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February 25, 2014, 01:55:36 PM
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time to praise:
UP & all the Dev-Team members, youre doing a wonderfull job!
I'm really amazed.
good day Smiley

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February 25, 2014, 02:01:49 PM
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time to praise:
UP & all the Dev-Team members, youre doing a wonderfull job!
I'm really amazed.
good day Smiley

+1 ,Devs are doing great job,we all should aprreciate that.
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February 25, 2014, 02:08:13 PM
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In regards to his character, he already showed it. If he starts acting in a more reasonable, less troll of a way, it won't change his character, he would still be the same person.

Hard to believe that a senior member of this forum can show such childish behavior. But, to finished, I'm glad that he can hold his stake and have the opportunity to act more reasonably. This speak very good about this community!

I was simply looking out for everyone that gave Nxt or Btc to the dev fund. 

When I received my stake, no one had to pay.  At that point, if Nem wasn't fairly distributed and had no code, no one lost anything.  Later when UtopianFuture started collecting Nxt and Btc, people were at risk of losing their money.  I've seen the Visacoin, Shares, Aero, etc scams and I know how eager people are to get a stake in the next Nxt.  I don't think it is ethical to sell people on promises with little actual work.  Writing Nem from scratch is easier said than done.  People might say that I'm bashing Nem so they invest in Nxt, but the fact is that Nxt is being actively developed.  If I had to pay Nxt to get Nem, I would just keep my Nxt, but everyone has the right to make their own decision.

You are really acting like a 2 year old.  If you are an example of what Nxt is about, then I'm glad new options are being created.  As for your potential scam allegations, the funding is over now.  The only thing you are doing now is sabotaging the project and taking attention away from managing the project to your child like antics.  However, I do believe you should still have your stake.  Please just take your stake and support NEM, or leave.
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February 25, 2014, 02:14:00 PM
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time to praise:
UP & all the Dev-Team members, youre doing a wonderfull job!
I'm really amazed.
good day Smiley

+1 ,Devs are doing great job,we all should aprreciate that.

+1 yeah for sure, but UP please use us non-programmers members more. Some of us are itching to do more , I am sure there must be lawers, doctors, merchants, students , engineers and lots of other professionals. Surely there must be something we can come up with that could help NEM.
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February 25, 2014, 02:18:24 PM
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well apparently i don't get a stake purely because i linked the logo i made to imgur instead of posting it directly in the reply

how is that fair? i still made a logo! Sad i was so looking forward to being a part of NEM too.....

i know i'm not the only one this has hapened to so can i please ask if i can have the stake???

You can still win a development share. I still don't know how your logo looks.

if everyone else who made a logo got a normal stake, why dont i too?

this was my logo;




Can AAAple12 perhaps buy a stake with the spot he used for the logo?

I do feel bad if he's been active the past month with NEM and is missing out due to a miscommunications.

There's nothing worse than missing out on a possibly big opportunity due to a miscommunication. I speak from experience.

If it was all due to a miscommunications, I think this is a sensible solution, if he's been following up on Nem and reading this thread everyday.

Well he could have his stake back just as Mr.2Kool4Skewl could have his stake back. I don't really like to take things from people. But it is sad that some people like to madly argue that some rules are baseless, trivial just because the rules are going against them. 



Apparently I made a wrong evaluation in the beginning of this NEM IPO;
and ofc let the previous NXT logo competition "scare" Smiley

Otherwise everything would have been so much easier and saved network bandwidth  Wink

Suggestions (drafts) for NEM logo and currency symbol:

https://i.imgur.com/3CmjQ99.png

https://i.imgur.com/q8cfQnC.png



https://i.imgur.com/Zj7Fa7A.png

https://i.imgur.com/q8HOwwA.png

https://i.imgur.com/xFUT8Wc.png

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February 25, 2014, 02:25:59 PM
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Interesting discussion in NXT thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5356613#msg5356613

It seems they realize that 100% POS coin concept is not enough as it
does not give any incentive to users with low account balance to run the node.
I see some influence of "NON INNOVATIVE" PON / POI concept here Wink


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February 25, 2014, 02:41:32 PM
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Interesting discussion in NXT thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5356613#msg5356613

It seems they realize that 100% POS coin concept is not enough as it
does not give any incentive to users with low account balance to run the node.
I see some influence of "NON INNOVATIVE" PON / POI concept here Wink



I don't believe that the issue has really taken 2 months to admit the fact (and its consequences) Smiley

https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,1268.0.html

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February 25, 2014, 03:54:37 PM
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Interesting discussion in NXT thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5356613#msg5356613

It seems they realize that 100% POS coin concept is not enough as it
does not give any incentive to users with low account balance to run the node.
I see some influence of "NON INNOVATIVE" PON / POI concept here Wink



sorry for asking a newbie question?  Smiley but why is it important for small accounts to run their nodes. Is it not enough for big accounts to run the system, they are forging all the fees anyway.

