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[oblox]

why did no one just block any multi and farms and chinnese ips ion the source ?

even if they remove , they will just get rejected blocks...

china is the evil of the 21'st century, the world gave them too much power manufacturing 99.99999999% of the planets hardware....

this crypto thing is hardware based... now does it surprise anyone that china will be the one controlling all currencies ?

Because it's not fair for starters to ban miners that have the resources to build large farms. Those with capital will always continue to get ahead, but there is huge potential for usage in China with how locked down their investment options are.

[stonehedge]

And power is pretty cheap in lots of parts of China which obviously helps with the mining.

[patrolman]

why did no one just block any multi and farms and chinnese ips ion the source ?

even if they remove , they will just get rejected blocks...

china is the evil of the 21'st century, the world gave them too much power manufacturing 99.99999999% of the planets hardware....

this crypto thing is hardware based... now does it surprise anyone that china will be the one controlling all currencies ?

What? China is the evil of the 21st century because corporations look to maximise profits by outsourcing all of their labour costs? That doesn't sound right. If you want to pay for miners to be built anywhere on earth you are free to do so. Banning Chinese IPs from mining would be a good route directly to failure for any "free" monetary system

[micky123]

Eagerly waiting for the release of RC4! Have 3 miners running and mining DRK day in and day out and hoping that i can build enough for a MN soon. The day it releases, will be a day to party!

[patrolman]

I actually disagree with his dislike of alts. They don't detract from Bitcoins "rarity" as they are traded primarily for - Bitcoin.

While clearly a genius, to me he isn't seeing the forest for the trees.

Thats a refreshing comment.

You might be right - the world currently supports multiple fiat currencies without one undermining the other. I think that what he´s maybe missing is the extent to which one currency can be considered a "reserve" over all the others while still not necessarily being the most highly valued.

In other words, all the alts are currently priced in BTC which means that by growing our holdings in ALT we are basically just growing our BTC implicitly.

I don´t think you can necessarily predict these things - just have to let it all play out.

Agreed. There will be a reckoning past the demented pump every coin stage where I believe btc will be invested more wisely (I may be being hopeful.)

The alt market is a testing ground of new ideas (what do people actually want to use BTC technology for?) as well as providing a volatile playground for traders.
In effect it provides a market to establish worth of a set of characteristics (technical, social, transactional, etc.) priced in BTC.
It also gives people who believe in BTC something to do with them while BTC finds its stable price point/growth rate.

Those with good fundamentals and actual utility will survive and thrive (I believe DRK to be one of these.)

RC4 means utility is realised. I believe we'll see a bump in price and beyond that adoption will be the catalyst for further growth. And anonymity without limits is a huge advantage in our favour.

Bitcoin faces an uphill battle as more and more merchants accept Bitcoin but convert directly into fiat. Altcoins (and Darkcoin too) will face the same battle - once they have a wider adoption - if payment processors work in a similar way to BitPay. The bigger the purchase, the more downward pressure on the price.

Perhaps there will be a day when most merchants will happily hang on to cryptocurrencies but for taxation purposes it's quite complicated at the moment, as is often the case with taxation. Governments don't mind, as long as the minions are doing the bookkeeping and of course, at the same time they mantain the plebs' dependence on fiat.

With regards to altcoins reaching parity with Bitcoin or not, of course they are lofty expectations. But even if you voted for something to be implemented into Bitcoin, as Adam Black suggests, there is no possible way that everyone could be pleased with all implementations or suggestions which are overlooked. Different coins offer different utilities. Some of them do anyway.  I believe DRK to be one of these too.

[coinzcoinzcoinz]

Why would anybody be selling with RC4 around the corner?

[Ignition75]

I don't know ladies and gents... On the eve of RC4 being released, one of the most hotly anticipated releases on the alt scene, the market turns to shit?

I'm not buying it...

If anything, it's Chinese whales cracking the sh!ts their precious LTC is dying, causing fear and panic as they know RC4 is going to put the nail in the LTC coffin.

