Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[Rassah]

By the way, you guys are cheering on the progress of the rebels, and apparently think that this issue can be fully resolved just by rebels pushing off Ukrainian military, taking over cities, and holding their territory at a new border. As if by succeeding in this, they will win and the fight will be over. Don't fool yourselves. There are a lot of people living in those areas, especially cities, who do not support Russia, and do not want to join it (you are also probably fooling yourselves if you think Russia will allow Novorussia to exist as an independent country). Many Ukrainians who live in the cities, that these rebels are forcefully taking over, have sworn to fight off Russian invaders by any means necessary, including using guerilla warfare. Russia will likely have a similar result from their invasion of Ukraine that USA had after invading Iraq: very prolonged fighting from insurgency, with a lot of lives and wealth wasted from an enemy that you dpcan not even recognize or know is even there. There was one chance for this to resolve peacefully: allow Eastern Ukraine to actually vote on whether they want to be a part of Ukraine, or how autonomous they want to be. Sadly Russia completely ruined that chance by making up lies that the government in Kiev is Fascist, that they wanted to ban Russian language and make Russians second class citizens, and other such bullshit, until some of the more crazy, violent, and gullible people in Eastern Ukraine (like you guys) decided to take up arms and break away by force, by taking over buildings, shooting civilians and government officials, and starting a civil war. You guys obviously don't remember, demonstrably having no long term memory at all, but this civil war started out as just a bunch of armed hooligans going around shooting people and taking over buildings. Nothing more. It wasn't until soviet troops and weapons entered the country that this turned into a full on war with civilian casualties.

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[bryant.coleman]

I think what makes me most sick of all about you assholes is that these troops, both Russian and Ukrainian, are conscript soldiers, probably only around 20 years old, who are being forced to go and fight whether they want to or not.

Don't start crying like a baby when your side starts getting whacked. When thousands of innocent civilians (including many children) died as a result of these same "conscripts" shelling the residential areas of Donetsk and Lugansk, you were having no problems. Even if they are forcibly recruited, they have the option of defecting to the other side. So stop complaining and act like a mature person.

But you are now at a point where you see Ukrainians as not even human (very obvious by your derogatory comments targeting Ukrainians as a whole, not just the government), and grimace at the senseless deaths as if it's great or to be celebrated.

Lol... this is very funny. From the very start, I am pointing out in my posts that both the Ukrainians and Russians are part of the same Slavic nation and it is the NATO which is trying to divide them.

Now, take a look at the twitter accounts of your pro-Kiev friends. 90% of the accounts are full of obscenities against the ethnic Russians, calling them subhumans and similar stuff. Show me a single Russian account which is using similar language.

[Rassah]

When thousands of innocent civilians (including many children) died as a result of these same "conscripts" shelling the residential areas of Donetsk and Lugansk, you were having no problems.

I was having plenty of problems about that! I was just convinced that much of that shelling was done by the separatists, not Ukrainian military. The first round of GRAD rockets fired in this war was by the separatists against Ukrainian army. You guys posted a lot of videos of separatists firing mortar shells, which are not at all accurate. If Ukraine is shelling residential areas, they are likely abandoned and taken over by these separatists. The videos you guys yourselves posted, of areas after shelling, show the city completely empty. And it's a well proven tactic of Russia to do something, and then blame the other side of doing it.

Even if they are forcibly recruited, they have the option of defecting to the other side.

You know that defecting to the other side is not an option, because Russia doesn't have a justice system. Their only option is to quit and disappear, which, as you yourselves reported, many did.

Lol... this is very funny. From the very start, I am pointing out in my posts that both the Ukrainians and Russians are part of the same Slavic nation

THEY ARE NOT THE SAME GODAMN NATION! Do you claim that Spain and Italy are the same Latin nation? Of course not. This is why there has always been conflict between Russia and Ukraine: Russia thinks Ukraine is the same Slavic nation, and wants to take control over it, and Ukraine always viewed itself as a nation separate from Russia, and always fought Russia to defend itself.

Why aren't you saying that Ukraine and Novorussia are part of the same Slavic nation, and should all be one, instead of fighting for independence? Why is your cognitive dissonance so broken that you can't see Ukraine fighting for independence from Russia as being the exact same thing as Novorossia fighting for independence from Ukraine?

[myshownow]

FLASH!!!! FLASH!!!!!!!





Novorussians have retaken Donetsk airport...!!!



Remember, it was in the Donetsk Airport where the criminal Ukrainian Army first used fighter jets to murder the then ragtag rebels..



Now, it's a different story. Bravo, Novorussia!!!

[myshownow]

 Mariupol - Zaporozhye (Berdyansk) road closed off by NAF. (Zaporozhye is another oblast next to the Donetsk Republic. It also formed its own Republic)

Virtually all settlements around Mariupol appear to be taken by NAF. Mariupol Cauldron closed off.