How does the POI system work anyway, Who or what determines which node is more important. Will it be possible in NEM for a person with 100 NEM to forge more then a person with 10000 NEM?
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February 25, 2014, 04:02:56 PM
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Interesting discussion in NXT thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5356613#msg5356613

It seems they realize that 100% POS coin concept is not enough as it
does not give any incentive to users with low account balance to run the node.
I see some influence of "NON INNOVATIVE" PON / POI concept here Wink



sorry for asking a newbie question?  Smiley but why is it important for small accounts to run their nodes. Is it not enough for big accounts to run the system, they are forging all the fees anyway.

How does the POI system work anyway, Who or what determines which node is more important. Will it be possible in NEM for a person with 100 NEM to forge more then a person with 10000 NEM?

It depends on a couple of factors and I think the details e.g. balance between factors aren't 1000% worked out yet.

The amount of NEM you own will still be a factor. Also it will be a factor how much you actually use NEM. If you buy 100000 NEM but never make a single transaction your not going to get very far in terms of forging. It will also depend on what kind of node you are running. If you are running a client node you're not as important to the network as if you're running a server node which holds the entire blockchain.

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February 25, 2014, 04:14:35 PM
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Interesting discussion in NXT thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5356613#msg5356613

It seems they realize that 100% POS coin concept is not enough as it
does not give any incentive to users with low account balance to run the node.
I see some influence of "NON INNOVATIVE" PON / POI concept here Wink



sorry for asking a newbie question?  Smiley but why is it important for small accounts to run their nodes. Is it not enough for big accounts to run the system, they are forging all the fees anyway.

How does the POI system work anyway, Who or what determines which node is more important. Will it be possible in NEM for a person with 100 NEM to forge more then a person with 10000 NEM?

It depends on a couple of factors and I think the details e.g. balance between factors aren't 1000% worked out yet.

The amount of NEM you own will still be a factor. Also it will be a factor how much you actually use NEM. If you buy 100000 NEM but never make a single transaction your not going to get very far in terms of forging. It will also depend on what kind of node you are running. If you are running a client node you're not as important to the network as if you're running a server node which holds the entire blockchain.

That sounds great!

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February 25, 2014, 04:22:55 PM
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time to praise:
UP & all the Dev-Team members, youre doing a wonderfull job!
I'm really amazed.
good day Smiley
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February 25, 2014, 04:26:37 PM
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Interesting discussion in NXT thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5356613#msg5356613

It seems they realize that 100% POS coin concept is not enough as it
does not give any incentive to users with low account balance to run the node.
I see some influence of "NON INNOVATIVE" PON / POI concept here Wink



sorry for asking a newbie question?  Smiley but why is it important for small accounts to run their nodes. Is it not enough for big accounts to run the system, they are forging all the fees anyway.

How does the POI system work anyway, Who or what determines which node is more important. Will it be possible in NEM for a person with 100 NEM to forge more then a person with 10000 NEM?

It depends on a couple of factors and I think the details e.g. balance between factors aren't 1000% worked out yet.

The amount of NEM you own will still be a factor. Also it will be a factor how much you actually use NEM. If you buy 100000 NEM but never make a single transaction your not going to get very far in terms of forging. It will also depend on what kind of node you are running. If you are running a client node you're not as important to the network as if you're running a server node which holds the entire blockchain.

That sounds great!

 do I need expensive hardware to run the a server node? I mine litecoins, can I use my rig to run a node, is gpu relevent? Do I need a highquality hardrive  as it is with emunie? Would bandwith speed be a factor in forging? sorry for asking so many questions, but I really would like to try running a server node?

Would electricity cost be a factor? my country has one of the cheapest power cost in Asia I think.

