dmwardjr
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February 25, 2015, 07:32:45 PM |
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Its still hard for me the belive that sp20s made SP-tech no money.
-The chips are already developed and ready
-Boards are hillariously cheap . It has 3 boards basically if you count the controller.
-No power supply.
The only thing I can think is the cost comes from the steel casing , if thats the case strip it down and sell the miner for the same price with just the hashing boards and a fan. And charge extra
for an encased board.
The only oher thing i can think is they don't want competion for thier new bulk hardware which is strange to me since the hardware is not even in production yet?
It could be that SPT wants to go bulk to avoid headaches of dealing with negative and inconsiderate individuals like yourself. Why don't you calm down and stop trying to ruin it for others who would be positive and considerate. If you don't like the costs of a product a particular manufacturer provides, go to another manufacturer. Don't stay here to try to make a public mockery of someone or an entity you obviously do not support. |
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wpgdeez
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February 25, 2015, 08:05:13 PM |
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I think they ran out of chips and in the current market it does not make sense to order a new batch of chips that are soon to be considered obsolete.
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DevonMiner
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February 25, 2015, 10:43:00 PM |
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Its still hard for me the belive that sp20s made SP-tech no money.
It did ... but towards the end it didn't (As I read the situation). Take into account R&D costs, production costs, shipping costs, staff costs ... and all the other miscellaneous costs that a business has ... and it all adds up. Bitcoin also tanked during the SP20 lifecycle. Sponds aren't famous for bending the truth, and why should they? SOLD OUT .. and things were tight financially towards the end of the shipping run. If you have inventory, and need to get it sold ... sell it and get the money in, basic business sense. You don't always make a profit, but money in the bag is better than none. |
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djroadking
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February 25, 2015, 11:28:54 PM |
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Anyone think Sondoolies Tech will even make other miners?
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samsonn25
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February 25, 2015, 11:30:43 PM |
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Is there even any other company making retail asics besides bitmain you should ask.
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wh00per
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February 25, 2015, 11:54:20 PM |
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He should not ask anything .. after everything posted in the last 4-5 days. Better focus on understanding what's going on with such information. It's less noisy.
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Bicknellski
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February 26, 2015, 12:08:01 AM
Last edit: February 26, 2015, 01:14:42 AM by Bicknellski |
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Anyone think Sondoolies Tech will even make other miners?
Yes and it will likely be the last one you can purchase from moving forward. Given the KnC, Bitfury, Asicminer model of their own farms the market demand will probably disappear completely. Build & self-mining farms will be the only thing left before an even larger collapse of the BTC price. |
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wh00per
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February 26, 2015, 12:14:45 AM |
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Yeap .. back to my ranting, the newbie jail had very good reasons to be there. Now it is not .. you can see how the things are going.
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philipma1957
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February 26, 2015, 12:17:27 AM |
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Anyone think Sondoolies Tech will even make other miners?
Yes and it will likely be the last one you can purchase from moving forward. Given the KnC, Bitfury, Asicminer model of their own farms the market demand will probably disappear completely. Build & self-mining farms will be the only thing left before an even larger collapse of the BTC price. I like to think you are wrong. But I am losing my bullish beliefs in BTC 1 day at a time. |
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Biodom
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February 26, 2015, 01:14:51 AM |
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Anyone think Sondoolies Tech will even make other miners?
Yes and it will likely be the last one you can purchase from moving forward. Given the KnC, Bitfury, Asicminer model of their own farms the market demand will probably disappear completely. Build & self-mining farms will be the only thing left before an even larger collapse of the BTC price. I like to think you are wrong. But I am losing my bullish beliefs in BTC 1 day at a time. I thought that BTC could be a good addition to other assets 10-20 years later, but right now I think about it as a hobby. Honestly, we look more and more like stamp collectors or gamers than nouveau riche, but I am fine with this, to a degree. |
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February 26, 2015, 01:21:51 AM
Last edit: February 26, 2015, 01:52:13 AM by Bicknellski |
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Anyone think Sondoolies Tech will even make other miners?
