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sonysasankan
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If you look carefully, his current clients are paying more than double the average rate. Try to see what the person is saying before claiming superior intellect. It is perfectly possible to put a low price, and switch it back up after a second, as you just need to be first on the list and have people click your rig. Once they enter a contract, complications appear and people might not even notice the increased price. This is the definition of scamming.
Thank you for your thoughtful comment. Yes, that is exactly what I'm talking about. You can't see that using the feedback system... I could rent 2-3 rigs that used to be 4 MH/s each using three rig numbers for a week, then decide to club them as one 12 MH rig using the first rig's number... and the feedback (and prices) of the first one week (of the 4MH rig) would be populated under the currrently operating 12MH rig. So no.... the superior intellect says that its very much plausable to see double, tripple or quadripple the going rate for a given rig. |
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In order to get the maximum amount of activity points possible, you just need to post once per day on average. Skipping days is OK as long as you maintain the average.
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emmettoc
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March 19, 2014, 05:48:56 PM |
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I have no idea who he is... but more importantly, does it matter?
Hi, invactus, please just reply to me on the betarigs, not here. |
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emmettoc
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March 19, 2014, 05:50:51 PM |
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You can't see that using the feedback system... I could club 2-3 rigs that used to be 4 MH/s each using three rig numbers for a week, then decide to club them as one 12 MH rig using the first rig's number... and the feedback (and prices) of the first one week (of the 4MH rig) would be populated under the currrently operating 12MH rig. So no.... the superior intellect says that its very much plausable to see double, tripple or quadripple the going rate for a given rig.
Before the scammed contract at this time, I rented the same rig with the same hashrate with the fair price. And then when I submitted a form for a next contract, he, namely you, cheated me. |
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sonysasankan
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March 19, 2014, 06:18:08 PM |
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You can't see that using the feedback system... I could club 2-3 rigs that used to be 4 MH/s each using three rig numbers for a week, then decide to club them as one 12 MH rig using the first rig's number... and the feedback (and prices) of the first one week (of the 4MH rig) would be populated under the currrently operating 12MH rig. So no.... the superior intellect says that its very much plausable to see double, tripple or quadripple the going rate for a given rig.
Before the scammed contract at this time, I rented the same rig with the same hashrate with the fair price. And then when I submitted a form for a next contract, he, namely you, cheated me. Oh yeah, my alter ego "Invactus" is quite a handful you see... but hey, whatever gets you through the day! Do you even acknowledge that you have a part in this shit you're in? Like you DID blindly pay the asked amount right? Or is that completely oblivious to you? |
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BombaUcigasa
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March 19, 2014, 07:00:44 PM |
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So let me get this straight.... before you click on the confirmation button, its right there in bold how much the total payment is going to be right?
Yes. That doesn't excuse the practice in any way. Once you rent the rig you are required to pay. From a user's perspective, navigating from the list, to the individual rig and to the payment form should have the same consistent value proposal. If on the way this changes and the user does not notice, it still doesn't make it ethical or moral to do. Tricking people by the rules doesn't make you a thief, just an asshole. Buyer beware, this is why ratings mean everything and ripping off a single customer for a small gain can nullify all the previous work you had. Still on the topic, I saw some users renting rigs for 1 BTC/Mhash. I don't know if they used this trick against unaware newbies, or it was an inside arrangement, but seriously, some people would consider dumping their profitable account for a cool one-time bitcoin scam. |
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March 19, 2014, 07:26:47 PM |
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as a rig owner, sometimes I just put rental price higher after rig is rented to prevent next rental without having to go into rig options and selecting "rig not avaliable". I guess many users with multiple rigs do that too, hence the seemingly high prices of some rented rigs, but in reality all thsoe rigs are rented at normal prices.
It could be the ^desputed rig is a similar case, whereas rig owner didn't intent n having his rig rented at that moment. But he should at least then get in touch with renter and advise him to issue ticket. I had similar incident when I saw someone accidentally rent my rig. I issued a ticket and had renter refunded. I guess lack of communication from rig owner is an issue here.
