we set for ourselves based on the strength of the underlying ASIC chip. We have achieved much higher speeds on test boards, but in order to be able to ship now we have stabilized the board at 700GH/s with power efficiency of 0.70 W/GH (+/- 10%). While we will continue to pursue the 1TH version of the Monarch for subsequent delivery, we want to get the best product we can out to you now. Shipping of Monarchs will begin next week.

Here is an image of the Monarch ready for shipment to customers right now.
(Please note the form factor with water cooling instead of air cooling)

So whats the form factor on that and how many fit in a 3U rackmount case? 

2 with some luck?

So much for those lovely pics with 4 in a 3U rackmount setup.

[MrTeal]

Update:

Monarch to begin shipping
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by  BFL_Josh  , 08-15-2014 at 08:33 PM (740 Views)
While PCB performance specifications have come in above the 600GH we originally projected, we have not yet hit the 1TH/s per PCB mark that we set for ourselves based on the strength of the underlying ASIC chip. We have achieved much higher speeds on test boards, but in order to be able to ship now we have stabilized the board at 700GH/s with power efficiency of 0.70 W/GH (+/- 10%). While we will continue to pursue the 1TH version of the Monarch for subsequent delivery, we want to get the best product we can out to you now. Shipping of Monarchs will begin next week.

Here is an image of the Monarch ready for shipment to customers right now.
(Please note the form factor with water cooling instead of air cooling)

So whats the form factor on that and how many fit in a 3U rackmount case? 

2 with some luck?

So much for those lovely pics with 4 in a 3U rackmount setup.

Well, that's most likely a 120mm radiator, so it will need a 4U case. You should be able to fit 3 in a 4U chassis.

[clownius]

Im wondering about the card width.  Looks larger than 2x slots and thats the general spacing on most motherboard every second slot for PCIe and very few cases support more than 8 card slots.

Also your right they were using 4U cases in their examples so that still matches.

They really need to give specs like how long, deep and wide the cards are plus details on the radiator and tube length.  Trying to work out where to mount everything is kinda important for people trying to decide if they can use these things or a refund is the only option.

[dropt]

Im wondering about the card width.  Looks larger than 2x slots and thats the general spacing on most motherboard every second slot for PCIe and very few cases support more than 8 card slots.

Also your right they were using 4U cases in their examples so that still matches.

They really need to give specs like how long, deep and wide the cards are plus details on the radiator and tube length.  Trying to work out where to mount everything is kinda important for people trying to decide if they can use these things or a refund is the only option.

Jesus, REFUND.  Why are people still contemplating whether or not to get refunds?  They shit the bed on delivery.  They shit the bed on pricing.  They shit the bed on efficiency.  BTC is in a slump, get a refund and enjoy the best possible return on your 'investment' even if you're in the red.

There is absolutely no scenario here where if you have the option to refund, you shouldn't.

[Syke]

Jesus, REFUND.  Why are people still contemplating whether or not to get refunds?  They shit the bed on delivery.  They shit the bed on pricing.  They shit the bed on efficiency.  BTC is in a slump, get a refund and enjoy the best possible return on your 'investment' even if you're in the red.

There is absolutely no scenario here where if you have the option to refund, you shouldn't.

No kidding! Even BFL employees are requesting refunds. If you can't even sell to your own employees, who can you sell to?

[Chopperman]

Im wondering about the card width.  Looks larger than 2x slots and thats the general spacing on most motherboard every second slot for PCIe and very few cases support more than 8 card slots.

Also your right they were using 4U cases in their examples so that still matches.

They really need to give specs like how long, deep and wide the cards are plus details on the radiator and tube length.  Trying to work out where to mount everything is kinda important for people trying to decide if they can use these things or a refund is the only option.

Jesus, REFUND.  Why are people still contemplating whether or not to get refunds?  They shit the bed on delivery.  They shit the bed on pricing.  They shit the bed on efficiency.  BTC is in a slump, get a refund and enjoy the best possible return on your 'investment' even if you're in the red.

There is absolutely no scenario here where if you have the option to refund, you shouldn't.

Note the fine print - refunds in currency or vouchers.    Chopperman foresees another shit coming when the refunds are only available as 50% usable currency and 50% worthless BFL money. Chopperman is guessing that it's 50% worth of hosted mining coupons.    How's that for a final dump on customers.

[Craige288]

Has anyone got their email with options yet?  Or even their Monarch?

Why hasn't Jody but up the shipping blog so we can keep track?  They were supposed to have started shipping two weeks ago.

[Unacceptable]

Has anyone got their email with options yet?  Or even their Monarch?

Why hasn't Jody but up the shipping blog so we can keep track?  They were supposed to have started shipping two weeks ago.

LMAO "two weeks™" ago....you don't see the irony     

[sbogovac]

Has anyone got their email with options yet?  Or even their Monarch?

Why hasn't Jody but up the shipping blog so we can keep track?  They were supposed to have started shipping two weeks ago.

LMAO "two weeks™" ago....you don't see the irony     

Don't worry, I's gonna be RSN... 

[LittleD]

Josh showing off the monarch to some suckers in London.



https://twitter.com/BFL_Josh

[Gleb Gamow]

Evolution of the Monarch according to https://twitter.com/BFL_Josh/media

[ElGrandJefe]

What they sold:


What people get:

Josh showing off the monarch to some suckers in London.



https://twitter.com/BFL_Josh

The resemblance is uncanny, isn't it?

[Gleb Gamow]

The resemblance is uncanny, isn't it?

From the pics, I say they nailed the shade of black. Too bad that's the only black the seeing-red receiving end will ever recognize.

[Craige288]

I hope that's not the 700GH/s Monarch showing 270ish Watts of power.  It's got the same size fan as my 700 with the 450 being a much smaller fan and heatsink.  It's the 450 that produces that Wattage! The 700GH/s Monarch is pulling around 500-550 Watts.

[Craige288]

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FBxkWW7yCIAAc5fT.jpg%3Alarge&t=544&c=jYUuiiqDIreVCQ

Love the way they show it without the required power supply next to it!  Wouldn't look so good with all the wires all over the place. LOL

To be fair... Got both my Monarchs and the refund so congrats to BFL for actually doing what they said they would do...  As you can appreciate, there are many other ASIC manufacturers that have really crapped on the customers... I, unfortunately am one of them to a few companies and BFL has done me total justice compared to any of the other suppliers.

Obviously there is no possible way of making the amount of money that was planned but I'm happy that the loss has been reduced significantly.

P.S. Will never, ever, ever, ever pre-order ever, ever, ever again !!!  So sad... What a shame!!

[bcp19]

I hope that's not the 700GH/s Monarch showing 270ish Watts of power.  It's got the same size fan as my 700 with the 450 being a much smaller fan and heatsink.  It's the 450 that produces that Wattage! The 700GH/s Monarch is pulling around 500-550 Watts.

That is a 700, and you are not reading it fully... 270 AND 210 = 480.  Or did you miss the second readout?

[Searing]

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FBxkWW7yCIAAc5fT.jpg%3Alarge&t=544&c=jYUuiiqDIreVCQ

Love the way they show it without the required power supply next to it!  Wouldn't look so good with all the wires all over the place. LOL

To be fair... Got both my Monarchs and the refund so congrats to BFL for actually doing what they said they would do...  As you can appreciate, there are many other ASIC manufacturers that have really crapped on the customers... I, unfortunately am one of them to a few companies and BFL has done me total justice compared to any of the other suppliers.

Obviously there is no possible way of making the amount of money that was planned but I'm happy that the loss has been reduced significantly.

P.S. Will never, ever, ever, ever pre-order ever, ever, ever again !!!  So sad... What a shame!!

er..you kept two monarchs and got refunds on some others? is that what you ment

(refunds from BFL I got one back in may I think it was...the mind still boggles)

anyway good for you

myself I MAY pre-order again..but would have to be someone like www.spondoolies-tech.com with a proven HISTORY and then again
all their pre-orders are really about 6 weeks they make most in shop...but even at their timeline and prices it is a no brainer.....no home
miner can make it now imho...not even spondoolies which seems fairly agressive in price..not at these BTC rates

then again I ordered a Titan just before KNC went to the Dark Side and BFL'd itself.....FrankenJupiter's etc

$$$ corrupt is the lesson learned here

[Unacceptable]

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Love the way they show it without the required power supply next to it!  Wouldn't look so good with all the wires all over the place. LOL

To be fair... Got both my Monarchs and the refund so congrats to BFL for actually doing what they said they would do...  As you can appreciate, there are many other ASIC manufacturers that have really crapped on the customers... I, unfortunately am one of them to a few companies and BFL has done me total justice compared to any of the other suppliers.

Obviously there is no possible way of making the amount of money that was planned but I'm happy that the loss has been reduced significantly.

P.S. Will never, ever, ever, ever pre-order ever, ever, ever again !!!  So sad... What a shame!!

er..you kept two monarchs and got refunds on some others? is that what you ment

(refunds from BFL I got one back in may I think it was...the mind still boggles)

anyway good for you

myself I MAY pre-order again..but would have to be someone like www.spondoolies-tech.com with a proven HISTORY and then again
all their pre-orders are really about 6 weeks they make most in shop...but even at their timeline and prices it is a no brainer.....no home
miner can make it now imho...not even spondoolies which seems fairly agressive in price..not at these BTC rates

then again I ordered a Titan just before KNC went to the Dark Side and BFL'd itself.....FrankenJupiter's etc

$$$ corrupt is the lesson learned here

Be careful Searing...using BFL's name in that context will get you Inaba'ed   

He's raising a stink with Dogie about the poor rating he gave BFL 

Guess Joshy boi will try to buy Dogie out to get that rating upped 

   .!.. BFL & Joshy boi !!!! 

[Searing]

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FBxkWW7yCIAAc5fT.jpg%3Alarge&t=544&c=jYUuiiqDIreVCQ

Love the way they show it without the required power supply next to it!  Wouldn't look so good with all the wires all over the place. LOL

To be fair... Got both my Monarchs and the refund so congrats to BFL for actually doing what they said they would do...  As you can appreciate, there are many other ASIC manufacturers that have really crapped on the customers... I, unfortunately am one of them to a few companies and BFL has done me total justice compared to any of the other suppliers.

Obviously there is no possible way of making the amount of money that was planned but I'm happy that the loss has been reduced significantly.

P.S. Will never, ever, ever, ever pre-order ever, ever, ever again !!!  So sad... What a shame!!

er..you kept two monarchs and got refunds on some others? is that what you ment

(refunds from BFL I got one back in may I think it was...the mind still boggles)

anyway good for you

myself I MAY pre-order again..but would have to be someone like www.spondoolies-tech.com with a proven HISTORY and then again
all their pre-orders are really about 6 weeks they make most in shop...but even at their timeline and prices it is a no brainer.....no home
miner can make it now imho...not even spondoolies which seems fairly agressive in price..not at these BTC rates

then again I ordered a Titan just before KNC went to the Dark Side and BFL'd itself.....FrankenJupiter's etc

$$$ corrupt is the lesson learned here

Be careful Searing...using BFL's name in that context will get you Inaba'ed   

He's raising a stink with Dogie about the poor rating he gave BFL 

Guess Joshy boi will try to buy Dogie out to get that rating upped 

   .!.. BFL & Joshy boi !!!! 

take the money Dogie! (anyone that can get significant bucks out of BFL should do so)
we will make another thread and call it CATIE....and stick it to em anyway

I think Josh is a tool till I remember he has made probably millions on our mistake (ie see house) so WTF
crime pays I guess is the lesson here (all you have to do is show you are incompetent not criminal
seems to be the rule...look at Mark M from MT Gox ..he is hardly poor even now

as I said spondoolies is the only one I would consider doing a pre-order with and that is because they
DID let me out of an order for 6.5k and really to be fair did not have to refund me..I could prob broke
even and ROI barely ..I asked they said no problem....but it is probably a moot question in that
no home miner under these circumstances of difficulty and price dropping makes sense..it likely
is the last hurrah for home miners

[Bicknellski]

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FBxkWW7yCIAAc5fT.jpg%3Alarge&t=544&c=jYUuiiqDIreVCQ

Love the way they show it without the required power supply next to it!  Wouldn't look so good with all the wires all over the place. LOL

To be fair... Got both my Monarchs and the refund so congrats to BFL for actually doing what they said they would do...  As you can appreciate, there are many other ASIC manufacturers that have really crapped on the customers... I, unfortunately am one of them to a few companies and BFL has done me total justice compared to any of the other suppliers.

Obviously there is no possible way of making the amount of money that was planned but I'm happy that the loss has been reduced significantly.

P.S. Will never, ever, ever, ever pre-order ever, ever, ever again !!!  So sad... What a shame!!

er..you kept two monarchs and got refunds on some others? is that what you ment

(refunds from BFL I got one back in may I think it was...the mind still boggles)

anyway good for you

myself I MAY pre-order again..but would have to be someone like www.spondoolies-tech.com with a proven HISTORY and then again
all their pre-orders are really about 6 weeks they make most in shop...but even at their timeline and prices it is a no brainer.....no home
miner can make it now imho...not even spondoolies which seems fairly agressive in price..not at these BTC rates

then again I ordered a Titan just before KNC went to the Dark Side and BFL'd itself.....FrankenJupiter's etc

$$$ corrupt is the lesson learned here

Be careful Searing...using BFL's name in that context will get you Inaba'ed   

He's raising a stink with Dogie about the poor rating he gave BFL 

Guess Joshy boi will try to buy Dogie out to get that rating upped 

   .!.. BFL & Joshy boi !!!! 

He tried blackmailing him with faux ratings so I guess a bribe is next... maybe they can just BUY OUT Dogie's account. They have done it before.

[Gleb Gamow]

https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FBxkWW7yCIAAc5fT.jpg%3Alarge&t=544&c=jYUuiiqDIreVCQ

Love the way they show it without the required power supply next to it!  Wouldn't look so good with all the wires all over the place. LOL

To be fair... Got both my Monarchs and the refund so congrats to BFL for actually doing what they said they would do...  As you can appreciate, there are many other ASIC manufacturers that have really crapped on the customers... I, unfortunately am one of them to a few companies and BFL has done me total justice compared to any of the other suppliers.

Obviously there is no possible way of making the amount of money that was planned but I'm happy that the loss has been reduced significantly.

P.S. Will never, ever, ever, ever pre-order ever, ever, ever again !!!  So sad... What a shame!!

er..you kept two monarchs and got refunds on some others? is that what you ment

(refunds from BFL I got one back in may I think it was...the mind still boggles)

anyway good for you

myself I MAY pre-order again..but would have to be someone like www.spondoolies-tech.com with a proven HISTORY and then again
all their pre-orders are really about 6 weeks they make most in shop...but even at their timeline and prices it is a no brainer.....no home
miner can make it now imho...not even spondoolies which seems fairly agressive in price..not at these BTC rates

then again I ordered a Titan just before KNC went to the Dark Side and BFL'd itself.....FrankenJupiter's etc

$$$ corrupt is the lesson learned here

Be careful Searing...using BFL's name in that context will get you Inaba'ed    

He's raising a stink with Dogie about the poor rating he gave BFL  

Guess Joshy boi will try to buy Dogie out to get that rating upped  

   .!.. BFL & Joshy boi !!!!  

Inaba'ed. Good one! Care if I expand upon it?

Meet Ina Baba:


"In two weeks I, Ina Baba, will conquer all of Bitcoinastan, or I will commit seppuku with my makeshift tantō."

[fractal02]

End of story :

http://www.coindesk.com/us-government-shuts-embattled-mining-firm-butterfly-labs/

[LittleD]

can some one please post a picture of their Monarch... I will like to see prof customers are receiving the rigs?
Thanks

[Searing]

can some one please post a picture of their Monarch... I will like to see prof customers are receiving the rigs?
Thanks

here is it as it was sold and still shown on the tech page on bfl site (at tapeout last aug 2013)







here it is in all its kludge glory sept 2014 shipping (kinda sorta)




well...quite the change....like to see someone 'sawzall" that puppy into a computer case.... (need the below tool to put in)





must be the "Steampunk Doctor Who version all them Tardis  bells and whistles ....a timelord and time machine is the only way this crap could make ROI"

lol

revenge is a dish best served 'cold' ...or should I say Josh and Sonny and others at BFL " Winter is coming " heh

[sbogovac]

can some one please post a picture of their Monarch... I will like to see prof customers are receiving the rigs?
Thanks

You can find more photo's and info here:

Ok, Ognasty was nice enough to take pictures, and I'll upload the key ones here. Or to some sharing site then go from there.

First, the money shot: A shot of the back of the board:



[...]

