T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion

[BALIK]

If blacks are inferior in cricket, then how come the West Indies team dominated test cricket scene for many decades? The issue in South Africa and Zimbabwe is different. Cricket is being seen as a relic of colonial hangover, and blacks are not interested in this sport as much as the whites. This is the real reason why the cricket board came up with the quotas. Have you ever thought why they don't need quota for the South African football team?

Not disagreeing with your "Relic of colonial" reasoning but i feel i should add one more important point.

There is also privileged-non privileged narrative deeply ingrained in the South African society, which dominates literally every single argument as far as their cricketing quota system goes.

The quota system is absolutely a bogus system in any country in any sector of work. If a man has the quality then just given the job and if a man does not possess the quality needed tell him to try somewhere else. For me, the quota system is somewhat like nepotism in a legal way.  Because you are ultimately giving something to someone which they might not have gotten if this system was not there.

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[Haunebu]

The quota system is absolutely a bogus system in any country in any sector of work. If a man has the quality then just given the job and if a man does not possess the quality needed tell him to try somewhere else. For me, the quota system is somewhat like nepotism in a legal way.  Because you are ultimately giving something to someone which they might not have gotten if this system was not there.

I partially agree with your analysis of the quota system. I feel that it does take away opportunities from capable individuals and shifts them to less capable people which makes it seem like a completely unfair system.

However, this isn't exactly true. It actually helps provide opportunities to people of certain backgrounds who most probably would never acquire them without this system. An optimal balance between these two would be perfect.

[galambo]

From where did you come our with the synopsis that only Whites can play cricket? There are legends in cricket who are black and if that was the case then these legends would not have existed. Anyone who has skills can be trained from an early age can play any kind of sports. There are so many examples out there you need to just see them.

Yes there are living examples of that. The first black in RSA team was Makhaya Ntini. He proved to be one of greatest RSA fast bowler till date. If you are referring to RSA then whites dominate there since they have better cricketing facilities there compared to black people. Apart from cricket, in football teams of EU blacks are in abundance.

[JohnBitCo]

I really think that the cricket board selectors should do a better job and I say that to almost all the cricket boards and especially those who are not doing their job right. And this hurts me to say but the West Indies team could have been a lot better if they did not face certain problems from their own cricket board. We can see this problem happening in also cricket boards like Zimbabwe and South Africa and also in recent times with the Bangladesh cricket board.

West Indian biggest issue is they are grouped of seven independent countries and all countries are having their own quota which is concern and sadly no one country able to have separate cricket board and his own team, so this is main dead point for them, and they are losing some very good and talented players and now sinking down day by day from all three formats surely in near future they will be able to have just good matches against teams like Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and Ireland because Afghanistan is also going to be very good team in next few years, and they will be not able to compete with them.

And Issues in Zimbabwe and South Africa are completely different from here because here mostly white guys are better in quality and blacks still struggling to adopt this all with some good love for soccer and rugby.

I really don't know about White guys being better in cricket and black guys being better in football and rugby. Certainly not when I see Makhaya Ntini and Ronwen Williams. So I think that the black guy white guy thing is not totally right. But they do have some problems surrounding this issue. And West Indies also might not seem to be in these problems but I don't think they are completely out of it altogether.

We are near the end of 2021 and still some people are discriminating between white and black players 
The color, region and religion does not matter and the only thing which matter is the performance of the players. Although i do think that black players do not have much facilities like the white people to excel in cricket and other sports.

[pakhitheboss]

I really think that the cricket board selectors should do a better job and I say that to almost all the cricket boards and especially those who are not doing their job right. And this hurts me to say but the West Indies team could have been a lot better if they did not face certain problems from their own cricket board. We can see this problem happening in also cricket boards like Zimbabwe and South Africa and also in recent times with the Bangladesh cricket board.

West Indian biggest issue is they are grouped of seven independent countries and all countries are having their own quota which is concern and sadly no one country able to have separate cricket board and his own team, so this is main dead point for them, and they are losing some very good and talented players and now sinking down day by day from all three formats surely in near future they will be able to have just good matches against teams like Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and Ireland because Afghanistan is also going to be very good team in next few years, and they will be not able to compete with them.

And Issues in Zimbabwe and South Africa are completely different from here because here mostly white guys are better in quality and blacks still struggling to adopt this all with some good love for soccer and rugby.

