Coronavirus Outbreak

[franky1]

the thing is. they are not actualy doing track and trace on mainland UK. they have not asked people to download the app.. its still in the trial phase on the isle of wight.

yep 2 weeks ago they said they cant start track and trace because numbers too high. but now releasing the rules meaning the number may go up.. all while still not yet implementing the track and trace.

now people have the freedom to walk around town all day long or get in a car and travel anywhere around the UK. someone with it might be in london in the morning and in southampton by mid day.. and anyone visiting the petrol stations on the route and people in london and southamptom in the proximity of that person would need to be traced.
yes the app would have helped. but right now its just going to reply on human minds and manpower (traditional track and trace)
nightmare scenario because different regions with different teams would need to communicate..
easy to do on the isle of wight but tougher on the mainland in different counties

think about all the commuters from manchester and bristol that go to london and back each day.
its going to be tough to handle especially if they wait a few more weeks before asking people in UK to download the app that only works on latest models of iphone and android.

.. lets just see how this plays out

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[Cnut237]

its going to be tough to handle especially if they wait a few more weeks before asking people in UK to download the app that only works on latest models of iphone and android.

.. lets just see how this plays out

Very tough, yes. I do get the feeling that politicians shouldn't really be the ones in charge of the response to the pandemic. We have the R₀ safely below 1 at present across the UK. Now they might think that a small increase from say 0.8 to 1.2 isn't a big deal... but this would be a misunderstanding of how exponential progression works. Keeping it below 1 is absolutely crucial.

A quick calculation below, based on an initial 1,000 cases, shows that after 15 rounds of new infection, an R₀ of 0.8 results in 35 new infections, whereas an R₀ of 1.2 results in over 15,000...

[BADecker]

its going to be tough to handle especially if they wait a few more weeks before asking people in UK to download the app that only works on latest models of iphone and android.

.. lets just see how this plays out

Very tough, yes. I do get the feeling that politicians shouldn't really be the ones in charge of the response to the pandemic. We have the R₀ safely below 1 at present across the UK. Now they might think that a small increase from say 0.8 to 1.2 isn't a big deal... but this would be a misunderstanding of how exponential progression works. Keeping it below 1 is absolutely crucial.

A quick calculation below, based on an initial 1,000 cases, shows that after 15 rounds of new infection, an R₀ of 0.8 results in 35 new infections, whereas an R₀ of 1.2 results in over 15,000...

The medical certainly shouldn't be in charge. Why not? Because all the stats that show covid-19, including magnification of the virus in microscopes, don't conclusively show that it is Covid-19. Why not? Because so many other viruses look the same or similar, that they are probably fighting the common cold, SARS, MERS, and a host of other things, but simply saying that it is Covid-19.

This is shown over and over in many different ways by doctors all over. It's turning out the the doctors that are saying it is Covid-19 are in the tiny minority.

[franky1]

The medical certainly shouldn't be in charge. Why not? Because all the stats that show covid-19, including magnification of the virus in microscopes, don't conclusively show that it is Covid-19. Why not? Because so many other viruses look the same or similar, that they are probably fighting the common cold, SARS, MERS, and a host of other things, but simply saying that it is Covid-19.

This is shown over and over in many different ways by doctors all over. It's turning out the the doctors that are saying it is Covid-19 are in the tiny minority.

the idiot above has no clue as always.
they look at it under a microscope.. and then get the RNA of it and also look at the proteins and enzymes and they can tell the differences between all the different strains

this has been proven by many studies.
doctors are saying that only 1.5% of people have had it thus far. so no where even near herd immunity.
so that debunks your mantra that the storm is over.
this 1.5% = 5mill US citizens which is more than a hospital can cope with in a month

but if you think 5mill could get it every week. guess what you idiot. it would still take 60 months month for herd immunity.

so let that sit in your brain cell and realise all your hope for herd immunity is gone

[BADecker]

The medical certainly shouldn't be in charge. Why not? Because all the stats that show covid-19, including magnification of the virus in microscopes, don't conclusively show that it is Covid-19. Why not? Because so many other viruses look the same or similar, that they are probably fighting the common cold, SARS, MERS, and a host of other things, but simply saying that it is Covid-19.

