[NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread

[Eadeqa]

If NEM  software is mostly cloned from NXT with a few changes 1:40 will be a very good deal.

You seem to be misinformed. There is no common code between NEM and NXT. Aside from the "N", they're completely different.

It would help if you didn't have links like

https://github.com/NxtEM/nem

from your facebook site

By the way, does Nem use secp256k1 like bitcoin?

[thuhyl]

If NEM  software is mostly cloned from NXT with a few changes 1:40 will be a very good deal.

You seem to be misinformed. There is no common code between NEM and NXT. Aside from the "N", they're completely different.

I think the market cap between Nem and Nxt should be based on comparison of XCP and  MSC.

[UtopianNow]

If NEM  software is mostly cloned from NXT with a few changes 1:40 will be a very good deal.

You seem to be misinformed. There is no common code between NEM and NXT. Aside from the "N", they're completely different.

Jaguar0625, I did not intend to sound critical with my use of the word 'clone'.

A better description for what you are doing might be 'remake', like with a movie, or 'cover', like with a song or piece of music.

There is room for deviation from the original.

I believe I understand what you are trying to achieve.

Our initial plan was to base NEM on the NXT code, which is why there are two versions of the NXT code in the repository. However, this project garnered a really large amount of interest and we have more dev resources than I expected. At this time, it is the consensus of the dev team to base NEM on some of the NXT ideas but write the code from scratch. While this will take a little more time and effort now, I think it will set up NEM much better in the long run.

The goal is not for NEM to be a NXT copy and paste coin. IMO, there's no value in that. With NEM, we want to take some of the best ideas of NXT and Bitcoin and create something new and, hopefully, better.

[UtopianNow]

NEM has potential to become the silver to NXT's gold, just as LTC is the silver to BTC's gold in POW coins.

I think NEM has the potential to become the platinum to NXT's gold.

NEM may have this potential if your platform makes improvements that can't easily be incorporated into other POS coins like NXT.

The two communities will determine which of NXT & NEM achieve the greatest network effect.

I think both will be technically capable of viral growth, that is why I want to invest heavily in NEM at this time to diversify.

I was not an original NXT stakeholder, so it is wise to diversify if I can.

IMO BCNext's social experiment is working now. NXT has no leaders, but despite this their community is very active with development, and they are making much progress.

If NEM is to be the platinum it must decentralise like NXT asap.

NXT community is becoming aware of what they are now, and they are learning how to operate without a leader..

I listen to the smart people like Adam B Levine.

I'd have to let you make me your spokesman, and as mentioned in other places I'm not picking sides.  I think there is huge potential in all the metalayers and I want to help all of you succeed as much as possible.  The future is big and roomy, lots of room for multiple projects and communities to work on these ideas in parallel and since the whole thing is open source it is merely quaint competition rather than antipathy driven.

Regardless, you can buy air-time on my program (as NXT did two months ago, and I think Kris has been doing great work with it) if you want to keep NXT in mind for people tuning into LTB or the other shows on our network.

But you can't buy me  You can only demonstrate that you'll looking for ideas that solve problems instead of ideas that reinforce an arbitrary leaders ego.   I think NXT has a damn good chance of that simply because ya'll don't have leaders.

I'd highly recommend as many NXTers as possible read the book "The Spider and the Starfish: The Unstoppable Power of Leaderless Organizations" - You guys have an "apache" or "na'taan" model of leadership, you just don't know it so it doesn't work too well.

NXT is like the beast with a thousand arms and no head.  Difficult to organize, but with many resources at its disposal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dzK-0wB-CA

[swartzfeger]

no jitters.. lol i dont do anything due to nerves...

Sorry kodtycoon, I didn't mean to imply you... I meant the community in general getting jitters from seeing people wanting to sell. There's nothing wrong in wanting to sell; I've considered it. It's a gamble. Sell to someone who sees a big upside? Sure. And risk getting burned 6 or 12 months down the road? Quite possibly.

My point is that seeing people wanting to sell stakes shouldn't rattle our cages. Some are from people seeing a possible opportunity. Some are trolls. If you see upside to NEM, we need to put our tray in the upright position and fasten our seatbelts for some momentary turbulence.

We'll forget all this bullshit once we have a client to fire up.

[gimre]

A better description for what you are doing might be 'remake', like with a movie, or 'cover', like with a song or piece of music.

There is room for deviation from the original.

Was NXT 'cover', of bitcoin? I think not.

I believe "cover" is also bad word in this case. We've started from SCRATCH.

[zrunfeng]

i am late,what a pity

[hill]

here is my suggestion for the sockpuppets problem:
1) disqualify all the new accounts after January 21, 2014 and refund them if they did fund NEM project;and
2)  give those shakes to the real and important members of BTT, such as Hero Members or Sr. Members if they are interested in NEM project.
so we can get strong support from the community.

[patmast3r]

If NEM  software is mostly cloned from NXT with a few changes 1:40 will be a very good deal.

It isn't. It's written from scratch and the devs are working on it everyday. This whole silver to NXT Gold may have been that start of NEM but with the developments so far it looks like NEM is going to be a lot more than that.

[ashapasa]

here is my suggestion for the sockpuppets problem:
1) disqualify all the new accounts after January 21, 2014 and refund them if they did fund NEM project;and
2)  give those shakes to the real and important members of BTT, such as Hero Members or Sr. Members if they are interested in NEM project.
so we can get strong support from the community.

