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[Toninho]

okays guys.. this is as good a time as any ...

[coins101]

[Minotaur26]

Rant: I gotta say, I'm pretty disappointed in the crypto-community today....
How do they think the inputs and outputs on this page https://chainz.cryptoid.info/drk/tx.dws?502095.htm are not worth a market cap equal to LTC?...or at least an increase in the DRK/BTC price for the day.
Utter BS.
They're either going from one pump and dump to the other or they're sticking their heads in the sand and declaring all alt coins shit and praying at the alter of their gold calf-BTC.

It just ain't right.
JL

Rant over.

Day-traders are NOT crypto community, sorry. They don't care about innovation, etc.

Day-traders make up the majority of volume on all exchanges.  Saying that they are not part of the crypto community is ignorant.

Take the day traders away and most altcoins will fade away.  DRK included.  

If it wasn't for day traders there wouldn't be a market.

If you say so, i know i'm right.

Long day holders and serious investors keeps the coins alive, day traders are the trolls of the markets, they don't care more that a penny of benefit. They are useless.


They are just like you:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=688510.msg7809053#msg7809053

Sure you do.  Day traders don't contribute anything to crypto other than the majority of money.  The money that is needed for DRK to rise in value.  But hey you're right.  

I like your attempt to discredit me by posting a link to a previous post I made.  The fact is that I didn't come here to say anything bad about DRK and I haven't.  I'll wait and see how RC4 does before I'll make any comment regarding DRK.  I only posted because of your ignorance regarding day traders.  Now I see you're doubling down and saying they are useless.  How can you dismiss the people that are throwing the majority of money into cryptocurrency?  Tell me this, what do you think would happen if all those useless day traders pulled out all of their money from cryptocurrencies and left?

The answer is simple but apparently you can't comprehend it.

Hey Shojayxt, I do appreciate your sober tone today, if darkcoin can earn the respect of the more sceptic I think more people will join. Thank you for your interest.

[qwizzie]

Basic question from the less technical.  In new wallet, how do I convert my dark into darksend denominated or anonymized funds?

The client by default will prompt you to unlock your wallet so it can denominate and mix, the default is 2 rounds of mixing. There will be a small fee of 0.01DRK per round of mixing. In the settings you can select more rounds of mixing and you can also indicate the soft limit of how many anonymous coins you want, the client will then denominate and mix a quantity that is relatively close to your setting ( again it wont be exact.), if you select additional rounds of mixing it will take more time to denominate, make sure your wallet is open, and your internet connection active while you go through the process. If you dont do anything and stay with the default settings all you have to do is wait.

isnt it 0.001 DRK per round for mixing ?

[oblox]

Rant: I gotta say, I'm pretty disappointed in the crypto-community today....
How do they think the inputs and outputs on this page https://chainz.cryptoid.info/drk/tx.dws?502095.htm are not worth a market cap equal to LTC?...or at least an increase in the DRK/BTC price for the day.
Utter BS.
They're either going from one pump and dump to the other or they're sticking their heads in the sand and declaring all alt coins shit and praying at the alter of their gold calf-BTC.

It just ain't right.
JL

Rant over.

Day-traders are NOT crypto community, sorry. They don't care about innovation, etc.

Day-traders make up the majority of volume on all exchanges.  Saying that they are not part of the crypto community is ignorant.

Take the day traders away and most altcoins will fade away.  DRK included.  

If it wasn't for day traders there wouldn't be a market.

If you say so, i know i'm right.

Long day holders and serious investors keeps the coins alive, day traders are the trolls of the markets, they don't care more that a penny of benefit. They are useless.


They are just like you:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=688510.msg7809053#msg7809053

Sure you do.  Day traders don't contribute anything to crypto other than the majority of money.  The money that is needed for DRK to rise in value.  But hey you're right.  

I like your attempt to discredit me by posting a link to a previous post I made.  The fact is that I didn't come here to say anything bad about DRK and I haven't.  I'll wait and see how RC4 does before I'll make any comment regarding DRK.  I only posted because of your ignorance regarding day traders.  Now I see you're doubling down and saying they are useless.  How can you dismiss the people that are throwing the majority of money into cryptocurrency?  Tell me this, what do you think would happen if all those useless day traders pulled out all of their money from cryptocurrencies and left?

The answer is simple but apparently you can't comprehend it.

Maybe for most altcoins, daytraders contribute the majority of money, but true investment comes from long-term investors--the very stuff that will cause a rise in value. Period. In a typical market, daytraders would just provide liquidity whereas capital investment by investors would play a far larger role in determining long-term valuations.

[Toninho]

[Minotaur26]

Basic question from the less technical.  In new wallet, how do I convert my dark into darksend denominated or anonymized funds?

The client by default will prompt you to unlock your wallet so it can denominate and mix, the default is 2 rounds of mixing. There will be a small fee of 0.01DRK per round of mixing. In the settings you can select more rounds of mixing and you can also indicate the soft limit of how many anonymous coins you want, the client will then denominate and mix a quantity that is relatively close to your setting ( again it wont be exact.), if you select additional rounds of mixing it will take more time to denominate, make sure your wallet is open, and your internet connection active while you go through the process. If you dont do anything and stay with the default settings all you have to do is wait.

isnt it 0.001 DRK per round for mixing ?

