Coronavirus Outbreak

[franky1]

the countries that didnt need to isolate within the borders, done so by controling it better AT the borders

again common sense.
australia/new zealand had a great policy and it worked.

but hey. some idiots dont get it.
they think the best way to control covid is to let it spread.
they dont understand that swedon, australia newzealand and korea stopped the spread at the borders by not doing loads of repatriation flights.
and by quarantining those coming in.


idiots think they let the virus come in and let it spread wild..
but hey idiots will be idiots. they cant even research why sweden was better than the us.

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[Gyfts]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9829585/Ministers-plead-calm-Covid-cases-fall-SIX-DAYS-running.html

It's interesting to see how wrong the statistical models are when trying to extrapolate Covid cases, because the issue is, if people listen to some of these clowns, then the UK gets a brand new set of lockdown restrictions based false data. That's how these models work, changes on a dime, yet we put all the eggs in one basket, and hope for the best.

[tvbcof]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9829585/Ministers-plead-calm-Covid-cases-fall-SIX-DAYS-running.html

It's interesting to see how wrong the statistical models are when trying to extrapolate Covid cases, because the issue is, if people listen to some of these clowns, then the UK gets a brand new set of lockdown restrictions based false data. That's how these models work, changes on a dime, yet we put all the eggs in one basket, and hope for the best.

These 'models' are exactly what the whole global warming scam is based on just FWIW.  For a scientismist, the more wrong you are, the longer your life as an 'advisor' out of academia is, and the more funding you get.  You just have to make sure you are wrong in a way that favors the globalist's pet projects (like carbon taxes, economic shifts (e.g., moves to production to 'communist' China), etc.)

A dead give-away that such a scam is underway is when a 'scientist' won't release his/her code and/or data-sets.  For some reason this is seen especially at certain 'educational institutions' based in London, or at least out of the U.K..

[Gyfts]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9829585/Ministers-plead-calm-Covid-cases-fall-SIX-DAYS-running.html

It's interesting to see how wrong the statistical models are when trying to extrapolate Covid cases, because the issue is, if people listen to some of these clowns, then the UK gets a brand new set of lockdown restrictions based false data. That's how these models work, changes on a dime, yet we put all the eggs in one basket, and hope for the best.

These 'models' are exactly what the whole global warming scam is based on just FWIW.  For a scientismist, the more wrong you are, the longer your life as an 'advisor' out of academia is, and the more funding you get.  You just have to make sure you are wrong in a way that favors the globalist's pet projects (like carbon taxes, economic shifts (e.g., moves to production to 'communist' China), etc.)

A dead give-away that such a scam is underway is when a 'scientist' won't release his/her code and/or data-sets.  For some reason this is seen especially at certain 'educational institutions' based in London, or at least out of the U.K..

Depends which model you're talking about.

Recall back from when this fiasco began - a few of the more honest scientists produced a model (using model loosely, was more of a statistical analysis) to capture the real IFR of COVID using a closed system as the sample, the Diamond Princess cruise ship.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00885-w

Back when the world was preparing for Covid and still using faulty Chinese data, the WHO predicted that the death rate for Covid was something like 5-10x higher than the true Covid death rate, because they took the confirmed cases and created a ratio of the confirmed deaths. But the problem was, the sample did not account for all confirmed covid cases, because of course, not everyone that has covid gets accounted for.

So, using WHO's figure, we had an incorrect interpretation of the lethality of Covid. If you used a closed system like a cruise ship, you can get an idea of the number of infections, the number of non infections, and most importantly, the true case fatality rate because you can test every person in the sample.

I remember this distinctively, people made fun of the idea that the Covid death rate was close to 1 percent than it was 3 or 4 percent as initially predicted. And even now, we know the death rate to be something like 0.5 percent, with striations on age.

I'm not discounting models because they actually do help, but it's not rational to utilize only a single model. And, a model is only as good as the data you feed it.

[franky1]

These 'models' are exactly what the whole global warming scam is based on just FWIW.  For a scientismist, the more wrong you are, the longer your life as an 'advisor' out of academia is, and the more funding you get.  You just have to make sure you are wrong in a way that favors the globalist's pet projects (like carbon taxes, economic shifts (e.g., moves to production to 'communist' China), etc.)

nah..  its actually.. the more wrong you are.. the more money you make out of acedemia. because you are busy selling your wrong opinions to conspiracy platforms
yes all them interviewed 'doctors' of family medicine pretending to know about viruses/immunity. but then selling anti-vax scripts/narratives. are not making money from academia as they have been ejected. and instead have to make some income from their lies and unbacked opinions. pretending its backed because they said it with their now expired credentials

[franky1]

Depends which model you're talking about.

