[NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread

[Jaguar0625]

what the fuck ! i saw another coin, MEE TOO, they said they will exactly clone NEM.....

That's OK. They will not have the NEM community and network effects are what gives a coin value.

[Jaguar0625]

Wow.... so original.  This doesn't look at all like Nxt's logo.  lol

Seriously, save yourselves some time and just copy everything from Nxt.

Everything? 

I'm a software engineer, what can I do for Nem!

Step 1 - Ctrl+C
Step 2 - Ctrl+V

Hmmm ... that's surprising NXT wants to copy NEM already .

[Jaguar0625]

I'm a software engineer, what can I do for Nem!

If you PM me your email, I can add you to our development trello board.

[Jaguar0625]

1. How to get independency from BTC
2. How to transfer value from the real world to NEM in a direct way (so then merchant can use directly)
3. How to establish an easy fiat-NEM exchange that goes in line with point 2

1. Independency from BTC will be only achieved when you can exchange fiat directly into NEM without BTC in the middle. We should as a community now think about funding a site that offers that possibility. Or maybe contacting Graviton about when is he about to implement fiat in dgex...

2. Most merchants will accept NEM only if we get enough buzz around it. As dogecoin can be used to buy real life stuff, can NEM sure as hell be used to buy stuff! It just depends on how aggressive is our marketing plan. Oh an by the way there should be a marketing plan comprised for NEM, so anyone up for the task go ahead!

3. I don't think there is a easy way. The easiest could be to get NEM into an already existing exchange. Trying to come up with an exchange with ourselves is something that I fear will be a horrible task. But if anyone feels up for the task he should go ahead by all means! Otherwise Graviton, I believe, is trying to get dgex into accepting fiat.. Maybe he could do it or then we should contact some other exchanges. But realistically we wont have a chance into getting into any exchange without donations, because NEM will be a new and volatile coin with no guarantees.

In order to disconnect NEM from BTC, we will need a fiat -> NEM exchange. In the US coinbase is the only way to convert fiat to BTC. They've gotten lots of venture funding (so it's probably legal). If anyone can figure out the legality of it, I will be willing to help build an exchange.

[TauMuon]

@Utopian

Can we expect any updates soon? Not pushing at all, just wondering.

[utopianfuture]

@Utopian

Can we expect any updates soon? Not pushing at all, just wondering.

Bookmark the front page of this thread, I will put links to all important updates in the update section. Read the plan ahead post, there will be an important update after the public auditing is over.

[makoto1337]

I temporarily took 2Kool4Skewl from NEM stakeholder list as I understand that he does not want to be there. In the first 20 pages of the fundraising, many people do not entirely understand about the scope as well as purpose of NEM so it was easy just to post "interested" there by a mistake. Contrary to what used to be in the first page of the fundraising thread , NEM do offer refund after the announcement of detail development plan (probably in 2 weeks or so) so if someone does not feel they fit in with NEM community, they can leave voluntarily.

As written in ournem.com, at this stage NEM is first of all a community of which people share a certain ideas and goals and we going to build NEM/ Nemcoin as our decentralized payment platform together as we go along. I see no reason to keep people that are unhappy with NEM and this approach. There are no coins to share yet so it is not like we are taking anything from anyone. If 2Kool4Skewl wants to join back in, just say so before I make the unified stakeholder list and I will add him in.  

The majority of NEM funding comes from Bitcoin and only about 30% of NEM stakeholders appear in NXT discussion before (see an excellent statistics by newcn) so I see NXT and NEM having quite a different demographics, also different technology and purposes. While I think there is a certain aspect of competition between the two blockchain, we can learn from each others as well. Some are developers of both NXT and NEM and they work across the aisle and I think that is a good thing. It will help advancing experiments and innovations in more directions. Compared to Bitcoin and other POW coins, NXT and NEM have more similarity and we can join force to emphasize our strength in a green economical network and highlight the problems with the computational arm-races used by Bitcoin and other POW coins. Let's focus on cooperation and innovation instead of envy and hatred as that are also  NEM's core concepts and principles.