This is shown over and over in many different ways by doctors all over. It's turning out the the doctors that are saying it is Covid-19 are in the tiny minority.

the idiot above has no clue as always.
they look at it under a microscope.. and then get the RNA of it and also look at the proteins and enzymes and they can tell the differences between all the different strains

this has been proven by many studies.
doctors are saying that only 1.5% of people have had it thus far. so no where even near herd immunity.
so that debunks your mantra that the storm is over.
this 1.5% = 5mill US citizens which is more than a hospital can cope with in a month

but if you think 5mill could get it every week. guess what you idiot. it would still take 60 months month for herd immunity.

so let that sit in your brain cell and realise all your hope for herd immunity is gone

Thanks, franky1.

Imagine that I am wrong about that. But guess how nay people have been accurately tested for Covid-19 according to the really knowledge of what the virus really seems to be. Very few. Accurate complex tests would almost include electron microscope viewing for each patient.

Why would testing like this be necessary? Because with anything less, tests would be so similar that there is no way to tell accurately that anybody has Covid-19.

However, if it happened to be a fact that someone was found to have Covid-19, guess what? He has tons of other Coronaviruses, as well as, thousands of other viruses. So, is it Covid-19 that is making him sick? Or is it something else? After all, if he is not sick, he has thousands to hundreds of thousands of viruses... and maybe even Covid-19 along with them all.

In other words, the whole focus of franky1, and the focus of the doctors working on the pandemic, is mostly in the wrong direction. What is the wrong direction? The wrong direction is to focus on one or two viruses, and if they exist, to say that they are the cause of the illness. Why is this wrong? Because there are hundreds of thousands of viruses that each of us has, and our own RNA looks like many of these viruses without very careful viewing. So to say this or that is the cause with only simple testing, is a dangerous lie.

We can see that franky1 either doesn't know what he is talking about, but more than likely is a proponent of world medical dictatorship.

[franky1]

The medical certainly shouldn't be in charge. Why not? Because all the stats that show covid-19, including magnification of the virus in microscopes, don't conclusively show that it is Covid-19. Why not? Because so many other viruses look the same or similar, that they are probably fighting the common cold, SARS, MERS, and a host of other things, but simply saying that it is Covid-19.

the idiot above has no clue as always.

Imagine that I am wrong about that. But guess how nay people have been accurately tested for Covid-19 according to the really knowledge of what the virus really seems to be. Very few. Accurate complex tests would almost include electron microscope viewing for each patient.

Why would testing like this be necessary? Because with anything less, tests would be so similar that there is no way to tell accurately that anybody has Covid-19.

imagine you are double wrong.. infact triple wrong
because. once doing all the lengthy tests. labs can find certain characteristics that are unique to covid19 that are not present in MERS/SARS.
and can actually be even better than just the human eye visual check.

all this stuff is covered in december/january science.. and i know you cannot quite grasp the concept that february, march april are in the past. i must now break it to you that we are now in May and alot of science has moved forward..

what you should also know that in the CDC 'provisional cases' talked about multiple times a few pages back.. the normal 'all cause death tally' always hovered around 57k a week most weeks of the year.
yet the amount of deaths of all causes increased. which showed some unusual above average event was killing more people then usual.
what you will also notice is that if you take the 4/4/2020 as just one example the covid TESTED amount was 8k. the total all causes deaths was higher by that amount.. and yet they still had other columns of influenza that did not go down or up. which shows they were still testing people for the normal stuff. and people were still getting the normal stuff and there was no mix up

because that week if doctors were mixing things up the 'covid deaths' would look like 13k by also containing the normal influenza and the other cause pneumonia aswell.. the normal pneumonia causes and normal influenza remained at same levels with pneumonia at ~4k and flu at ~500

there is a clear differential that shows they appear to be diagnosing correctly.
so when media was showing the public numbers for the week ending 4/4/2020 of ~8k and not ~13k it shows they were not just throwing everything into the covid category

[BADecker]

The medical certainly shouldn't be in charge. Why not? Because all the stats that show covid-19, including magnification of the virus in microscopes, don't conclusively show that it is Covid-19. Why not? Because so many other viruses look the same or similar, that they are probably fighting the common cold, SARS, MERS, and a host of other things, but simply saying that it is Covid-19.

the idiot above has no clue as always.

Imagine that I am wrong about that. But guess how nay people have been accurately tested for Covid-19 according to the really knowledge of what the virus really seems to be. Very few. Accurate complex tests would almost include electron microscope viewing for each patient.