Recall back from when this fiasco began - a few of the more honest scientists produced a model (using model loosely, was more of a statistical analysis) to capture the real IFR of COVID using a closed system as the sample, the Diamond Princess cruise ship.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00885-w

Back when the world was preparing for Covid and still using faulty Chinese data, the WHO predicted that the death rate for Covid was something like 5-10x higher than the true Covid death rate, because they took the confirmed cases and created a ratio of the confirmed deaths. But the problem was, the sample did not account for all confirmed covid cases, because of course, not everyone that has covid gets accounted for.

the study of the diamond princess did account for every case. because EVERYONE was tested.
(easy to do on a cruise ship)

the thing is.
in a tight/cramped space with air circulating room to room. cases will be high and deaths will be high..
and guess what the first solution to bring down the case/death count was..
... yep social distancing..
and guess what..

case R rates went down and death severity went down
this is because general population are not clustered together in a confined area so less viral load so more people asymptomatic in general population.
and because general population are not tested as rigoursly as the diamond princess its suggestive that although case numbers were low in general populations instances. there are probably 5x more infectees, just not being tested due to lack of showing symptoms due to social distancing giving them low viral loads

so thank you for confirming why social distancing was a good thing. due to the diamond princess study you mentioned

[Gyfts]

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Well clearly social distancing works. I know the diamond princess study accounted for all cases, I was saying that the WHO's prediction of the IFR didn't account for all cases, so we could've used the diamond princess study to better gauge the death rate.

[franky1]

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Well clearly social distancing works. I know the diamond princess study accounted for all cases, I was saying that the WHO's prediction of the IFR didn't account for all cases, so we could've used the diamond princess study to better gauge the death rate.

who did not say it was 5-10x higher death rate.

the study
700 had it.. 330 asymptomatic
=370 people with symptoms as a comparator to general public case testing(case rate)
13 died = 3.5% cfr (13 of 370)

yes if you include the asymptomatic(not really tested in general public) the number is more like 1.8% death rate

so yes WHO did gauge the numbers right. as they knew not everyone in general public would be tested.
so they adjusted their numbers accordingly
CFR (death rate of recorded cases) was in the mid 3 range
IFR(death rate of all infection tested or not) was in the 1.5 range

as for the cases rate. knowing that not everyone would be tested and knowing lower viral load due to not in a contained vessel breathing over each other for weeks. they said that the case rate in general public is probably 5-10x more then the test positive numbers(because not everyone is getting tested)

in short.
if 53% have symptoms in a small confined area.
and say 10% have it in well ventilated self isolating no contact general public
then there would be a 5x difference

the only reason death numbers after april went below 1%.. was again.. social distancing

it was not because the virus was not deadly. it was that people were staying away to not get high viral loads from each other.
as seen when case and death rate and symptomatic rates went up when self isolation rules eased
and went back down when self isolation tightened up

[BADecker]

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Well clearly social distancing works. I know the diamond princess study accounted for all cases, I was saying that the WHO's prediction of the IFR didn't account for all cases, so we could've used the diamond princess study to better gauge the death rate.

Quite the opposite.
Covid was here for a long time before any large number of people were infected.
Mingling let the immune system build up her immunity naturally.
Lockdowns interrupted natural herd immunity so there were more cases...
... because people weren't mingling in large numbers.
At this stage, only about 99.5% of the people died...
... and the great majority (94%) of these were elderly with comorbidities.
Then the vaccine arrived, which is creating more Covid than ever, below.


Vaccinated people account for 75% of coronavirus infections in Singapore

Vaccinated individuals accounted for three-quarters of Singapore’s Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) infections in the last four weeks, putting a dent in the country’s vaccination program.

Singapore, which has been distributing the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, has already vaccinated nearly 75 percent of its 5.7 million people – the world’s second-highest rate behind the United Arab Emirates. Half of the country’s population is fully vaccinated.

Of Singapore’s 1,096 locally transmitted infections in the last 28 days, 484 or about 44 percent were in fully vaccinated people while 30 percent were partially vaccinated and just over 25 percent were in unvaccinated individuals, according to data provided by the government Thursday, July 22.

The data also showed that infections in the last 14 days among vaccinated people older than 61 stood at about 88 percent, higher than the figure of just over 70 percent for the younger group.

Linfa Wang, a professor at Duke-NUS Medical School, said elderly people had been shown to have weaker immune responses upon vaccination.

In Israel, which also has a high vaccination rate, about half of the 46 patients hospitalized in severe condition by early July had been vaccinated, and the majority were from risk groups. (Related: “Breakthrough” coronavirus cases still being reported, some even dying despite being fully vaccinated.)
Singapore bans restaurant dining, gatherings of more than two people

Beginning Thursday, Singapore banned restaurant dining and gatherings of more than two people as the country reverted to Phase 2, also known as heightened alert.

