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August 26, 2020, 08:55:24 PM
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The police have the right to use deadly force to prevent a person from committing a felony who is currently in the process of doing so.

According to the supreme court, if an officer uses deadly force when not reasonably necessary - they can be charged criminally.  Not all felonies require deadly force therefore, your statement is not true.

You also cannot attempt to go into a building or a car, where a weapon may be located while you are being arrested.

Just because a gun could be in a car or building that someone who just committed a felony is trying to enter does not give a police officer the right to use deadly force.  In 1985 the supreme court rules that it's a violation of the 4th amendment to use deadly force on a non violent person fleeing a crime scene that is unarmed.

Note: Entering a building or car that may have a gun in it is not the same as being armed.  

This is not in response to the Jacob Blake case, I'm just pointing out that your statements are objectively untrue according to the Supreme Court.

I'm pretty sure that the Supreme Court would side with the police officers in the case of Jacob Blake. Going into a car where officers are unaware of what you have in it opens up a potentially life threatening point for law enforcement. Whether I agree with this or disagree with this doesn't matter, this case would be an open and shut one of the SC.

If he was just running away from them and hadn't fired a weapon, pointed it at officers, or anything along those lines -- then shooting this particular person would not hold up. But in this case, I think the line is a bit more gray.

There's too much unknown right now, if shooting 7 rounds into the guys back was justified, something must have happened or been said leading up to what we saw on video.  If the cop told gave him an order to lay down on the ground and he said 'fuck you I'm taking my kids home, don't touch me asshole' or something like that emptying a clip into his back is pretty unreasonable.  If he threatened the cop or gave some indication other than going to his car against orders that he intended to hurt someone, that would be different.

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August 26, 2020, 08:59:56 PM
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The police have the right to use deadly force to prevent a person from committing a felony who is currently in the process of doing so.

According to the supreme court, if an officer uses deadly force when not reasonably necessary - they can be charged criminally.  Not all felonies require deadly force therefore, your statement is not true.

You also cannot attempt to go into a building or a car, where a weapon may be located while you are being arrested.

Just because a gun could be in a car or building that someone who just committed a felony is trying to enter does not give a police officer the right to use deadly force.  In 1985 the supreme court rules that it's a violation of the 4th amendment to use deadly force on a non violent person fleeing a crime scene that is unarmed.

Note: Entering a building or car that may have a gun in it is not the same as being armed. 

This is not in response to the Jacob Blake case, I'm just pointing out that your statements are objectively untrue according to the Supreme Court.

I'm pretty sure that the Supreme Court would side with the police officers in the case of Jacob Blake. Going into a car where officers are unaware of what you have in it opens up a potentially life threatening point for law enforcement. Whether I agree with this or disagree with this doesn't matter, this case would be an open and shut one of the SC.

If he was just running away from them and hadn't fired a weapon, pointed it at officers, or anything along those lines -- then shooting this particular person would not hold up. But in this case, I think the line is a bit more gray.

There's too much unknown right now, if shooting 7 rounds into the guys back was justified, something must have happened or been said leading up to what we saw on video.  If the cop told gave him an order to lay down on the ground and he said 'fuck you I'm taking my kids home, don't touch me asshole' or something like that,  emptying a clip into his back is pretty unreasonable.
Totally a ton of unknowns right now. Pretty sure the cops in question weren't wearing bodycams, so that's not something that we're going to get at any point. I've seen a few reports of the police union (and the city that they were in) had continued to delay the usage of bodycams by law enforcement. Would be very helpful right now to have that audio and video, and I do think those should be mandated / heavily incentive to get more police forces to use them.

Whenever you're shooting something you're shooting to kill, not to wound -- and you're shooting at the area of the body with the most amount of mass where you have the best shot of connecting (which is obviously the back chest area)

I do want to see more information come out about this, that'll change a few variables here that are VERY important.




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August 26, 2020, 11:00:10 PM
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You guys really think that police are just some cold blooded killers out to murder black people?