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February 25, 2014, 04:37:20 PM
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Interesting discussion in NXT thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5356613#msg5356613

It seems they realize that 100% POS coin concept is not enough as it
does not give any incentive to users with low account balance to run the node.
I see some influence of "NON INNOVATIVE" PON / POI concept here Wink



sorry for asking a newbie question?  Smiley but why is it important for small accounts to run their nodes. Is it not enough for big accounts to run the system, they are forging all the fees anyway.

How does the POI system work anyway, Who or what determines which node is more important. Will it be possible in NEM for a person with 100 NEM to forge more then a person with 10000 NEM?

It depends on a couple of factors and I think the details e.g. balance between factors aren't 1000% worked out yet.

The amount of NEM you own will still be a factor. Also it will be a factor how much you actually use NEM. If you buy 100000 NEM but never make a single transaction your not going to get very far in terms of forging. It will also depend on what kind of node you are running. If you are running a client node you're not as important to the network as if you're running a server node which holds the entire blockchain.

That sounds great!

 do I need expensive hardware to run the a server node? I mine litecoins, can I use my rig to run a node, is gpu relevent? Do I need a highquality hardrive  as it is with emunie? Would bandwith speed be a factor in forging? sorry for asking so many questions, but I really would like to try running a server node?

Would electricity cost be a factor? my country has one of the cheapest power cost in Asia I think.



It'll probably be like nxt in terms of hardware requirements so really low.

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February 25, 2014, 05:19:29 PM
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Interesting discussion in NXT thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5356613#msg5356613

It seems they realize that 100% POS coin concept is not enough as it
does not give any incentive to users with low account balance to run the node.
I see some influence of "NON INNOVATIVE" PON / POI concept here Wink

I don't believe that the issue has really taken 2 months to admit the fact (and its consequences) Smiley

https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,1268.0.html


What does securing the network when pools are in the picture have to do with what you guys are talking about?    Huh

ok, didn't noticed the details .. thought that the main issue was - again - the incentives of forging.


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February 25, 2014, 05:20:36 PM
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Interesting discussion in NXT thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5356613#msg5356613

It seems they realize that 100% POS coin concept is not enough as it
does not give any incentive to users with low account balance to run the node.
I see some influence of "NON INNOVATIVE" PON / POI concept here Wink



sorry for asking a newbie question?  Smiley but why is it important for small accounts to run their nodes. Is it not enough for big accounts to run the system, they are forging all the fees anyway.

How does the POI system work anyway, Who or what determines which node is more important. Will it be possible in NEM for a person with 100 NEM to forge more then a person with 10000 NEM?

It depends on a couple of factors and I think the details e.g. balance between factors aren't 1000% worked out yet.

The amount of NEM you own will still be a factor. Also it will be a factor how much you actually use NEM. If you buy 100000 NEM but never make a single transaction your not going to get very far in terms of forging. It will also depend on what kind of node you are running. If you are running a client node you're not as important to the network as if you're running a server node which holds the entire blockchain.

That sounds great!

 do I need expensive hardware to run the a server node? I mine litecoins, can I use my rig to run a node, is gpu relevent? Do I need a highquality hardrive  as it is with emunie? Would bandwith speed be a factor in forging? sorry for asking so many questions, but I really would like to try running a server node?

Would electricity cost be a factor? my country has one of the cheapest power cost in Asia I think.



It'll probably be like nxt in terms of hardware requirements so really low.


It would be awesome to forge without high-end-hardware similar to NXT-forging. I'm a real follower of NEM in regard to unfair distribution of NXT.

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February 25, 2014, 06:18:38 PM
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time to praise:
UP & all the Dev-Team members, youre doing a wonderfull job!
I'm really amazed.
good day Smiley

+1 ,Devs are doing great job,we all should aprreciate that.

+1 yeah for sure, but UP please use us non-programmers members more. Some of us are itching to do more , I am sure there must be lawers, doctors, merchants, students , engineers and lots of other professionals. Surely there must be something we can come up with that could help NEM.

Now these are my thoughts (nothing official) and If anybody feels like contributing more:

Something that should (read must) be done is the following. We must organize as a community the pre-launch promoting campaign regarding nem. I mean here that in the Trello board we have the required stuff like all the social media, charity ideas, logo board and etc. All these things must be synchronized before the launch. We will need a comprehensive NEM marketing plan including social media and blogs, (possible) advertising and charity campaigns.