Why would testing like this be necessary? Because with anything less, tests would be so similar that there is no way to tell accurately that anybody has Covid-19.

imagine you are double wrong.. infact triple wrong
because. once doing all the lengthy tests. labs can find certain characteristics that are unique to covid19 that are not present in MERS/SARS.
and can actually be even better than just the human eye visual check.

all this stuff is covered in december/january science.. and i know you cannot quite grasp the concept that february, march april are in the past. i must now break it to you that we are now in May and alot of science has moved forward..

what you should also know that in the CDC 'provisional cases' talked about multiple times a few pages back.. the normal 'all cause death tally' always hovered around 57k a week most weeks of the year.
yet the amount of deaths of all causes increased. which showed some unusual above average event was killing more people then usual.
what you will also notice is that if you take the 4/4/2020 as just one example the covid TESTED amount was 8k. the total all causes deaths was higher by that amount.. and yet they still had other columns of influenza that did not go down or up. which shows they were still testing people for the normal stuff. and people were still getting the normal stuff and there was no mix up

because that week if doctors were mixing things up the 'covid deaths' would look like 13k by also containing the normal influenza and the other cause pneumonia aswell.. the normal pneumonia causes and normal influenza remained at same levels with pneumonia at ~4k and flu at ~500

there is a clear differential that shows they appear to be diagnosing correctly.
so when media was showing the public numbers for the week ending 4/4/2020 of ~8k and not ~13k it shows they were not just throwing everything into the covid category

And here is where you're wrong. What doctors can do and what they did and what they are doing are 3 different things... and maybe 4 if you include lying.

Not only has the identification of any virus become possible since the mid 1980s, but the ability to cure any viral disease has been around since the mid 1990s.

This whole pandemic is BS because the medical - along with franky1 - doesn't want anybody to know that any viral disease can be easily cured. No money in cured people. franky1 out of a job.

[Gyfts]

Medical leaders want people to stay at home so that they get sicker. No money in a healthy and well person.

Given how America is already sick with obesity related illnesses, I can assure you many people are doing the work themselves in getting sicker.

[BADecker]

Medical leaders want people to stay at home so that they get sicker. No money in a healthy and well person.

Given how America is already sick with obesity related illnesses, I can assure you many people are doing the work themselves in getting sicker.

The obese are in the best shape for an extended lockdown/shutdown. They already have extra meat to live off while the rest of us starve.

[franky1]

The obese are in the best shape for an extended lockdown/shutdown. They already have extra meat to live off while the rest of us starve.

your not starving due to any civil rules.. it was you that decided to give up bacon last month. no one forced you to.
you can still go to wendys and buy a burger. but you declined. you can still go for a walk or play golf. but you declined.
it was YOUR decision. no one elses. and you admit to them all in this very forum

I'm fasting, or I would go eat some bacon.

[BADecker]

The obese are in the best shape for an extended lockdown/shutdown. They already have extra meat to live off while the rest of us starve.

your not starving du to any civil rules.. it was you that decided to give up bacon a couple months ago. no one forced you to.
you can still go to wendys and buy a burger. but you declined. you can still go for a walk or play golf. but you declined.
it was YOUR decision. no one elses. and you admit to them all in this very forum

But we all see that you are not declining your right to blab incoherently in this forum.

 

EDIT: Do I even have to tell you this? Seems you haven't figured it out on your own.

[franky1]

anyway
some idiots are also talking about the covid event is all about big pharma making profits over the next few years.
this too is false
usually big pharma get private investment to do R&D to create drugs/vaccines. and then patent them. and then licence them at huge profit to other institutions/countries

however this covid event is governments funding R&D where the R&D has to be accountable.(cost efficient) and when a solution is found. its then handed out without patents to other countries

its not some KFC secret ingredient game this time. its a 100 different institutions finding the perfect recipe and then giving everyone the ingredient list. it then up to each country to make it(again at efficient cost)

this vaccine plan is not going to be some large multibiliion dollar profit game for big pharma

as shown by even trump being happy that if UK's oxford institute gets a vaccine first. UK will happily give it to america

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WA Governor Never Said COVID-Test-Deniers Will Not Be Allowed To Leave Home To Get Groceries

“As far as refusal, it just shouldn’t come to that, and it really hasn’t. We’ve had really good success when we ask people to isolate, and they’ve done so in really high percentages, so we’re happy about that, and we believe that will continue. ” - Gov. Jay Inslee

It will come to that. You have fun slapping that 12 inch turd on a baguette and calling it a foot long sub sandwich. This is very obviously carefully worded aversion of the question designed to cover up the fact that anyone who doesn't submit to these totalitarian policies will lose their freedoms.


Lets keep pretending involuntary quarantines aren't happening now, let alone planned to be expanded in the future...

