Coronavirus Outbreak

[Gyfts]

No no, you're right I absolutely did not read that one article you linked because I figured it'd be a waste of time, and in fact it was! I've already tried to see if there was any decent research about there on masks, there isn't any. There are laboratory replications and then "meta analysis" case type studies.

These weren't laboratory studies.  They were real world studies.  If you read the article, I don't think you would have said what you did.

They are *case* studies. All that means is that they take data that is already produced and then try to make sense of it. This is different from a scientific experiment where you conduct an experimental assay, record the data, and then analyze the data.
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You are leaving out one critical part of a rigorous study; the protocols.

It should be the case that a study is designed around a hypothesis.  The details of how the study is to be performed are known as the study protocols.  They should be agreed upon ahead of time.  The agreement should be between interested parties ('stakeholders' is the current buzzword).  The protocols should define exactly how the study is to be performed and what the observations lead to what understandings.  aka 'interpenetration.'

If the protocols are changed after the study begins it should be terminated and started over from scratch.

Science is like a chain being only as strong as it's weakest link.  That's what the whole 'citations' things is all about.  Any paper predicated on citations from a study which was not performed correctly and honestly is subject to itself become damaged.  That's why it is so important that 'scientists' be neutral and honest.  Unfortunatly that car crashed into the weeds a long time ago and we entered the new dark ages of 'scientism'.

  https://www.corbettreport.com/the-crisis-of-science/

See, the protocols of some of these studies aren't even that useful in the real world. Even if they change them for whatever reason, it's not like we learn anything from the start.

What do we learn from a meta analysis where they examine COVID confirmed fatality rate? Do we actually learn what the fatality rate of COVID is? No, not unless you take into account the general age of the population, other confounding variables, and then take the data and cross reference it to other data. I remember when researchers tried to use China's numbers to try and determine the fatality rate of Covid. No matter what the protocols (aka experimental basis), the results don't mean anything.

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[franky1]

well if people are talking about the covid death numbers.

its simple
take the number of people dying within reasonable time of testing positive for covid. WHO HAD THE SYMPTOMS

then look at all mortality death.
and separately look at the 2 separate data points

what you will find is if the all mortality rate went up. and the only common denominator change to the environment was covid

and then when you look at the covid death numbers and realise their spikes and dips fit into the EXCESS death numbers neatly.

you start to see that covid did cause more deaths than normal

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if covid cause zero deaths and it was just a error of reporting cause of normal deaths.. there would not be excess deaths. .. nor would there be a pattern between the excess deaths and the new event

but reality shows that there was excess deaths and that coincided with covid deaths being the cause of the uptick rise in deaths.. thus covid does cause deaths.

and once you have analysed the data..
then you can go ask the doctors on ICU wards.
then will give you witness testimony that people were dying due to infections in their lungs and not something else.. like excess gun shootings.
yep ICU were not filled with excess gun shooting victims. they were filled with lung infection patients
who subsequently died.

thus adding to the proof that covid causes deaths

[Gyfts]

well if people are talking about the covid death numbers.

its simple
take the number of people dying within reasonable time of testing positive for covid. WHO HAD THE SYMPTOMS

then look at all mortality death.
and separately look at the 2 separate data points

what you will find is if the all mortality rate went up. and the only common denominator change to the environment was covid

and then when you look at the covid death numbers and realise their spikes and dips fit into the EXCESS death numbers neatly.

you start to see that covid did cause more deaths than normal

..
if covid cause zero deaths and it was just a error of reporting cause of normal deaths.. there would not be excess deaths. .. nor would there be a pattern between the excess deaths and the new event

but reality shows that there was excess deaths and that coincided with covid deaths being the cause of the uptick rise in deaths.. thus covid does cause deaths.

and once you have analysed the data..
then you can go ask the doctors on ICU wards.
then will give you witness testimony that people were dying due to infections in their lungs and not something else.. like excess gun shootings.
yep ICU were not filled with excess gun shooting victims. they were filled with lung infection patients
who subsequently died.

thus adding to the proof that covid causes deaths

No one is doubting that Covid causes deaths (except for the crazies, but no one takes them seriously anyways). The point I was making was when the early studies came out on the Covid fatality rate, there was no sense in taking them seriously because their data wasn't even accurate to begin with.

If you take any experimental procedure for any study and start with a false premise (for example, like working with data that isn't accurate), the study's worthless from the start.