[Minotaur26]

I am very excited for RC4 but I think the price should be a consequence of utility, that is the only way real sustainable growth can be achieved. We should celebrate RC4 because finally we will have an anonymous coin that is practical and usable. More improvements will come but this is a huge milestone and if you care about the project you should be happy.

I dont care what the price will do in the next few days if we continue working hard and promoting adoption eventually the market will catch up.

[dotnetmin]

Why would anybody be selling with RC4 around the corner?

I am saying again and again. The whole bad behaviour (P&P, Scam and FUD) of crypto cummunities hurts
this markets a lot. There is no fresh money comming into these markets.
At least only money is shifting around into the declining market day by day and everybody that was been scammed
by pump and dups will not give any new Dollar to these markets.

Crypto destroys itself. My investment of around 5000€ i made 10 months ago would be completly lost
if i wouldn´t be very early in DRK. I hold my single masternode, more i do´t have over.
I know some people that lost around 5K € completly over the last months.
They will never come back to crypto markets.

Cloak is the best example of bad behaviour of crypto markets ( assholes like bobsurplus destroy all crypto markets )

I am pretty sure DRK is the last coin that has serious buyers, otherwise also DRK would have been done now.
Even if it has great things to offer, it doesn´t matter.
I expect hashrate will get higher and higher because there are a lot of very cheap powercost miners ( or power thieves )
that dump any coin they mine if there is a buyer.
Show me one coin that is still worth to mine than DRK - no one is over !!!


just my 2 duff
 

[camosoul]

I think there is much to be said about yhe fact that "only my DRK didn't burn me." If people fold on it only to see later it was the only bad fold...

Fucktards who sodl when should hodl have only themselves to blame. Regulated investments are no place for the stupid and undisciplined. Unregulated investments, even moreso...

[EfterlysT]

Low volume.. 87K or 97K not much difference. I see no reason for panic at all.. Only bots trying to start a panic dump for some whales. They only want your coins cheaper, like always..

[piyany]

Why would anybody be selling with RC4 around the corner?

I am saying again and again. The whole bad behaviour (P&P, Scam and FUD) of crypto cummunities hurts
this markets a lot. There is no fresh money comming into these markets.
At least only money is shifting around into the declining market day by day and everybody that was been scammed
by pump and dups will not give any new Dollar to these markets.

Crypto destroys itself. My investment of around 5000€ i made 10 months ago would be completly lost
if i wouldn´t be very early in DRK. I hold my single masternode, more i do´t have over.
I know some people that lost around 5K € completly over the last months.
They will never come back to crypto markets.

Cloak is the best example of bad behaviour of crypto markets ( assholes like bobsurplus destroy all crypto markets )

I am pretty sure DRK is the last coin that has serious buyers, otherwise also DRK would have been done now.
Even if it has great things to offer, it doesn´t matter.
I expect hashrate will get higher and higher because there are a lot of very cheap powercost miners ( or power thieves )
that dump any coin they mine if there is a buyer.
Show me one coin that is still worth to mine than DRK - no one is over !!!


just my 2 duff
 

Drk has no more serious investors buying, only traders like me and that dude that dumped 3k with no regret. And someone has to pay the bills for miners, give profits to the whales that pumped the price above any moon that was expected. Shit, this coin was expensive even before the pump!!

And yes, you are right about the altcoin scene. But drk is no different, the whales that own this coin and get profits from market are not different that all the other. It's all about profits and profits come from dumping.

Some people will always cheer for drk becuase they got in before the big pump and they don't care- they hodl. But all new investors and traders should take into account that buying in a long downtrend to go is stupid and deserves to lose money.

[toknormal]

Ouch.

My CLOAK hedge has shrivelled up into an amorphous carcas of what it once was.

The term "dumped" doesn´t quite do justice to it. Bitcoin´s current decline is rapidly de-capitalising the entire alts market. DRK´s doing not bad in the face of this firestorm I´d say.

Look at NXT. It´s at 30% of it´s last all time high.

The only thing thats going to really light a fire under cryptocurrencies is if Fiat is actually CHASED into this sector. That will be if the long touted dollar collapse occurs. (On the other hand, the money may just run into the new BRICS gold backed currencies in stead).