Both indoor and outdoor food and beverage establishments, including hawker centers and food courts, will only be able to offer takeaway and delivery options during this period. The restrictions will last until Aug. 18. Just 10 days before the start of restrictions, the government allowed residents to dine in groups of five.

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[franky1]

Quite the opposite.
Covid was here for a long time before any large number of people were infected.

what are you saying
it was here before it was here??
it was infecting people before it was infecting people?

let me guess you were a born before you were born. you were talking to your parents and then you want up into your mothers womb

sorry but real life doesnt work like that

seems you spend too much time in the sci-fi section

as for numbers...

if say 90% of population had the vaccine and only 5% then get noticable symptoms
if say 10% are are unvaxxed and 40% have noticable symptoms

4.5% vaccinated and 4% without vaccine

but lets translate that out
if there are 90 people vaccinated and they went to a party and as friends. they found out 4or 5 of their friends had noticable covid.
if there are 10 people unvaccinated and they went to a party and as friends. they found out 4 of their friends had noticable covid.

the unvaxxed party has lost nearly half its guests.. now only 6 at the party
the vaxxed party continues on with 85 still at the party

but in hospital. it looks like more vaxxed people are in hospital.. but thats ONLY BECAUSE: more people are vaxxined

..
you might have had a topic of discussion if you understood the numbers.. but you dont.. so find a new topic

[BADecker]

Quite the opposite.
Covid was here for a long time before any large number of people were infected.

what are you saying
it was here before it was here??
it was infecting people before it was infecting people?

let me guess you were a born before you were born. you were talking to your parents and then you want up into your mothers womb

sorry but real life doesnt work like that

seems you spend too much time in the sci-fi section

as for numbers...

if 90% of population had the vaccine and only 5% then get noticable symptoms
if 10% are are unvaxxed and 40% have noticable symptoms

then of the whole population

4.5% vaccinated and 4% without vaccine

but lets translate that out
if there are 90 people vaccinated and they went to a party and as friends. they found out 4or 5 of their friends had noticable covid.
if there are 10 people unvaccinated and they went to a party and as friends. they found out 4 of their friends had noticable covid.

the unvaxxed party has lost nearly half its guests.. now only 6 at the party
the vaxxed party continues on with 84 still at the party

..
you might have had a topic of discussion if you understood the numbers.. but you dont.. so find a new topic

Here's what I am saying. There are many viruses in humans, even though there are only a few more than a couple hundred that might affect them.

Somebody got sick and died. The medical took some samples of snot, mucus, lung tissue, etc., from him and started separating some chunks (sequence snippets) of it out. Then they recombined these snippets like you put a puzzle together until they had something that looked like their description of what a virus should look like. They called it Covid, and said that this was what was making people sick and killing them... even though they never tested it on anyone by injecting it into him.

Since they had it, it was easy for all the other doctors to find the snippets of sequences and put them together until they had exactly the same configuration of the first creators... which creation they called, btw, isolation of the virus.

The point is that it doesn't matter if there are lockdowns or social distancing or not. Social distancing is simply a method for taking the eyes of the populace off the truth of the Covid fabrication. The deaths are from a particularly virulent batch of flu. The medical couldn't cure the flu no matter how they tried, so they invented the whole Covid hoax to make it look like they are doing something useful.

All you are doing, franky1, is trying to keep the Covid hoax alive so that your medical friends can make more money.

[Gyfts]

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But WHO was wrong, at the beginning, they were factoring the IFR, and not accounting for asymptomatic individuals, because they never got tested. So they produced a ratio, just as you did, but only using people that were "counted" as a case. They adjusted their numbers only after their initial guess of the Covid death rate when they could have used better data, not faulty Chinese data where they lie about their cases.

[Tash]

The covid go to side.
Updated daily, available in 39 languages everything you need to know about the plandemic
https://nojabforme.info/

If you know an individual who is complicit in the greatest crime against humanity and not listed report them
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[Mauser]

It's been almost 2 years since the outbreak and we still have no clarity of the corona outbreak. Why is there no international pressure towards scientists and China to finally get some answers? There are so many different theories out there how it all started, some more plausible than others. But without a team of international scientists who are independent and get full access to Wuhan it will never be answered.

[EdenHazard]

Quite the opposite.
Covid was here for a long time before any large number of people were infected.

what are you saying
it was here before it was here??
it was infecting people before it was infecting people?

let me guess you were a born before you were born. you were talking to your parents and then you want up into your mothers womb

sorry but real life doesnt work like that

seems you spend too much time in the sci-fi section

lol

that's sounds like words come from conspiracy theories die hard supporters.
i dol like those theories as an entertainment though but not to follow that up.