Yes and it will likely be the last one you can purchase from moving forward. Given the KnC, Bitfury, Asicminer model of their own farms the market demand will probably disappear completely. Build & self-mining farms will be the only thing left before an even larger collapse of the BTC price. I like to think you are wrong. But I am losing my bullish beliefs in BTC 1 day at a time. Hard to have faith in a cornered market that is manipulated by a small group who like to find time to pool resources and discuss the future of Bitcoin behind closed doors. There will be a lot more volatility not saying price will tank and stay there but what will happen will be a catastrophic collapse that the current mining ecosystem doesn't seem to be willing or ready to accept given the race to the bottom. If you haven't diversified yet then mining hardware could be a coffin for a company. Obviously Spondoolies is fighting to find avenues that will allow it to weather those sort of vagaries in the marketplace, such as having no customers for great products, but as more and more hashpower comes online in fewer hands there is a point where the market for people willing to invest in such small gains becomes evident to even the most optimistic sales team on the planet. It doesn't stop at the home miner it keeps going beyond that. Watch and see. |
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February 26, 2015, 01:32:03 AM |
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can you post the same power graph for the first gen SP30 please?
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February 26, 2015, 05:21:30 AM |
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BTC is like any other risky business. It also happens to be a fanatic passion among many people. I do not mean fanatic with a negative connotation, I am one myself  ...but I hope a good one! OnTopic: I have a high temp and I'm not sure which chip(s) on which board to take a look at. Loop 2 #4 I cannot seem to keep consistently cool, even with cold 0c air at the intake it stays higher at 120. Please take a look and let me know your thoughts. I will contact Spondoolies warranty as well, but I've found discussing it here seems fast and educational as well. Ok enough of me blabberin My AsicLoop NFO:
2.6.14
Uptime:29963 | FPGA ver:100 | BIST in 53
-----BOARD-0-----
PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(238w/238w)[238 238 238] (->238w[238 238 238]) (lim=288) 0c 382GH cooling:0/0xd0
-----BOARD-1-----
PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(247w/247w)[247 247 247] (->247w[247 247 247]) (lim=288) 0c 387GH cooling:0/0xd0
-----BOARD-2-----
PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(255w/255w)[255 255 255] (->255w[255 255 255]) (lim=288) 0c 399GH cooling:0/0xd0
-----BOARD-3-----
PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(245w/245w)[245 245 245] (->245w[245 245 245]) (lim=288) 0c 393GH cooling:0/0xd0
LOOP[0] ON TO:0 (w:2608)
0: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:707 vlt2:709(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:709) 97W 137A 59c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 990hz(BL: 990) 1308 (E:193) F:0 L:0]
1: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:703 vlt2:709(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:709) 95W 134A 77c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 990hz(BL: 990) 1300 (E:193) F:0 L:0]
LOOP[1] ON TO:0 (w:2696)
2: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:705 vlt2:709(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:709) 102W 143A 90c] ASIC:[105c (125c) 1020hz(BL:1020) 1398 (E:193) F:0 L:0]
3: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:707 vlt2:709(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:709) 97W 138A 92c] ASIC:[110c (125c) 990hz(BL: 990) 1298 (E:193) F:0 L:0]
LOOP[2] ON TO:0 (w:2762)
4: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:703 vlt2:709(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:709) 106W 150A 67c] ASIC:[120c (125c) 1060hz(BL:1060) 1383 (E:193) F:0 L:0]
5: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:703 vlt2:709(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:709) 99W 140A 81c] ASIC:[105c (125c) 1010hz(BL:1010) 1379 (E:193) F:0 L:0]
LOOP[3] ON TO:0 (w:2592)
6: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:701 vlt2:703(DCl:794 Tl:703 Ul:709) 100W 143A 89c] ASIC:[115c (125c) 1030hz(BL:1030) 1265 (E:193) F:1 L:0]
7: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:703 vlt2:709(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:709) 97W 137A 96c] ASIC:[115c (125c) 1010hz(BL:1010) 1327 (E:193) F:0 L:0]
[H:HW:1563Gh (500),DC-W:797,L:0,A:8,MMtmp:0 TMP:(25/25)=>=>=>(72/72 , 71/71)]
Pushed 10 jobs , in HW queue 4 jobs (sw:1, hw:1)!
min:18 wins:10658[this/last min:4/19] bist-fail:66, hw-err:0
leading-zeroes:42 idle promils[s/m]:0/0, rate:1328gh/s asic-count:4008 (wins:3+1)
wall watts:1081
Fan:90, conseq:200
AC2DC BAD: 0 0
R/NR: 29951/0
RTF asics: 0
FET: 0:5 1:5
0 restarted 0 reset 0 reset2 0 fake_wins
0 stuck_bist 0 low_power 0 stuck_pll 0 runtime_dsble
0 purge_queue 0 read_timeouts 0 dc2dc_i2c 0 read_tmout2 0 read_crptn
0 purge_queue3 0 bad_idle
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Adapter queues: rsp=1, req=24
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Transaction fees go to the pools and the pools decide to pay them to the miners. Anything else, including off-chain solutions are stealing and not the way Bitcoin was intended to function.