[dotnetmin]

Why would anybody be selling with RC4 around the corner?

I am saying again and again. The whole bad behaviour (P&P, Scam and FUD) of crypto cummunities hurts
this markets a lot. There is no fresh money comming into these markets.
At least only money is shifting around into the declining market day by day and everybody that was been scammed
by pump and dups will not give any new Dollar to these markets.

Crypto destroys itself. My investment of around 5000€ i made 10 months ago would be completly lost
if i wouldn´t be very early in DRK. I hold my single masternode, more i do´t have over.
I know some people that lost around 5K € completly over the last months.
They will never come back to crypto markets.

Cloak is the best example of bad behaviour of crypto markets ( assholes like bobsurplus destroy all crypto markets )

I am pretty sure DRK is the last coin that has serious buyers, otherwise also DRK would have been done now.
Even if it has great things to offer, it doesn´t matter.
I expect hashrate will get higher and higher because there are a lot of very cheap powercost miners ( or power thieves )
that dump any coin they mine if there is a buyer.
Show me one coin that is still worth to mine than DRK - no one is over !!!


just my 2 duff
 

Drk has no more serious investors buying, only traders like me and that dude that dumped 3k with no regret. And someone has to pay the bills for miners, give profits to the whales that pumped the price above any moon that was expected. Shit, this coin was expensive even before the pump!!

And yes, you are right about the altcoin scene. But drk is no different, the whales that own this coin and get profits from market are not different that all the other. It's all about profits and profits come from dumping.

Some people will always cheer for drk becuase they got in before the big pump and they don't care- they hodl. But all new investors and traders should take into account that buying in a long downtrend to go is stupid and deserves to lose money.

So what your suggestion into crypto market. Wait until the next coin pump and jump it instead of hold coins of good projects.
If your answer is yes, then you will also end up with nothing because at one point of time also P&D game is over because money has all gone !!!

[luigi1111]

Ouch.

My CLOAK hedge has shrivelled up into an amorphous carcas of what it once was.

The term "dumped" doesn´t quite do justice to it. Bitcoin´s current decline is rapidly de-capitalising the entire alts market. DRK´s doing not bad in the face of this firestorm I´d say.

Look at NXT. It´s at 30% of it´s last all time high.

The only thing thats going to really light a fire under cryptocurrencies is if Fiat is actually CHASED into this sector. That will be if the long touted dollar collapse occurs. (On the other hand, the money may just run into the new BRICS gold backed currencies in stead).

Yeah, I'd estimate there is at least some blood running in their streets. Buying opportunity? 

[oblox]

The only thing thats going to really light a fire under cryptocurrencies is if Fiat is actually CHASED into this sector. That will be if the long touted dollar collapse occurs. (On the other hand, the money may just run into the new BRICS gold backed currencies in stead).

I think you'll see new money this Q3/Q4 when the BTC ETF is released. As long as it is structured where the ETF has to hold the coins, I think you'll see a bunch of new money flowing in after hearing nonstop all of 2013 about how fast and how high BTC has run up but lacked the knowledge or ease to purchase the coins during that time frame. There's very little "float" of BTC supply out there if you start seeing days of $100+ million of fund flows.

[piyany]

I am saying again and again. The whole bad behaviour (P&P, Scam and FUD) of crypto cummunities hurts
this markets a lot. There is no fresh money comming into these markets.
At least only money is shifting around into the declining market day by day and everybody that was been scammed
by pump and dups will not give any new Dollar to these markets.

Crypto destroys itself. My investment of around 5000€ i made 10 months ago would be completly lost
if i wouldn´t be very early in DRK. I hold my single masternode, more i do´t have over.
I know some people that lost around 5K € completly over the last months.
They will never come back to crypto markets.

Cloak is the best example of bad behaviour of crypto markets ( assholes like bobsurplus destroy all crypto markets )

I am pretty sure DRK is the last coin that has serious buyers, otherwise also DRK would have been done now.
Even if it has great things to offer, it doesn´t matter.
I expect hashrate will get higher and higher because there are a lot of very cheap powercost miners ( or power thieves )
that dump any coin they mine if there is a buyer.
Show me one coin that is still worth to mine than DRK - no one is over !!!


just my 2 duff
 

Drk has no more serious investors buying, only traders like me and that dude that dumped 3k with no regret. And someone has to pay the bills for miners, give profits to the whales that pumped the price above any moon that was expected. Shit, this coin was expensive even before the pump!!