[JoshsAssIsFucked]

can some one please post a picture of their Monarch... I will like to see prof customers are receiving the rigs?
Thanks

You can find more photo's and info here:

Ok, Ognasty was nice enough to take pictures, and I'll upload the key ones here. Or to some sharing site then go from there.

First, the money shot: A shot of the back of the board:

https://i.imgur.com/04WKZpw.jpg

[...]

Same as we've seen before, 65nm all over again. Was t it luke'something' last time posting pictures of the old miners while they were not actually shipping fuck all!  Now you all falling for it again. Sheep will be sheep. Baaaa baaaa

[Unacceptable]

can some one please post a picture of their Monarch... I will like to see prof customers are receiving the rigs?
Thanks

You can find more photo's and info here:

Ok, Ognasty was nice enough to take pictures, and I'll upload the key ones here. Or to some sharing site then go from there.

First, the money shot: A shot of the back of the board:

https://i.imgur.com/04WKZpw.jpg

[...]

Same as we've seen before, 65nm all over again. Was t it luke'something' last time posting pictures of the old miners while they were not actually shipping fuck all!  Now you all falling for it again. Sheep will be sheep. Baaaa baaaa

Wow,where to begin,let's see,how bout

[ElGrandJefe]

Wow,where to begin,let's see,how bout

How 'bout with [ DO NOT POST SESC LINKS ]ignore[/url]?

100% foolproof troll spray. Worked for me.

[JoshsAssIsFucked]

So even after been proven right on all I said for 2 years, you still think your all awesome and fool proof.

Keep it up sheep, your doing your masters proud!

[sbogovac]

Wow,where to begin,let's see,how bout

How 'bout with [ DO NOT POST SESC LINKS ]ignore[/url]?

100% foolproof troll spray. Worked for me.

Haha, he's still at it? Had'm on ignore already (after about 12 posts, new record I think)

Never mind, one of those cases:

If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole...
If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole!

[ComaWombat]

can some one please post a picture of their Monarch... I will like to see prof customers are receiving the rigs?
Thanks

It's fun to see a post like this as I got a second hand Monarch today for a few hundred €. I just had to buy it no matter what. I'm on the same boat with f***ing  Slok with my problems with bfgminer.

I feel a bit dirty mining with it after all this fuss. It's a like driving a car previously owned by Saddam Hussein or something. But I like it. It feels like being part of history in the making. Like buying a DeLorean just when the company goes bust.

On a more serious note it seems to be running fine with the custom bfgminer provided by BFL. 600GH, 1% rejects and 3.5% HWE. Much much quieter than an Antminer S3 as the fan noise is just mild hum and not booming and whining like Antminer S1's and S3's.

[ElectricMucus]

can some one please post a picture of their Monarch... I will like to see prof customers are receiving the rigs?
Thanks

It's fun to see a post like this as I got a second hand Monarch today for a few hundred €. I just had to buy it no matter what. I'm on the same boat with f***ing  Slok with my problems with bfgminer.

I feel a bit dirty mining with it after all this fuss. It's a like driving a car previously owned by Saddam Hussein or something. But I like it. It feels like being part of history in the making. Like buying a DeLorean just when the company goes bust.

On a more serious note it seems to be running fine with the custom bfgminer provided by BFL. 600GH, 1% rejects and 3.5% HWE. Much much quieter than an Antminer S3 as the fan noise is just mild hum and not booming and whining like Antminer S1's and S3's.

I wouldn't.

It's more like buying Bernie Madoff's socks. Nobody really wants to frame them and hang that on a wall.

[ComaWombat]

I'd hang Josh Z's soiled underwear on a wall if the frame was hermetically sealed 

[ElectricMucus]

I would pay 100 bucks for an original BFL foam pitchfork and torch set though.

[sbogovac]

can some one please post a picture of their Monarch... I will like to see prof customers are receiving the rigs?
Thanks

It's fun to see a post like this as I got a second hand Monarch today for a few hundred €. [...]

So...? Where are the pics!?! That was the request, wasn't it?!? (Or else it didn't happen, right...  )

And - if you don't mind me asking - some specifics please (how much, where...).

[ComaWombat]

So...? Where are the pics!?! That was the request, wasn't it?!? (Or else it didn't happen, right...  )

And - if you don't mind me asking - some specifics please (how much, where...).

300 euros in Finland. Antminer S3's go for 200€ so the price is not that bad considering the noise, power consumption (~400W), GH and BFL epic failure drama bonuses. Maybe I'll edit a pic in this post later on when I get home from work. But it really doesn't matter. Everybody should know by now Monarchs exist in the wild and they all look ugly as fuck with a hint of weird awesomeness.

[sbogovac]

300 euros in Finland. [...] Maybe I'll edit a pic in this post later on when I get home from work. [...]

WoW, that really is a good price! Do post those pics, please. Especially a screenshot with bfgminer running would be appreciated too, thanks!

[MrTeal]

300 euros in Finland. [...] Maybe I'll edit a pic in this post later on when I get home from work. [...]

WoW, that really is a good price! Do post those pics, please. Especially a screenshot with bfgminer running would be appreciated too, thanks!

It's about average, I'd say. That's $380, and the AM Prismas are ~$560 for double the hashrate.

[sbogovac]

300 euros in Finland. [...] Maybe I'll edit a pic in this post later on when I get home from work. [...]

WoW, that really is a good price! Do post those pics, please. Especially a screenshot with bfgminer running would be appreciated too, thanks!

It's about average, I'd say. That's $380, and the AM Prismas are ~$560 for double the hashrate.

And when would you actually have those Prisma's "in hand"?

[MrTeal]

300 euros in Finland. [...] Maybe I'll edit a pic in this post later on when I get home from work. [...]

WoW, that really is a good price! Do post those pics, please. Especially a screenshot with bfgminer running would be appreciated too, thanks!

It's about average, I'd say. That's $380, and the AM Prismas are ~$560 for double the hashrate.

And when would you actually have those Prisma's "in hand"?

Mid to late October, probably. That's why it's average instead of being worse than the Prisma.

[sbogovac]

300 euros in Finland. [...] Maybe I'll edit a pic in this post later on when I get home from work. [...]

WoW, that really is a good price! Do post those pics, please. Especially a screenshot with bfgminer running would be appreciated too, thanks!

It's about average, I'd say. That's $380, and the AM Prismas are ~$560 for double the hashrate.

And when would you actually have those Prisma's "in hand"?

Mid to late October, probably. That's why it's average instead of being worse than the Prisma.

Ah, pre-order... So minus three weeks (at least, incl. P&P) of mining...

Speaking of P&P; how much was that?

Oh, wait! They're produced in China, right? So some 20+% import duties/taxes would have to be paid too...

[Gleb Gamow]

I'd hang Josh Z's soiled underwear on a wall if the frame was hermetically sealed 

Like the Breaking Bad exhibit?

[MrTeal]

300 euros in Finland. [...] Maybe I'll edit a pic in this post later on when I get home from work. [...]

WoW, that really is a good price! Do post those pics, please. Especially a screenshot with bfgminer running would be appreciated too, thanks!

It's about average, I'd say. That's $380, and the AM Prismas are ~$560 for double the hashrate.

And when would you actually have those Prisma's "in hand"?

Mid to late October, probably. That's why it's average instead of being worse than the Prisma.

Ah, pre-order... So minus three weeks (at least, incl. P&P) of mining...

Speaking of P&P; how much was that?

Oh, wait! They're produced in China, right? So some 20+% import duties/taxes would have to be paid too...

1. Yes. As I said, the lost mining time is part of the reason why $380 for 700GH/s is comparable to $560 for 1400GH/s.
2. Postage is included in the AM price
3. Depends where you live

Now, relax. It's not a bad price by any stretch of the imagination, especially for a Monarch as they're kind of a novelty right now. It's just not a stellar price, it's about average for what the market would pay.

[-ck]

I'm on the same boat with f***ing  Slok with my problems with bfgminer.

I feel a bit dirty mining with it after all this fuss. It's a like driving a car previously owned by Saddam Hussein or something. But I like it. It feels like being part of history in the making. Like buying a DeLorean just when the company goes bust.

On a more serious note it seems to be running fine with the custom bfgminer provided by BFL. 600GH, 1% rejects and 3.5% HWE. Much much quieter than an Antminer S3 as the fan noise is just mild hum and not booming and whining like Antminer S1's and S3's.

By the way, current cgminer (4.6.1) supports the mofarcher, but there are no overclock options.

[ComaWombat]

Now, relax. It's not a bad price by any stretch of the imagination, especially for a Monarch as they're kind of a novelty right now. It's just not a stellar price, it's about average for what the market would pay.

And the reason for the price being so "ok" and average was that the guy was selling it to the highest bidder on a forum.

I just bid 300€ right off the bat because 1TH @ ~1000W costs about 400 euros on the Finnish second hand market and S3's are 200-250€ so the right price for a Monarch therefore must be 300€ with a certain BFL sex appeal bonus. I ended up being the only bidder after a week of waiting for somebody to outbid me.

Pics coming in three hours so stay tuned. Spoiler alert: It looks like an ordinary Monarch. And the bfgminer screenshot will look like a Monarch running 600 GH/s with 1% rejects and 3.5% HWE. If I remember correctly, Eligius is seeing 575 GH/s as the 3h average hashrate. The unit is labeled as "550GH" by BFL.

Thanks ckolivas! I'll try it.

[ComaWombat]

So it's 6 AM soon and I'm off to sleep but I'll post the proof as requested. The proof that a Monarch really exists and it isn't just a myth or cgi. Or maybe I spent the last four hours making the "real and gritty looking" cgi renders. You'll never know.

http://imgur.com/a/NWzQU

[Syke]

So it's 6 AM soon and I'm off to sleep but I'll post the proof as requested. The proof that a Monarch really exists and it isn't just a myth or cgi. Or maybe I spent the last four hours making the "real and gritty looking" cgi renders. You'll never know.

Now that some Monarchs are in the wild, reports are coming in that they spring leaks. I hope yours doesn't leak.

[sbogovac]

300 euros in Finland. [...] Maybe I'll edit a pic in this post later on when I get home from work. [...]

WoW, that really is a good price! Do post those pics, please. Especially a screenshot with bfgminer running would be appreciated too, thanks!

It's about average, I'd say. That's $380, and the AM Prismas are ~$560 for double the hashrate.

And when would you actually have those Prisma's "in hand"?

Mid to late October, probably. That's why it's average instead of being worse than the Prisma.

Ah, pre-order... So minus three weeks (at least, incl. P&P) of mining...
Speaking of P&P; how much was that?
Oh, wait! They're produced in China, right? So some 20+% import duties/taxes would have to be paid too...

1. Yes. As I said, the lost mining time is part of the reason why $380 for 700GH/s is comparable to $560 for 1400GH/s.
2. Postage is included in the AM price
3. Depends where you live

Now, relax. It's not a bad price by any stretch of the imagination, especially for a Monarch as they're kind of a novelty right now. It's just not a stellar price, it's about average for what the market would pay.

Well, actually shipping originally was not included:

[...] Shipping method outside mainland China is DHL by default. Shipping fee is 1 BTC per full set. [...]

But if AM has different terms please post a link... (since I can't seem to find it).

And since we're talking EU (Netherlands/Finland) as you might have read, we're talking import charges too (+20%)...

So I'll stick to my original assertion of this being a "great price" for a unit "in hand" in Finland, if you don't mind...  

[sbogovac]

So it's 6 AM soon and I'm off to sleep but I'll post the proof as requested. The proof that a Monarch really exists and it isn't just a myth or cgi. Or maybe I spent the last four hours making the "real and gritty looking" cgi renders. You'll never know. [...]

Cool, thanks!!!

PS can imagine your "slime-"worries...

[sbogovac]

So it's 6 AM soon and I'm off to sleep but I'll post the proof as requested. The proof that a Monarch really exists and it isn't just a myth or cgi. Or maybe I spent the last four hours making the "real and gritty looking" cgi renders. You'll never know.

Now that some Monarchs are in the wild, reports are coming in that they spring leaks. I hope yours doesn't leak.

Yes, nice to see the "wildlife-sightings" drip in... Seems this thing is "really out there"... 

But although one might expect water-cooled units to suffer leakages, I would certainly want to know what percentage of units we're talking about.

Not to mention the question for the owners of "who to turn to" for RMA's...

[ElGrandJefe]

So it's 6 AM soon and I'm off to sleep but I'll post the proof as requested. The proof that a Monarch really exists and it isn't just a myth or cgi. Or maybe I spent the last four hours making the "real and gritty looking" cgi renders. You'll never know.

Now that some Monarchs are in the wild, reports are coming in that they spring leaks. I hope yours doesn't leak.

Yes, nice to see the "wildlife-sightings" drip in... Seems this thing is "really out there"... 

But although one might expect water-cooled units to suffer leakages, I would certainly want to know what percentage of units we're talking about.

Not to mention the question for the owners of "who to turn to" for RMA's...

BFL (at least the BFL we know and love) never provided actual shipping figures. They always claimed that less than 0.1% of the 65nm products were RMAed, but there was never any independent verification.

I've seen at least 3 reports of leaks, one of which resulted in a personal injury and one in a fried board. But is that 3 out of 25? 3 out of 100? 3 out of 1000? And how many people have had leaks and not reported it anywhere but a BFL support ticket?

[lightfoot]

I'm on the same boat with f***ing  Slok with my problems with bfgminer.

I feel a bit dirty mining with it after all this fuss. It's a like driving a car previously owned by Saddam Hussein or something. But I like it. It feels like being part of history in the making. Like buying a DeLorean just when the company goes bust.

On a more serious note it seems to be running fine with the custom bfgminer provided by BFL. 600GH, 1% rejects and 3.5% HWE. Much much quieter than an Antminer S3 as the fan noise is just mild hum and not booming and whining like Antminer S1's and S3's.

By the way, current cgminer (4.6.1) supports the mofarcher, but there are no overclock options.

Are there official overclocks yet? I've been playing with mine and have found a few things, but the phrase "man this will blow up your FETS" really comes to mind in big, big letters. Being good at swapping FETs and chips makes this not a problem for me, but man it goes beyond "Warranty void"

C

[lightfoot]

So it's 6 AM soon and I'm off to sleep but I'll post the proof as requested. The proof that a Monarch really exists and it isn't just a myth or cgi. Or maybe I spent the last four hours making the "real and gritty looking" cgi renders. You'll never know.

Now that some Monarchs are in the wild, reports are coming in that they spring leaks. I hope yours doesn't leak.

Yes, nice to see the "wildlife-sightings" drip in... Seems this thing is "really out there"...  

But although one might expect water-cooled units to suffer leakages, I would certainly want to know what percentage of units we're talking about.

Not to mention the question for the owners of "who to turn to" for RMA's...

For the moment, and while BFL is in this state of State imposed "stupid", I have a standing offer to review and fix any broken Monarch based on the stuff I have done with mine (700gh bought on Ebay). Charge is nothing other than shipping, donate money to your local soup kitchen. My reputation is what it is. :-)

As for the leakage, I have used similar water blocks on my Jallies. If they should leak at the joints or hoses this can be fixed pretty easily but you need to purge the lines of all air before you close the loop. No biggie.

C

[wrb2010]

I have at least two that are leaking. The biggest problem is now they are shutting off the PSU once connected. Any ideas.

[JoshsAssIsFucked]

I have at least two that are leaking. The biggest problem is now they are shutting off the PSU once connected. Any ideas.

Dustbin

[clownius]

I have at least two that are leaking. The biggest problem is now they are shutting off the PSU once connected. Any ideas.

Send them back and demand a refund.  Even a partial recovery from the receiver would be a win compared to running that junk.

[Lassi]

I have at least two that are leaking. The biggest problem is now they are shutting off the PSU once connected. Any ideas.

Send them back and demand a refund.  Even a partial recovery from the receiver would be a win compared to running that junk.

+1 best answer.

Return for refund. You could at least expect one now in a reasonable time frame.

[wrb2010]

I have at least two that are leaking. The biggest problem is now they are shutting off the PSU once connected. Any ideas.

Send them back and demand a refund.  Even a partial recovery from the receiver would be a win compared to running that junk.

+1 best answer.

Return for refund. You could at least expect one now in a reasonable time frame.

would love to emailed receiver days ago never heard back from him.

[lightfoot]

I have at least two that are leaking. The biggest problem is now they are shutting off the PSU once connected. Any ideas.

Hm. Let's see if I can help. Questions:

Do they mine? Are the copper thingies on them getting hot to the touch? How about the back of the chips, there are two cut-outs in that bottom heat plate. Is it hot to your (DRY) finger's touch? Do you have them in that metal harness thing? What kind of power supply, and are the pumps plugged into the board (there are two, one on each block)

I'm wondering if when they leak they are creating cavities in the water flow, which would cause air pockets and bubbles to form. When you're cooling with water, an air bubble will *not* conduct heat. Heat goes up, resistance goes down, power supply goes crowbar.