 Fighting has crossed the border into Zaporozhye. Saboteur-Reconnaissance Groups (SRG) and guerrillas active inside Zaporozhye’s borders


They are definitely in Zaporozhye   (there, I finally got that right, I've been writing it as "Zaporizhia" before)

[Paya]

By the way, you guys are cheering on the progress of the rebels, and apparently think that this issue can be fully resolved just by rebels pushing off Ukrainian military, taking over cities, and holding their territory at a new border. As if by succeeding in this, they will win and the fight will be over. Don't fool yourselves. There are a lot of people living in those areas, especially cities, who do not support Russia, and do not want to join it.

You're right, no question about it. That's why I am not commenting some rather euphoric posts mentioning march on Kharkov, Odessa... even Kiev. It's not realistic. Even if it was, in strictly military sense, there is no point. Ethnic Ukrainians are generally dissatisfied with their government and situation in their country, but vast majority of them are not for Novorossiya. Put them under too much pressure and they will resist. So, rebels should be focused to take and defend areas where people are actually supporting them. To underestimate their shaken but still very capable opponent would be a huge mistake.

[myshownow]

Frankly, the formation of Novorossiya is already certain, everything is becoming anti-climactic. The fact Putin already called it Novorossiya and that he congratulated the Novorossiya militia virtually revealed what is in his mind. When he said in his conference with the kids in Moscow that the "West shouldn't mess with us" on its actions on Ukraine, he was saying a lot. It's obvious the major EU countries have already realized they have no other option except superficial publicity stunts for political consumption.

If you noticed, even the Western propaganda media are already speculating on the "loss of Ukraine's Black Sea coast" with the formation of Novorossiya from Kharkov to Odessa. Was there an agreement between the powers behind the scene?

So how about the people on the ground? You saw how the restive places like Kharkov & Odessa were immediately silenced by the Right Sector squads. There will be curses in the start but I don't really think it will derail the formation of the new entities in the long run. The oil money will go a long way, the gulf of salary between Ukraine & Russia (10x in some cases) virtually silenced everybody in Crimea.

[niothor]

By the way, you guys are cheering on the progress of the rebels, and apparently think that this issue can be fully resolved just by rebels pushing off Ukrainian military, taking over cities, and holding their territory at a new border. As if by succeeding in this, they will win and the fight will be over. Don't fool yourselves. There are a lot of people living in those areas, especially cities, who do not support Russia, and do not want to join it.

You're right, no question about it. That's why I am not commenting some rather euphoric posts mentioning march on Kharkov, Odessa... even Kiev. It's not realistic. Even if it was, in strictly military sense, there is no point. Ethnic Ukrainians are generally dissatisfied with their government and situation in their country, but vast majority of them are not for Novorossiya. Put them under too much pressure and they will resist. So, rebels should be focused to take and defend areas where people are actually supporting them. To underestimate their shaken but still very capable opponent would be a huge mistake.

So... why "talke"  Mariupol...?

https://twitter.com/_Alek_UA_/status/505018771627855872



Are these people waiting for the rebels ? Doesn't look like this to me.

[niothor]

Putin is backstabbing Novorussia once again. First he wants safe passage for the ~10,000 Ukrainian soldiers trapped in various pockets. Now he wants the Novorussians to release the 10,000+ Kiev soldiers whom they have captured, in exchange for just 10 Russian soldiers. IMO, Putin only cares about money. The DPR and LNR rulers, if they have any commonsense should say NO to Putin. Don't let the murderers go free. Exterminate them.

https://www.facebook.com/dostali.hvatit/posts/805399199494856

So no difference between you and the ISIS. You have finally showed your true colors muslim pirate.

[myshownow]

So... why "talke"  Mariupol...?


Are these people waiting for the rebels ? Doesn't look like this to me.

That's a cheap shot, my Romanian friend. Most of the people in Nagyvarad (Oradea) don't want to be in Romania but they have been occupied by poorer Romania because of the Trianon Treaty (Hungary has a higher standard of living & Hungary looks really classy while Romania is Third World)...

Worse, Romanians were forcibly inserted in monstrous blocks of apartments to dilute the Hungarian population but it's obvious where to find the HUngarians because they are more sophisticated and they leave in the classier historical areas

[Paya]

Are these people waiting for the rebels ? Doesn't look like this to me.

How many people are there on this picture? 1000? 2000? It's a city of 500.000, of which roughly half are ethnic Ukrainians. Where are they? Why don't you ask yourself, how many of Mariupol citizens might be actually waiting for the rebels?

[niothor]

Are these people waiting for the rebels ? Doesn't look like this to me.

How many people are there on this picture? 1000? 2000? Mariupol is a city of 500.000 citizens. Ask yourself, how many of them might be actually waiting for the rebels?

If there where so many why didn't they come out?
Why was the city so peaceful before and now hundreds are fleeing the city?

The Russian backed rebels might go and conquer all Ukraine do you really think all the people there support new russia?
A lot of them just hate their current government and oppose it like a lot of Americans do. But would they change it to another one that might prove even worse?

Basically you leave them no choice. It's just a forced replacement in which they won't have a  word.