And yes, you are right about the altcoin scene. But drk is no different, the whales that own this coin and get profits from market are not different that all the other. It's all about profits and profits come from dumping.

Some people will always cheer for drk becuase they got in before the big pump and they don't care- they hodl. But all new investors and traders should take into account that buying in a long downtrend to go is stupid and deserves to lose money.

So what your suggestion into crypto market. Wait until the next coin pump and jump it instead of hold coins of good projects.
If your answer is yes, then you will also end up with nothing because at one point of time also P&D game is over because money has all gone !!!

You can trade coins, a downtrend does not mean you cannot make profits. Holding lots of coin because they are 'good projects' is sentimental. You invest to make money or you invest to make you feel good that you support something worthy? Anyway bagholding thousands from the big pump until now must have felt like shit, it was a bad investment and turns out this charity towards good projects let you down.

You can try to find 'the next big thing and invest carefully making you an early adopter. If you are lucky you got in before they pump on bittrex. Shitcoins like BitcoinDark pumped so high... but I hate to baghold too much so this is not my thing. And it's never easy to get in early, the whales make sure to control most supply.  

I hold to bitcoin, it's still a risky investment

[dotnetmin]

I am saying again and again. The whole bad behaviour (P&P, Scam and FUD) of crypto cummunities hurts
this markets a lot. There is no fresh money comming into these markets.
At least only money is shifting around into the declining market day by day and everybody that was been scammed
by pump and dups will not give any new Dollar to these markets.

Crypto destroys itself. My investment of around 5000€ i made 10 months ago would be completly lost
if i wouldn´t be very early in DRK. I hold my single masternode, more i do´t have over.
I know some people that lost around 5K € completly over the last months.
They will never come back to crypto markets.

Cloak is the best example of bad behaviour of crypto markets ( assholes like bobsurplus destroy all crypto markets )

I am pretty sure DRK is the last coin that has serious buyers, otherwise also DRK would have been done now.
Even if it has great things to offer, it doesn´t matter.
I expect hashrate will get higher and higher because there are a lot of very cheap powercost miners ( or power thieves )
that dump any coin they mine if there is a buyer.
Show me one coin that is still worth to mine than DRK - no one is over !!!


just my 2 duff
 

Drk has no more serious investors buying, only traders like me and that dude that dumped 3k with no regret. And someone has to pay the bills for miners, give profits to the whales that pumped the price above any moon that was expected. Shit, this coin was expensive even before the pump!!

And yes, you are right about the altcoin scene. But drk is no different, the whales that own this coin and get profits from market are not different that all the other. It's all about profits and profits come from dumping.

Some people will always cheer for drk becuase they got in before the big pump and they don't care- they hodl. But all new investors and traders should take into account that buying in a long downtrend to go is stupid and deserves to lose money.

So what your suggestion into crypto market. Wait until the next coin pump and jump it instead of hold coins of good projects.
If your answer is yes, then you will also end up with nothing because at one point of time also P&D game is over because money has all gone !!!

You can trade coins, a downtrend does not mean you cannot make profits. Holding lots of coin because they are 'good projects' is sentimental. You invest to make money or you invest to make you feel good that you support something worthy? Anyway bagholding thousands from the big pump until now must have felt like shit, it was a bad investment and turns out this charity towards good projects let you down.

You can try to find 'the next big thing and invest carefully making you an early adopter. If you are lucky you got in before they pump on bittrex. Shitcoins like BitcoinDark pumped so high... but I hate to baghold too much so this is not my thing. And it's never easy to get in early, the whales make sure to control most supply.  