I really don't know about White guys being better in cricket and black guys being better in football and rugby. Certainly not when I see Makhaya Ntini and Ronwen Williams. So I think that the black guy white guy thing is not totally right. But they do have some problems surrounding this issue. And West Indies also might not seem to be in these problems but I don't think they are completely out of it altogether.

We are near the end of 2021 and still some people are discriminating between white and black players 
The color, region and religion does not matter and the only thing which matter is the performance of the players. Although i do think that black players do not have much facilities like the white people to excel in cricket and other sports.

I do not think facilities should be the reason for this divide. It basically is an infrastructure issue that the SA cricket board should work out. In many south Asian countries, players still do not get the required facilities but they still make a difference. Again this is a problem with the board and its corruption. The board should ensure every race should be given the right infrastructure for training.

[galambo]

West Indian biggest issue is they are grouped of seven independent countries and all countries are having their own quota which is concern and sadly no one country able to have separate cricket board and his own team, so this is main dead point for them, and they are losing some very good and talented players and now sinking down day by day from all three formats surely in near future they will be able to have just good matches against teams like Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and Ireland because Afghanistan is also going to be very good team in next few years, and they will be not able to compete with them.

But with same structure West Indies have produced legendary cricketers and have ruled the cricket world for decades. Don't forget even with current circumstances they were able to win T20 WC in 2016. Every team has it own winter and summer, right now WI are in there winter stage but it wont last forever.

And Issues in Zimbabwe and South Africa are completely different from here because here mostly white guys are better in quality and blacks still struggling to adopt this all with some good love for soccer and rugby.

In SA the main issue was racism and political, whites were given priority over blacks nothing else. Now with change in govt, SA boards have adopted policy of giving priority to blacks.

[mm2543363580]

I do not think facilities should be the reason for this divide. It basically is an infrastructure issue that the SA cricket board should work out. In many south Asian countries, players still do not get the required facilities but they still make a difference. Again this is a problem with the board and its corruption. The board should ensure every race should be given the right infrastructure for training.

As far as decision of SA board is concerned about must including black players in the squad I fully support that decision. Majority of people in SA are black but when it comes to there national team we hardly see any black player there. I remember in 1996 and 1999 WC there was no black player seen in the team, which is a concern for a country where majority of people are black.

[jostorres]

As far as decision of SA board is concerned about must including black players in the squad I fully support that decision. Majority of people in SA are black but when it comes to there national team we hardly see any black player there. I remember in 1996 and 1999 WC there was no black player seen in the team, which is a concern for a country where majority of people are black.

Here on this point I am not agreed because now we have 30 years of South African re-admission into cricket, so it's very long time they have some good funds and these can use for some better quality of black players could be more helpful instead of giving them quota which is never been good idea for any place or play. South African black community some better facilities and training to compete into this new era of technology and strong sports ability, and they completely fail to do this just because of corrupt system and having quota system which is killing their cricket.
 
They have few black bowlers those done very good job and this can increase just need some good intention as they need to start this from grass routs or school level cricket is surly very helpful for them.

[Sithara007]

As far as decision of SA board is concerned about must including black players in the squad I fully support that decision. Majority of people in SA are black but when it comes to there national team we hardly see any black player there. I remember in 1996 and 1999 WC there was no black player seen in the team, which is a concern for a country where majority of people are black.

No one is intentionally excluding the black players. The simple truth is that there is hardly any interest among the blacks for cricket. And this is the same case in countries like Namibia, Zimbabwe and Kenya as well. Cricket is mostly played by the non-black minority in these countries. Now you can't just simply fill the team with sub-quality players in the name of proportional representation, because that will reduce the quality. Look at the batting average of Temba Bavuma, and you will understand what I am saying.

[og kush420]

No one is intentionally excluding the black players. The simple truth is that there is hardly any interest among the blacks for cricket. And this is the same case in countries like Namibia, Zimbabwe and Kenya as well. Cricket is mostly played by the non-black minority in these countries. Now you can't just simply fill the team with sub-quality players in the name of proportional representation, because that will reduce the quality. Look at the batting average of Temba Bavuma, and you will understand what I am saying.

It look suspicious when you have a country of black people and your cricket team is completely white. We have to admit case of SA is more about racism then of interest. Also white areas in SA are more developed then black people. So it's obvious that white people have good cricket skills.