BTW, we appreciate active participants much more than passive ones/ investors. So contact me if you want to help in any way. Thanks.

Well said. I totally agree. As for your appreciation for active members, I am reading this Forum for many months now, butt never became a member because as a coffee shop owner I have no programming skills and no designer skills. Further I prefer to read what members with knowledge of crypto currency have to tell then to add my own nonsense. I'm into Btc and people can actually pay with Btc in my shop. I'll be the first to accept NEM, because I really like the principles of this new direction you guys are taking this.

Awesome. You might also consider selling things on the NEM asset market as well. Using the NEM encrypted messaging, you can receive a physical address from a buyer and send an encrypted invoice.

[gabbo876]

Hello Nemunity,

here is the logo in white, for the new website: ournem.com

http://imageshack.com/a/img196/7079/p9a4.png http://imageshack.com/a/img35/1204/76nj.png http://imageshack.com/a/img62/4815/39xz.png

http://imageshack.com/a/img853/1699/b7xx.png

http://imageshack.com/a/img594/7371/wj39.png

http://imageshack.com/a/img89/3194/57va.png

BTT is full of Banners!
keep up the good work

The most elegant logo so far...

+1

[nxt_rainbow]

http://www.ournem.com/  is down


Proxy Error

The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
The proxy server could not handle the request GET http://www.ournem.com/.

Reason: DNS lookup failure for: www.ournem.com

[utopianfuture]

http://www.ournem.com/  is down


Proxy Error

The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
The proxy server could not handle the request GET http://www.ournem.com/.

Reason: DNS lookup failure for: www.ournem.com

I took it down for 1 day to add some changes. It will be up soon.

[Chris001]

1. How to get independency from BTC
2. How to transfer value from the real world to NEM in a direct way (so then merchant can use directly)
3. How to establish an easy fiat-NEM exchange that goes in line with point 2

1. Independency from BTC will be only achieved when you can exchange fiat directly into NEM without BTC in the middle. We should as a community now think about funding a site that offers that possibility. Or maybe contacting Graviton about when is he about to implement fiat in dgex...

2. Most merchants will accept NEM only if we get enough buzz around it. As dogecoin can be used to buy real life stuff, can NEM sure as hell be used to buy stuff! It just depends on how aggressive is our marketing plan. Oh an by the way there should be a marketing plan comprised for NEM, so anyone up for the task go ahead!

3. I don't think there is a easy way. The easiest could be to get NEM into an already existing exchange. Trying to come up with an exchange with ourselves is something that I fear will be a horrible task. But if anyone feels up for the task he should go ahead by all means! Otherwise Graviton, I believe, is trying to get dgex into accepting fiat.. Maybe he could do it or then we should contact some other exchanges. But realistically we wont have a chance into getting into any exchange without donations, because NEM will be a new and volatile coin with no guarantees.

In order to disconnect NEM from BTC, we will need a fiat -> NEM exchange. In the US coinbase is the only way to convert fiat to BTC. They've gotten lots of venture funding (so it's probably legal). If anyone can figure out the legality of it, I will be willing to help build an exchange.

+1000

So who has the legal part covered?

If merchants have to convert to BTC this is bad

[makoto1337]

I think we should brainstorm about how to get a FIAT <-> NEM service going.
Any ideas ?

PayPal shuts you down before you can say "new econom... aaaan your shut down.

If you wan't to work with wire transfer you have to go through tons of legal issues.

Physically sending the money takes way to long.

I will exchange NEM for JPY if you live in Japan.