"Metro Parks has charged the man with a single count of escape from a penal institution, a class A misdemeanor. The statute that defines this crime makes no mention of it being used to enforce quarantine orders. When asked about the legal authority to make this arrest, the Metro Health Department cited a different section of law that classifies violating quarantine as a class B misdemeanor, which is a less serious offense."

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2020/05/08/coronavirus-patient-arrested-after-leaving-nashville-quarantine/3098005001/

This has nothing to do with protecting people. This is about controlling the population while they burn the economy down so it can be done with impunity. This process has been in the works for a long time. The virus is just the polish on the turd they are force feeding the population.

Countries (such as the UK) that are easing lockdowns without implementing track-and-trace procedures are actively encouraging people to catch the virus. Widespread testing and contact-tracing for anyone who exhibits symptoms is the only way to prevent a return to exponential growth of case numbers.

Why is the UK encouraging people to catch the virus? Because for the Conservative government, the people who will catch it are the poor, the expendable people. Those who can't work from home. Those who have to travel into a city centre and don't have private transport.

The aim is get the economy running again, with the added bonus of getting some expendable people infected and so boosting the herd immunity. Win-win for the rich. They couldn't care less if some poor people die...

Yes! Please daddy government trace our every move! Keep us in the warm embrace of your control grid! It is for our own good after all!

It is WAY past the time for these systems to have any kind of effectiveness even if you want to pretend this is not about stripping the last bits of freedoms and privacy humanity still retains. The only things these systems will acheive is to put everyone's faces under a boot stomping their faces perpetually by tracking our every move.

You pretend as if not being able to earn a living is not a problem for impoverished people. Rich people can afford to sit at home comfortably either way. These lock downs make it impossible for those people you claim to care about so much to provide for themselves and their family, and still isn't assurance of keeping them safe from infection regardless.

[johhnyUA]

Yes! Please daddy government trace our every move! Keep us in the warm embrace of your control grid! It is for our own good after all!

It is WAY past the time for these systems to have any kind of effectiveness even if you want to pretend this is not about stripping the last bits of freedoms and privacy humanity still retains. The only things these systems will acheive is to put everyone's faces under a boot stomping their faces perpetually by tracking our every move.

You pretend as if not being able to earn a living is not a problem for impoverished people. Rich people can afford to sit at home comfortably either way. These lock downs make it impossible for those people you claim to care about so much to provide for themselves and their family, and still isn't assurance of keeping them safe from infection regardless.

I will agree with you about dangerous which this pandemic brings to us. I mean total government control. For example, Greece trying to introduce "covid passports" which will show that person is immune to covid. This is some fucking cringe sheet. I mean they segregating into two parts, with different rights. And most people don't think how idiotic (not even idiotic, but some kind of Nazi stuff) it is , but rather "how to get such passport for me to go to vacation on Greece this year" (a friend of mine is one example)

The best way to control big mass of people it's of course fear

And yeah, fun fact: in 1958 and 1969 two previous pandemics which were the closest one to covid situation, there was no quarantine except banning public events and closing schools. Everything else were open! (like in Sweden right now)

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"Secret Employee Tracking Software & Bosses Forcing Workers To Keep Their Webcam On"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykw0NxB7kyc

[franky1]

Lets keep pretending involuntary quarantines aren't happening now, let alone planned to be expanded in the future...
https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2020/05/08/coronavirus-patient-arrested-after-leaving-nashville-quarantine/3098005001/

the fairground is a voluntary temporary medical facility when you sign in you form an agreement to folow the rules, which are
leave if you want if not sick... but if you show symptoms your tested and given a further form to sign.
the guy actually signed a form when being tested saying he will stay until further notice while they test him and release him when cleared.
he wasnt cleared

yep he signed into the agreement to stay
however later he thought it was just a 72hour hold and thought he could just leave. and so he did.

my personal opinion.
maybe the form should be wrote in basic bulletpoint form (we all seen different form/contracts/agreements which have loads of wordy terms and conditions not layed out plainly in our lives right)

but not reading terms/conditions doesnt absolve you of the agreement(phone contracts are the worse)

in short be careful what you agree to

[TECSHARE]

the fairground is a voluntary temporary medical facility when you sign in you form an agreement to folow the rules, which are
leave if you want if not sick... but if you show symptoms your tested and given a further form to sign.
the guy actually signed a form when being tested saying he will stay until further notice while they test him and release him when cleared.
he wasnt cleared

yep he signed into the agreement to stay
however later he thought it was just a 72hour hold and thought he could just leave. and so he did.

my personal opinion.
maybe the form should be wrote in basic bulletpoint form (we all seen different form/contracts/agreements which have loads of wordy terms and conditions not layed out plainly in our lives right)

but not reading terms/conditions doesnt absolve you of the agreement(phone contracts are the worse)

in short be careful what you agree to

No. You people might as well just install your goal posts onto a truck to make it easier to keep them moving.