What's the temperature in the room they are in?

My little Ebay Monarch here is mining at 700gh, but when I power it off then on it runs at 500 or so gh. Letting it sit for an hour to cool completely brings it back to 690-699 or so, which is odd but nice. I also have pretty good hearing, and when it is going to hash slower I can hear a high pitched "whine" from the FETs or the inductors. Just had to power it off this morning because it crashed,literally fell off the power supply and window sill. Note: Slight vibrations can do that. Oops. :-)

I'm running it on a good quality Corsair 500. The corsair is warm, and more importantly the two plugs going into the Monarch are warm. Given that the Corsair uses very good quality cables, and I have had crap-ola power supplies with much thinner cables, I would say that a less-than-good power supply could fail despite it's rating. Thin wires would heat up, drop voltage, increase current till the supply goes boom (did this with a 500 watt cheap-ass supply and a 32gh jally. Oops.)

However it does dump a fair amount of heat out of the radiator, way more than my 30gh turbo jallies ever did so the water cooling is more important.

[LittleD]

I have at least two that are leaking. The biggest problem is now they are shutting off the PSU once connected. Any ideas.

Send them back and demand a refund.  Even a partial recovery from the receiver would be a win compared to running that junk.

+1 best answer.

Return for refund. You could at least expect one now in a reasonable time frame.

+++++1 Return and get a FULL Refund!

[MrTeal]

I have at least two that are leaking. The biggest problem is now they are shutting off the PSU once connected. Any ideas.

Hm. Let's see if I can help. Questions:

Do they mine? Are the copper thingies on them getting hot to the touch? How about the back of the chips, there are two cut-outs in that bottom heat plate. Is it hot to your (DRY) finger's touch? Do you have them in that metal harness thing? What kind of power supply, and are the pumps plugged into the board (there are two, one on each block)

I'm wondering if when they leak they are creating cavities in the water flow, which would cause air pockets and bubbles to form. When you're cooling with water, an air bubble will *not* conduct heat. Heat goes up, resistance goes down, power supply goes crowbar.

What's the temperature in the room they are in?

My little Ebay Monarch here is mining at 700gh, but when I power it off then on it runs at 500 or so gh. Letting it sit for an hour to cool completely brings it back to 690-699 or so, which is odd but nice. I also have pretty good hearing, and when it is going to hash slower I can hear a high pitched "whine" from the FETs or the inductors. Just had to power it off this morning because it crashed,literally fell off the power supply and window sill. Note: Slight vibrations can do that. Oops. :-)

I'm running it on a good quality Corsair 500. The corsair is warm, and more importantly the two plugs going into the Monarch are warm. Given that the Corsair uses very good quality cables, and I have had crap-ola power supplies with much thinner cables, I would say that a less-than-good power supply could fail despite it's rating. Thin wires would heat up, drop voltage, increase current till the supply goes boom (did this with a 500 watt cheap-ass supply and a 32gh jally. Oops.)

However it does dump a fair amount of heat out of the radiator, way more than my 30gh turbo jallies ever did so the water cooling is more important.

If it's anything like the 65nm gear, the cores could be failing selftest when it's started hot and get disabled. Try running the cooling separately and turning off the card, let the cooling run a minute, and then turn the card back on to see if it pops right back up to 700GH/s.

[wrb2010]

Okay i started with 3 600 evga bronze, ended up melting pcie wires on all three. Returned them and got 2 rosewill 700 capestones and a rosewill 650 hive. I have 2x 700 and 1 x 525 and 1x475 monarchs. The rosewill 700 psu were running the 700s fine until the liquid started coming out around the waterblocks the 525 the same way. The 475 monarch i really never got to run only hooked it up when the 700 quit and before it really started hashing i noticed alot of liquid on the sled. so i stopped it.  I have a 700 that was working fine, cut if off wanted to inspect the two that were messed up. the screws on the back side of the board that are holding the waterblock were real loose. I think that is why they were leaking. But the psu work fine until attached to the card. Shit even running the fan only they work fine, as soon as the pcie cables are add it will not come on.  When i get home from work im going to mix and match all psus to monarchs but i dont think its the psu.  When they were working they ran 80c and the 525 was usually around 55-60c. Ive got them in my garage because of the heat so its probally about 75-80 f there. https://i.imgur.com/P669rKH.jpg. excuse the mess made a room on the other side of the wall and at the time i hadnt finshed. Im running them in that box. with a desk fan pointing down on them and the window fan on the top in acting as an exaust pulling the heat out of the box. Filters to catch dust, dirt on the front. Ive emailed the reciever and bfl and sent rma but i dont know if anything will come of that.  

[lightfoot]

Okay i started with 3 600 evga bronze, ended up melting pcie wires on all three. Returned them and got 2 rosewill 700 capestones and a rosewill 650 hive. I have 2x 700 and 1 x 525 and 1x475 monarchs. The rosewill 700 psu were running the 700s fine until the liquid started coming out around the waterblocks the 525 the same way. The 475 monarch i really never got to run only hooked it up when the 700 quit and before it really started hashing i noticed alot of liquid on the sled. so i stopped it.  I have a 700 that was working fine, cut if off wanted to inspect the two that were messed up. the screws on the back side of the board that are holding the waterblock were real loose. I think that is why they were leaking. But the psu work fine until attached to the card. Shit even running the fan only they work fine, as soon as the pcie cables are add it will not come on.  When i get home from work im going to mix and match all psus to monarchs but i dont think its the psu.  When they were working they ran 80c and the 525 was usually around 55-60c. Ive got them in my garage because of the heat so its probally about 75-80 f there. https://i.imgur.com/P669rKH.jpg. excuse the mess made a room on the other side of the wall and at the time i hadnt finshed. Im running them in that box. with a desk fan pointing down on them and the window fan on the top in acting as an exaust pulling the heat out of the box. Filters to catch dust, dirt on the front. Ive emailed the reciever and bfl and sent rma but i dont know if anything will come of that.  

Hm. Hm hm hm hm hm. Let me think about this one: That's all sorts of good data. So not too hot around it, they didn't boil the coolant, loose screws. 80c temps on the FETs (not bad) and water as soon as you turned it on for one of them.

The reason I'm thinking about the screws is because when I picked up my Monarch that fell off the sill this morning I noticed the screws that held on the fan and the front of the plate to the standoffs were loose. Snugged them back down, no biggie, but they were all snug when I got it. Maybe a bit of vibration over time wiggled them loose, the back of the board is on the plate with self locking bolts, so those are not going anywhere.

So the little tiny screws that held the sink to the board on the back were loose? How loose, not *super tight* loose, or *easy to screw and unscrew* loose? I'll check mine later on when I get back there.

C

[Gleb Gamow]

Okay i started with 3 600 evga bronze, ended up melting pcie wires on all three. Returned them and got 2 rosewill 700 capestones and a rosewill 650 hive. I have 2x 700 and 1 x 525 and 1x475 monarchs. The rosewill 700 psu were running the 700s fine until the liquid started coming out around the waterblocks the 525 the same way. The 475 monarch i really never got to run only hooked it up when the 700 quit and before it really started hashing i noticed alot of liquid on the sled. so i stopped it.  I have a 700 that was working fine, cut if off wanted to inspect the two that were messed up. the screws on the back side of the board that are holding the waterblock were real loose. I think that is why they were leaking. But the psu work fine until attached to the card. Shit even running the fan only they work fine, as soon as the pcie cables are add it will not come on.  When i get home from work im going to mix and match all psus to monarchs but i dont think its the psu.  When they were working they ran 80c and the 525 was usually around 55-60c. Ive got them in my garage because of the heat so its probally about 75-80 f there. https://i.imgur.com/P669rKH.jpg. excuse the mess made a room on the other side of the wall and at the time i hadnt finshed. Im running them in that box. with a desk fan pointing down on them and the window fan on the top in acting as an exaust pulling the heat out of the box. Filters to catch dust, dirt on the front. Ive emailed the reciever and bfl and sent rma but i dont know if anything will come of that.  

Hm. Hm hm hm hm hm. Let me think about this one: That's all sorts of good data. So not too hot around it, they didn't boil the coolant, loose screws. 80c temps on the FETs (not bad) and water as soon as you turned it on for one of them.

The reason I'm thinking about the screws is because when I picked up my Monarch that fell off the sill this morning I noticed the screws that held on the fan and the front of the plate to the standoffs were loose. Snugged them back down, no biggie, but they were all snug when I got it. Maybe a bit of vibration over time wiggled them loose, the back of the board is on the plate with self locking bolts, so those are not going anywhere.

So the little tiny screws that held the sink to the board on the back were loose? How loose, not *super tight* loose, or *easy to screw and unscrew* loose? I'll check mine later on when I get back there.

C

Is it possible that over time the heat may have expanded the material that the screws are set in? I recall when new homes were being built in the 80's/90's, drywall screws were popping through the mud affixing the sheets due to the green lumber drying over time. It's that that I envision the screw holes becoming larger due to heat, thus allowing the screws to slowly working their way out due to the constant, albeit slight, vibration.

Duly hope the above helps, guys. At least something to consider.

[lightfoot]

Is it possible that over time the heat may have expanded the material that the screws are set in? I recall when new homes were being built in the 80's/90's, drywall screws were popping through the mud affixing the sheets due to the green lumber drying over time. It's that that I envision the screw holes becoming larger due to heat, thus allowing the screws to slowly working their way out due to the constant, albeit slight, vibration.

Duly hope the above helps, guys. At least something to consider.

It's possible. When I removed the heat block to take a look underneath I snugged it down, ran it for 24 hours, then snugged again in a criss-cross pattern while it was running and warm. Just checked now, torque is the same so it didn't change. They do have additional screws holding the heat plate to the board, so the support is not all around the chips. Which is good.

When I was working on boosting people's jallies I would snug down the heat sink to the plate to finger-tight torque, let it run for a day, then snug it down to the final amount. Either the thermal compound spreads a bit or the threads expand a little. You can't crank down hard at first, because that will crack the chips. Just finger tight is what's needed, like a watch.

This is not totally uncommon, when I swapped an engine head on my old 944S Porsche I had to torque it down to the first spec, run it for a bit, then re-torque to the final values. After that it never changes.

[lovenlifelarge]

[Gleb Gamow]

Is it possible that over time the heat may have expanded the material that the screws are set in? I recall when new homes were being built in the 80's/90's, drywall screws were popping through the mud affixing the sheets due to the green lumber drying over time. It's that that I envision the screw holes becoming larger due to heat, thus allowing the screws to slowly working their way out due to the constant, albeit slight, vibration.

Duly hope the above helps, guys. At least something to consider.

It's possible. When I removed the heat block to take a look underneath I snugged it down, ran it for 24 hours, then snugged again in a criss-cross pattern while it was running and warm. Just checked now, torque is the same so it didn't change. They do have additional screws holding the heat plate to the board, so the support is not all around the chips. Which is good.

When I was working on boosting people's jallies I would snug down the heat sink to the plate to finger-tight torque, let it run for a day, then snug it down to the final amount. Either the thermal compound spreads a bit or the threads expand a little. You can't crank down hard at first, because that will crack the chips. Just finger tight is what's needed, like a watch.

This is not totally uncommon, when I swapped an engine head on my old 944S Porsche I had to torque it down to the first spec, run it for a bit, then re-torque to the final values. After that it never changes.

Good analogy! Perhaps, the same principle is in place here considering the amount of heat produced.

[ComaWombat]

No leaks so far but I'll keep my fingers crossed. After a day's "burn-in" and a reboot the Molly started running 630 GH. HWE went down to 3.0%, heat went up 7 degrees and power draw went up ~40W:



To get the Monarch away from leeching off my PC I compiled cgminer 4.6.1 for my raspberry pi / raspbian. It's showing 685 GH/s avg now!

Too bad I'm a complete noob what comes to linux cgminer and I haven't RTFM'd at all yet so I don't know how to monitor temps/hwe, etc. but at least I got it running. Yay!

[sbogovac]

[...] No leaks so far but I'll keep my finger crossed. After a day's "burn-in" and a reboot the Molly started running 630 GH. HWE went down to 3.0%, heat went up 7 degrees and power draw went up ~40W:

Cool!

[...]

To get the Monarch away from leeching off my PC I compiled cgminer 4.6.1 for my raspberry pi / raspbian. It's showing 685 GH/s avg now!

Too bad I'm a complete noob what comes to linux cgminer and I haven't RTFM'd at all yet so I don't now how to monitor temps/hwe, etc. but at least I got it running. Yay!

Nice!

Maybe you would be so kind as to update that cgminer for the RasPi at the Raspberry tutorial for Technobit, BFL and Antminer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=410488.0 

[ComaWombat]

Maybe you would be so kind as to update that cgminer for the RasPi at the Raspberry tutorial for Technobit, BFL and Antminer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=410488.0 

I'll see what I can do. In two weeks. (Joshspeak intended). I just configured the cgminer with the --enable-bflsc flag to enable support for BFL stuff before compiling. Absolutely no special tricks to get it running.

I got to see my full mining stats with the stock cgminer "miner.php" web api output. 685GH, temp 57 C, HWE 3.4% and diminishing... It looks great! I have no idea where it's pulling the extra GH/s compared to before but I don't care.

[wrb2010]

Okay so I'm sure that its leaking. Hoping fighting screws stops it. Any suggestions on getting in running again. Need to figure how to add more water, purge air. But what about getting powers to the board.  There are dried spots next to water block where water once was. But nothing looks damaged. Don't really know what I'm looking at but connections look good nothing burnt. Would there be a safety feature where no water no workie.

[lightfoot]

Ok, thoughts:

1) Clean off the areas the water got on (it's water and propolyne glycol) with 95% isopropyl alcohol (good rubbing alcohol, at the CVS). Use a paper towel soaked with it, then q tip. That will clean off the stuff, don't knock off those little heat sinks.

2) The screws that hold on the water block to the copper plate are *under* the copper plate, so you would have to take it off the chip to tighten the right screws. When you take it off you will see them, tighten them down and make sure they are snug, but not insanely tight (or you will strip them).

When you take the block off the board and chips, you will have to clean off and re-apply the heat sink compound.

I like Artic silver 5, the grey stuff. Clean the old stuff off the sink and the chip with a paper towel with alcohol again. Do not get it on the sides of the chip, wipe it so it comes right off the chip itself. Then follow the instructions in the AS 5 thing to put new stuff on. A thin coat is all one needs, I put a thin trace on the chip, then clean my finger with isopropyl and use my finger to spread it on the chip evenly. Once again don't go over the sides of the chip but get to the edges.

Then I put a thin smudge on the heat sink plate itself and put it back on. Put the screws in loosely at first, the put them back on and tighten them in a 4 cross pattern (1,3,2,4,1,3,2,4) a little each time. Remember if you tighten down one side all the way then the other, it could crack the chip edge. Finger tight, enough so that with your fingers gently squeezing the screwdriver you snug the screws down.

Then the three or two outside screws, they provide structural stability which is nice.

Now time to fire up. Start up the unit and keep your dry finger on the back behind each chip. If it gets hot to the touch shut down *IMMEDIATELY* and purge. If it runs hashing for 5 minutes and is not hot to the touch (100 degrees is about what I would say is getting hot) then you probably do not need to purge.

If you need to purge:

Well, you have to pull one of the hoses from the radiator, then fill it with the pumps running. Bit complex. What I did was replace a hose from the pumps to the radiator. Put both the radiator and the hose in a bucket, immerse them and start up. Stuff will come out of one of them and be sucked in the other. Lift the one that it's coming out out of the water and run it until there are no bubbles. Then put both back in the bucket while it's running and complete the connection. That way you have no air going into the system and it will work.

Fun, but do-able. Make sense?

C

[lightfoot]

Oh, remember: Water cools better than propylene glycol, but the problem is it will freeze when temp goes below 32f. So never leave it in an unheated garage or outside in the snow when not running.

You could also just ask BFL to send you a new set of water blocks and replace on both chips. If youre comfortable with AS5 that could be a quick solution.

C

[Bicknellski]

Flaming Dog Poo Fairy?

[wrb2010]

Ok, thoughts:

1) Clean off the areas the water got on (it's water and propolyne glycol) with 95% isopropyl alcohol (good rubbing alcohol, at the CVS). Use a paper towel soaked with it, then q tip. That will clean off the stuff, don't knock off those little heat sinks.

2) The screws that hold on the water block to the copper plate are *under* the copper plate, so you would have to take it off the chip to tighten the right screws. When you take it off you will see them, tighten them down and make sure they are snug, but not insanely tight (or you will strip them).