I hold to bitcoin, it's still a risky investment

All you word you made here show all and everything. With that behaviour there won´t be any successful coin and no fresh money, and in near future all done in crypto market expect BTC.
It´s time to go back "all in" to PM markets. They are higly manipulated from US government and their friends in centralbanks, but especially as an US citizien i would highly suggest to
be investeted in PM. There are dark times in future to come over there. Asian takes any PM the can get out of western vaults because they have to unload masses of US$.
Once they have done ... be sure you have some ounces left over in your pocket, whatever coulor they have ! 

[fernando]

I am very excited for RC4 but I think the price should be a consequence of utility, that is the only way real sustainable growth can be achieved. We should celebrate RC4 because finally we will have an anonymous coin that is practical and usable. More improvements will come but this is a huge milestone and if you care about the project you should be happy.

I dont care what the price will do in the next few days if we continue working hard and promoting adoption eventually the market will catch up.

+26

It is time for us to focus on developing Darkcoin into something usable. Price and market are important, but they are ephemeral if Darkcoin doesn't have usage. The product is still in development, so it will take time, but it is the necessary next step. We can criticize Litecoin as much as we want, but they were able to get some adoption. It is not much compared to Bitcoin, but it is something. I think that's the reason behind their resilience in the second spot by market cap (at the moment Litecoin is 8 times bigger than Darkcoin).

[Minotaur26]

I am saying again and again. The whole bad behaviour (P&P, Scam and FUD) of crypto cummunities hurts
this markets a lot. There is no fresh money comming into these markets.
At least only money is shifting around into the declining market day by day and everybody that was been scammed
by pump and dups will not give any new Dollar to these markets.

Crypto destroys itself. My investment of around 5000€ i made 10 months ago would be completly lost
if i wouldn´t be very early in DRK. I hold my single masternode, more i do´t have over.
I know some people that lost around 5K € completly over the last months.
They will never come back to crypto markets.

Cloak is the best example of bad behaviour of crypto markets ( assholes like bobsurplus destroy all crypto markets )

I am pretty sure DRK is the last coin that has serious buyers, otherwise also DRK would have been done now.
Even if it has great things to offer, it doesn´t matter.
I expect hashrate will get higher and higher because there are a lot of very cheap powercost miners ( or power thieves )
that dump any coin they mine if there is a buyer.
Show me one coin that is still worth to mine than DRK - no one is over !!!


just my 2 duff
 

Drk has no more serious investors buying, only traders like me and that dude that dumped 3k with no regret. And someone has to pay the bills for miners, give profits to the whales that pumped the price above any moon that was expected. Shit, this coin was expensive even before the pump!!

And yes, you are right about the altcoin scene. But drk is no different, the whales that own this coin and get profits from market are not different that all the other. It's all about profits and profits come from dumping.

Some people will always cheer for drk becuase they got in before the big pump and they don't care- they hodl. But all new investors and traders should take into account that buying in a long downtrend to go is stupid and deserves to lose money.t

So what your suggestion into crypto market. Wait until the next coin pump and jump it instead of hold coins of good projects.
If your answer is yes, then you will also end up with nothing because at one point of time also P&D game is over because money has all gone !!!

You can trade coins, a downtrend does not mean you cannot make profits. Holding lots of coin because they are 'good projects' is sentimental. You invest to make money or you invest to make you feel good that you support something worthy? Anyway bagholding thousands from the big pump until now must have felt like shit, it was a bad investment and turns out this charity towards good projects let you down.

You can try to find 'the next big thing and invest carefully making you an early adopter. If you are lucky you got in before they pump on bittrex. Shitcoins like BitcoinDark pumped so high... but I hate to baghold too much so this is not my thing. And it's never easy to get in early, the whales make sure to control most supply.  

I hold to bitcoin, it's still a risky investment

@piyany I am honestly tired of your condescending bullshit, stop trying to act like you know better than everybody else "there are no more serious investors only traders like me" , etc.  Darkcoin is doing well compared to the rest of the market, the way I see it there are two possibilities either all cryptos dissapear in which case  we are all fucked anyway or the market purges the weak projects and some coins survived. I dont think the whole crypto scene will disappear and I truly believe Darkcoin has the greatest chance of survival of all alts. So please stop giving advice you made your point clear and stop trying to create a negative vibe for everybody else.