Make the block size set by the pool. Pool = miners and they get the choice.
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Biomech
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February 26, 2015, 05:46:27 AM |
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Yeap .. back to my ranting, the newbie jail had very good reasons to be there. Now it is not .. you can see how the things are going.
As a guy that absolutely hates newbie bashing, I am forced to agree with you. Newbies, you do well to educate yourself. BCT is full of information. some of it very good and very interesting. Or to quote an old proverb, it is better to be thought an ass than to open one's mouth and prove it. |
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edgar
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February 26, 2015, 08:13:56 AM |
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35 USD to ship an SD card??
and if i were to pay using the 150USD coupon you will invalidate the remaining 115 USD??
Please keep it!
As to the burnt connectors, they were not 'officially reported' but extensively discussed on the forum late last year.
Can i use the 150 USD for replacing these? I assume they wont cost that much.
Although the shipping may make it a complete waste of time if 35USD for a 1g SD card is anything to go by...
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zvisha
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February 26, 2015, 09:54:37 AM |
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To all interested in using wireless adapters, I just tested SP20 with
Edimax Model No. EW-7718Un
and
Edimax Model No. EW-7711USN
and both are working.
Other sticks I had at home didn't work.
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philipma1957
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February 26, 2015, 10:21:00 AM |
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I am driving my Kia Forte at 105 miles per hour and it seems like a rough ride can anyone help me. Yeah don't push the car drive it at 85 miles per hour. These units have variance just like GPU's used to have. Try running this unit at 1400 gh not 1563 gh use 0.680 0.680 0.680 0.680 0.690 max volts 240 watts 240 240 240 fan 80 BTC is like any other risky business. It also happens to be a fanatic passion among many people. I do not mean fanatic with a negative connotation, I am one myself ...but I hope a good one! OnTopic: I have a high temp and I'm not sure which chip(s) on which board to take a look at. Loop 2 #4 I cannot seem to keep consistently cool, even with cold 0c air at the intake it stays higher at 120. Please take a look and let me know your thoughts. I will contact Spondoolies warranty as well, but I've found discussing it here seems fast and educational as well. Ok enough of me blabberin My AsicLoop NFO:
2.6.14
Uptime:29963 | FPGA ver:100 | BIST in 53
-----BOARD-0-----
PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(238w/238w)[238 238 238] (->238w[238 238 238]) (lim=288) 0c 382GH cooling:0/0xd0
-----BOARD-1-----
PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(247w/247w)[247 247 247] (->247w[247 247 247]) (lim=288) 0c 387GH cooling:0/0xd0
-----BOARD-2-----
PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(255w/255w)[255 255 255] (->255w[255 255 255]) (lim=288) 0c 399GH cooling:0/0xd0
-----BOARD-3-----
PSU[UNKNOWN]: 0->(245w/245w)[245 245 245] (->245w[245 245 245]) (lim=288) 0c 393GH cooling:0/0xd0
LOOP[0] ON TO:0 (w:2608)
0: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:707 vlt2:709(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:709) 97W 137A 59c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 990hz(BL: 990) 1308 (E:193) F:0 L:0]
1: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:703 vlt2:709(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:709) 95W 134A 77c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 990hz(BL: 990) 1300 (E:193) F:0 L:0]
LOOP[1] ON TO:0 (w:2696)
2: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:705 vlt2:709(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:709) 102W 143A 90c] ASIC:[105c (125c) 1020hz(BL:1020) 1398 (E:193) F:0 L:0]
3: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:707 vlt2:709(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:709) 97W 138A 92c] ASIC:[110c (125c) 990hz(BL: 990) 1298 (E:193) F:0 L:0]
LOOP[2] ON TO:0 (w:2762)
4: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:703 vlt2:709(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:709) 106W 150A 67c] ASIC:[120c (125c) 1060hz(BL:1060) 1383 (E:193) F:0 L:0]
5: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:703 vlt2:709(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:709) 99W 140A 81c] ASIC:[105c (125c) 1010hz(BL:1010) 1379 (E:193) F:0 L:0]
LOOP[3] ON TO:0 (w:2592)
6: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:701 vlt2:703(DCl:794 Tl:703 Ul:709) 100W 143A 89c] ASIC:[115c (125c) 1030hz(BL:1030) 1265 (E:193) F:1 L:0]
7: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:703 vlt2:709(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:709) 97W 137A 96c] ASIC:[115c (125c) 1010hz(BL:1010) 1327 (E:193) F:0 L:0]
[H:HW:1563Gh (500),DC-W:797,L:0,A:8,MMtmp:0 TMP:(25/25)=>=>=>(72/72 , 71/71)]
Pushed 10 jobs , in HW queue 4 jobs (sw:1, hw:1)!