When you take the block off the board and chips, you will have to clean off and re-apply the heat sink compound.

I like Artic silver 5, the grey stuff. Clean the old stuff off the sink and the chip with a paper towel with alcohol again. Do not get it on the sides of the chip, wipe it so it comes right off the chip itself. Then follow the instructions in the AS 5 thing to put new stuff on. A thin coat is all one needs, I put a thin trace on the chip, then clean my finger with isopropyl and use my finger to spread it on the chip evenly. Once again don't go over the sides of the chip but get to the edges.

Then I put a thin smudge on the heat sink plate itself and put it back on. Put the screws in loosely at first, the put them back on and tighten them in a 4 cross pattern (1,3,2,4,1,3,2,4) a little each time. Remember if you tighten down one side all the way then the other, it could crack the chip edge. Finger tight, enough so that with your fingers gently squeezing the screwdriver you snug the screws down.

Then the three or two outside screws, they provide structural stability which is nice.

Now time to fire up. Start up the unit and keep your dry finger on the back behind each chip. If it gets hot to the touch shut down *IMMEDIATELY* and purge. If it runs hashing for 5 minutes and is not hot to the touch (100 degrees is about what I would say is getting hot) then you probably do not need to purge.

If you need to purge:

Well, you have to pull one of the hoses from the radiator, then fill it with the pumps running. Bit complex. What I did was replace a hose from the pumps to the radiator. Put both the radiator and the hose in a bucket, immerse them and start up. Stuff will come out of one of them and be sucked in the other. Lift the one that it's coming out out of the water and run it until there are no bubbles. Then put both back in the bucket while it's running and complete the connection. That way you have no air going into the system and it will work.

Fun, but do-able. Make sense?

C

Honestly, that is way out of my comfort zone. Its defiantly not leaking any more. When I plug in the monarchs to the PSU I hear that electric buzzing sound like a short. Then the PSU kicks off only way I can restart the psu is to remove paper clip and put back in. The connections on the monarch look good and it does it on both my 525 and 700 monarch. I've mixed and match PSU to my other two monarchs and its not the PSU. Thanks for your help.

[sbogovac]

[...] Honestly, that is way out of my comfort zone. Its defiantly not leaking any more. [...]

Well... Once it runs out of fluids, it "won't leak" definitely...

[wrb2010]

[...] Honestly, that is way out of my comfort zone. Its defiantly not leaking any more. [...]

Well... Once it runs out of fluids, it "won't leak" definitely...

yes I'm well aware of that. But I do appreciate your imput. I'm sure I could figure how to add more fluid. I need someone with more knowledge about the boards. Maybe something simple I'm overlooking just not very experienced with this stuff.

[sbogovac]

[...] Honestly, that is way out of my comfort zone. Its defiantly not leaking any more. [...]

Well... Once it runs out of fluids, it "won't leak" definitely...

yes I'm well aware of that. [...] I need someone with more knowledge about the boards.[...]

More knowledge/experience on the Monarch board than lightfoot? Good luck...

[lightfoot]

The simpler solution is to cut the hose and plumb in a real pump with an air reservoir/trap. That would do it too, just make sure your new pump runs in the same direction as the two on the Monarch board and still run the ones on the board (I think they would work best if all were running in the circuit).

Problem is the pumps in those units can't self-prime. They're not designed to. When they pump, they expect to pull water in and push water out. If there are air bubbles they will either cavitate or not be able to pull enough vacuum to prime.

Check out item number 111241824048 on Ebay for an example. Note the water above allows the air in the system to bubble out, and provides a hell of a lot of room for expansion (and it looks like a cute little bong).

That will do it. Hm. No, I will not think of ways to plumb a Monarch into a bong. Hm.

[MrTeal]

They use Asetek blocks, so if you don't want to bother with a custom loop you can probably just go buy a couple CLCs like the X40 or H55 and use that.

[Inaba]

They aren't Asetek, they are CoolIT.

[MrTeal]

They aren't Asetek, they are CoolIT.

Ack. My bad, sorry about that. Must have been looking at the 295x2 too much lately.

[bcp19]

Honestly, that is way out of my comfort zone. Its defiantly not leaking any more. When I plug in the monarchs to the PSU I hear that electric buzzing sound like a short. Then the PSU kicks off only way I can restart the psu is to remove paper clip and put back in. The connections on the monarch look good and it does it on both my 525 and 700 monarch. I've mixed and match PSU to my other two monarchs and its not the PSU. Thanks for your help.

If the psu kicks off like you said and these are the ones that leaked, I would bet that one of the FETs blew when the board overheated and pulled too much power.  If you have access to a multimeter, check the ohm reading on the PCIe connector(front row vs back row, not side to side) and see if it is nearly shorted (<.3 ohms).  A good unit will ramp up to several k ohm and then start back down.  The minimal ohms indicated a blown FET.  I'd say to RMA it, but I have no idea when it would be taken care of with the current situation...

[wrb2010]

Honestly, that is way out of my comfort zone. Its defiantly not leaking any more. When I plug in the monarchs to the PSU I hear that electric buzzing sound like a short. Then the PSU kicks off only way I can restart the psu is to remove paper clip and put back in. The connections on the monarch look good and it does it on both my 525 and 700 monarch. I've mixed and match PSU to my other two monarchs and its not the PSU. Thanks for your help.

If the psu kicks off like you said and these are the ones that leaked, I would bet that one of the FETs blew when the board overheated and pulled too much power.  If you have access to a multimeter, check the ohm reading on the PCIe connector(front row vs back row, not side to side) and see if it is nearly shorted (<.3 ohms).  A good unit will ramp up to several k ohm and then start back down.  The minimal ohms indicated a blown FET.  I'd say to RMA it, but I have no idea when it would be taken care of with the current situation...

Thank you for that. I do appriciate the response. I'm thinking if Lightfoot's up to it I might be sending him some packages.

[lightfoot]

Sure. Pack them up USPS Priority Mail, as discussed payment is make a donation to a local food bank or soup kitchen. I'll post the findings and such on my "Hacking a BFL Monarch" thread, and a summary here just to close the loop.

C

[ComaWombat]

So I did what any crazy person would do and bought me another Monarch on wednesday. This time it was a regular auction on ebay. 230 pounds / 290 euros, so a tad cheaper than my first "550GH" unit.

The board seems to be a different revision. It's a "700 GH" model with a mini-usb connector (which the 550 GH model didn't have) next to the pci-e power connectors.

https://i.imgur.com/Itspqdq.jpg

The problem is that it's running too hot, above 80 C and the board starts throttling after only a few minutes of running. Power draw is 570 watts from the wall at 800 GH/s.

So it would be great to have a method to underclock this thing as I don't really need the extra GH/s with a bigger power draw and overheating.

By the way, Raspberry Pi with Raspbian OS and cgminer 4.6.1 seems to run two Monarchs just fine. CPU load is ~0.40.

[bcp19]

So I did what any crazy person would do and bought me another Monarch on wednesday. This time it was a regular auction on ebay. 230 pounds / 290 euros, so a tad cheaper than my first "550GH" unit.

The board seems to be a different revision. It's a "700 GH" model with a mini-usb connector (which the 550 GH model didn't have) next to the pci-e power connectors.

https://i.imgur.com/Itspqdq.jpg

The problem is that it's running too hot, above 80 C and the board starts throttling after only a few minutes of running. Power draw is 570 watts from the wall at 800 GH/s.

So it would be great to have a method to underclock this thing as I don't really need the extra GH/s with a bigger power draw and overheating.

By the way, Raspberry Pi with Raspbian OS and cgminer 4.6.1 seems to run two Monarchs just fine. CPU load is ~0.40.

If you have a board that is running at 800gh and pulling 570 watts, you are getting close to the limit for the PCIe connectors.  To try and cool it off I would recommend trying one or more of the following:  1) more powerful fan on the radiator (stock is ~.33-.5 amp, try to find a 1 amp or bigger)  2) point a fan at the VRM (the space between the pumps)  3) find a cooler location for the unit.  I'm curious, are you using BFGminer or CGminer?  I know there was talk of commandline underclocking of the units, but I don't know if either program has it implemented as yet.

[Lassi]

So I did what any crazy person would do and bought me another Monarch on wednesday. This time it was a regular auction on ebay. 230 pounds / 290 euros, so a tad cheaper than my first "550GH" unit.

The board seems to be a different revision. It's a "700 GH" model with a mini-usb connector (which the 550 GH model didn't have) next to the pci-e power connectors.

https://i.imgur.com/Itspqdq.jpg

The problem is that it's running too hot, above 80 C and the board starts throttling after only a few minutes of running. Power draw is 570 watts from the wall at 800 GH/s.

So it would be great to have a method to underclock this thing as I don't really need the extra GH/s with a bigger power draw and overheating.

By the way, Raspberry Pi with Raspbian OS and cgminer 4.6.1 seems to run two Monarchs just fine. CPU load is ~0.40.

If you have a board that is running at 800gh and pulling 570 watts, you are getting close to the limit for the PCIe connectors.  To try and cool it off I would recommend trying one or more of the following:  1) more powerful fan on the radiator (stock is ~.33-.5 amp, try to find a 1 amp or bigger)  2) point a fan at the VRM (the space between the pumps)  3) find a cooler location for the unit.  I'm curious, are you using BFGminer or CGminer?  I know there was talk of commandline underclocking of the units, but I don't know if either program has it implemented as yet.

Did you ship SLok his units Bruce?

And Bruce did you help get Lightfoot his Monarch?

[bcp19]

So I did what any crazy person would do and bought me another Monarch on wednesday. This time it was a regular auction on ebay. 230 pounds / 290 euros, so a tad cheaper than my first "550GH" unit.

The board seems to be a different revision. It's a "700 GH" model with a mini-usb connector (which the 550 GH model didn't have) next to the pci-e power connectors.

https://i.imgur.com/Itspqdq.jpg

The problem is that it's running too hot, above 80 C and the board starts throttling after only a few minutes of running. Power draw is 570 watts from the wall at 800 GH/s.

So it would be great to have a method to underclock this thing as I don't really need the extra GH/s with a bigger power draw and overheating.

By the way, Raspberry Pi with Raspbian OS and cgminer 4.6.1 seems to run two Monarchs just fine. CPU load is ~0.40.

If you have a board that is running at 800gh and pulling 570 watts, you are getting close to the limit for the PCIe connectors.  To try and cool it off I would recommend trying one or more of the following:  1) more powerful fan on the radiator (stock is ~.33-.5 amp, try to find a 1 amp or bigger)  2) point a fan at the VRM (the space between the pumps)  3) find a cooler location for the unit.  I'm curious, are you using BFGminer or CGminer?  I know there was talk of commandline underclocking of the units, but I don't know if either program has it implemented as yet.

Did you ship SLok his units Bruce?

If you are not here to help with the issue present, please keep yur comments in the other thread.

[Lassi]

No we want answers Bruce.

What have no interest in getting assets back for customers?

[ElGrandJefe]

So I did what any crazy person would do and bought me another Monarch on wednesday. This time it was a regular auction on ebay. 230 pounds / 290 euros, so a tad cheaper than my first "550GH" unit.

The board seems to be a different revision. It's a "700 GH" model with a mini-usb connector (which the 550 GH model didn't have) next to the pci-e power connectors.

https://i.imgur.com/Itspqdq.jpg

The problem is that it's running too hot, above 80 C and the board starts throttling after only a few minutes of running. Power draw is 570 watts from the wall at 800 GH/s.

So it would be great to have a method to underclock this thing as I don't really need the extra GH/s with a bigger power draw and overheating.

By the way, Raspberry Pi with Raspbian OS and cgminer 4.6.1 seems to run two Monarchs just fine. CPU load is ~0.40.

If you have a board that is running at 800gh and pulling 570 watts, you are getting close to the limit for the PCIe connectors.  To try and cool it off I would recommend trying one or more of the following:  1) more powerful fan on the radiator (stock is ~.33-.5 amp, try to find a 1 amp or bigger)  2) point a fan at the VRM (the space between the pumps)  3) find a cooler location for the unit.  I'm curious, are you using BFGminer or CGminer?  I know there was talk of commandline underclocking of the units, but I don't know if either program has it implemented as yet.

Did you ship SLok his units Bruce?

If you are not here to help with the issue present, please keep yur comments in the other thread.

The questions you are being asked here are the same questions that you will be asked when you are subpoenaed, so you might as well practice your answers. The FTC hasn't even started with the detailed discovery.

Have you finished taking inventory of the part bins yet? Still going to work every day?

[Lassi]

Am i just not used to this type of design, or does it really look jerryrigged?

It's Inaba-rigged. It is a whole new league of "Wow, WTF is that? Will it Work?"

Jerry rigs things with a [barely] respectable thought as to form and function.

Macgyver is crying in his basement right now after seeing this pic.

What was the purpose of this thread?

To help you sell BFL and Monarchs. No.

Go start your own support thread Bruce.

[Lassi]

I am guessing the FTC will be asking you about the unit sold to Lightfoot and the units shipped to SLok.

Want to answer truthfully? Or just avoid the question like usual?

[Syke]

If you are not here to help with the issue present, please keep yur comments in the other thread.

Don't you get it? No one here likes you or your employer. Use your own censored forums for supporting your customers.

[ComaWombat]

If you have a board that is running at 800gh and pulling 570 watts, you are getting close to the limit for the PCIe connectors.  To try and cool it off I would recommend trying one or more of the following:  1) more powerful fan on the radiator (stock is ~.33-.5 amp, try to find a 1 amp or bigger)  2) point a fan at the VRM (the space between the pumps)  3) find a cooler location for the unit.  I'm curious, are you using BFGminer or CGminer?  I know there was talk of commandline underclocking of the units, but I don't know if either program has it implemented as yet.

I'd rather underclock it instead of trying to desperately cool it generating tons of noise in the process, but I'll see what happens. I'm using cgminer 4.6.1 on Linux.

BTW, these units seem to get excited and run faster and hotter with a powerful PSU instead of a weaker one. My 550 GH unit runs cooler and slower (650 GH/s, 420W) when I power it off my 500W Super Flower PSU instead of the Corsair TX850W (690 GH/s, 470W).


EDIT: Swapped the Corsair TX850 to TX750 just now. Why? I don't know. And I put a fan blowing towards the power parts https://i.imgur.com/JvVzNII.jpg

GH/s went down a bit. Power draw 550W. Temp at 70.00°C after a half an hour and no thermal throttling so far. So what I got with my two Monarchs is 1.45 TH/s for 970 watts which is not bad, but I'd still underclock the faster unit for less heat and noise. Although the two combined are still more quiet than a single Antminer S3 underclocked to 420GH/340W.

[LittleD]

Am i just not used to this type of design, or does it really look jerryrigged?

It's Inaba-rigged. It is a whole new league of "Wow, WTF is that? Will it Work?"

Jerry rigs things with a [barely] respectable thought as to form and function.

Macgyver is crying in his basement right now after seeing this pic.

What was the purpose of this thread?

To help you sell BFL and Monarchs. No.

Go start your own support thread Bruce.

Thank you +1

[bcp19]

If you have a board that is running at 800gh and pulling 570 watts, you are getting close to the limit for the PCIe connectors.  To try and cool it off I would recommend trying one or more of the following:  1) more powerful fan on the radiator (stock is ~.33-.5 amp, try to find a 1 amp or bigger)  2) point a fan at the VRM (the space between the pumps)  3) find a cooler location for the unit.  I'm curious, are you using BFGminer or CGminer?  I know there was talk of commandline underclocking of the units, but I don't know if either program has it implemented as yet.

I'd rather underclock it instead of trying to desperately cool it generating tons of noise in the process, but I'll see what happens. I'm using cgminer 4.6.1 on Linux.

BTW, these units seem to get excited and run faster and hotter with a powerful PSU instead of a weaker one. My 550 GH unit runs cooler and slower (650 GH/s, 420W) when I power it off my 500W Super Flower PSU instead of the Corsair TX850W (690 GH/s, 470W).


EDIT: Swapped the Corsair TX850 to TX750 just now. Why? I don't know. And I put a fan blowing towards the power parts https://i.imgur.com/JvVzNII.jpg

GH/s went down a bit. Power draw 550W. Temp at 70.00°C after a half an hour and no thermal throttling so far. So what I got with my two Monarchs is 1.45 TH/s for 970 watts which is not bad, but I'd still underclock the faster unit for less heat and noise. Although the two combined are still more quiet than a single Antminer S3 underclocked to 420GH/340W.

I wish I had an answer for you on underclocking.  Have you tried running the faster one off of BFGminer yet?  You mentioned a speedup with CGminer on your 550, I'm curious if it will run slower and cooler and if there is as big a difference in speed on the 700. 