Sorry, horrible typo yes 0.001

[qwizzie]

Basic question from the less technical.  In new wallet, how do I convert my dark into darksend denominated or anonymized funds?

The client by default will prompt you to unlock your wallet so it can denominate and mix, the default is 2 rounds of mixing. There will be a small fee of 0.01DRK per round of mixing. In the settings you can select more rounds of mixing and you can also indicate the soft limit of how many anonymous coins you want, the client will then denominate and mix a quantity that is relatively close to your setting ( again it wont be exact.), if you select additional rounds of mixing it will take more time to denominate, make sure your wallet is open, and your internet connection active while you go through the process. If you dont do anything and stay with the default settings all you have to do is wait.

isnt it 0.001 DRK per round for mixing ?

Sorry, horrible typo yes 0.001

pffff.. got worried there for a second

[splawik21]

08/13 21:35:25   118537 [1][2][3]   coinotroncom   not_detected: XgQScz5iU4o4N1GMTyWurQxrvj4YdihR8j   1.000400   XpCTVfMt4Bf3NUZUVfnuciJ3EtNokfhcrf

what not_detected means?

I got one of those too. My first though is that it's a block mined by a pool still on RC3, so my RC4 MN missed out on the fee as the two are incompatible.

indeed looks like the pools didn`t updated yet...

Correct. Wallet of pool's didn`t updated yet.

Payee is not in MN list(current).

El Presidente, to understand all info it means that:

1 - the MN updated to ver at least  10.12.26 or higher get info not_detected
2 - the pool which found the block can throw the coins away because they will not be exchangable
3 - The new MN which will be paid (old version) can throw away the coins because look point 2.

true

[thelonecrouton]

08/13 21:35:25   118537 [1][2][3]   coinotroncom   not_detected: XgQScz5iU4o4N1GMTyWurQxrvj4YdihR8j   1.000400   XpCTVfMt4Bf3NUZUVfnuciJ3EtNokfhcrf

what not_detected means?

I got one of those too. My first though is that it's a block mined by a pool still on RC3, so my RC4 MN missed out on the fee as the two are incompatible.

indeed looks like the pools didn`t updated yet...

Correct. Wallet of pool's didn`t updated yet.

Payee is not in MN list(current).

El Presidente, to understand all info it means that:

1 - the MN updated to ver at least  10.12.26 or higher get info not_detected
2 - the pool which found the block can throw the coins away because they will not be exchangable
3 - The new MN which will be paid (old version) can throw away the coins because look point 2.

true

No RC3 and RC4 live on the same blockchain, RC3 MNs will go on getting paid valid coins while pools update to RC4.

[coins101]

About to become obsolete:

* Armoured cars and the drivers
* Armed bank robbery
* Print presses that make money
* LTC

[GilAlexander]

MN payments enforced now?

[Toninho]

[Jesse Livermore]

Rant: I gotta say, I'm pretty disappointed in the crypto-community today....
How do they think the inputs and outputs on this page https://chainz.cryptoid.info/drk/tx.dws?502095.htm are not worth a market cap equal to LTC?...or at least an increase in the DRK/BTC price for the day.
Utter BS.
They're either going from one pump and dump to the other or they're sticking their heads in the sand and declaring all alt coins shit and praying at the alter of their gold calf-BTC.

It just ain't right.
JL

Rant over.

Day-traders are NOT crypto community, sorry. They don't care about innovation, etc.

Day-traders make up the majority of volume on all exchanges.  Saying that they are not part of the crypto community is ignorant.

Take the day traders away and most altcoins will fade away.  DRK included.  

If it wasn't for day traders there wouldn't be a market.

If you say so, i know i'm right.

Long day holders and serious investors keeps the coins alive, day traders are the trolls of the markets, they don't care more that a penny of benefit. They are useless.


They are just like you:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=688510.msg7809053#msg7809053

Sure you do.  Day traders don't contribute anything to crypto other than the majority of money.  The money that is needed for DRK to rise in value.  But hey you're right.  

I like your attempt to discredit me by posting a link to a previous post I made.  The fact is that I didn't come here to say anything bad about DRK and I haven't.  I'll wait and see how RC4 does before I'll make any comment regarding DRK.  I only posted because of your ignorance regarding day traders.  Now I see you're doubling down and saying they are useless.  How can you dismiss the people that are throwing the majority of money into cryptocurrency?  Tell me this, what do you think would happen if all those useless day traders pulled out all of their money from cryptocurrencies and left?

The answer is simple but apparently you can't comprehend it.

I'm apt to agree with both of you by saying that daytraders are absolutely missing the innovation that was introduced into the crypto world today by Darkcoin and price should show this innovation but isn't, however I will say that daytraders also are absolutely necessary in providing liquidity however at least today I'm not sure they're really even contributing much in the form of liquidity either.