[newcn]

Hi,NEM devs:

I wonder what kind of account-address will NEM use? the nxt-digit style or the BTC-style? if it's the nxt-digit style, I suggest adding a few checksum characters in front of the account number, the checksum characters can be used to validate the account number. The number of checksum characters do not have to be fixed, it can be varied in a range(you can use letters for checksum characters only,then it can be distinguished from account numbers), so ppl can choose some accounts with meaningful checksums, for example, I will  select accounts start with newcn, say, newcn293929102290

[KimNg]

To all the designers, make sure our NEM logo is unique and not similar anything out there.

[2Kool4Skewl]

I temporarily took 2Kool4Skewl from NEM stakeholder list as I understand that he does not want to be there. In the first 20 pages of the fundraising, many people do not entirely understand about the scope as well as purpose of NEM so it was easy just to post "interested" there by a mistake. Contrary to what used to be in the first page of the fundraising thread , NEM do offer refund after the announcement of detail development plan (probably in 2 weeks or so) so if someone does not feel they fit in with NEM community, they can leave voluntarily.

As written in ournem.com, at this stage NEM is first of all a community of which people share a certain ideas and goals and we going to build NEM/ Nemcoin as our decentralized payment platform together as we go along. I see no reason to keep people that are unhappy with NEM and this approach. There are no coins to share yet so it is not like we are taking anything from anyone. If 2Kool4Skewl wants to join back in, just say so before I make the unified stakeholder list and I will add him in.  

The majority of NEM funding comes from Bitcoin and only about 30% of NEM stakeholders appear in NXT discussion before (see an excellent statistics by newcn) so I see NXT and NEM having quite a different demographics, also different technology and purposes. While I think there is a certain aspect of competition between the two blockchain, we can learn from each others as well. Some are developers of both NXT and NEM and they work across the aisle and I think that is a good thing. It will help advancing experiments and innovations in more directions. Compared to Bitcoin and other POW coins, NXT and NEM have more similarity and we can join force to emphasize our strength in a green economical network and highlight the problems with the computational arm-races used by Bitcoin and other POW coins. Let's focus on cooperation and innovation instead of envy and hatred as that are also  NEM's core concepts and principles.

BTW, we appreciate active participants much more than passive ones/ investors. So contact me if you want to help in any way. Thanks.

I'm certainly glad that I didn't invest any NXT or BTC for my Nem stake seeing that UtopianFuture and the community is so willing to remove a stakeholder from the genesis block.  All I said was that I didn't think the current feature set was innovative and I didn't think collecting for a dev fund was ethical seeing that Nem has no feasible innovation imo.

What does this say about your community?  Isn't "UtopianFuture" a misnomer now?

Everyone might want to think long and hard about what has just happened here.

[2Kool4Skewl]

I also don't like to see people giving away their Nxt for nothing, which at this time, is what they have done.  They have given it away for the promise of something in the future.  When I posted "interested", I didn't know that Nem was going to start collecting Nxt and Btc.  I think this collection is unethical, because I can't see anything worthy of a dev fund.

Hello.

It seems you have double standards!

This can also be translated to:

I also don't like to see people giving away their BTC for nothing, which at this time, is what they have done. They have given it away for the promise of something in the future.

"they" = NXT investors at that time before end of Novmeber
At that time there was only a promise from the developer aka "BCNext"!
Do you consider NXT IPO at that time unethical too?

No, because NXT was innovative.  I don't think NEM has any functional innovation.

[2Kool4Skewl]

...

1. I heard that Nem is different because you're translating the code.  I don't think that's innovative.  
2. I think POI is a flawed concept.  
3. I'm not sure what is meant by "different types of node", maybe someone can enlighten me.

...

I added the numbers in the above quite but i did not alter the text.

1. Translation is not the goal here. AFAIK NEM is also going to be built with JAVA so it's not the right word either. I think the goal is to have our own solid codebase and since quite a few things are being changed it's probably better to start over.

2. How so ? (I'm actually interested so plz do answer )

3. From the dev plan (I thought you read it ?):

NEM will have two types of nodes: server nodes and normal nodes.
Server nodes will store a full blockchain history. The full blockchain will serve as a public ledger, which will be important in order to preserve blockchain explorer functionality. Server nodes will publish all nodes and also a consolidated snapshot.