So it's easy to pull out whatever study you want, no matter what the topic is. Not all studies are created equal.

[BADecker]

well if people are talking about the covid death numbers.

its simple
take the number of people dying within reasonable time of testing positive for covid. WHO HAD THE SYMPTOMS

then look at all mortality death.
and separately look at the 2 separate data points

what you will find is if the all mortality rate went up. and the only common denominator change to the environment was covid

and then when you look at the covid death numbers and realise their spikes and dips fit into the EXCESS death numbers neatly.

you start to see that covid did cause more deaths than normal

..
if covid cause zero deaths and it was just a error of reporting cause of normal deaths.. there would not be excess deaths. .. nor would there be a pattern between the excess deaths and the new event

but reality shows that there was excess deaths and that coincided with covid deaths being the cause of the uptick rise in deaths.. thus covid does cause deaths.

and once you have analysed the data..
then you can go ask the doctors on ICU wards.
then will give you witness testimony that people were dying due to infections in their lungs and not something else.. like excess gun shootings.
yep ICU were not filled with excess gun shooting victims. they were filled with lung infection patients
who subsequently died.

thus adding to the proof that covid causes deaths

No one is doubting that Covid causes deaths (except for the crazies, but no one takes them seriously anyways). The point I was making was when the early studies came out on the Covid fatality rate, there was no sense in taking them seriously because their data wasn't even accurate to begin with.

If you take any experimental procedure for any study and start with a false premise (for example, like working with data that isn't accurate), the study's worthless from the start.

So it's easy to pull out whatever study you want, no matter what the topic is. Not all studies are created equal.

Stop taking vitamin C and you will get scurvy, which will kill you in later stages. Stop getting your vitamin B1, and you will get beriberi, which will kill you in its later stages.

Start taking, daily, 3 grams of vitamin C + 60 mg of zinc + 50,000 units of vitamin D, and you will probably never get sick from Covid.

Covid is just like scurvy and beriberi. It's a form of malnutrition. Get your nutrition up, thereby making yourself healthy, and Covid won't bother you, maybe to not even get sick from it.

Forget all this blab about a silly disease that is based in malnutrition.

[franky1]

even a so called useless study can have a use,
but like i said . it needs context. and something to compare it to. to help validate it

yes in feb/march Us/UK was not good at testing people.
but thats not to say testing was useless

it was purposefully limited to the sickest people with symptoms to identify what they had to then suggest how to treat them and what to expect as possible symptom progression

yes useless as a stat for community spread as it wasnt used for community testing of pre-symp. asymp or mild symptomatic people in the community.

but by testying those entering hospital atleast had some use to know what was causing their ailments and symptoms that then progressed and in some cases caused death which then allowed them to know the cause of death from entering thte hospital until last breath.

as long as you can understand the contest and limitation of a study you can still find useful info from it.

however yes there are other studies.. where idiots like tvbcof dont understand the context. heck they dont even read half of the study. they just take abstracts of exerts from a study that fills their biased view and fits their narrative.

they call it their science. when its funny how they dont even understand the science to actually know the context of what they read.

take tvbcof the other day he found some leaflet talking about vaccines with saRNA. but he didnt read it or check it in detail to realise the vaccine that went through the trials and then publicly used had a name with b2. yet he was adement that people were being injected with c2.
simply because he didnt ready the studies properly.. and now he is trying to blame science for his dyslexia

[BADecker]

even a so called useless study can have a use,
but like i said . it needs context. and something to compare it to. to help validate it

yes in feb/march Us/UK was not good at testing people.
but thats not to say testing was useless

it was purposefully limited to the sickest people with symptoms to identify what they had to then suggest how to treat them and what to expect as possible symptom progression

yes useless as a stat for community spread as it wasnt used for community testing of pre-symp. asymp or mild symptomatic people in the community.

but by testying those entering hospital atleast had some use to know what was causing their ailments and symptoms that then progressed and in some cases caused death which then allowed them to know the cause of death from entering thte hospital until last breath.

as long as you can understand the contest and limitation of a study you can still find useful info from it.

however yes there are other studies.. where idiots like tvbcof dont understand the context. heck they dont even read half of the study. they just take abstracts of exerts from a study that fills their biased view and fits their narrative.

they call it their science. when its funny how they dont even understand the science to actually know the context of what they read.

take tvbcof the other day he found some leaflet talking about vaccines with saRNA. but he didnt read it or check it in detail to realise the vaccine that went through the trials and then publicly used had a name with b2. yet he was adement that people were being injected with c2.
simply because he didnt ready the studies properly.. and now he is trying to blame science for his dyslexia

Have you ever noticed that tvbcof does a reasonably good job of following what you say? Reading medical test reports is nothing compared with trying to understand you. Do you think, maybe, that it might be you who doesn't understand the medical test reports? I mean, isn't that part of why you were escorted out of the medical in the first place?