I haven't asked Utopian about this (Utopian you reading this?), but I think something like this has to be done anyways, and there could be a lot of help if somebody started working on it.

Now I think the timetable could be something like 2 weeks before the launch that we start the campaign. Now I've got too much work atm to start building it up completely, but if somebody does the main work I can consult and help when needed. Just to give some ideas you can check out the NMAC IPO filing and the marketing plan in pages 18-25, where I wrote a similar plan for a mobile app:

https://mega.co.nz/#!KdITnBIB!PW_sWdyNi7IGWC_VYSSO9Ki8ja6RC2YTpW20VrEshh4 (direct download of the IPO filing)
https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3313.0.html (link to IPO thread just in case)

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February 25, 2014, 06:49:06 PM
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Shameless repost, we need community members to get involved for this to be great!

nemcoin.info
Current Versions are at:
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.8.html (black theme)
and
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.7.html (blue theme)

Google Docs:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gbp1rivOTFZvtBG0_rJabUyyKbDuZjMBx9jiifBJO0c/edit?usp=sharing   (nemcoin.info proposal)

Please give me your input, I have appreciated all the suggestions so far! Do you like the black or blue theme? I prefer the blue theme as I think it is more welcoming, but the black theme would go well with ournem.com
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Reading previous posts this may not be popular...

Don't mind black or blue - what I would say is the contrast of the black really helps other features stand out and gives the page a stronger more striking feel to it...

In comparison the blue feels more average colour, a bit like Hewlett Packard corporate blue and microsoft use a blue like that quite a lot.

Nothing wrong with that... they want to be welcoming too. A DARKER Blue perhaps would give welcome and contrast?

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February 25, 2014, 07:13:59 PM
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Shameless repost, we need community members to get involved for this to be great!

nemcoin.info
Current Versions are at:
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.8.html (black theme)
and
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.7.html (blue theme)

Google Docs:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gbp1rivOTFZvtBG0_rJabUyyKbDuZjMBx9jiifBJO0c/edit?usp=sharing   (nemcoin.info proposal)

Please give me your input, I have appreciated all the suggestions so far! Do you like the black or blue theme? I prefer the blue theme as I think it is more welcoming, but the black theme would go well with ournem.com
<snip>

Reading previous posts this may not be popular...

Don't mind black or blue - what I would say is the contrast of the black really helps other features stand out and gives the page a stronger more striking feel to it...

In comparison the blue feels more average colour, a bit like Hewlett Packard corporate blue and microsoft use a blue like that quite a lot.

Nothing wrong with that... they want to be welcoming too. A DARKER Blue perhaps would give welcome and contrast?

I think there is too much text in the website.

I personally like clean websites. Like this one I made for NXT once;

http://ilgunf.wix.com/nxtmovement

Also the buttons on top of the website are not noticable (Home, about, community etc.). I noticed them after 3 visites to the website.

So my advice is to keep it very simple and readable for everyone.

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Shameless repost, we need community members to get involved for this to be great!

nemcoin.info
Current Versions are at:
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.8.html (black theme)
and
http://oddape.co/AwkwardTheme/index1.9.7.html (blue theme)

Google Docs:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gbp1rivOTFZvtBG0_rJabUyyKbDuZjMBx9jiifBJO0c/edit?usp=sharing   (nemcoin.info proposal)

Please give me your input, I have appreciated all the suggestions so far! Do you like the black or blue theme? I prefer the blue theme as I think it is more welcoming, but the black theme would go well with ournem.com
<snip>

Reading previous posts this may not be popular...

Don't mind black or blue - what I would say is the contrast of the black really helps other features stand out and gives the page a stronger more striking feel to it...
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In comparison the blue feels more average colour, a bit like Hewlett Packard corporate blue and microsoft use a blue like that quite a lot.

Nothing wrong with that... they want to be welcoming too. A DARKER Blue perhaps would give welcome and contrast?
Sorry to be a bore but i don't really like any. Just looks a bit tatty and to much on the eye. I like clean looking <ebay tones fonts> its just my opinion ok your doing well .
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February 25, 2014, 07:24:48 PM
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Hi,

I sent 0.075 BTC but my pseudo is not in the stakeholder list. Why? What should I do?
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