Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[myshownow]

he might do a substandard economical analysis. but his political one is rather sound.

there isn't any political analysis, just a failled economic analysis and wishful thinking. And it's the kind of wall of text that only hate can do...

LOL, is it a coincidence that your English seems coherent when you try the usual propagandist trick of pretending to act wiser to discredit an otherwise perfectly effective argument? You only babble incoherently when you are trapped by your desperate delusions? You have been expelling so many dumb crap here I thought you were just a case of attention deficit syndrome so I thought it was better not to stoop down to your level. Apparently, you are a far more sinister entity altogether. Oh, I know, there are many sleeper moles planted in forums, especially in finance-related ones like this one . THey should plant those with a passable IQ at least.

[Nemo1024]

The war is being shifter closer to Russian territory:

Several shells exploded on Russian territory, near border control point Novoshahtijsk. 2 buildings were damaged:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404371346


Russian battalions are setting up firing positions 300 meters from the border to defend Russia from a looming invasion:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404346620


The workers of the Russian border control point Gukovo are evacuated due to the approaching battles:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404376076


In the meantime West-Ukrainian fascists are actively conducting a scorched earth operation, destroying the industry of Donbass. 8 rockets hit a factory in Lisichansk:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404346620


And Poroshenko prepares to enter the next stage of the punitive operation, and changes the heads in the military block:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404366882


The fascists continue to suffer losses despite air superiority:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404347420


More people join the resistance as the invasion of theirMotherland intensifies:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404347420


Igor Strelkov warns about a coming wave of several hundreds of thousand refugees as more residential areas suffer heavy bombardment. There are reports of wounded among the freedom fighters. Two volunteers from Moscow who just arrived are reported dead.
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404344518


UPDATE:

Eyewitnesses report artillery shelling of Lugansk center:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1295530?utm_medium=rss20


Aukrainian authorities and head of punitive battalion Azov try to shift blame for aerial strike against Kondrashovka, saing that it might have been a mistake from the pilot, but there was also "someone else" shooting at the village:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1295448?utm_medium=rss20


The resistance blew up a bridge near Slavjansk to stop the advancing Ukrainian armoured column, consisting of 4 tanks and 16 APC, in addition to support vehicles:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/07/03/bridge1/
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404379851


The freedom fighter division in Nikolaevka is sufficient to repel the attack, so the town will not be surrendered:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404381718


Freedom fighters created a corridor for the refugee children from Novorossia:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404381235


65000 officially registered refugees are now in Russia, including 20000 children. 16500 people are located in temporary camps:
http://www.bfm.ru/news/263814


‘Thanks, Ukraine Air Force’: Bombarded villagers accuse Kiev of killing civilians
http://rt.com/news/170104-ukraine-lugansk-shelling-airstrike/

The village of Kondrashovka in eastern Ukraine lies devastated after shelling by Kiev troops which killed seven people. Bodies torn to pieces are strewn across the settlement and those who survived are asking: why did Kiev kill their families?

...

“They killed my mother, and my father is injured. I took him to hospital,” Aleksandr Mironenko told RT’s Marina Finoshina, one of the few journalists to report from the scene.

People are in shock.

Just next door, Kondrashovka residents are telling a tragic story of their friend, who lost his 5-year-old son.

“He celebrated his son’s fifth birthday yesterday, and today, the boy's leg was cut off – I don’t know if he's alive or not,” said Sergey, a neighbor.

“No, no, he died, said another man.

“He died? Yes. Then he died,” adds Sergey.

[hologram]

LOL, is it a coincidence that your English seems coherent when you try the usual propagandist trick of pretending to act wiser to discredit an otherwise perfectly effective argument? You only babble incoherently when you are trapped by your desperate delusions? You have been expelling so many dumb crap here I thought you were just a case of attention deficit syndrome so I thought it was better not to stoop down to your level. Apparently, you are a far more sinister entity altogether. Oh, I know, there are many sleeper moles planted in forums, especially in finance-related ones like this one . THey should plant those with a passable IQ at least.