"The case against a man arrested after police say he left an involuntary quarantine at the Nashville fairgrounds homeless shelter will continue after a judge declined to dismiss the charges Monday."

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2020/05/11/nashville-fairgrounds-quarantine-arrest-case-move-forward-against-man-who-left-shelter/3108443001/

[franky1]

research harder tecshare

the fairground is sectioned off..
on entering it. you sign a form that says while you stay you wil obay the rules and stay in your area, if your not sick you can leave. you wil be fed and given a bed and if drug dependant you will be given drug therapies to handle the withdrawal symptoms. if you are sick you agree to be tested
then when tested you sign that you agree to be tested and agree to be moved to the suspected/pending section where you have to stay.
and so on.

the guy actually admitted he signed an agreement to stay.. but later didnt realise it was longer than a 72hour hold. he actually admitted he messed up.
or didnt your research find that part

his words
'well heck im leaving this, coz i know im not supose to be here no more then 72 hours'
'i signed sumthin there, i signed it, but i dont remember what it says'

according to the health department it was a directive to quarantine until further notice
a community law advocacy team posted his bail and found housing for him where he is going to stay and not roam the streets and provided him with a phone to stay in regular contact with the health department

[BADecker]

anyway
some idiots are also talking about the covid event is all about big pharma making profits over the next few years.
this too is false
usually big pharma get private investment to do R&D to create drugs/vaccines. and then patent them. and then licence them at huge profit to other institutions/countries

however this covid event is governments funding R&D where the R&D has to be accountable.(cost efficient) and when a solution is found. its then handed out without patents to other countries

its not some KFC secret ingredient game this time. its a 100 different institutions finding the perfect recipe and then giving everyone the ingredient list. it then up to each country to make it(again at efficient cost)

this vaccine plan is not going to be some large multibiliion dollar profit game for big pharma

as shown by even trump being happy that if UK's oxford institute gets a vaccine first. UK will happily give it to america

How naive are you, or do you think we are? Big Pharma isn't getting grants to simply do the work they do. They are getting as much money from wherever they can get it. And once they develop working products, they sell them to get more money.

As far as the vaccine program goes, everybody knows that vaccines are there to activate the immune system. So, why do they have monkey and fetus tissue in them, along with formaldehyde and all kinds of other crap, if all they are supposed to do is show the immune system how to activate to fight a particular virus?

They are screwing with the immune systems of as many people as they can, to weaken them so that the next "Covid" can look like a plague of sorts. Vaccine messed immune systems can't easily protect a person from new diseases. More vaccines means more diseases which mean more vaccines which mean more diseases, and on and on. All of it means more money.

Wake up! Your beloved medical system is screwing you mentally (not that it is a difficult job in your case). Everybody has heard of Dr. Joseph Mercola and his attempts to move people towards nutrition. Watch him talk with Dr. Judy Mikovits in ways that even YOU can understand, so that you see that the process for easily developing cures for any virus were developed years ago. Watch https://www.bitchute.com/video/HEq7GA8YsBCq/.

There isn't any pandemic. The cures were essentially on the table before the virus came along. But these same cures are being used by the medical to weaken people so they will need a new cure shortly after the one for Covid. And now they want to get it mandated by government.

[TECSHARE]

research harder tecshare

the fairground is sectioned off..
on entering it. you sign a form that says while you stay you wil obay the rules and stay in your area, if your not sick you can leave. you wil be fed and given a bed and if drug dependant you will be given drug therapies to handle the withdrawal symptoms. if you are sick you agree to be tested
then when tested you sign that you agree to be tested and agree to be moved to the suspected/pending section where you have to stay.
and so on.

the guy actually admitted he signed an agreement to stay.. but later didnt realise it was longer than a 72hour hold. he actually admitted he messed up.
or didnt your research find that part

his words
'well heck im leaving this, coz i know im not supose to be here no more then 72 hours'
'i signed sumthin there, i signed it, but i dont remember what it says'

according to the health department it was a directive to quarantine until further notice
a community law advocacy team posted his bail and found housing for him where he is going to stay and not roam the streets and provided him with a phone to stay in regular contact with the health department

Weird, you keep telling me to research, yet I am the only one providing sources. You have the burden of proof, it is not my job to argue your point for you Spanky. I thought you might be able to use this to make your job easier...