[franky1]

tvbcof doesnt do the research

he scouts conspiracy sites and known idiots on twitter and just rehashes what they say without checking..
he is one step above you because you only quote the same main sites over and over and even after a year you still advertise the same false crap without even taking 10 minutes out of your life to even check if what you say has any validity.

tvbcof is tame compared to you. but he still fails alot
take the saRNA stuff
he was quoting crap about vaccine replication. using the same dumb terminology as idiots.

it was me that was telling people that to replicate it needs mRNA to be combined with saRNA
and he spent months trying to find atleast something that mentions saRNA in conjunction to vaccines.. but he didnt take a lil extra time to check if what he found had any validity towards the vaccine that is publicly being used

a prime example of your idiotic repeats..
you keep using the stupid silly buzzword 'chemtrail' but you have no clue and its obvious.
if you bothered to even take my hint months ago of 'cloud seeding' which is the technical term. then maybe you could have taken yourself in a more modern and uptodate path that atleast sounds like your not an idiot that just repeats other peoples nonsense

yep each time you say chemtrail. you are just showing you know nothing and you dont even do any research or understand the subject matter you pretend to talk about

[Gyfts]

Concerns of black fungus in India tied to COVID outbreak - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/8/black-fungus-new-scare-in-india-as-second-covid-wave-ebbs

No evidence that this is spreading to other countries as of yet, and they're still investigating this -- but it's worth mentioning that India already has insane amounts of poverty tied with very bad hygiene. I didn't really expect them to get a grip with Covid until the damage was already done, which includes new strains originating and spreading, along with other conditions like this "black fungus" fiasco.

[BADecker]

tvbcof doesnt do the research

he scouts conspiracy sites and known idiots on twitter and just rehashes what they say without checking..
he is one step above you because you only quote the same main sites over and over and even after a year you still advertise the same false crap without even taking 10 minutes out of your life to even check if what you say has any validity.

tvbcof is tame compared to you. but he still fails alot
take the saRNA stuff
he was quoting crap about vaccine replication. using the same dumb terminology as idiots.

it was me that was telling people that to replicate it needs mRNA to be combined with saRNA
and he spent months trying to find atleast something that mentions saRNA in conjunction to vaccines.. but he didnt take a lil extra time to check if what he found had any validity towards the vaccine that is publicly being used

a prime example of your idiotic repeats..
you keep using the stupid silly buzzword 'chemtrail' but you have no clue and its obvious.
if you bothered to even take my hint months ago of 'cloud seeding' which is the technical term. then maybe you could have taken yourself in a more modern and uptodate path that atleast sounds like your not an idiot that just repeats other peoples nonsense

yep each time you say chemtrail. you are just showing you know nothing and you dont even do any research or understand the subject matter you pretend to talk about

Anybody can pick a point and look at some research about it. The thing where tvbcof has you beat all over the place is, he looks at the combined research of much of everything, and sees that your kind of research is always taken out of real-world context. You almost don't have a clue about what is really going on in the real world.

[Gyfts]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/11/delta-variant-is-linked-to-90-of-covid-cases-in-uk

Delta variant Coronavirus outbreak in the UK - Data shows that roughly a 3rd of all ER visits had at least one dose of a vaccine, a lesser percentage of those that visited the ER were fully vaccinated.

Significance of this is that the vaccine appears to be vulnerable to the Delta variant, to some degree, but you reduce your chances of being susceptible to the Delta variant by being fully vaccinated. Previous variants held up pretty good to variants, but this variant has the potential of getting out of hand very quickly.

[BADecker]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/11/delta-variant-is-linked-to-90-of-covid-cases-in-uk

Delta variant Coronavirus outbreak in the UK - Data shows that roughly a 3rd of all ER visits had at least one dose of a vaccine, a lesser percentage of those that visited the ER were fully vaccinated.