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March 19, 2014, 08:20:48 PM
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Here, second time in a row that smoke686 (which also own 4 rigs, for example: link) rent and don't pay:  |
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b4x
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March 19, 2014, 09:08:11 PM |
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I paid BTC and now I have Payment not received - rental cancelled :/ I see txs on Blockchain :/
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March 19, 2014, 09:11:44 PM |
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Hi b4x! I think it was my rig you was renting. On my side, I was seeing the "Rented - Waiting payment...", and I had basically given up on having my rig locked again for 30-40 minutes for the 3rd time in a row. Instead, I saw it changed to "not rented" very soon, and reported as cancelled in the history.  Make me think there's really some issues on Betarigs part, then. And maybe the same happened with smoke686 too. |
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sonysasankan
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March 19, 2014, 09:14:06 PM |
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I paid BTC and now I have Payment not received - rental cancelled :/ I see txs on Blockchain :/
Open a ticket with the tx id mentioned... should be taken care of in the next round of payments. |
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b4x
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March 19, 2014, 09:19:11 PM |
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Opened. But I have a problem with the 23 transactions :/ - all canceled
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mux (OP)
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March 19, 2014, 09:39:46 PM |
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Opened. But I have a problem with the 23 transactions :/ - all canceled
We will then take care of refunding them. General announce: The time window to pay has now been reduced to 30 minutes.For people sending from exchanges/online wallet that sometimes, randomly, takes quite some time, I recommend you strongly Electrum -- instant sending of bitcoins! |
BETARIGS.COM - Leasing a rig is as simple as adding a pool!Bitrated user: Mux.
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Invactus_Betarig
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March 20, 2014, 05:57:22 AM |
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Hi everyone..how are you guys doing?  Get ready for some popcorns... OK...lets start.... Dear emmettoc, I give you 2 scenarios: Scenario 1:
I accidentally put my price at 0.0017BTC/Mhs/Day. In a split second Renter_A rent it.
What should I do?
Option A:
Begs Renter_A to pay extra to cover back the losses? and send him 20 messages saying "i put it wrongly...i lose money...blablabla"
I don't think he will entertain u.
Option B:
I decided to disconnect my rig from Renter_A and message him...
Me: sorry i put the price wrongly. So i won't rent it for u.
What will he do?
Renter_A: IF YOU WON'T RENT IT FOR ME. I WILL GIVE YOU BAD RATING, ASK REFUND, CALL U SCAMMER, CALL U THAT, I HAVE BIG CONNECTION IN BITCOINTALK....
and so on....until Option C
Option C:
I just sit in my room, try not to cry...and eventually cry a lot...from the mistake i have done...there is no turning back...my life is over...maybe i should die...no one needs me here...and blablabla...
Eventually i will choose Option C, it's my mistake, and i accept it. Scenario 2:
I decided to increase my price to a price that I'm comfortable with (which in this case 0.017BTC/MHs/day). I was like "f*ck it, the price is worst now, i won't rent it until someone pay for the price I set.".
And i set the price to 0.017...
Moments later, Renter_A rent my rigs. I was like "Ok..cool, someone rented my rig"
Again, moments later after 1 confirmation, Renter_A message me..
Renter_A:Hello, please cancel the order and refund as soon as possible. Then I'll change the review to 10/10 again. Thanks.
Then i was like, "what the hell?"
and it gives me to few options as well
Option A:
Ok I will refund Renter_A with the difference from current market price (which is 0.0067BTC/Mhs/day) or add 2 days more (because the price is tripled from market price what so ever)
Equivalent to renting him for cheap price which I did not agree in the first place.
Option B:
Disconnect my rigs and wait until renting session ends. He gets a refund from Betarig.
I lose the 24hour of renting opportunity for 0.017BTC/MHs/Day. Some crazy gay renter might love me so much and rent it for 3 days during that period. Who knows...
and left me option C
Option C:
It's the price I put, and I put it to 0.017,because my intention is to rent it at 0.017. If i put 100BTC or 1000BTC/MHs/day, then it is different story. If I can't do anything when I mistakenly put the price 10x cheaper due to my negligence of checking it, then why should I bare the consequence of others not checking the price 10x expensive before paying it?
So...i choose Option C. It's my right, and I will fight for it. I don't care about my reputation anymore. I know my right. Again.. Dear emmettoc, I will fight this till the end because I hate it when we owner make mistake of putting price (super extreme cheap price ie. 0.0017 instead of 0.017) and renter took advantage of it. Due to your negligence of not even checking the price before you made your payment, and now I have to bare the consequences. Sorry dude, I won't be soft on this and I consider this as a blackmail from you. Let this be a lesson to you and other renter and hope it won't happen again. And I will highlight again what sonysasankan said:
I have no idea who he is... but more importantly, does it matter? I am both a renter and an owner, and what bugs me is people like you transferring the consequence of your ignorance to the owners and demanding refund with threats of screwing with their ratings.