Just another propaganda opportunity.. anti gun and anti police.. perfect for the leftist media’s narrative..

I think I saw that he had a warrant for raping a little kid or Something..

https://lakecountygazette.com/stories/549300062-jacob-blake-man-shot-in-kenosha-had-long-history-with-lake-county-law-enforcement

Such a hero.. Totally never would have imagined this guy getting killed.. Was such a good boy.. About to go to college..

And all of the world cares about one dead guy..
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August 26, 2020, 11:06:08 PM
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Trump calls for drug test prior to 2020 Presidential debates citing Biden's increased coherence. Not presidential, not professional, not warranted but that is funny as hell: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-calls-for-drug-tests-before-biden-debate


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August 26, 2020, 11:56:29 PM
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Trump calls for drug test prior to 2020 Presidential debates citing Biden's increased coherence. Not presidential, not professional, not warranted but that is funny as hell: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-calls-for-drug-tests-before-biden-debate

That'd be great. Also a bicycle test please. And the one with the elephants and the snakes. All live on TV. Greatest ratings ever guaranteed.

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August 27, 2020, 12:55:52 AM
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Trump calls for drug test prior to 2020 Presidential debates citing Biden's increased coherence. Not presidential, not professional, not warranted but that is funny as hell: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-calls-for-drug-tests-before-biden-debate

That'd be great. Also a bicycle test please. And the one with the elephants and the snakes. All live on TV. Greatest ratings ever guaranteed.

With how 2020's panning out, I'm waiting for a Trump v. Biden boxing match. Money's on Biden, for obvious reasons.

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August 27, 2020, 02:21:24 AM
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If he threatened the cop or gave some indication other than going to his car against orders that he intended to hurt someone, that would be different.

https://www.doj.state.wi.us/news-releases/update-kenosha-officer-involved-shooting-0

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During the investigation following the initial incident, Mr. Blake admitted that he had a knife in his possession. DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Mr. Blake’s vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons.




Your link doesn't support your statement.

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August 27, 2020, 04:18:46 AM
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“Blake is currently facing a rape charge in Kenosha.

A warrant was issued for Blake’s arrest on July 7 on felony 3rd degree sexual assault, disorderly conduct and criminal trespass, all related to domestic abuse.”
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August 27, 2020, 04:29:19 AM
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There is/was a warrant for sexual assault for Jacob Blake. While sexual assault against a child is especially henious, the fact the person Blake allegedly sexually assaulted was not a minor does not change the fact that he is a very bad person.


You left out the fact that he was waiving a knife around.

Not a fact. At least not as of right now.

The officers could be heard telling Blake to drop the knife. That alone is strong evidence he had a knife.


I think the DNC can see that the situation in WI is not favorable to them. The Govenor caved to Trump's pressure to agree to allow the National Guard to help law enforcement, and public opinion on the rioters is quickly declining. The FLOUTS called for the violence to end and called for people to not make assumptions about the situation without first finding out the facts, and this is something that is going to resoniate with Americans.

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August 27, 2020, 04:53:45 AM
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the fact the person Blake allegedly sexually assaulted was not a minor does not change the fact that he is a very bad person.

So he deserved to be shot 7 times, is that what you are saying?

The officers could be heard telling Blake to drop the knife. That alone is strong evidence he had a knife.

Having a knife in a car is pretty different from "waiving a knife around" as you previously claimed, and nowhere in the video was he shown to be "waiving a knife around." That is purely speculation designed to bolster your case (that he should be shot in the back 7 times), just as is Eddie's speculation that he raped a child. I have to wonder what is wrong with the both of you to think anything could possibly justify the actions of the officer in this case. The fact that you are both inventing evidence to bolster the case is equally as baffling.

Seems like a long shot for bitfinex to try this hand waiving technique.

BTW, the spelling of the word in this instance is "waving"; "waiving" refers to something else, like waiving your right to remain silent and not incriminate yourself.