[Smitt]

In an effort to combat the Corona Virus pandemic, various countries in the world have taken a series of policies to protect their countries. So far, the most extreme policy taken is the lockdown. Lockdown policy means locking all access in and out of the country or region to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

The general public is also arranged in such a way as not to roam and crowd in public places. Several countries that have implemented lockdown policies are China, Italy, France, and Malaysia. The implementation of this policy certainly has its respective impacts and risks. And the risks and impacts are not small. Many sectors of people's lives have stopped operating. The city was quiet. Vehicle not
many more are back and forth on the road. Residents were also locked in their homes, in an effort to comply with social distancing and quarantine orders.

[Tash]

Quite the opposite.
Covid was here for a long time before any large number of people were infected.

I assume to referring to this

"Researchers find coronavirus was circulating in Italy in September 2019 | Article [AMP] | Reuters" https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN27W1J2

"Coronavirus traces found in March 2019 sewage sample, Spanish study shows | Article [AMP] | Reuters" https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN23X2HQ

In an effort to combat the Corona Virus plandemic,
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You have spelling error there

[shahzadafzal]

Are you ready guys??? It’s coming…

[franky1]

Here's what I am saying. There are many viruses in humans, even though there are only a few more than a couple hundred that might affect them.

Somebody got sick and died. The medical took some samples of snot, mucus, lung tissue, etc., from him and started separating some chunks (sequence snippets) of it out. Then they recombined these snippets like you put a puzzle together until they had something that looked like their description of what a virus should look like. They called it Covid, and said that this was what was making people sick and killing them... even though they never tested it on anyone by injecting it into him.

Since they had it, it was easy for all the other doctors to find the snippets of sequences and put them together until they had exactly the same configuration of the first creators... which creation they called, btw, isolation of the virus.

The point is that it doesn't matter if there are lockdowns or social distancing or not. Social distancing is simply a method for taking the eyes of the populace off the truth of the Covid fabrication. The deaths are from a particularly virulent batch of flu. The medical couldn't cure the flu no matter how they tried, so they invented the whole Covid hoax to make it look like they are doing something useful.

All you are doing, franky1, is trying to keep the Covid hoax alive so that your medical friends can make more money.

nope

you are wrong in every sentance you made
you know the links by now it might actually be worth you spending a few days to read them instead of spending months avoiding them and then asking for them..

you will find they took samples from many people with similar symptoms and where their xrays and scans showed same lung damage.
they then PCR tested the samples and found similarities
they also compared the sample to known previous viruses to find the familial ancestry
and realised it was a corona virus and not for instance HIV or eloba or zika

once knowing it was part of the corona family they then compared it more to samples of certain corona
and found it was less near the NE or the ME strains (the netherlands and mers) and found it was more near/similar to the 2002 sars strain.
but even this most similar was only 95%

this 5% differential is what made it novel and where the body is not already immune to it. its different enough to not be fought off quick. thus causing symptoms

they then injected it into other animals like mice, chimps, rodents, and see if those animals then showed symptoms... they did.. so they found the partical that caused the symptoms

they also used human cell cultures to see if it would do damage under the microscope they can witness with their eyes. .. and the seen it did too

they seen the corona shaped viruses go into a cell, replicate to the point the cell bursts open

and no they didnt just put mucus into animals/ testtubes. they actually used equipment(like the one you said last year needed to be used, (centrifuge)) as one but not the only separation method to separate out the materials until all thats kept is the stuff that looks like corona virus

what they also done was take mucus samples from people without virus symptoms. separate the parts to see if they too had these corona shaped things. and people without it didnt.
(dismissing and debunking your insane thoughts of whats injected is just human cells/exosomes)

you already admitted it passed the the koch postulum last year(check your memory and post history)
it has also passed the rivers.. and even the bell test.

so stop with your ignorant and forgetful brainfarts. and realise you got debunked over a year ago now.
so find a new topic to talk about

your dementia is not proof the world has not isolated it. your dementia is proof you forget you been debunked time and time again

[Gyfts]

Are you ready guys??? It’s coming…

I've been ready.

As I've said, Covid is not going away, people are just going to have to live with it. You can't inoculate every person in the world to cease SARS-CoV-2 mutations, so we all will get to live with Covid indefinitely.

I say this because there are people that exist who actually believe it's feasible to lockdown and mask up until the Covid case counter hits zero, it's never going to happen. So be prepared to see fear mongering hyperbole about how we are going to face the "nth" wave at time "X".