[Lassi]

Am i just not used to this type of design, or does it really look jerryrigged?

It's Inaba-rigged. It is a whole new league of "Wow, WTF is that? Will it Work?"

Jerry rigs things with a [barely] respectable thought as to form and function.

Macgyver is crying in his basement right now after seeing this pic.

What was the purpose of this thread?

To help you sell BFL and Monarchs. No.

Go start your own support thread Bruce.

Thank you +1

See he still isn't answering the question. Guess he doesn't want to incriminate himself?

[-ck]

I wish I had an answer for you on underclocking.  Have you tried running the faster one off of BFGminer yet?  You mentioned a speedup with CGminer on your 550, I'm curious if it will run slower and cooler and if there is as big a difference in speed on the 700. 

Very odd. First time ever that on default clocks that if my software runs faster people are looking for ways to slow it down. Let it be known that BFL never informed us of any messaging protocol to over or underclock the devices, so I can't see how we could even implement such a feature. If it runs slower at the same clocks that implies a software limitation.

[bcp19]

I wish I had an answer for you on underclocking.  Have you tried running the faster one off of BFGminer yet?  You mentioned a speedup with CGminer on your 550, I'm curious if it will run slower and cooler and if there is as big a difference in speed on the 700. 

Very odd. First time ever that on default clocks that if my software runs faster people are looking for ways to slow it down. Let it be known that BFL never informed us of any messaging protocol to over or underclock the devices, so I can't see how we could even implement such a feature. If it runs slower at the same clocks that implies a software limitation.

You would have to ask Nasser about that, I know he talked about it.

[-ck]

I wish I had an answer for you on underclocking.  Have you tried running the faster one off of BFGminer yet?  You mentioned a speedup with CGminer on your 550, I'm curious if it will run slower and cooler and if there is as big a difference in speed on the 700. 

Very odd. First time ever that on default clocks that if my software runs faster people are looking for ways to slow it down. Let it be known that BFL never informed us of any messaging protocol to over or underclock the devices, so I can't see how we could even implement such a feature. If it runs slower at the same clocks that implies a software limitation.

You would have to ask Nasser about that, I know he talked about it.

Nasser was on my skype list and I emailed him a few times and got the latest and last set of protocols, and last we spoke we discussed a way of rolling work on the device. There was never any mention of clocking commands, and the nroll-time on the device never eventuated, though this was actually months ago now. Sorry but as far as I can see all development stopped a long time ago on the mofarcher.

[bcp19]

I wish I had an answer for you on underclocking.  Have you tried running the faster one off of BFGminer yet?  You mentioned a speedup with CGminer on your 550, I'm curious if it will run slower and cooler and if there is as big a difference in speed on the 700. 

Very odd. First time ever that on default clocks that if my software runs faster people are looking for ways to slow it down. Let it be known that BFL never informed us of any messaging protocol to over or underclock the devices, so I can't see how we could even implement such a feature. If it runs slower at the same clocks that implies a software limitation.

You would have to ask Nasser about that, I know he talked about it.

Nasser was on my skype list and I emailed him a few times and got the latest and last set of protocols, and last we spoke we discussed a way of rolling work on the device. There was never any mention of clocking commands, and the nroll-time on the device never eventuated, though this was actually months ago now. Sorry but as far as I can see all development stopped a long time ago on the mofarcher.

Since we never got a working version of CGminer, I only have second hand information that it seems to do a better job communicating with the Monarch compared to BFGminer, resulting in several people talking about speed increases.  The 1.4.2 firmware has the capability to accept underclocking commands and I helped test it.  Adjustments could be made to both voltage and frequency that would work until the unit had power cycled on it.  I know from experiance that above 530 watts at the wall that heat becomes a major issue, so it seems that your programs capability of making them run faster is a dual edged sword.

[ElGrandJefe]

Surely if the FTC hadn't stepped in and shut BFL down, the Monarch miners would all be running at 1.5 TH/s, all the customers who requested refunds would have received them, and the BFL offices would be overrun with puppies and unicorns - right, Bruce?

[lightfoot]

Well, if they were not under receivership then we could at least ask them what was in the code, if they could open-source it, how the 4.2.0 BFG code works, etc. I doubt the receiver would know. However if they released instructions for overclocking then people would do it, blow up their miners, then come back to BFL demanding warranty work or refunds.

So it would be in everyone's best interest not to say. *sigh*

The hashing changing with a different power supply thing someone pointed out is interesting: It's possible that the Monarchs are doing a more advanced version of what the Singles and Jallies did when they powered up: They would do sample jobs and such adjusting the clock frequency to find a perfect match within a speed band. That's why they always reported slightly different speeds with ZCX when powered on.

Now on the 1850 chips you could not change the chip voltage, that was controlled by a pair of resistors in a bridge for each set of 8 chips and was static (upping it with a soldering deck would cause all SORTS of fun, Chilis did this and re-defined the meaning of "hot running" for 10+ more gh).

On the Monarch power control chips however, you can. That Intersil chip can do a lot of things....

So now I wonder if what happens is when you power the miner up, the software spends that minute before starting to has sweeping the chips with a range of clocks *and* voltage settings to find the best balance. It would make sense, since that's what the singles kind of did to the best of their ability.

That would also explain why units that are powered down hot then back up before they completely cool will throw those queue errors and make a slightly different high pitched sound: When hot the components like resistor bridges and RC circuits would react a bit differently and it could be choosing a more power/more noise solution as an optimal one. Perhaps the 4.2 code disables sweeps at too high a voltage/clock, or has error correction to clean up any noisy results on the fly.

*sigh*

C

[Lassi]

Well, if they were not under receivership then we could at least ask them what was in the code, if they could open-source it, how the 4.2.0 BFG code works, etc.

You have a direct line to them just ask Bruce to call Nasser they talk regularly.   You were in contact with Bruce and SLok before the shutdown it would have been very easy for you to ask for that given you are a regular on the BFL forums and here making a point to draw consumer attention to BFL miners. You can't deny the special relationship you have with BFL.

[unrealistic]

Is monarch power efficient miner compared to S3 or S4

[xstr8guy]

Is monarch power efficient miner compared to S3 or S4

About .7w/GHs, so yes, about the same as S3/4, ASICMiner Prisma and KNC Neptune.

[ComaWombat]

The hashing changing with a different power supply thing someone pointed out is interesting: It's possible that the Monarchs are doing a more advanced version of what the Singles and Jallies did when they powered up: They would do sample jobs and such adjusting the clock frequency to find a perfect match within a speed band. That's why they always reported slightly different speeds with ZCX when powered on.

It sounds awesome that the unit adjusts to more power being available. With the Corsair TX850 the "550 GH" unit even has less HW errors AND more hashrate. And the downside is more heat and worse efficiency so user control over the max hashrate / clock speed would be a must have.

But what if I were to put an artificial load on the PSU when the Monarch boots up. Then the Monarch would sense the voltage droop / power loss and would adjust itself for a smaller hashrate and voltage. I still have an Ant S3 and that could work as an "artificial" load for the PSU during Monarch bootup. Just a wild thought, but it could work as a very stupid method to "underclock" the device...

I wish I had an answer for you on underclocking.  Have you tried running the faster one off of BFGminer yet?  You mentioned a speedup with CGminer on your 550, I'm curious if it will run slower and cooler and if there is as big a difference in speed on the 700.

Maybe I'll test both again with the custom BFG 4.2 on Windows. For science.

[JoshsAssIsFucked]

The hashing changing with a different power supply thing someone pointed out is interesting: It's possible that the Monarchs are doing a more advanced version of what the Singles and Jallies did when they powered up: They would do sample jobs and such adjusting the clock frequency to find a perfect match within a speed band. That's why they always reported slightly different speeds with ZCX when powered on.

It sounds awesome that the unit adjusts to more power being available. With the Corsair TX850 the "550 GH" unit even has less HW errors AND more hashrate. And the downside is more heat and worse efficiency so user control over the max hashrate / clock speed would be a must have.

But what if I were to put an artificial load on the PSU when the Monarch boots up. Then the Monarch would sense the voltage droop / power loss and would adjust itself for a smaller hashrate and voltage. I still have an Ant S3 and that could work as an "artificial" load for the PSU during Monarch bootup. Just a wild thought, but it could work as a very stupid method to "underclock" the device...

I wish I had an answer for you on underclocking.  Have you tried running the faster one off of BFGminer yet?  You mentioned a speedup with CGminer on your 550, I'm curious if it will run slower and cooler and if there is as big a difference in speed on the 700.

Maybe I'll test both again with the custom BFG 4.2 on Windows. For science.

Well it sure ain't for profit! Mwhahahahaha. Tbh, I don't believe a word you say, your just another bfl employee still towing the line. Probably bcp19 talking to himself if you ask me

[ComaWombat]

Well it sure ain't for profit! Mwhahahahaha. Tbh, I don't believe a word you say, your just another bfl employee still towing the line. Probably bcp19 talking to himself if you ask me

I knew you were nuts, but I didn't know you were that crazy! BTW, I don't mine just for profit, it's also a hobby. If I didn't like tweaking these things I wouldn't have bought them in the first place. I just would've kept mining happily and easily with my Ant S3s.

Just take a look: (CLICK) Do you think BCP19 is a native Finnish speaker/writer?

...

So here's the science part for you guys. I only ran short tests because I know by now how the stats even out in the long run.

There's no difference whatsoever in the heat and power consumption between Linux/cgminer 4.6.1 and Windows 8.1/64bit and the custom BFGminer 4.2.0 when I swap the usb cables between the two PCs. I suspect there would be a difference in the power draw if I power cycled the units first. It would seem that if I boot them up when cold and with a powerful PSU the 700 GH unit gets too excited and overheats. When I power cycle it when warm, the power consumption and hashrate aren't so big. The 700 Gh unit takes 525 Watts right now and that's fine for me. When I booted it up for the first time after I got it from the post office it drew 570W from the wall.

Two Monarchs on Windows:



550 GH on Linux/cg4.6.1:



700 GH on Linux/cg4.6.1:



So the bottom line is that cgminer indicates way way more hashrate compared to bfgminer with the same power consumption. I don't get why the avg short time / long time hashrate stats seem to be backwards between the two monarchs on BFGminer.

I would have to run a long test to see what difference the pools see in the hashrate between cg/bfg. Could cgminer really be doing way more work with the same power consumption?

[k9quaint]

FYI, Joshassfucked (and his alternate accounts) is the only person on this forum I have on ignore. Lots of anger and precious little content coming from him.

If you are curious about how much work is really being done: mine one monarch with CGminer on one pool account for a week and the other with BFGminer on a different pool account. Then swap accounts, run for another week and compare the outcomes.

The short answer is you got a product with mediocre quality at best, no customer support, and alpha software supporting it (not the fault of the developers, BFL is responsible for providing SDKs and developer support). I would be amazed if a single monarch is functional after 6 months of mining. 

Hope things work out.

[Lassi]

FYI, Joshassfucked (and his alternate accounts) is the only person on this forum I have on ignore. Lots of anger and precious little content coming from him.

If you are curious about how much work is really being done: mine one monarch with CGminer on one pool account for a week and the other with BFGminer on a different pool account. Then swap accounts, run for another week and compare the outcomes.

The short answer is you got a product with mediocre quality at best, no customer support, and alpha software supporting it (not the fault of the developers, BFL is responsible for providing SDKs and developer support). I would be amazed if a single monarch is functional after 6 months of mining.  

Hope things work out.

Unlike other units say from Spondoolies Tech that seem stable as bedrock and have unbelievable support and far cheaper.

Obviously the people buying these Monarchs are doing it either as 'paid' publicity for BFL as they have done so in the past or strictly for the novelty or challenge to get them working optimally. Seems like a waste of money and effort to publicize BFL at this stage given the FTC will basically denude them of every stolen bitcoin. And whatever is undiscovered will certainly be visible to the FBI or IRS if it does surface eventually. What is also interesting is the steadfast support of 3 major players, Josh Zerlan, SLok and Bruce Peterson in the scam who have proven they astro turf the BFL record whenever and wherever possible. This thread is just one more iteration of that campaign especially when those 3 make an appearance.

[ComaWombat]

Yup, I've been through multiple GPU rigs, asicminer usb sticks, 65nm BFL stuff, a bunch of Antminer S1s and S3s and I knew beforehand that I would be kind of suckling off Satan's anus or at least dead demon's teats when mining with the Monarchs. I asked for it!

But after all the initial confusion I think soon I'm done here. I'm fine with their performance, noise and the power consumption. I'll still do some testing when I have the time and wait for the units to piss on my carpet, then overheat and burn my house down. If that doesn't happen, then I'm pleasantly surprised.

[ElGrandJefe]

Yup, I've been through multiple GPU rigs, asicminer usb sticks, 65nm BFL stuff, a bunch of Antminer S1s and S3s and I knew beforehand that I would be kind of suckling off Satan's anus or at least dead demon's teats when mining with the Monarchs. I asked for it!

But after all the initial confusion I think soon I'm done here. I'm fine with their performance, noise and the power consumption. I'll still do some testing when I have the time and wait for the units to piss on my carpet, then overheat and burn my house down. If that doesn't happen, then I'm pleasantly surprised.

If you want your house burned down, you need to buy a Black Arrow X-3.

[xstr8guy]

Yup, I've been through multiple GPU rigs, asicminer usb sticks, 65nm BFL stuff, a bunch of Antminer S1s and S3s and I knew beforehand that I would be kind of suckling off Satan's anus or at least dead demon's teats when mining with the Monarchs. I asked for it!

But after all the initial confusion I think soon I'm done here. I'm fine with their performance, noise and the power consumption. I'll still do some testing when I have the time and wait for the units to piss on my carpet, then overheat and burn my house down. If that doesn't happen, then I'm pleasantly surprised.

Don't worry about the angry mob, lol. Obviously there are Monarchs in the wild and people are actually mining with them, myself included. So please continue to share your experiences so others may learn from you or perhaps offer some help.


Countdown to shill accusations in... 3... 2... 1

[ComaWombat]

Don't worry about the angry mob, lol. Obviously there are Monarchs in the wild and people are actually mining with them, myself included. So please continue to share your experiences so others may learn from you or perhaps offer some help.

Indeed the few people who own Monarchs should feel a bit obligated to share their experiences and that's why I'm here. When I wrote "I'm soon done" I meant that I was done with the intensive troubleshooting and testing phase. There's no real need for it as I've reached a certain comfort zone. No imminent danger in sight. Maybe I should replace the coolant with holy water just to be sure.

[xstr8guy]

Don't worry about the angry mob, lol. Obviously there are Monarchs in the wild and people are actually mining with them, myself included. So please continue to share your experiences so others may learn from you or perhaps offer some help.

Indeed the few people who own Monarchs should feel a bit obligated to share their experiences and that's why I'm here. When I wrote "I'm soon done" I meant that I was done with the intensive troubleshooting and testing phase. There's no real need for it as I've reached a certain comfort zone. No imminent danger in sight. Maybe I should replace the coolant with holy water just to be sure.

Lol!

I hate to say it, in fear of jinxing myself, but my two 700GHs Monarchs have been quite reliable. That is, once I figured out for myself (no thanks to BFL) that only the custom BFGMiner 4.2 works at all... and aimed fans at the boards.

Now if I could just find someone who has Monarchs working with an rPi. It's utterly ridiculous these days to have to use a PC as a controller.

[Lassi]

Yup, I've been through multiple GPU rigs, asicminer usb sticks, 65nm BFL stuff, a bunch of Antminer S1s and S3s and I knew beforehand that I would be kind of suckling off Satan's anus or at least dead demon's teats when mining with the Monarchs. I asked for it!

But after all the initial confusion I think soon I'm done here. I'm fine with their performance, noise and the power consumption. I'll still do some testing when I have the time and wait for the units to piss on my carpet, then overheat and burn my house down. If that doesn't happen, then I'm pleasantly surprised.

Don't worry about the angry mob, lol. Obviously there are Monarchs in the wild and people are actually mining with them, myself included. So please continue to share your experiences so others may learn from you or perhaps offer some help.


Countdown to shill accusations in... 3... 2... 1

By all means let us not stop you from "praising" BFL and their products you are certainly making it very clear that these things are unsupported and fraught with disaster unless you have the requisite skills or a direct line like Lightfoot / Mr. Teal to support from Bruce and others in BFL. Mining is pretty much dead anyhow small scale so watching a few Monarchs mine after adding on hundreds of dollars in extras and hours and hours of support from the BFL defacto service team is simply an education in the lengths BFL is willing to go to support a narrative that they are some how here to help the community with their product. All one has to do is compare BFL with companies that actually ship on time and provide customer support in real time.