Oh, maybe i do something else in my day than read this thread and i have not the patience to write in my best english   And this economic analysis is just false, USA is not first cause of dollar but cause it's one of the most competitive economy. But i can't expect a socialist understand economy  

[myshownow]

It's amazing I seem to have already smoked out two sleeper moles here...

Not surprising though. This is the prime bitcoin forum & I'm sure dark forces won't leave it to chance, they just had to have a way to shape the discussion (The Human NSA). They were here from the get go that's why they are now senior members. Actually it's easy to spot them: they posture as know-it-all arbiters, shamelessly annotating the flow of info from other members to blunt off any of the propaganda going the other way. But its easy to see through them: while they posture as smart, they come out as smart-aleck. In other words, they can't fake being fake and dumb.

The first one was supposed to be Romanian who was acting as if he's a higher class than everybody else, a revolting apparition because no intelligent person would be duped by anybody pretending  to be classy if he came from a poor, backward & ugly place called Romania. When I twitted him, he actually toned down his high-falluting act & became scarce but suddenly, another character emerged as if on cue, this time he was supposed to be French   &  this comedian promptly took over with the "know-it-all arbiter" act (no longer from the Eastern European poodle countries, a puppetmaster must have thought a French wannabe with contrived bad English & incoherent logic formation will be more credible than a disgusting Romanian social climber) .

Note that in all the forums, that is the usual script of these clowns- be the arbiter to control the flow of info & discredit the other side. Fortunately, the above two were incompetent & disgusting. The "French" actually came out as a mental hobo. He used his contrived awkward English to muddle the fact he doesnt understand what he's saying, hoping that by merely labelling anybody as stupid or socialist will get him by.

Lol, Two down, I wonder who will be  the third one to be sent to take over the baton. The dark forces should send somebody more interesting, just for the entertainment value. As it is, all the mainstream propaganda mafia is tottering into bankruptcy & after the lie of the weapon of mass destruction in Iraq & the lie of the poison gas in Syria, nobody is really buying Western propaganda anymore. It will collapse sooner if the sleeper moles in the forums are  clowns. Lol

[hologram]

Is funny to see how Russian are pathologic paranoiac  

I'm senior member cause i follow the bitcoin project from a long time ago. Like many here i'm a free marketer and i think bitcoin will help a lot to fight government interventionism in economy and oppressive financial right denial backed by the socialist ideology.

The main difference between us is that i'm not a big fan of my government and i recognize it often do stupid bad thing. But the few time my government do something good (like oppose to the horrible USSR) i recognize too. You are not like that, you are a caricature of the socialist government sucker who thing he is governed by a "genius"... Wake up guy there is just Russian that still think government are infallible superhuman guided by people interest, even Chinese don't trust it anymore  

You can hate the west as much as you want it won't change we are the richest part of the world and we don't want your corrupt system. I hope soon people will understand Keynesian economics don't work so we will use bitcoin and print worthless money to pay the debt to the stupid people that trusted our government. We can experience some hard economic crisis we still far away from you and all economic crisis we have you feel it too cause without gas and oil money from us you are a third world country .

game over socialist losers  

[Nemo1024]

Now back to topic.

Recent Ukraine human rights violations released in 'White Book' report
http://rt.com/politics/170148-russia-ukraine-white-book/

The white book can be downloaded here both in English and in Russian:
http://www.mid.ru/bdomp/ns-dgpch.nsf/03c344d01162d351442579510044415b/38fa8597760acc2144257ccf002beeb8!OpenDocument


News from the fronts:

There is heavy fighting near Nikolaevsk. Motorola (on of the commanders) is alive and continues to lead the battle while surrounded:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404390057


Several 5-storie buildings are destroyed in Nikolaevka with Smerch (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D1%EC%E5%F0%F7_%28%D0%D1%C7%CE%29) heavy artillery fire:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404384181




Anti-war sentiment is growing in Ukraine:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404395166