I've been bogarting my 9-5 work today and have been watching the DRK tape and it appears as though traders provided no liquidity to two large 1000+ Dark sells which brought price down from .9 to .8 twice a couple hours ago and then a large 10+ BTC buy came in an hour ago around .0083 and suddenly all these smaller orders came in trying to take over the bid and front-run it.

So these crypto daytraders have basically screwed over a large seller and just now a large buyer. They might as well be utterly fraudulent and useless HFT's on Wall Street.
JL

[oblox]

MN payments enforced now?

Can't enforce with pools still on RC3

[GhostPlayer]

08/13 21:35:25   118537 [1][2][3]   coinotroncom   not_detected: XgQScz5iU4o4N1GMTyWurQxrvj4YdihR8j   1.000400   XpCTVfMt4Bf3NUZUVfnuciJ3EtNokfhcrf

what not_detected means?

I got one of those too. My first though is that it's a block mined by a pool still on RC3, so my RC4 MN missed out on the fee as the two are incompatible.

indeed looks like the pools didn`t updated yet...

Correct. Wallet of pool's didn`t updated yet.

Payee is not in MN list(current).

Code:

My code search tx[0]vout for payee like this.
1) compare tx[0]vout  with previous recorded getblocktemplate result +3) : hit : got equlto, fail next.
2) compare tx[0]vout  with current Masternode pubkey list +3) : hit : got innmlist, fail next.
3) compare tx[0]vout[value] : >= totalvalue / 10, < totalvalue / 3 : hit got not_detected. next (time outed node can be a payee)
4) tx[0]vout == 1 : got tx_0_vout_1 / not paid

: So innmlist means == diffrent payee with result of getblocktemplate(can be different), but payee is in Masternodelist.

We need Ghostplayer and his pool update squad. 

Trying to figure it out. Ig the pools dont upgrade, they'll only pay the RC3. So since most have not, is it worth updating right now? When is the actaul fork?

As far as I know non-updated pools do not pay the new RC4 MN's. So question, do you want to update now?

[qwizzie]

08/13 21:35:25   118537 [1][2][3]   coinotroncom   not_detected: XgQScz5iU4o4N1GMTyWurQxrvj4YdihR8j   1.000400   XpCTVfMt4Bf3NUZUVfnuciJ3EtNokfhcrf

what not_detected means?

I got one of those too. My first though is that it's a block mined by a pool still on RC3, so my RC4 MN missed out on the fee as the two are incompatible.

indeed looks like the pools didn`t updated yet...

Correct. Wallet of pool's didn`t updated yet.

Payee is not in MN list(current).

El Presidente, to understand all info it means that:

1 - the MN updated to ver at least  10.12.26 or higher get info not_detected
2 - the pool which found the block can throw the coins away because they will not be exchangable
3 - The new MN which will be paid (old version) can throw away the coins because look point 2.

true

No RC3 and RC4 live on the same blockchain, RC3 MNs will go on getting paid valid coins while pools update to RC4.

08/13 21:35:25   118537 [1][2][3]   coinotroncom   not_detected: XgQScz5iU4o4N1GMTyWurQxrvj4YdihR8j   1.000400   XpCTVfMt4Bf3NUZUVfnuciJ3EtNokfhcrf

does this mean coinotroncom has a wallet pre-rc3 ? and everything pre-rc3 will get rejected by now with ''not detected'' ?
 

[oblox]

Jay from Mintpal confirmed they are on the latest wallet and everything is running fine.

[Lauda]

Okay now that this works we need some publicity, please start contacting CoinDesk and similar websites!

[Minotaur26]

08/13 21:35:25   118537 [1][2][3]   coinotroncom   not_detected: XgQScz5iU4o4N1GMTyWurQxrvj4YdihR8j   1.000400   XpCTVfMt4Bf3NUZUVfnuciJ3EtNokfhcrf

what not_detected means?

I got one of those too. My first though is that it's a block mined by a pool still on RC3, so my RC4 MN missed out on the fee as the two are incompatible.

indeed looks like the pools didn`t updated yet...

Correct. Wallet of pool's didn`t updated yet.

Payee is not in MN list(current).

Code:

My code search tx[0]vout for payee like this.
1) compare tx[0]vout  with previous recorded getblocktemplate result +3) : hit : got equlto, fail next.
2) compare tx[0]vout  with current Masternode pubkey list +3) : hit : got innmlist, fail next.
3) compare tx[0]vout[value] : >= totalvalue / 10, < totalvalue / 3 : hit got not_detected. next (time outed node can be a payee)
4) tx[0]vout == 1 : got tx_0_vout_1 / not paid

: So innmlist means == diffrent payee with result of getblocktemplate(can be different), but payee is in Masternodelist.

We need Ghostplayer and his pool update squad. 

Trying to figure it out. Ig the pools dont upgrade, they'll only pay the RC3. So since most have not, is it worth updating right now? When is the actaul fork?

As far as I know non-updated pools do not pay the new RC4 MN's. So question, do you want to update now?

Answer: Yes because we need to support the network and RC4 is when Darkcoin really becomes anonymous and useful, without it there is no value.