What have you spent in time and money so far to get one miner working to the specifications that BFL promised originally in 2013? We obviously can see that the size of the unit and configuration is not data center ready by any means compared to plug play units from the competition that do not require intensive care to run or water cooling.

[xstr8guy]

Yup, I've been through multiple GPU rigs, asicminer usb sticks, 65nm BFL stuff, a bunch of Antminer S1s and S3s and I knew beforehand that I would be kind of suckling off Satan's anus or at least dead demon's teats when mining with the Monarchs. I asked for it!

But after all the initial confusion I think soon I'm done here. I'm fine with their performance, noise and the power consumption. I'll still do some testing when I have the time and wait for the units to piss on my carpet, then overheat and burn my house down. If that doesn't happen, then I'm pleasantly surprised.

Don't worry about the angry mob, lol. Obviously there are Monarchs in the wild and people are actually mining with them, myself included. So please continue to share your experiences so others may learn from you or perhaps offer some help.


Countdown to shill accusations in... 3... 2... 1

By all means let us not stop you from praising BFL and their products. Mining is pretty much dead anyhow small scale so watching a few Monarchs mine after adding on hundreds of dollars in extras and hours and hours of support from the BFL defacto service team is simply an education in the lengths BFL is willing to go to support a narrative that they are some how here to help the community with their product. All one has to do is compare BFL with companies that actually ship on time and provide customer support in real time.

What have you spent in time and money so far to get one miner working to the specifications that BFL promised originally in 2013? We obviously can see that the size of the unit and configuration is not data center ready by any means compared to plug play units from the competition that do not require intensive care to run or water cooling.

I'm well aware of what the competition offers, lol. Of my current 10THs home setup, only 1.4THs is manufactured by BFL. I have gear from Bitfury, KNC and Bitmain as well. I haven't had to spend additional money to get my Monarchs running since I had fans and PSUs leftover from other retired rigs.

And yes, I'm also aware that home mining is dead. I've made dozens of posts on that very topic. I'm in the last days of mining with my 1w/GHs gear and will only have three S3s and two Monarchs running soon. And I know I will never have a positive ROI on the Monarchs. They are the last miners I will ever purchase. I had an early first day preorder and I simply wanted the machines. I know it's not rational, lol. I'm stubborn that way and I love mining gear so I'm not apologizing to anyone for my silly purchase. I did refund a later order though.

You're mistaken if you think I'm praising BFL and their products. Is it just because I said my Monarchs were stable? I've been very critical of BFL as my post history will most likely show. I'm overjoyed that the FTC stepped in! But I'm also "lucky" to have received my order, had compensation cloudhashing for several months and had to wait less than a month for a refund on my other order. I feel bad for those who are now stuck in limbo.

[Lassi]

We know you know the score given your posts. Others do not seem forthright.

Let us hope the FTC starts dispensing refunds.

[ComaWombat]

Now if I could just find someone who has Monarchs working with an rPi. It's utterly ridiculous these days to have to use a PC as a controller.

I would be one of them although I'm running them on Ubuntu 14.04 and Windows right now. But I do have cgminer 4.6.1 configured for running two Monarchs on rPi/raspbian OS.

There was a thread about running BFL stuff on rPi but I don't think I've read it. I like to bang my head against a wall and try things myself. Then maybe rtfm and correct the mistakes if needed.

So to put the long story short is:

a) install raspbian on an SD card, use google and RTFM if necessary
b) don't configure and install a GUI, just stay with the command line stuff
c) google howtos about installing cgminer on Linux and do the same, but make sure to get cgminer 4.6.1
d) configure cgminer with "--enable-bflsc" flag
e) compile cgminer
f) run cgminer: sudo ./cgminer
g) configure the pools
h) plug in the Mofarchers
i) profit

Make sure cgminer has write access to cgminer.conf so the changes made are really saved in the file. I'm a Linux noob so this is a very rudimentary "howto".

An extra step would be to install a web server and copy the "miner.php" file from the cgminer folder to the public server folder and then enable api/network access in the cgminer.conf. Then you could access your mining stats anywhere in the world.

[ComaWombat]

Oh, and cgminer 4.6.1 on Windows is fine, too. Just use "zadig" software to change the BFL SHA256 drivers to "winusb" and they'll work perfectly.

[sbogovac]

Now if I could just find someone who has Monarchs working with an rPi. It's utterly ridiculous these days to have to use a PC as a controller.

I would be one of them although I'm running them on Ubuntu 14.04 and Windows right now. But I do have cgminer 4.6.1 configured for running two Monarchs on rPi/raspbian OS.

There was a thread about running BFL stuff on rPi but I don't think I've read it. I like to bang my head against a wall and try things myself. Then maybe rtfm and correct the mistakes if needed.

So to put the long story short is:

a) install raspbian on an SD card, use google and RTFM if necessary
b) don't configure and install a GUI, just stay with the command line stuff
c) google howtos about installing cgminer on Linux and do the same, but make sure to get cgminer 4.6.1
d) configure cgminer with "--enable-bflsc" flag
e) compile cgminer
f) run cgminer: sudo ./cgminer
g) configure the pools
h) plug in the Mofarchers
i) profit

Make sure cgminer has write access to cgminer.conf so the changes made are really saved in the file. I'm a Linux noob so this is a very rudimentary "howto".

An extra step would be to install a web server and copy the "miner.php" file from the cgminer folder to the public server folder and then enable api/network access in the cgminer.conf. Then you could access your mining stats anywhere in the world.

I made a tutorial on running (Technobit and) BFL stuff off of rPi's, check the link in my signature... But that was on the 68nm stuff (I was early enough to allready have my Monarch "investment" refunded...)

Good luck!

[ComaWombat]

What have you spent in time and money so far to get one miner working to the specifications that BFL promised originally in 2013? We obviously can see that the size of the unit and configuration is not data center ready by any means compared to plug play units from the competition that do not require intensive care to run or water cooling.

I'll hijack this question right here and answer it myself.

So I got 1.4 TH/s with the two Monarchs right now. They cost 590 euros combined including postage. I already had PSUs for them. In comparison I could get a second hand Spondoolies SP10 1.4TH for a thousand euros right now in Finland. I already had four Antminer S3s but sold three of them for roughly a thousand euros.

Yes, I'm sure the Spoony SP10 is data center ready and more reliable. But I've heard it sounds like a jet engine. The Monarchs pack way way more power per unit compared to an Antminer S3. They are more quiet than an Antminer S3. The water cooling is a GOOD thing if it doesn't break or leak and you don't have to pay extra for it. Many PC enthusiasts would love to have water cooling for their cpus and gpus.

So for a hobbyist and a home miner a Monarch can be just fine if you can get it for a right price and it doesn't break down. For a datacenter the Molly is surely quite unreliable and wonky crap. And yes, btc mining profitability sucks for everybody right now so you really would need to get the miners for free to make any decent profit.

[lightfoot]

*nod* I'd agree, the Monarch is not going to work very well in racks in a data center. The more I watch reports of failures, and the more I think about it, the more I see that the big failure here is that it's throwing heat in 3 directions:

• There's the heat coming off the radiator on the end. A lot, but well managed; it blows out and away.
• There's the heat coming from the back of the board. Also a lot, but going sideways.
• And there's the heat coming off the tops of those FETs. Just drifting off the other side.

That's probably the killer: If you put a monarch next to another monarch, the heat from the back of one set of fets blows onto the front of the one next to it. Making those fets hotter. And then next one you put down is going to get even hotter air blown on it from the neighbors. Eventually the FETs overheat, conduct, and short out. Or they throttle a lot and run slow. But with limited heat transfer ability I could see a top fet overheating before the temp sensor on the bottom picks it up.

I think that's the #1 problem with these things (technically): If you don't have some air flow, a heat sink is nothing but a metal blanket on a part. And heat sink efficiency depends completely on the difference in temp between the part and the ambient air temps. Blow hot air on a FET with a heat sink and it's not going to work. Blow air front to back, and you will just cavitate the air on the back heat sink (essentially fighting with the fan), and totally miss the tops of the FETs (due to the water block).

Top to bottom fans would be better, but then you need to move the heat into the hot aisle with baffles or something. And the bottom of the tray will limit the air flow. But in any case, the bottom FETs are going to get hotter and conduct more than the top ones. Which will result in the bottom ones conducting too much, going into thermal runaway, and boom.

The second thing is a basic problem: Those FETs are just packed in too damn close. On the Singles you had six FETs in a small area, but then you had board space for the heat to dissipate. Here you have 18 FETs on one side, the 18 on the other between two of the hottest things on the board and the FET drivers in the middle (which generate heat because they have to switch the gates under a 24-1 voltage ratio). There's just nowhere for the heat to go but out the back, and the high density means that a lot of heat needs to be moved off the board quickly.

The back heat sink doesn't get too warm, which sounds nice except that it means the thermal transfer from the board to the sink is limited. That's why the FETs went to 100c while the heat sink on the back was cool to the touch. A front fan fixed that, but still not optimal if you have more than one Monarch.

Kind of reminds me of the singles: Putting half the FETs on the ends of the board was a good idea. But putting the other half in the center of the board, between the heat sinks for the chips, was a bad idea. That's why you could either run them like banshees with full fans in the cases, or more quietly if you took them out of the case and put a single fan blowing air in from the *side* against those center heat sinks.

Ug.

I'm getting a blown one in tomorrow, shorts power supplies and the pump was leaking, I'll post what I find as I fix it. Could just be a shorted FET, if so removing the fets on that side should get half of it going and putting on a new FET should fix it. We'll see.

Actually if this one's plumbing is bad as well I might try to splice in one of the sedion water blocks I used on a jally and put that on the back of the board while purging the water loop. Then *all* of the heat would go to the radiator and out, that might do it. Or just put a water block with it's own radiator on the back and see what happens to the FETs on the front.

Hm.

[ComaWombat]

Yeah, it baffles my mind how they were ever trying to extract 1 TH out of the card when the 700 GH is so close to crapping itself even with no heat sources close to it.

But I have a suggestion for the 1 TH Ultra Imperial Supermonarch (MSRP $4500).

A huge machined copper slab of a water block which covers the entire surface of the card including the VRMs. And the air cooled heat sink in the center should be replaced with another copper slab with heat pipes connecting it to the main water block. Then add an external water pump, a bigger radiator and a fan.

And there you have it! No heat soak and radiation all over the place. And it only costs an arm and a leg or maybe all of your limbs.

[Lassi]

I'm getting a blown one in tomorrow

BFL supplying you that one?

[wrb2010]

I'm getting a blown one in tomorrow

BFL supplying you that one?

I can answer this one. Nope.

[lightfoot]

The broken monarch came in under the "just donate the repair cost to a food bank" program :-) 500gh unit, small heat sink on the back, leaking water system, shorted out unit.

Sure enough it was leaking even on the trip over, and when I shake it I can hear the water sloshing in the radiator (which means it is not full, and ain't gonna work). Need to talk to the user about opening the loop and purging it.

However I think I see the problems: One is that it's not leaking around the pump it's leaking *inside* the pump block, specifically by the left flexible fitting. That's really odd.

And the FETs on the left side are shot. We can tell because of the 0 ohm resistance at the +12 power plugs (short) and the 0 ohm readings on the gates on one side with 50 ohm readings on the other side's gates. Simple enough, parts on the way.

Hm. I'm going to clean this up and take some pics to see if that's where the problem really is. Running with the radiator upside-down allows it to run with less than 100% water so I can see it leak.

[ComaWombat]

Good news everybody! And bad news for everybody whose Monarch has already exploded, leaked, warped or burned due to overheating. BFL started giving away instructions how to underclock those things so they have a smaller chance of self-destructing:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/the-monarch-discussion/8787-how-do-we-overclock-monarchs-post87154.html#post87154

On hindsight it's mindnumbing to think that everybody would have been able to freely underclock and undervolt their Monarchs instead of running them super hot.

BTW, I used the commands through the usb/serial interface as I'm running cgminer instead of bfgminer. And I could have used those commands all along, right from the start, had I known them. Jeez... But better late than never.  

[noddy2000]

Good news everybody! And bad news for everybody whose Monarch has already exploded, leaked, warped or burned due to overheating. BFL started giving away instructions how to underclock those things so they have a smaller chance of self-destructing:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/the-monarch-discussion/8787-how-do-we-overclock-monarchs-post87154.html#post87154

On hindsight it's mindnumbing to think that everybody would have been able to freely underclock and undervolt their Monarchs instead of running them super hot.

BTW, I used the commands through the usb/serial interface as I'm running cgminer instead of bfgminer. And I could have used those commands all along, right from the start, had I known them. Jeez... But better late than never.  

Just turn it off and keep it as a reminder not to be fooled again In the future by scumbag unempathetic cockroaches and put it on the shelf as the auniment it is!

Sorry but anyone ordering off bfl after the 65nm, nevermind the fpga's I have no sympathy for. Greed over doing a little research. April 2012 I called them out but got ridiculed a d banned from here because josh was paying them $1000's a month as he's in bed with the scammer theymos who owns this site. Josh even scammed on glbse with theymos lol.

Noticed its dead around here these days. Good

[ComaWombat]

Just turn it off and keep it as a reminder not to be fooled again In the future by scumbag unempathetic cockroaches and put it on the shelf as the auniment it is!

I'm one of the guys who told other people that preordering Monarchs was like russian roulette with five rounds in a six-shooter. It turned out to be russian roulette with a fully loaded semi-automatic, but I don't care as I bought them second hand at +30% Ant S3 price and they're far far better than S3s.

[noddy2000]

Just turn it off and keep it as a reminder not to be fooled again In the future by scumbag unempathetic cockroaches and put it on the shelf as the auniment it is!

I'm one of the guys who told other people that preordering Monarchs was like russian roulette with five rounds in a six-shooter. It turned out to be russian roulette with a fully loaded semi-automatic, but I don't care as I bought them second hand at +30% Ant S3 price and they're far far better than S3s.

Until it blows! Bfl are dead! No ones going order from them anymore (unless you support unempathetic pathological liars).

Its called morals. I know, most people (especially here) lack any!

[jjiimm_64]

 No ones going order from them anymore (unless you support unempathetic pathological liars).

Its called morals. I know, most people (especially here) lack any!

It is not about morals.. it is economics.. if BFL offers a product to compete price wise, they will get orders.. hell I might order from them.

but since 3 sp20 can be bought for 1200 bucks.. I doubt anyone will buy a monarch

[noddy2000]

 No ones going order from them anymore (unless you support unempathetic pathological liars).

Its called morals. I know, most people (especially here) lack any!

It is not about morals.. it is economics.. if BFL offers a product to compete price wise, they will get orders.. hell I might order from them.

but since 3 sp20 can be bought for 1200 bucks.. I doubt anyone will buy a monarch

1 word describes you then,

Greed!

If you think life is about money I really feel sorry for your lost soul

[-ck]

1 word describes you then,

Greed!

If you think life is about money I really feel sorry for your lost soul

Reality check: You're on a forum for a cryptocurrency, i.e. money.

[Syke]

It is not about morals.. it is economics.. if BFL offers a product to compete price wise, they will get orders.. hell I might order from them.

Yeah, that's not going to happen. They have an obsolete design, and no way to fund development of a new design. BFL is finished.

[Gleb Gamow]

It is not about morals.. it is economics.. if BFL offers a product to compete price wise, they will get orders.. hell I might order from them.

Yeah, that's not going to happen. They have an obsolete design, and no way to fund development of a new design. BFL is finished.

"Does this mean that my days of fuckin' Maude are coming to an end?"

[noddy2000]

1 word describes you then,

Greed!

If you think life is about money I really feel sorry for your lost soul

Reality check: You're on a forum for a cryptocurrency, i.e. money.

Depends if your talking about bitcoin or Bitcoin. Big difference! Bitcoin will fail, Bitcoin the protocol won't! And things will be built on Bitcoin, whereas bitcoin the currency will eventually be left behind when society rids the clopocracy that create the 'class' system.

If people don't start to realise that helping others is the most rewarding g thing in life, there's no hope for humanity and money will be lost anyways. People who treasure money over people just don't get it!

[jjiimm_64]

whereas bitcoin the currency will eventually be left behind when society rids the clopocracy that create the 'class' system.

maybe we should add your rant to the http://bitcoinobituaries.com/

see you in a few months

[noddy2000]

whereas bitcoin the currency will eventually be left behind when society rids the clopocracy that create the 'class' system.

maybe we should add your rant to the http://bitcoinobituaries.com/

see you in a few months

Do what you like, but think about who benefits from a class system! Then again, if you think you'll be classed as a 'non violent extremest!'! Better be careful with them braincells if your not prepared for the consequences!