Several young men, who are identified as Maidan ringleaders are entering the Russian territory in Kaliningrad over Polish border. They claim to be refugees, yet cannot give any reasonable account of their movements. Local politicians and law enforcement are concerned:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404387029

[247crypto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j-kB4bNuKs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzqtFJZTW6I

[247crypto]

Fagot on Kiev Tank.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH_Bd1qmrxg

[bryant.coleman]

Heavy fighting between the Lugansk People's Army and Ukrainian Army near the outskirts of Lugansk city. If Lugansk falls, then it will be a fatal blow for the rebels. Meanwhile a cancer hospital and a school were destroyed yesterday in Ukrainian shelling.

[Nemo1024]

Today's chronicles from the fronts and beyond:

Poroshenko's private TV center is evacuated after a bomb threat was called in:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404458217


There was a protest march conducted in Athens against the punitive operations in Donbass:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404457161


Ukrainian reserves vote with their feet - the results of partial mobilisation are not to the new regimes liking. Those results are reposted from the regions, while Kiev keeps silence:
http://rusvesna.su/tmp/692191596

[deisik]

Heavy fighting between the Lugansk People's Army and Ukrainian Army near the outskirts of Lugansk city. If Lugansk falls, then it will be a fatal blow for the rebels. Meanwhile a cancer hospital and a school were destroyed yesterday in Ukrainian shelling.

Lugansk (or any other major city, for that matter) can fall only if the rebels lose the will to win...

[Paya]

If Lugansk falls, then it will be a fatal blow for the rebels.

After speaking with one of my countrymen who went to eastern Ukraine as (humanitarian) volunteer, I understand that it's not like a real war there, with frontlines and stuff. Situation is extremely fluid... chaotic if you like. Basically both rebels and government forces are moving more or less freely, stalking and occasionaly fighting each other. Both sides are holding a number of strongpoints scattered all around but it's not really possible to tell that anyone has a clear control over the territory because those strongpoints aren't connected very well. Roads are dangerous - especially at night. Maps we're seeing are (according to my friend) pointless because whole East belongs to everyone and no one at the same time: armed rebel groups can be found deep in the areas allegedly under Kiev's control while in the same time Ukrainian troops are marching through rebel zones.

So in the case of Lugansk, it's probably be like with Kramatorsk which has "fallen" for several times already only to slide back into the rebel hands afterwards. Perhaps Ukrainian troops will be able to enter Lugansk downtown, then cluelessly drive around for a few days while facing angry locals, and finally go out or barricade themselves into some of the local bases. Rebels return. Rinse and repeat.

Of course, Kiev has means to establish AND keep full control but this requires heavy military presence pretty much everywhere on the East in long term, which requires a lot of troops and certainly isn't cheap.

[Nemo1024]

Thank you for the update, Paya. The situation your friend describes resembles very much what happened during the foreign intervention and the civil war between 1917 and 1920. Then Polish units managed to penetrate as fas as outskirts of Moscow. And no single army or military group had definitive control, until the Poles were pushed back to Warsaw, while Petljura bands (the "Bandera" of that time) were finally rounded up.

About the roads being dangerous, it's not only during the night:

The road to Izvarino has become a car cemetery as the Kiev regime snipers shoot at passing drivers:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404424082


A minethrower battery of the resistance managed to destroy an artillery point of the enemy near Metallist:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404429009


A Serbian journalist's article on strong pattern similarities on how US destroyed his homeland, and how it destroys Ukraine, while setting its sights on Russia.
The article is titled: The Second Great Fatherland War has already begun
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404429870


Genocide of the population. The enemy infantry exterminates surviving residents of the villages that were razed to the ground by artillery:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404456953


Wounded Kiev soldiers, who end up in hospitals, get diagnosed with "household wounds" which does not entitle them to any compensation, and moreover may put them in jail for skivvying off from killing people.
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404429009


In Odesaa partisans blew up local local military conscription office:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404461945


Power plant in Slavjansk is in flames - the city is completely without electricity. Heavy shelling continues:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404418040
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404419364