So let me get this straight.... before you click on the confirmation button, its right there in bold how much the total payment is going to be right? After that you go ahead and pay the said exact amount to the BTC address... use the service and then demand a refund because hey.... you ain't in the mood for accountability?
Why don't you go into a little more detail on why you are not the scammer here? If I was Invactus, I wouldn't bother to respond to you either. no surprise there!
Lastly, enjoy http://s28.postimg.org/a3ubtp04d/47438849.jpg |
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emmettoc
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March 20, 2014, 07:03:41 AM
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Hi, invactus, namely sonysasankan, how was your dinner purchased by scamming people? Stop making excuses for yourself. Why did you create a new account on this bitcointalk? Because you feel guilty! |
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Prominence
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March 20, 2014, 07:55:34 AM |
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Is there a way to solomine using a cloudminer? I really hate relying on pools at launch. If there's an easy way to create your own pool, let me know.
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tastyminer
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March 20, 2014, 08:28:53 AM |
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https://24.media.tumblr.com/4ca188f36742e6a5bb71e81505ef0eb7/tumblr_mi4qyrf6Ay1qzlfumo1_500.gif=D But in all seriousness, I definitely wouldn't consider this a scam. Think of it like going to a store that doesn't have a return policy. You expect to buy something for $10 and upon checkout it turns out that the sale is over and the item is actually $15. If you put you card in the terminal and enter your pin it is assumed that you're aware of how much you're paying and you agree to pay it. Now you could later go back to the store owner and say "I thought this was on sale, that's why I bought it. Can I have a refund?" and the store owner can give you a refund if they want but it is up to them. In a situation like this your best bet is to very politely explain that you made a mistake and if you could possibly have the difference refunded. A human approach will usually get you more understanding as we're all human and make mistakes, while fighting and demanding will usually get you nowhere in a situation where the owner technically did nothing wrong and has no obligation to refund you other than out of the goodness of their heart. TL:DR It sucks that you overpaid but this is not a scam in any way. If you rent a rig and don't check the price you're renting at you can still avoid the mistake by having a second chance to check before you send the money from your wallet to betarigs. If you miss both checks you can't go and blame the owner. Just try to reach out and politely explain your situation and hope the owner is in a good mood. That's my two satoshis...
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mux (OP)
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March 20, 2014, 08:39:31 AM |
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Main rig list page: Scrypt farms are now > 10Mh/s
To us, a farm would be at least starting at 4 well equiped rigs. As such, we have bumped the limit so that, in the main list, farms are now considered with an scrypt hashrate >= 10Mh/s.
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BETARIGS.COM - Leasing a rig is as simple as adding a pool!Bitrated user: Mux.
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emmettoc
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March 20, 2014, 08:51:47 AM |
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Just try to reach out and politely explain your situation and hope the owner is in a good mood.
Well another newbie... Unfortunately he is a planned raper, striking a defiant pose. |
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sonysasankan
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March 20, 2014, 09:11:02 AM |
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Hi, invactus, namely sonysasankan, how was your dinner purchased by scamming people? Stop making excuses for yourself. Why did you create a new account on this bitcointalk? Because you feel guilty! *Facepalm*.... Sigh... ok Sherlock.... you got me. But hey, if you need to add some sort of rationality in there somewhere, you could dig deeper and you will find me paying and rating my alter ego's rig after renting them (when there's already plenty of positive feedback before me). Coz you know... that's how I roll  |
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sonysasankan
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March 20, 2014, 09:23:34 AM |
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Main rig list page: Scrypt farms are now > 10Mh/s
To us, a farm would be at least starting at 4 well equiped rigs. As such, we have bumped the limit so that, in the main list, farms are now considered with an scrypt hashrate >= 10Mh/s.
Any chance of getting the 2-10 section divided into 2-5 and 5-10? The 2-10 is pretty much 80% of the rigs and runs into multiple pages with usually the bigger rigs (7MH/s+) listing beyond page 3. Its too broad a classification and kinda unfair if someone with 8MHs needs to rent at the rate of 2MHs so they appear in the first page. You could just not label them as "farms" maybe |
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