[sbogovac]

<snip>

Since you just don't seem to (want to) get it (what alias is this for you here, the 4th/5th?); and you keep wasting people's (with good intentions) time (until you get ignored/banned again), let me (try to) "help" you and put it bluntly:

Get off your freaking high horse! What do you think, this is some special knowledge you're spewing all the time? Well guess what, it's "out there" for all to find. And these self-thought sources you're putting up all the time? Did you produce them, or what?

Help is only help when asked for and agreed upon bilaterally. When pushed unilaterally it is nothing more that for your own benefit of feeling better than others... Well, feel better now?

It's not about your message (although most of the time off topic) it's about your (lack of) communication (skills). So: GROW UP OR SHUT UP! Please?

[noddy2000]

<snip>

Since you just don't seem to (want to) get it (what alias is this for you here, the 4th/5th?); and you keep wasting people's (with good intentions) time (until you get ignored/banned again), let me (try to) "help" you and put it bluntly:

Get off your freaking high horse! What do you think, this is some special knowledge you're spewing all the time? Well guess what, it's "out there" for all to find. And these self-thought sources you're putting up all the time? Did you produce them, or what?

Help is only help when asked for and agreed upon bilaterally. When pushed unilaterally it is nothing more that for your own benefit of feeling better than others... Well, feel better now?

It's not about your message (although most of the time off topic) it's about your (lack of) communication (skills). So: GROW UP OR SHUT UP! Please?

No worries sir!

As for high horse lol. That was funny. My points are very connected even though you don't see it! Social engineering as made monkeys out of a vast majority of western people and they come here and moan when people like bfl, ba, knc, counterra etc use what the ruling elite do for their own gains. But if you can't see that that's what happens, you will continue to be swindled time and time again! When someone points you on to it, you prefer to mock, that's fine. I've lost nothing as I say personally (bar a 50gh single I ordered July 2011 so next to nothing). Again, greed will be all your downfalls!

High horse hahaha, that was funny!

[Zelek Uther]

Is monarch power efficient miner compared to S3 or S4

About .7w/GHs, so yes, about the same as S3/4, ASICMiner Prisma and KNC Neptune.

The Neptune is more efficient: 0.59 J/GH.

[ComaWombat]

I've lost nothing as I say personally (bar a 50gh single I ordered July 2011 so next to nothing). Again, greed will be all your downfalls!

So you were super greedy yourself. You were a gullible and greedy fool and preordered a mining machine from BFL hoping for amazing profits so you could just sit on your lazy ass doing nothing.

You've been a bad bad person with no morals. So tell me, how many BTC did that BFL single cost you in 2011?

[noddy2000]

I've lost nothing as I say personally (bar a 50gh single I ordered July 2011 so next to nothing). Again, greed will be all your downfalls!

So you were super greedy yourself. You were a gullible and greedy fool and preordered a mining machine from BFL hoping for amazing profits so you could just sit on your lazy ass doing nothing.

You've been a bad bad person with no morals. So tell me, how many BTC did that BFL single cost you in 2011?

74btc, it mined back 3-4 and now sits proudly as an auniment on the shelf haha :-)

And I was interested in the tech and was running 20+ GPUs and guess what, I used all the coins. As I do today so I don't use fiat wherever possible so I do t fund all the banksters wars around the world. It wasn't greed, it was my inate interest in technology and trying to help the block chain technology get off the ground which it has. When I went the btc conference in 2012 in London I met josh and knew straight away it was a scam and a loss cause. No myther though, it was always a long shot and it was all disposable. The technology is an amazing thing in its simplicity and can help the whole world. I care for people everywhere and understand how privileged I've been to be raised in a so called 'developed' world and want to make everyone sequel. Think about it, if everyone was first class the 'elite' would have to queue up the same as everyone. If everyone had the same playing field the rich and powerful would have to do their own stuff like everyone else instead of using people with false power. They would have to be like us! Who benefits from a class system? Yup, those 0.00001%! Those that gave us the name sheeple, although a very apt term as we truly have the power to create. They just like to feed us with what they want us to create. Clever, simple and very evil principles. Credit where credit is due. THIS is why I'm interested in Bitcoin, as the financial system (false fiat one) is used to manipulate us all. It provides an alternative to the prehistoric methods we have used for 1000's of years that a few have always controlled societies through. Think, if there isn't enough money out there to pay of the debt, what does it make the average Joe do? Work for an unachievable goal! Clever and simple once again. I suppose I give them too much credit as its ourselves that allow it for false securities.

But mostly, it can bring the oppressed in this world (90% of so called developing countries) a chance to play on the same playing field as us. People at the bottom know what's important in life, people in these false paridices (developed countries) have been turned into self worshipping, greedy, vain moronic sacks of waste less pieces of shit! Again, I'm not that blind that its not there fault as we've had our senses used against us at every level. But trying to get this across to people is an uphill struggle. I have the pleasure of working with someone who created m-pesa and see what a simple technology can do for those without! Bitcoin block chain as been used as currency for its first app to bring money into the 21st century. Although must needed, it won't be the last or probably the most innovative thing this technology brings the people. All people! The world is bigger than USA you know! Over 300 countries don't even get noticed! Talk about sick twisted world! No compassion for the fellow man! That's many peoples downfalls here too! I've lived in India, traveled south america extensively and Vietnam, Cambodia & Thailand and lived with the deprived! One thing they have over so called developed countries! A god damn heart!!!

I reside.in the EU (for now) but trust me, its only to bring down the established mafia that's manipulating this world! I will do that to my dieing breath! So next time you want to call me greedy! Take a look in the mirror, and you will see greed! And vanity! Your brain is for critical thinking, not filling it with bullshit! Your heart is you, listen to it, stop ignoring it!

Impossible to portray these deep spiritual things in text, but I try, more than others can even be bothered to do!

Have I done bad things, yes. Have I been 'evil'? Yes. We all have the choice no matter how hard or damaging the consequences may be for ourselves or others. Life isn't fair, never said it was! But its not a fair playing field that we are competing in. The matrix if you like! This is what I fight against and stand for and I choice this! I make sacrifices for others as they do for me. Remember, if you give (not bullshit charities, truly give!) You will make a world of plenty and not only that, create a world of love and joy as a side effect. Everything is a side effect of how we think and what we do about those thoughts. That's why the TV as been such a powerful tool for the few. People don't realise it is all controlled but by simple mechanisms. As I say, social engineering! Understanding is the first step to setting yourself free!

Then you probably will stop getting taken for a mug! Its all you crying here that bfl took your false wealth, and the side effects of that is impairing your judgement. You probably won't understand anything I've said here and choice to label me because that makes you feel better in your boxed in world but its the one that has the last laugh that will win. That'll be me BTW as I do not fear (fictional events actually realised) like so many people have been programmed to do. Experiments in the 40's came up with fear is what crafts people and they have used them principles ever since! You don't even know your own history, only what you've been told! Lol. Everything is a lie, so they can bend you will and stop you thinking. A thinking person (weather there belief is right or wrong) is the most dangerous to the few who want control!

You don't even realise how fitting your name is! Comawombat hahahahaha. That's better than sheeple I think :-)

Good people will always be taunted and belittled in this bullshit world we've allowed to exist. Water off a ducks back to me young child. There are no adults in this world. And the truth is, were all fools, bar no one! The aim is to be a wise fool! Or at least try! This is a testing ground, the holographic universe. Its not even real itself haha. That will be too deep for you and others though more than likely. It requires an open mind and understanding that we know nothing and never will, at least, in this time and space. (Time does not exist and is a mear man made measurement but you get the jist).

/rant

P.s, monopoly was made by a wealthy american woman actually (not some poor dude as they say) to show that the fiat system can not work. Of cause, they can't have you knowing the truth, as truth sets you free. And remember, it all goes back in the box at the end!

[ComaWombat]

I was just kidding, you silly person you.

BTW, TLDR any of that.

[dropt]

I've lost nothing as I say personally (bar a 50gh single I ordered July 2011 so next to nothing). Again, greed will be all your downfalls!

So you were super greedy yourself. You were a gullible and greedy fool and preordered a mining machine from BFL hoping for amazing profits so you could just sit on your lazy ass doing nothing.

You've been a bad bad person with no morals. So tell me, how many BTC did that BFL single cost you in 2011?

74btc, it mined back 3-4 and now sits proudly as an auniment on the shelf haha :-)

You're so full of shit.  You didn't order anything BFL in July 2011, and you certainly didn't mine 222 - 296 BTC with a 50 GH single.

[Korbman]

74btc, it mined back 3-4 and now sits proudly as an auniment on the shelf haha :-)

You're so full of shit.  You didn't order anything BFL in July 2011, and you certainly didn't mine 222 - 296 BTC with a 50 GH single.

I think you misread the opening...or at least I read it as spending BTC74 for the miner and only making BTC3-4 with it.

[MrTeal]

74btc, it mined back 3-4 and now sits proudly as an auniment on the shelf haha :-)

You're so full of shit.  You didn't order anything BFL in July 2011, and you certainly didn't mine 222 - 296 BTC with a 50 GH single.

I think you misread the opening...or at least I read it as spending BTC74 for the miner and only making BTC3-4 with it.

I'm guessing dropt was saying that BFL wasn't even around in July 2011. Even if he meant July 2012, a 50GH/s Single was $1299 and BTC was $6.50-$9.50, so he wasn't getting one for BTC77 in July 2012 either.

[Korbman]

74btc, it mined back 3-4 and now sits proudly as an auniment on the shelf haha :-)

You're so full of shit.  You didn't order anything BFL in July 2011, and you certainly didn't mine 222 - 296 BTC with a 50 GH single.

I think you misread the opening...or at least I read it as spending BTC74 for the miner and only making BTC3-4 with it.

I'm guessing dropt was saying that BFL wasn't even around in July 2011. Even if he meant July 2012, a 50GH/s Single was $1299 and BTC was $6.50-$9.50, so he wasn't getting one for BTC77 in July 2012 either.

Ah, got it, that makes more sense. Ha, even I didn't pay attention to the dates

[dropt]

74btc, it mined back 3-4 and now sits proudly as an auniment on the shelf haha :-)

You're so full of shit.  You didn't order anything BFL in July 2011, and you certainly didn't mine 222 - 296 BTC with a 50 GH single.

I think you misread the opening...or at least I read it as spending BTC74 for the miner and only making BTC3-4 with it.

I'm guessing dropt was saying that BFL wasn't even around in July 2011. Even if he meant July 2012, a 50GH/s Single was $1299 and BTC was $6.50-$9.50, so he wasn't getting one for BTC77 in July 2012 either.

Both actually, thanks Mr. Teal.  

Korbman, you're right, for some reason I did misread 3-4 as 3x - 4x.   Mr.Teals points stand though, no BFL in 2011, and no Single for 77BTC.

[noddy2000]

I was just kidding, you silly person you.

BTW, TLDR any of that.

Just read the p.s then ;-)

[noddy2000]

I've lost nothing as I say personally (bar a 50gh single I ordered July 2011 so next to nothing). Again, greed will be all your downfalls!

So you were super greedy yourself. You were a gullible and greedy fool and preordered a mining machine from BFL hoping for amazing profits so you could just sit on your lazy ass doing nothing.

You've been a bad bad person with no morals. So tell me, how many BTC did that BFL single cost you in 2011?

74btc, it mined back 3-4 and now sits proudly as an auniment on the shelf haha :-)

You're so full of shit.  You didn't order anything BFL in July 2011, and you certainly didn't mine 222 - 296 BTC with a 50 GH single.

can you read? I paid 74 and mined 3 or 4 back and its now turned off and sitting on the shelf! I was mining with 5850's and 5870's from 2010 too. Why should I care if you believe me or not? Haha. 1 thing I'm not is a liar! (Intentionally)Unlike most people!

@ teal - I did go check when I read your comment. Order #3957 July 19th 2012, $1,387.00 with standard shipping (good call). So yes, 2012. My mistake but can you blame me for not remembering fully with the in 2 weeks mantra lol. So there it is for you all. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it :-p

It even has no lid because the design is that bad it made loads of noise because the fans were too close to the metal frame. I can provide picture evidence of it as its still sitting  there from when it was switched off, cables and all. But do you really need that much! Although I may come across strongly and aragant (arragonce creates leaders and is not a bad thing all in all) I do not try to hurt, harm or lie to my fellow man! This world makes people so sceptical about everything lol. Why would I lie about something so trivial haha

[MrTeal]

I've lost nothing as I say personally (bar a 50gh single I ordered July 2011 so next to nothing). Again, greed will be all your downfalls!

So you were super greedy yourself. You were a gullible and greedy fool and preordered a mining machine from BFL hoping for amazing profits so you could just sit on your lazy ass doing nothing.

You've been a bad bad person with no morals. So tell me, how many BTC did that BFL single cost you in 2011?

74btc, it mined back 3-4 and now sits proudly as an auniment on the shelf haha :-)

You're so full of shit.  You didn't order anything BFL in July 2011, and you certainly didn't mine 222 - 296 BTC with a 50 GH single.

can you read? I paid 74 and mined 3 or 4 back and its now turned off and sitting on the shelf! I was mining with 5850's and 5870's from 2010 too. Why should I care if you believe me or not? Haha. 1 thing I'm not is a liar! (Intentionally)Unlike most people!

@ teal - I did go check when I read your comment. Order #3957 July 19th 2012, $1,387.00 with standard shipping (good call). So yes, 2012. My mistake but can you blame me for not remembering fully with the in 2 weeks mantra lol. So there it is for you all. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it :-p

It even has no lid because the design is that bad it made loads of noise because the fans were too close to the metal frame. I can provide picture evidence of it as its still sitting  there from when it was switched off, cables and all. But do you really need that much! Although I may come across strongly and aragant (arragonce creates leaders and is not a bad thing all in all) I do not try to hurt, harm or lie to my fellow man! This world makes people so sceptical about everything lol. Why would I lie about something so trivial haha

You are probably wrong about the price then. The Single would have been more like BTC150
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg60zczsg2012-07-18zeg2012-07-20ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv

[noddy2000]

I've lost nothing as I say personally (bar a 50gh single I ordered July 2011 so next to nothing). Again, greed will be all your downfalls!

So you were super greedy yourself. You were a gullible and greedy fool and preordered a mining machine from BFL hoping for amazing profits so you could just sit on your lazy ass doing nothing.

You've been a bad bad person with no morals. So tell me, how many BTC did that BFL single cost you in 2011?

74btc, it mined back 3-4 and now sits proudly as an auniment on the shelf haha :-)

You're so full of shit.  You didn't order anything BFL in July 2011, and you certainly didn't mine 222 - 296 BTC with a 50 GH single.

can you read? I paid 74 and mined 3 or 4 back and its now turned off and sitting on the shelf! I was mining with 5850's and 5870's from 2010 too. Why should I care if you believe me or not? Haha. 1 thing I'm not is a liar! (Intentionally)Unlike most people!

@ teal - I did go check when I read your comment. Order #3957 July 19th 2012, $1,387.00 with standard shipping (good call). So yes, 2012. My mistake but can you blame me for not remembering fully with the in 2 weeks mantra lol. So there it is for you all. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it :-p

It even has no lid because the design is that bad it made loads of noise because the fans were too close to the metal frame. I can provide picture evidence of it as its still sitting  there from when it was switched off, cables and all. But do you really need that much! Although I may come across strongly and aragant (arragonce creates leaders and is not a bad thing all in all) I do not try to hurt, harm or lie to my fellow man! This world makes people so sceptical about everything lol. Why would I lie about something so trivial haha

You are probably wrong about the price then. The Single would have been more like BTC150
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg60zczsg2012-07-18zeg2012-07-20ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv

Interesting. Im sure it was but I do throw btc about like candy though. Who cares what the price is as I say. Ive given so much away over the years (£/$1,000's worth) to get people to see the basic uses i really do forget the amounts. The aim is to use bitcoin and not let greed dictate what you do with them (holding on to them hoping to make 'profit' in false fiat currency). Luckily 3rd world (derogitive term, I shouldn't use that) get it and they are the people using it for good things. Grass routes and all. They are the real people who bennifit from this technology, not the greed of us westerners, including myself in that! If you earn £15000/$20000 a year, your in the top 1% in this world! Think about that! People who earn that still don't have a great life and are not classed as 'rich' by a long shot! But their top 1%!  So fucking sad.

bitcoins fungibility is the biggest importance and that's always improving and growing. The lack of nodes on the system as there's no 'reward' for doing that is its biggest problem and no one talks about that! Price is irrelivent and intrinsic value is maluable as well and always changing. That's why I have a good laugh at gold bugs. So last millennia and a form of control itself along with religion  ;-)

As I say, greed will be most peoples downfall here. They don't understand simple principles of life and what's really important! When you can't get a drink of water for 2 days or are starving for a month, then come back and tell me what's worth what! The only thing worth anything is our labour actually, everything else is irrelivent as its our labour that creates, nothing else! And they manipulate our behaviour through false currency. That's it at its bare essentials. I'm hoping the bitcoin protocol eventually takes us to a cashless society where people help each other and live in abundance! Not the manipulated bullshit we have today. But one step at a time hey!