Normal nodes will connect to the network and request a consolidated snapshot from the server nodes. This snapshot will contain balance information for all accounts as well information about outstanding orders. Snapshots will be made daily and will include data from all confirmed blocks. After syncing the snapshot, the client will need to sync all blocks that were made after the snapshot up to the current time. After syncing those blocks, the client will be ready to begin interacting with the NEM network.
This should minimize the amount of time it takes a fresh client to sync the full blockchain and get online.
A snapshot will be generated daily. When a new snapshot is confirmed by the blockchain, a special no-fee snapshot transaction will be sent to a special account. New clients can validate the most recent snapshot by using hash attached to the last transaction sent to the special account. Snapshots will be validated after 1440 confirmations.

How will POI deal with people who have dynamic IPs?

The server / normal node scheme seems like it adds a trust factor into the equation.

[dzarmush]

Here's an idea for the public audit.

There are 113 pages of Nxt transactions:


Say I'll check last 23 pages: from 90 to 113. Is there anyone willing to check previous pages? We only need 6 people to check all Nxt transactions and 12 people to double check them.

Update: If you like the idea, I'll create a self-moderated topic where we split pages to check.

[j23a]

I temporarily took 2Kool4Skewl from NEM stakeholder list as I understand that he does not want to be there. In the first 20 pages of the fundraising, many people do not entirely understand about the scope as well as purpose of NEM so it was easy just to post "interested" there by a mistake. Contrary to what used to be in the first page of the fundraising thread , NEM do offer refund after the announcement of detail development plan (probably in 2 weeks or so) so if someone does not feel they fit in with NEM community, they can leave voluntarily.

As written in ournem.com, at this stage NEM is first of all a community of which people share a certain ideas and goals and we going to build NEM/ Nemcoin as our decentralized payment platform together as we go along. I see no reason to keep people that are unhappy with NEM and this approach. There are no coins to share yet so it is not like we are taking anything from anyone. If 2Kool4Skewl wants to join back in, just say so before I make the unified stakeholder list and I will add him in.  

The majority of NEM funding comes from Bitcoin and only about 30% of NEM stakeholders appear in NXT discussion before (see an excellent statistics by newcn) so I see NXT and NEM having quite a different demographics, also different technology and purposes. While I think there is a certain aspect of competition between the two blockchain, we can learn from each others as well. Some are developers of both NXT and NEM and they work across the aisle and I think that is a good thing. It will help advancing experiments and innovations in more directions. Compared to Bitcoin and other POW coins, NXT and NEM have more similarity and we can join force to emphasize our strength in a green economical network and highlight the problems with the computational arm-races used by Bitcoin and other POW coins. Let's focus on cooperation and innovation instead of envy and hatred as that are also  NEM's core concepts and principles.

BTW, we appreciate active participants much more than passive ones/ investors. So contact me if you want to help in any way. Thanks.

I'm certainly glad that I didn't invest any NXT or BTC for my Nem stake seeing that UtopianFuture and the community is so willing to remove a stakeholder from the genesis block.  All I said was that I didn't think the current feature set was innovative and I didn't think collecting for a dev fund was ethical seeing that Nem has no feasible innovation imo.

What does this say about your community?  Isn't "UtopianFuture" a misnomer now?

Everyone might want to think good and hard about what has just happened here.

Seems fair to me. You don't seem happy with NEM, nor do you seem to like it, talking negative about it, spreading FUD despite being a stakeholder. So he's giving you an option since it seems that perhaps you said interested without really knowing much about Nem. So he's doing you a favor and removing you from the list, and giving you the option of joining now that you're more familiar with Nem. So what's your decision?

[makoto1337]

Hello Nemunity,

here is the logo in white, for the new website: ournem.com

BTT is full of Banners!
keep up the good work

The most elegant logo so far...

+1

I agree. I still like this the best.