[Sithara007]

It look suspicious when you have a country of black people and your cricket team is completely white. We have to admit case of SA is more about racism then of interest. Also white areas in SA are more developed then black people. So it's obvious that white people have good cricket skills.

You are ignorant about the history of South Africa. The "white" people arrived in South Africa around 500 years ago, and at that time the region was inhabited by the yellow-skinned San people. The blacks (Bantu) immigrated to South Africa starting from the 17th century. So you can't say that South Africa is a country of "black" people. Black people may be a majority, but that doesn't mean that they need to fill a majority of their players from that race. If there is racism in South Africa nowadays, it is mostly committed by the black people, against the non-black minority. 

[og kush420]

You are ignorant about the history of South Africa. The "white" people arrived in South Africa around 500 years ago, and at that time the region was inhabited by the yellow-skinned San people. The blacks (Bantu) immigrated to South Africa starting from the 17th century. So you can't say that South Africa is a country of "black" people. Black people may be a majority, but that doesn't mean that they need to fill a majority of their players from that race. If there is racism in South Africa nowadays, it is mostly committed by the black people, against the non-black minority. 

When they arrive 500 years ago in SA who was the native at that time there ? We all know history of how white people occupied other people territories for there own gains just like they did in South Asia. Let South Africa board do what other boards are doing for there countries.

[Davidvictorson]

No one is intentionally excluding the black players. The simple truth is that there is hardly any interest among the blacks for cricket. And this is the same case in countries like Namibia, Zimbabwe and Kenya as well. Cricket is mostly played by the non-black minority in these countries. Now you can't just simply fill the team with sub-quality players in the name of proportional representation, because that will reduce the quality. Look at the batting average of Temba Bavuma, and you will understand what I am saying.

It look suspicious when you have a country of black people and your cricket team is completely white. We have to admit case of SA is more about racism then of interest. Also white areas in SA are more developed then black people. So it's obvious that white people have good cricket skills.

Read up on  Basil De Olviera and Khaya Majola. In the past, Cricket was always played in communities(non white) South -Africa but because of colonialism and Apartheid non white players were never selected to even play first class cricket. During the Apartheid years it was illegal for people of different races to even play with each other. Hence why India, Pakistan and the West Indies were never invited to play in South Africa until the 90's. Basil De Oliveira was a coloured South African man who was forced to move to England due to racial discrmination. When he was selected to play for the English team against South Africa the Apartheid government cancelled the tour rather than have a multi racial team play in South Africa.

[Theones]

You are ignorant about the history of South Africa. The "white" people arrived in South Africa around 500 years ago, and at that time the region was inhabited by the yellow-skinned San people. The blacks (Bantu) immigrated to South Africa starting from the 17th century. So you can't say that South Africa is a country of "black" people. Black people may be a majority, but that doesn't mean that they need to fill a majority of their players from that race. If there is racism in South Africa nowadays, it is mostly committed by the black people, against the non-black minority. 

Read up on  Basil De Olviera and Khaya Majola. In the past, Cricket was always played in communities(non white) South -Africa but because of colonialism and Apartheid non white players were never selected to even play first class cricket. During the Apartheid years it was illegal for people of different races to even play with each other. Hence why India, Pakistan and the West Indies were never invited to play in South Africa until the 90's. Basil De Oliveira was a coloured South African man who was forced to move to England due to racial discrmination. When he was selected to play for the English team against South Africa the Apartheid government cancelled the tour rather than have a multi racial team play in South Africa.

You both are doing excellent work by writing text from history but both of you have contradictory views in this matter. I cant figure out which one of you is ture and which one is not. The case of this region is complicated, remember Neil Johnson that was raised in SA but not given chance to play in there team. He was the main player that helped Zim beat the then favorite SA.

[barbara44]

When they arrive 500 years ago in SA who was the native at that time there ? We all know history of how white people occupied other people territories for there own gains just like they did in South Asia. Let South Africa board do what other boards are doing for there countries.

Cricket South Africa was in good position to handle things fairly and bring black peoples into streamline, but sadly they fail to do this and now paying for this with quality is going down badly because of quota system which is bringing players those are not eligible for having spot into team but just because of quota they are entering and giving nothing. Cricket South Africa still can handle things in good way, just start some domestic challenges which helps all communities and then players join teams by their performance instead of color base.
 
Recently we have some news about corruption and political interference into CSA which is also hurting this all badly, if they fail to handle these things then surely they are going more down badly.