Throw the baby out along with the bathwater, its a great idea, why did we not think of this before . I joined bitcointalk for the sole purpose of joining NEM, I read this thread every day for the last one month. I paid for my stake fair and square, I don't have multiple stakes and yet u want to kick us out , I have a suggestion maybe we should put the cutoff point to accounts created in October, that would be even better, idiots like u will also be included. Will gladly give up my stake if u did  

[ashapasa]

Sorry lost my cool there. But look its not that simple. There are real people supporting NEM who are newbies. Please try to understand that.

[pkuqsq]

here is my suggestion for the sockpuppets problem:
1) disqualify all the new accounts after January 21, 2014 and refund them if they did fund NEM project;and
2)  give those shakes to the real and important members of BTT, such as Hero Members or Sr. Members if they are interested in NEM project.
so we can get strong support from the community.

Throw the baby out along with the bathwater, its a great idea, why did we not think of this before . I joined bitcointalk for the sole purpose of joining NEM, I read this thread every day for the last one month. I paid for my stake fair and square, I don't have multiple stakes and yet u want to kick us out , I have a suggestion maybe we should put the cutoff point to accounts created in October, that would be even better, idiots like u will also be included. Will gladly give up my stake if u did  

+1

[dgex_victim]

here is my suggestion for the sockpuppets problem:
1) disqualify all the new accounts after January 21, 2014 and refund them if they did fund NEM project;and
2)  give those shakes to the real and important members of BTT, such as Hero Members or Sr. Members if they are interested in NEM project.
so we can get strong support from the community.

I agree with this 100%. If NEM isn't going to honour the statements utopian made previously on multiple accounts we might as well eradicate all the socks and suffer the consequences of that rule change.

As it stands, there has been a retrospective rule change, BUT we still have sockpuppets, so NEM distribution is flawed. Might as well have a retrospective rule change BUT end up with NO sockpuppets at the end of it.

It would require utopianfuture doing a monumental back-flip in the pike position, but IMO banning all sockpuppets is easier to defend than the current policy of 5. The '5 socks' policy looks ridiculous, and there's obviously some people who avoided taint analysis who have a lot more than 5.

UP could reboot a new BTT account to carry on his leadership of NEM, and the sockpuppet fiasco would be over.

One account one stake, and no more socks. Ban all socks!!

[raymarius]

here is my suggestion for the sockpuppets problem:
1) disqualify all the new accounts after January 21, 2014 and refund them if they did fund NEM project;and
2)  give those shakes to the real and important members of BTT, such as Hero Members or Sr. Members if they are interested in NEM project.
so we can get strong support from the community.

I agree with this 100%. If NEM isn't going to honour the statements utopian made previously on multiple accounts we might as well eradicate all the socks and suffer the consequences of that rule change.

As it stands, there has been a retrospective rule change, BUT we still have sockpuppets, so NEM distribution is flawed. Might as well have a retrospective rule change BUT end up with NO sockpuppets at the end of it.

It would require utopianfuture doing a monumental back-flip in the pike position, but IMO banning all sockpuppets is easier to defend than the current policy of 5. The '5 socks' policy looks ridiculous, and there's obviously some people who avoided taint analysis who have a lot more than 5.

UP could reboot a new BTT account to carry on his leadership of NEM, and the sockpuppet fiasco would be over.

One account one stake, and no more socks. Ban all socks!!

  u mean ban socks right.

[johnV]

here is my suggestion for the sockpuppets problem:
1) disqualify all the new accounts after January 21, 2014 and refund them if they did fund NEM project;and
2)  give those shakes to the real and important members of BTT, such as Hero Members or Sr. Members if they are interested in NEM project.
so we can get strong support from the community.

Throw the baby out along with the bathwater, its a great idea, why did we not think of this before . I joined bitcointalk for the sole purpose of joining NEM, I read this thread every day for the last one month. I paid for my stake fair and square, I don't have multiple stakes and yet u want to kick us out , I have a suggestion maybe we should put the cutoff point to accounts created in October, that would be even better, idiots like u will also be included. Will gladly give up my stake if u did  

+1

[hisun]

If NEM  software is mostly cloned from NXT with a few changes 1:40 will be a very good deal.

It isn't. It's written from scratch and the devs are working on it everyday. This whole silver to NXT Gold may have been that start of NEM but with the developments so far it looks like NEM is going to be a lot more than that.

nem exciting one currency, will change the world。

[utopianfuture]

For the record, I like the community as it is. Since it has a uniquely wide breadth and depth even at this stage and I expect amazing things from the community when the time comes.

So I see there is no real issue with NEM community (and surely only imaginary fiasco). Thank you all for your supports.

[raymarius]

For the record, I like the community as it is. Since it has a uniquely wide breadth and depth even at this stage and I expect amazing things from the community when the time comes.

So I see there is no real issue with NEM community (and surely only imaginary fiasco). Thank you all for your supports.

thanks UP for your support  .

[SBOSS]

I won't bother with precise numbers but, if you view the census, you would see that around a third of the stakeholders belongs to group 3 (inactive accounts who only posted on the NEM threads).   Not to shatter your belief system but most people don't actively post on internet forums, especially ones like BTT which can be full of 'tards and trolls (no offense intended to anyone).

Worse case scenario - half of group 3 could be sock puppets but, with there being 3000 stakeholders, that is only 500 stakes.  A distribution to 2500 real people is an unprecedented distribution without parallel.

[raymarius]

And even from the 500 I think half is getting refunded.  . sadly people are now only talking about price and sockpokets  . This thread was so much fun before. People coming up with so many logos and ideas and such. I wish we could all go back to that phase