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August 27, 2020, 05:01:53 AM
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I heard it was something with a minor, I wasn’t sure, I said “or something”, I posted a source of a recent rape charge..

How old was the rape victim then?
Do you know it was not a minor? Or just that it didn’t say that it was?
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August 27, 2020, 05:14:22 AM
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Do you know it was not a minor? Or just that it didn’t say that it was?

Okay, well 5 seconds of Google research finds that Wisconsin's statutory rape laws fall under statute 948.02 whereas Blake was charged with violating 940.225(3).





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August 27, 2020, 05:34:11 AM
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You left out the fact that he was waiving a knife around.

Not a fact. At least not as of right now.

The officers could be heard telling Blake to drop the knife. That alone is strong evidence he had a knife.

I'm honestly curious, why do you keep doing this?  I know that you're intelligent and more than capable of thinking and behaving logically.

When you said "You left out the fact that he was waiving a knife around.", did you actually believe it was a fact?

Do you really think your response to nutildah justifies your claim that it was a fact?

It seems like you're doing this kind of thing more and more frequently.  You have my word, if you ever admit you said something inacurate for whatever reason, I'll just drop it. Stuff like Never bring it up again.  Everyone messes up and things are complicated right now - adding more bullshit on top won't fix anything.  (And I'm not talking about trolling or being sarcastic)

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August 27, 2020, 07:26:46 AM
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You left out the fact that he was waiving a knife around.

Not a fact. At least not as of right now.

The officers could be heard telling Blake to drop the knife. That alone is strong evidence he had a knife.

I'm honestly curious, why do you keep doing this?  I know that you're intelligent and more than capable of thinking and behaving logically.

When you said "You left out the fact that he was waiving a knife around.", did you actually believe it was a fact?

Do you really think your response to nutildah justifies your claim that it was a fact?

It seems like you're doing this kind of thing more and more frequently.  You have my word, if you ever admit you said something inacurate for whatever reason, I'll just drop it. Stuff like Never bring it up again.  Everyone messes up and things are complicated right now - adding more bullshit on top won't fix anything.  (And I'm not talking about trolling or being sarcastic)


Agree with all of this.

It is NOT a fact at all that a knife was being waved around. There are reports of a knife being found in his car after it was searched, but that is all that is being found as of right now. This investigation will continue, and another angel of reporting may come out so that'd be interesting as well. - https://www.fox6now.com/news/doj-identifies-officer-who-shot-jacob-blake-says-knife-was-recovered-from-floorboard




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August 27, 2020, 06:13:48 PM
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I would suspect that right now Trump is mad at Laura for stealing his ratings and toppling a confederate statue. What a nasty woman.

Anyone down in Louisiana/East Texas/Arkansas or wherever she's headed next - please stay safe.

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August 27, 2020, 10:09:20 PM
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Is it just me who's noticed? ... (probably not)
Where the f**k has that p+s legendary obsessive trust abuse posting dude with the anger management problem gone?

Suchmoon's odds are getting better every day....

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Where the f**k has that p+s legendary obsessive trust abuse posting dude with the anger management problem gone?

Normally I would joke that his signature campaign ended but these days you never know, might be a serious thing, pandemic, riot, hurricane... whatever the reason for his disappearance - thoughts and prayers.

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August 28, 2020, 12:16:18 AM
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If you are talking about TS then yeah..
I even owe him a little $ right now and haven’t been able to get ahold of him..
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As an outsider, I looked over this guy Biden a bit and found him to be a better politician than both Hillary and Trump.
As the last election was a close contest. I don't see why Trump would win this one. But there are many internal and external factors that could swing the votes to any side till the last day of election.

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August 28, 2020, 08:14:44 AM
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Trump is getting more and more desperate or maybe he is playing mind games trying to put Biden off - either way he wants to stay in the news. Have to say funny though  Grin


Trump calls for drug test prior to 2020 Presidential debates citing Biden's increased coherence. Not presidential, not professional, not warranted but that is funny as hell: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-calls-for-drug-tests-before-biden-debate

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