[myshownow]

This is not too controversial but it's a big news to the new liberated territories:

Russia & China signed for the construction of a new $10Bln deepwater port in Crimea.

[myshownow]

You see we should let people decide their faith, if Mariupol wanna stay in Ukraine, let them stay in Ukraine, if Donetsk and Luhansk vote to get an independence from Ukraine by majority, and it appears they not only vote, but also fight, let them have their independence. But freedom always comes with a price.

Who said Mariupol wants to remain in Ukraine? WE saw videos showing how many people went to the streets to fight the Ukrainian tanks before. More than those in that picture.

Besides, we should consider the practicalities. Do you want to have a hodgepodge where you have a jigsaw puzzle of parts of different countries? Just imagine the insanity of synchronizing programs among bits of different countries interlaced with each other.

Donetsk Republic has already voted & Novorossiya it was, & it still is.

[niothor]

So... why "talke"  Mariupol...?


Are these people waiting for the rebels ? Doesn't look like this to me.

That's a cheap shot, my Romanian friend. Most of the people in Nagyvarad (Oradea) don't want to be in Romania but they have been occupied by poorer Romania because of the Trianon Treaty (Hungary has a higher standard of living & Hungary looks really classy while Romania is Third World)...

Worse, Romanians were forcibly inserted in monstrous blocks of apartments to dilute the Hungarian population but it's obvious where to find the HUngarians because they are more sophisticated and they leave in the classier historical areas

Typically Russian propaganda machine.. use the hammer and then ask yourself what happend to the dishes.

Read the Crimea thread and have a revelation. I was born in Temeswar  (with w and no á ) so your barking at the wrong tree my commie friend.

[myshownow]

Typically Russian propaganda machine.. use the hammer and then ask yourself what happend to the dishes.

Read the Crimea thread and have a revelation. I was born in Temeswar  (with w and no á ) so your barking at the wrong tree my commie friend.

LOL, so accepting you are from a great Hungarian city occupied by Romania makes sense of your pretentious argument about Mariupol?


(btw, are you of  Hungarian ethnicity?)

[myshownow]

I just found an interesting news:

Russian troops took up positions in Dzhankoj ,  Crimea "

Its from the Ukranian flunkie Lysenko so we should take it with a grain of salt. But Dzhankoj is the city north of Crimea in the boundary to Kherson oblast. Berdyansk, where the Novorussian forces are now, is found midway betwen Dzhankoj & the Russian frontier (in the map, at least). Will they meet the forces from Berdyansk & go straight to Melitopol, Zaporizhye & Dnipropetrovsk?

I hope so  

[gmat]

I have the impression, and I'm not alone with him in this world, that Ruthenian power can not talk to other than the position of strength, Ukraine has identified itself as a nation we would not want to "brothers Russians" to go in the future, the system of Russian democracy or hopelessness in constant dependence and subordination of Moscow, this is what happened at the maidan showed Ukraine in what place they are, how they are being robbed of the value of tangible and intangible assets, putin says that Ukraine and russia is one nation !!! ha ha in the 30's stalin 6 million Ukrainians killed by hunger and poverty, wonder that the Germans treated as saviors? call them, I say to the Russians, fascists. You take their land, persecuting and murdering Ukrainian patriots and wonder they are fighting it. Do you whore at all know the word "empathy" Russian fuckers?

[niothor]

Typically Russian propaganda machine.. use the hammer and then ask yourself what happend to the dishes.

Read the Crimea thread and have a revelation. I was born in Temeswar  (with w and no á ) so your barking at the wrong tree my commie friend.

LOL, so accepting you are from a great Hungarian city occupied by Romania makes sense of your pretentious argument about Mariupol?

No my commie blindfolded zealot.

You haven't paid attention to the name , should I spell it again for you? No , too lazy
Second , my point was that nobody except a few idiots in their search for voters are bringing up this whole romanian hungarian crap.
As a further hint to the first argument I can stay neutral in this discussion .

Unlike in your beloved country people here have stopped with the non sense. Only politicians when they have nothing to say good about their economy are turning to ethnic talks. Nor the Romanian nor the Hungarians nor the Germans (working and educated ) here are even remotely thinking about independence separation or god knows what.

Actually most of us think this is the way to go between Hungary and Romania.



Apart from the idiots who try to make a program to get in the parliament nobody is bothered by ethnic problems here anymore.
You would be amazed how many hungarians leave in Bucharest or Constanta or Iasi and how many romanians have moved into the Covasna Harghita region - by their own free will.

[myshownow]

Apart from the idiots who try to make a program to get in the parliament nobody is bothered by ethnic problems here anymore.
You would be amazed how many hungarians leave in Bucharest or Constanta or Iasi and how many romanians have moved into the Covasna Harghita region - by their own free will.

LOL, you must be living in another world. I visited your place, my friend, & I spoke with many people. Hungarian vs. Romanian undercurrent is stronger in Romania than Russian vs. Ukrainian in Kiev.


NOTE I used "undercurrents" because nothing shows on the surface, like in Kiev, nothing shows, only when the CIA & the WEst Ukrainians appeared