[Vaskiy]

As far as decision of SA board is concerned about must including black players in the squad I fully support that decision. Majority of people in SA are black but when it comes to there national team we hardly see any black player there. I remember in 1996 and 1999 WC there was no black player seen in the team, which is a concern for a country where majority of people are black.

No one is intentionally excluding the black players. The simple truth is that there is hardly any interest among the blacks for cricket. And this is the same case in countries like Namibia, Zimbabwe and Kenya as well. Cricket is mostly played by the non-black minority in these countries. Now you can't just simply fill the team with sub-quality players in the name of proportional representation, because that will reduce the quality. Look at the batting average of Temba Bavuma, and you will understand what I am saying.

This isn't fair. We can't come to a statement that black people aren't willing to play cricket and it is much preferred by non-black. Below is the details of Temba Bavuma. What is more required from a player beyond this. Have a good average in my view.

[eaLiTy]

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Read up on  Basil De Olviera and Khaya Majola. In the past, Cricket was always played in communities(non white) South -Africa but because of colonialism and Apartheid non white players were never selected to even play first class cricket..

The fact remains that Cricket is an English game and if not for colonization none of the countries that are playing Cricket right now will be playing because the English took the game of Cricket to every colony they controlled.

During the Apartheid years it was illegal for people of different races to even play with each other. Hence why India, Pakistan and the West Indies were never invited to play in South Africa until the 90's. Basil De Oliveira was a coloured South African man who was forced to move to England due to racial discrmination. When he was selected to play for the English team against South Africa the Apartheid government cancelled the tour rather than have a multi racial team play in South Africa

The reason why Asian countries did not tour South Africa till the 90s is because, South Africa was banned by the ICC in 1970 because of the government policy that they will only play against white race and they got reinstated to Cricket only in the 90s and if you do not have a team there is no tour basically  .

[teosanru]

As far as decision of SA board is concerned about must including black players in the squad I fully support that decision. Majority of people in SA are black but when it comes to there national team we hardly see any black player there. I remember in 1996 and 1999 WC there was no black player seen in the team, which is a concern for a country where majority of people are black.

No one is intentionally excluding the black players. The simple truth is that there is hardly any interest among the blacks for cricket. And this is the same case in countries like Namibia, Zimbabwe and Kenya as well. Cricket is mostly played by the non-black minority in these countries. Now you can't just simply fill the team with sub-quality players in the name of proportional representation, because that will reduce the quality. Look at the batting average of Temba Bavuma, and you will understand what I am saying.

Can't agree with you that there is not much enthusiasm among the black people to play cricket as I am not at all aware of the stats around this statement, but one thing I can tell you for sure is that these schemes like proportional representation and other sorts of politics will definitely spoil the game of cricket and also the team which tries to do such things. Its absolutely okay to have cricket academies where you train people, while training itself focus on the coloured people and blacks, you can even give them reservations in admission to these academies, but having such a rule in the international team is absolutely foolish for sure.

[Sithara007]

No one is intentionally excluding the black players. The simple truth is that there is hardly any interest among the blacks for cricket. And this is the same case in countries like Namibia, Zimbabwe and Kenya as well. Cricket is mostly played by the non-black minority in these countries. Now you can't just simply fill the team with sub-quality players in the name of proportional representation, because that will reduce the quality. Look at the batting average of Temba Bavuma, and you will understand what I am saying.

This isn't fair. We can't come to a statement that black people aren't willing to play cricket and it is much preferred by non-black. Below is the details of Temba Bavuma. What is more required from a player beyond this. Have a good average in my view.

I was mentioning about his test average. He hasn't played enough ODI matches against quality teams, to judge him on that format. I don't know whether a batting average of 32 is enough to make the cut in any other test team. The most ironic fact is that those guys averaging in their 40s and 50s were dropped in order to make room for Bavuma. In the pace bowling department, the black players are at the same level with the whites. But when it comes to batting, the black players are irrelevant, unless the selectors decide to go for quota rather than talent.

[galambo]

This isn't fair. We can't come to a statement that black people aren't willing to play cricket and it is much preferred by non-black. Below is the details of Temba Bavuma. What is more required from a player beyond this. Have a good average in my view.

Fair enough. Not to forget he is under pressure too for being first black captain. SA cricket board has to change the things (of white dominance) from some point and that's the point right now. Now black players will be confident that they will find place in national side, there interest will automatically develop.