Strelkov: Slavjansk may fall in a week. Ukrainian nazis genocide civilians:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404467072


Partisans started activity in Nikolaev - explosions on the territory of the local nazi cell:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404472283


Ukrainian Ministry of defence prepares to introduce martial law:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404468646


Freedom fighters attacked Ukrainian positions in donetsk airport:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404470637


A bit of fun: Klichko asked not to conduct gayparades until the military operation id over:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404472335


Resistance Nona's strike at a Ukrainian armoured column:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404465100


NATO arming Ukraine with Soviet weapons – Deputy PM Rogozin
http://rt.com/news/170388-rogozin-ukraine-arms-europe/

NATO’s newest Eastern European members are handing over their Soviet arms stockpiles to the Ukrainian army, Russia’s Deputy PM Dmitry Rogozin says, adding that the alliance is in danger of pouring gasoline on the flames of that country’s civil war.

Freedom fighters of Slavjansk said farewell to their relatives and await the final assault by the enemy, who prepares to remove the city from the surface of the earth.
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404475517


A volunteer from Odessa reports that half of the wheel-chair bound group of invalids who were previously evacuated from Slavjansk and kramatorsk were killed in artillery shelling of village Jasonovitaja (Donetsk region) - a shell hit a house where the invalids were located:
http://rusvesna.su/tmp/270949787


The center of Lugansk is being shelled again:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404477690
Objects destroyed by Ukrainians so far: Oncology clinic, school #7.


Heavy fighting in the direction of Iljichesk-Zkotnoe:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404478178


Ukrainians threaten to shoot Russian helicopters if they spot any. (By this logic, Russia should fire artillery rounds against Ukrainian artillery positions for each shell that strikes Russian land):
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404476703

[Balthazar]

[247crypto]

http://www.forbes.ru/sobytiya/obshchestvo/261853-v-gostyakh-u-besa-reportazh-iz-myatezhnoi-gorlovki

[Morbid]

You can hate the west as much as you want it won't change we are the richest part of the world and we don't want your corrupt system. I hope soon people will understand Keynesian economics don't work so we will use bitcoin and print worthless money to pay the debt to the stupid people that trusted our government. We can experience some hard economic crisis we still far away from you and all economic crisis we have you feel it too cause without gas and oil money from us you are a third world country .

game over socialist losers  

you see, it depends what you consider to be wealth. if in terms of credit and financial stability its merely due to the fact that the west have been running this debt ponzi scheme the longest, therefore have the upper hand no matter how much the developing countries try to catch up. if we define "rich" as in terms of furtile land, natural resources, ecology, access to fresh water, non gmo agricultural infrostructure; then i would suggest that europe is particulary poor within most of those areas.

[247crypto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAZjeLfJSLw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28hyU1IzkUw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0UkhtF9WnI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNuvGP7q3kc

[hologram]

1.you see, it depends what you consider to be wealth.
2.if in terms of credit and financial stability its merely due to the fact that the west have been running this debt ponzi scheme the longest, therefore have the upper hand no matter how much the developing countries try to catch up.
3.if we define "rich" as in terms of furtile land, natural resources, ecology, access to fresh water, non gmo agricultural infrostructure; then i would suggest that europe is particulary poor within most of those areas.

1.Sure, if you consider wealth as the banana production Uganda is a rich country  It's a socialist bias to torture words...
2.If west can have debt is because it's the most competitive part of the world, but you don't understand the importance of competitiveness in economy.
3.We still the richest by this criteria, it's china that become poor.

You seem not understand that wealth is the quantity of useful capital (not wind turbine or railway...) accumulated and wealth production is the sum of added value produced by the economy. It's not a question of monetary system, if tomorrow dollar collapse and we use bitcoin the capital and wealth production of every country stay the same, it's just the unity that change.

[Morbid]

hologram. sorry i cant reason with you any further.

[hologram]

hologram. sorry i cant reason with you any further.

What do you do in bitcoin if you don't understand free market economy ?