[sidehack]

$20K a year? That's probably twice what I'm making these days.

[noddy2000]

$20K a year? That's probably twice what I'm making these days.

Still in top 3%! USA's average in 2004 (latest I can get) is 60k, the median is 44k so we'll use that. That's actually top 0.1%! You see the disconnect? Specially blaming the top 1% for it when really its the top 0.000001% that have 95%+ of the wealth! Over 8 billion people and about 10,000-50,000 people own 95%!

This is why bitcoin is important and why Bitcoin block chain can change this! Make it a level playing field for all. Fuck us privileged ass wipes who moan about bullshit all day everyday. Its not about me or you! We've been fucked with all our lives and don't realise what we got while other pay the price! Were not lucky or privileged or whatever, were selfish, greedy sacks of shit who take everything for granted! Programming at school and manipulation is why so don't blame yourself, its just how it is! But its time for change and that's 1 thing that's always sat true, change waits for no man :-)

Bfl scammers just use this programming that's been done on us against as them at the top do. That's it. They understand what's really going on and use it for their own gains. That's the raw deal of it all. This is why this bfl bullshit is interesting to me. There essentially the same mentality of our manipulators. Do they realise it themselves because they lack empathy and do everything for themselves, not sure, ask them! This is how I clocked josh was a scumbag within 5 minutes of conversation, and knew it was a lost cause with them. No skin off my nose, you'll be judged at the end of this life for your words and actions ;-)

[xstr8guy]

I was just kidding, you silly person you.

BTW, TLDR any of that.

I tried to read it but there were so many spelling errors and the use of incorrect words. It made my brain hurt after 3 sentences.

[noddy2000]

I was just kidding, you silly person you.

BTW, TLDR any of that.

I tried to read it but there were so many spelling errors and the use of incorrect words. It made my brain hurt after 3 sentences.

Yes, my English sucks, plus I'm on a phone so I can't be arsed proof read either. Still, your loss. I did justnre read and its not that hard. Another problem with society, not giving people with a lesser abity in areas a chance and prefer to label/mock them. No love left in western societies, non what so ever! English like all other languages based on Latin are evil by design anyways, based on the Vatican's Latin! If you want know evil all you have to do is look into the Vatican and how its the main head of the Medusa. State of London, state of Washington DC, state of Israel are a few others. Devils language

Anyways, back on topic, who's still got a monarch that asnt blown up, leaked or under performs? Lol

[sidehack]

I'm on a phone so I can't be arsed proof read

No offense, but doesn't that sentence kinda demonstrate both the excess and laziness of Western society that you're so vehemently condemning? I label and mock people (well, Americans at least) with lesser abilities in written communication because the primary excuse is laziness and not caring to take full advantage of the more-than-decade of free education most of us are given. Gotta be careful on public Internet forums though because people come here from all over and don't always get twelve years of "here's how to do English right" handed to them on a silver platter. I have no respect for the lazy - more specifically, for the deliberately stupid. And there are a lot of them in America.

Also, no respect for greedy scamming bastards. Like, it seems, the guys at BFL. I don't own a Monarch. Should get one for the museum one of these days though.

[noddy2000]

I'm on a phone so I can't be arsed proof read

No offense, but doesn't that sentence kinda demonstrate both the excess and laziness of Western society that you're so vehemently condemning? I label and mock people (well, Americans at least) with lesser abilities in written communication because the primary excuse is laziness and not caring to take full advantage of the more-than-decade of free education most of us are given. Gotta be careful on public Internet forums though because people come here from all over and don't always get twelve years of "here's how to do English right" handed to them on a silver platter. I have no respect for the lazy - more specifically, for the deliberately stupid. And there are a lot of them in America.

Also, no respect for greedy scamming bastards. Like, it seems, the guys at BFL. I don't own a Monarch. Should get one for the museum one of these days though.

I'd agree with everything you said there. I am lazy yes. Never said I wasn't at any point. I know my flaws and that's for me to deal with, as yours and others are. But if you can't separate thought from your body you are not understanding the purpose of it. Its easy to accuse some one of being x y and z, or point the blame at someone but to truely understand your surrounding and others you have to 'think out the box' per say. I'm the biggest hippocrit going in some ways but realising that leads to better understanding of many aspects of life and others. Critism isn't a bad thing, it should be welcomed but people today are weak and can't handle it. Water off a ducks back to me and I take all comments on board. I'm an hard worker when needed but I'm lazy for sure. Again, its the environment that's been created that I've spent most of my life in that as allowed me to get away with it. I don't play the blame game though as that just leads to hatred for others. Not a good thing at all. What's done is done and I look at the cause and not the cure. You don't need a a cure if you know the cause ;-)

Least the monarchs arnt setting on fire like the black arrows I suppose lol. They are truely dangerous for peoples health! Surenthey arnt FCC approved either haha

[zorba.karlos]

For BFL Monarch, I added experimental underclocking support to cgminer.

Example Usage: the following sets the clock frequency to max (1x), voltage at 580mV.

# cgminer --bflsc-volt=4 --bflsc-clock=16

Refer to BFL documentation for voltage levels, but please note I shifted the index by one; I needed '0' to mean 'do-nothing'. IE: the '16' above = 'F" in BFL docs.

As a safety precaution, cgminer will not initialize / use a Monarch unless the voltage and clock are set successfully. IE: a hotplug or power interruption will restore the voltage/clock settings to a Monarch before mining commences.

The patch below is against cgminer commit 8b425ed545d64f3007c6a7b2b70910efec65a7ea.
htt p s://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/commit/8b425ed545d64f3007c6a7b2b70910efec65a7ea

----------------

diff --git a/cgminer.c b/cgminer.c
index 94e847e..48db62d 100644
--- a/cgminer.c
+++ b/cgminer.c
@@ -796,6 +796,16 @@ static char *set_int_1_to_10(const char *arg, int *i)
    return set_int_range(arg, i, 1, 10);
 }
 
+static char *set_int_0_to_32(const char *arg, int *i)
+{
+   return set_int_range(arg, i, 0, 32);
+}
+
+static char *set_int_0_to_16(const char *arg, int *i)
+{
+   return set_int_range(arg, i, 0, 16);
+}
+
 static char __maybe_unused *set_int_0_to_4(const char *arg, int *i)
 {
    return set_int_range(arg, i, 0, 4);
@@ -1265,6 +1275,12 @@ static struct opt_table opt_config_table[] = {
    OPT_WITH_ARG("--bflsc-overheat",
            set_int_0_to_200, opt_show_intval, &opt_bflsc_overheat,
            "Set overheat temperature where BFLSC devices throttle, 0 to disable"),
+   OPT_WITH_ARG("--bflsc-volt",
+           set_int_0_to_16, opt_show_intval, &opt_bflsc_volt,
+           "Set monarch voltage level (1-16), 0 to disable. BFL claims values above 7 are disabled."),
+   OPT_WITH_ARG("--bflsc-clock",
+           set_int_0_to_32, opt_show_intval, &opt_bflsc_clock,
+           "Set monarch clock speed (1-32), 0 to disable, 17-32 enable clock doubler"),
 #endif
 #ifdef USE_AVALON
    OPT_WITH_ARG("--bitburner-voltage",
diff --git a/driver-bflsc.c b/driver-bflsc.c
index ac77d48..7dfd10c 100644
--- a/driver-bflsc.c
+++ b/driver-bflsc.c
@@ -31,6 +31,15 @@
 #include "driver-bflsc.h"
 
 int opt_bflsc_overheat = BFLSC_TEMP_OVERHEAT;
+int opt_bflsc_clock = 0;
+int opt_bflsc_volt = 0;
+
+float bflsc_voltage_map[] = {
+  0.540, 0.550, 0.560, 0.580,
+  0.600, 0.620, 0.630, 0.643,
+  0.650, 0.662, 0.670, 0.680,
+  0.700, 0.720, 0.730, 0.750
+};
 
 static const char *blank = "";
 
@@ -453,6 +462,7 @@ static bool bflsc_qres(struct cgpu_info *bflsc, char *buf, size_t bufsiz, int de
 static void __bflsc_initialise(struct cgpu_info *bflsc)
 {
    int err, interface;
+   struct bflsc_info *sc_info = (struct bflsc_info *)(bflsc->device_data);
 
 // TODO: does x-link bypass the other device FTDI? (I think it does)
 //   So no initialisation required except for the master device?
@@ -536,6 +546,7 @@ static void __bflsc_initialise(struct cgpu_info *bflsc)
 
    if (!bflsc->cutofftemp)
       bflsc->cutofftemp = opt_bflsc_overheat;
+
 }
 
 static void bflsc_initialise(struct cgpu_info *bflsc)
@@ -555,6 +566,82 @@ static void bflsc_initialise(struct cgpu_info *bflsc)
    }
 }
 
+static bool __bflsc_set_volt(struct cgpu_info *bflsc) {
+   char msg[16];
+   char recv[100];
+   int err,amount;
+   bool sent;
+   int effective_volt;
+
+   if (!opt_bflsc_volt)
+      return true;
+
+   effective_volt=opt_bflsc_volt-1;
+
+   applogsiz(LOG_WARNING, BFLSC_APPLOGSIZ,
+      "%s (%s) set volt to %0.3fV (V%XX) ",
+      bflsc->drv->dname, bflsc->device_path,
+      bflsc_voltage_map[effective_volt], effective_volt);
+
+   snprintf(msg, sizeof(msg), "V%XX\n", effective_volt);
+   err = usb_write(bflsc, msg, strlen(msg), &amount, C_SETVOLT);
+   if (err < 0 || amount < 4) {
+      bflsc_applog(bflsc, 0, C_SETVOLT, amount, err);
+      return false;
+   }
+   err = usb_read_ok_timeout(bflsc, recv, sizeof(recv)-1, &amount, SET_VOLT_TIME_MAX_MS, C_REPLYSETVOLT);
+   if (err < 0 ) {
+      bflsc_applog(bflsc, 0, C_REPLYSETVOLT, amount, err);
+      return false;
+   }
+   return true;
+}
+
+static bool __bflsc_set_clock(struct cgpu_info *bflsc) {
+   char msg[16];
+   char recv[100];
+   int err,amount;
+   bool sent;
+   char double_clock_flag;
+   int effective_clock;
+
+   if (!opt_bflsc_clock)
+      return true;
+
+        effective_clock=opt_bflsc_clock-1;
+   double_clock_flag='X';
+
+   if (effective_clock > 15) {
+      double_clock_flag='D';
+      effective_clock &= 0x0F;
+      if (effective_clock > 2) {
+         applogsiz(LOG_WARNING, BFLSC_APPLOGSIZ,
+            "Frequency too high with clock doubling enabled; reducing frequency.");
+         effective_clock=2;
+         opt_bflsc_clock=19;
+      }
+   }
+
+   applogsiz(LOG_WARNING, BFLSC_APPLOGSIZ,
+      "%s (%s) set clock to %i (F%X%c)",
+      bflsc->drv->dname, bflsc->device_path,
+      opt_bflsc_clock, effective_clock, double_clock_flag);
+
+   snprintf(msg, sizeof(msg), "F%X%c\n", effective_clock, double_clock_flag);
+   err = usb_write(bflsc, msg, strlen(msg), &amount, C_SETCLOCK);
+   if (err < 0 || amount < 4) {
+      bflsc_applog(bflsc, 0, C_SETCLOCK, amount, err);
+      return false;
+   }
+   err = usb_read_ok_timeout(bflsc, recv, sizeof(recv)-1, &amount, SET_CLOCK_TIME_MAX_MS, C_REPLYSETCLOCK);
+   if (err < 0 ) {
+      bflsc_applog(bflsc, 0, C_REPLYSETCLOCK, amount, err);
+      return false;
+   }
+   return true;
+}
+
+
 static bool getinfo(struct cgpu_info *bflsc, int dev)
 {
    struct bflsc_info *sc_info = (struct bflsc_info *)(bflsc->device_data);
@@ -894,6 +981,15 @@ reinit:
    applog(LOG_DEBUG, "%s (%s) identified as: '%s'",
       bflsc->drv->dname, bflsc->device_path, bflsc->drv->name);
 
+   if (sc_info->ident == IDENT_BMA) {
+      if (!__bflsc_set_volt(bflsc))
+         goto unshin;
+      cgsleep_ms(100); // let voltage stabilize
+      if (!__bflsc_set_clock(bflsc))
+         goto unshin;
+      cgsleep_ms(100); // let clock stabilize
+   }
+
    if (!add_cgpu(bflsc))
       goto unshin;
 
diff --git a/driver-bflsc.h b/driver-bflsc.h
index 4778993..50789b0 100644
--- a/driver-bflsc.h
+++ b/driver-bflsc.h
@@ -386,7 +386,13 @@ struct SaveString {
 #define REINIT_TIME_MAX_MS 800
 // Keep trying up to this many us
 #define REINIT_TIME_MAX 3000000
+// How long do we wait for the voltage-set operation? (ms)
+#define SET_VOLT_TIME_MAX_MS 10000
+// How long do we wait for the clock-set operation? (ms)
+#define SET_CLOCK_TIME_MAX_MS 15000
 
 int opt_bflsc_overheat;
+int opt_bflsc_clock;
+int opt_bflsc_volt;
 
 #endif /* BFLSC_H */

[carlosmnk]

Hello, how can i install this feature? Now, with cgminer, i cannot regule voltage or frequency and i would like to change them. Thanks!!

[epichaberdasher]

Hi guys

can somebody help me get my Monarch running, ive been trying all day and i cant get it to work.

When i run BFG miner i get the following error:

"lowl_pci_open_vfio: Failed to open /dev/vfio/vfio" continuously

Im running the Monarch in my Ubuntu 15.10 PC using PCI Express, with BFG Miner 5.10

The BFL setup document says that i dont need PCIE drivers under Linux.

Can anybody point me what to do ?

*Edit, i think i got it working, i reseated the card then ran the UIO setup command in BFGminers Readme.ASIC
just need to see after a few hours if it works right.

[epichaberdasher]

Getting 87% invalid shares @ 676 difficulty. Using BFGMiner 5.2.0

Does anybody know why ?

BFGminer says the shares are accepted, and the error rate is low (1%) but when i check the pool stats my invalid share % is over 85%. It does seem to be dropping very slowly, but not sure.

[Unacceptable]

Check with this guy:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=148567

His thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=759398.0

[epichaberdasher]

Thanks man, ive sent him a message.

Ive had some progress thanks to help from people here. The card is working, its got some issues with I think are related to the version of BFGMiner im using.

The card i have is the 725GH version, it mines at around 740GH but it needs a lot of airflow it seems.

I tried underclocking it using the settings from butterfly labs PDF, adding the settings "--set bfl:_cmd1=F0D --set bfl:_cmd1=V5X" gives a "Failed to open /dev/vfio/vfio" , but if i then try and run bfgminer again afterwards without the extra commands it seems to work with the previous settings. Hashes around 660GH with a massive temperature drop from 70C to 51C.

Im guessing if i had to power cycle the card it would revert back to stock settings.

[dextronomous]

Guys anyone got a driver for windows 7 pci for the bfl monarch family.

cannot find them online nowhere,

thanks

[Unacceptable]

Check with the guy in my previous post 

BFL website looks to be gone now.....error 404 LMAO!!!!!!!!!! 

[Searing]

Check with the guy in my previous post  

BFL website looks to be gone now.....error 404 LMAO!!!!!!!!!!  

I swear if I am ever in the area of the BFL former corp I'm gonna piss in their parking lot and post a pic here

I'm still pissed and I got a refund. (Then again had victim guilt and felt like an idiot for 1 year and 20 days and got lucky and was refunded because FTC was a coming)

Perhaps it is Surviver's Guilt because I got DAMN LUCKY

More likely (if anyone wants to look) it was Josh Z. in BFL chat FLAT OUT lying when the court documents showed at the same time he knew they would be months late

after August of 2013.

Where is the guy on here that kept saying if he ever saw him, he'd punch him in the dick and post a picture (man I miss you or I should say I want such a pic yet)

anyway just got to let this go I guess, but man what a bunch of pricks

[sidehack]

Yeah, when I think about how BFL, MinerSource and VMC all started in Missouri I get kinda embarassed.