min:18 wins:10658[this/last min:4/19] bist-fail:66, hw-err:0
leading-zeroes:42 idle promils[s/m]:0/0, rate:1328gh/s asic-count:4008 (wins:3+1)
wall watts:1081
Fan:90, conseq:200
AC2DC BAD: 0 0
R/NR: 29951/0
RTF asics: 0
FET: 0:5 1:5
0 restarted 0 reset 0 reset2 0 fake_wins
0 stuck_bist 0 low_power 0 stuck_pll 0 runtime_dsble
0 purge_queue 0 read_timeouts 0 dc2dc_i2c 0 read_tmout2 0 read_crptn
0 purge_queue3 0 bad_idle
0 err_murata
Adapter queues: rsp=1, req=24
Any and all facts, thoughts, opinions, and insults welcome |
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dmeter
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February 26, 2015, 02:15:42 PM |
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I am driving my Kia Forte at 105 miles per hour and it seems like a rough ride can anyone help me.
Yeah don't push the car drive it at 85 miles per hour.
These units have variance just like GPU's used to have. Try running this unit at 1400 gh not 1563 gh
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my asic LOOP[0] ON TO:0 (w:15411) 0: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:728 vlt2:730(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:738) 110W 151A 65c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 1060hz(BL:1060) 7759 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 1: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:728 vlt2:733(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:738) 115W 157A 86c] ASIC:[100c (125c) 1080hz(BL:1080) 7652 (E:193) F:0 L:0] LOOP[1] ON TO:0 (w:15117) 2: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:708 vlt2:714(DCl:714 Tl:794 Ul:738) 112W 156A 100c] ASIC:[110c (125c) 1080hz(BL:1080) 7701 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 3: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:689 vlt2:693(DCl:794 Tl:693 Ul:738) 96W 139A 99c] ASIC:[120c (125c) 1000hz(BL:1000) 7416 (E:193) F:0 L:0] LOOP[2] ON TO:0 (w:15538) 4: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:724 vlt2:730(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:738) 111W 152A 68c] ASIC:[ 85c (125c) 1080hz(BL:1080) 7683 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 5: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:726 vlt2:730(DCl:794 Tl:794 Ul:738) 114W 156A 88c] ASIC:[115c (125c) 1090hz(BL:1090) 7855 (E:193) F:0 L:0] LOOP[3] ON TO:0 (w:14604) 6: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:691 vlt2:695(DCl:794 Tl:695 Ul:738) 95W 137A 87c] ASIC:[120c (125c) 1010hz(BL:1010) 7352 (E:193) F:0 L:0] 7: DC2DC/1/:[vlt1:681 vlt2:685(DCl:794 Tl:685 Ul:738) 91W 133A 89c] ASIC:[120c (125c) 1000hz(BL:1000) 7252 (E:193) F:0 L:0] [H:HW:1621Gh (500),DC-W:847,L:0,A:8,MMtmp:0 TMP:(25/25)=>=>=>(76/76 , 70/70)] Pushed 10 jobs , in HW queue 4 jobs (sw:2, hw:2)! min:8 wins:60670[this/last min:3/20] bist-fail:700, hw-err:0 leading-zeroes:42 idle promils[s/m]:0/0, rate:1398gh/s asic-count:21864 (wins:1+2) wall watts:1147 Fan:80, conseq:200 If SP-20 burn or die who care. Every SP-20 i return investment and now have litle profit 320$ by gear. my setings is simple medium fans, high rate |
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Biffa
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February 26, 2015, 02:22:03 PM |
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If SP-20 burn or die who care. Every SP-20 i return investment and now have litle profit 320$ by gear.
my setings is simple medium fans, high rate
Maybe read the question? I have a high temp and I'm not sure which chip(s) on which board to take a look at.
Phil was answering correctly, if you want to run your SP20 cooler, you have to run it slower. |
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February 26, 2015, 02:25:48 PM |
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I am driving my Kia Forte at 105 miles per hour and it seems like a rough ride can anyone help me.
Yeah don't push the car drive it at 85 miles per hour.
Except in this case Phillip, it would be more alike to purchasing a Mustang that is manufacturer rated for 20 MPG @ 80 MPH, but won't go over 60 MPH. If the dealer told them "don't drive over 60", there would be some upset customers. |
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