Significance of this is that the vaccine appears to be vulnerable to the Delta variant, to some degree, but you reduce your chances of being susceptible to the Delta variant by being fully vaccinated. Previous variants held up pretty good to variants, but this variant has the potential of getting out of hand very quickly.

But the really neat thing about all that^ is, when something comes along that your super-enhanced immune system recognizes as a super-target, it will use all it's energy to fight the super-target. It won't let anything get in its way... not even itself. You'll be dead.

[Tzupy]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/11/delta-variant-is-linked-to-90-of-covid-cases-in-uk

Delta variant Coronavirus outbreak in the UK - Data shows that roughly a 3rd of all ER visits had at least one dose of a vaccine, a lesser percentage of those that visited the ER were fully vaccinated.

Significance of this is that the vaccine appears to be vulnerable to the Delta variant, to some degree, but you reduce your chances of being susceptible to the Delta variant by being fully vaccinated. Previous variants held up pretty good to variants, but this variant has the potential of getting out of hand very quickly.

It's not 90%, but >96% today, and preliminary data shows it's 64% more infectious, and 84% more pathogenic, than the Kent variant.
Big Pharma should ASAP deploy new vaccines, effective at combating the spread of the newest variants. Effective not just at preventing hospitalisation,
this is not enough, effective at reducing the spread. And all existing vaccines, which are useless at reducing the spread, should be immediately discontinued,
except for vulnerable people. The ineffective vaccines only serve as a selection mechanism for increased immune evasion.

[Tash]

Heros in the making
https://rumble.com/vd2y2j-banned-from-youtube-dr.-simone-gold-shares-the-truth-about-the-covid-19-vac.html

[Gyfts]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/11/delta-variant-is-linked-to-90-of-covid-cases-in-uk

Delta variant Coronavirus outbreak in the UK - Data shows that roughly a 3rd of all ER visits had at least one dose of a vaccine, a lesser percentage of those that visited the ER were fully vaccinated.

Significance of this is that the vaccine appears to be vulnerable to the Delta variant, to some degree, but you reduce your chances of being susceptible to the Delta variant by being fully vaccinated. Previous variants held up pretty good to variants, but this variant has the potential of getting out of hand very quickly.

It's not 90%, but >96% today, and preliminary data shows it's 64% more infectious, and 84% more pathogenic, than the Kent variant.
Big Pharma should ASAP deploy new vaccines, effective at combating the spread of the newest variants. Effective not just at preventing hospitalisation,
this is not enough, effective at reducing the spread. And all existing vaccines, which are useless at reducing the spread, should be immediately discontinued,
except for vulnerable people. The ineffective vaccines only serve as a selection mechanism for increased immune evasion.

The vaccine isn't useless, *yet*.

In fact, the vaccine's been great against most variants. What people don't realize is that variants don't really become variants because of a survivorship bias.

Meaning, Sars-Cov-2 can mutate, aka become a variant, spread to a vaxed person, but then the vaxed person combats this variant and we never end up hearing about it because the vaccine was effective and the variant doesn't spread.

So we only hear about the variants that end up spreading due to either a lack of herd immunity or because the variant truly puts up a fight against the vaccine.

So basically, vaccine is still working as of now.

The theory some might argue is that COVID becomes seasonable, and in that case the vaccine would become useless, and they would need to make one every year just like the flu.

[BADecker]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/11/delta-variant-is-linked-to-90-of-covid-cases-in-uk

Delta variant Coronavirus outbreak in the UK - Data shows that roughly a 3rd of all ER visits had at least one dose of a vaccine, a lesser percentage of those that visited the ER were fully vaccinated.

Significance of this is that the vaccine appears to be vulnerable to the Delta variant, to some degree, but you reduce your chances of being susceptible to the Delta variant by being fully vaccinated. Previous variants held up pretty good to variants, but this variant has the potential of getting out of hand very quickly.

It's not 90%, but >96% today, and preliminary data shows it's 64% more infectious, and 84% more pathogenic, than the Kent variant.
Big Pharma should ASAP deploy new vaccines, effective at combating the spread of the newest variants. Effective not just at preventing hospitalisation,
this is not enough, effective at reducing the spread. And all existing vaccines, which are useless at reducing the spread, should be immediately discontinued,
except for vulnerable people. The ineffective vaccines only serve as a selection mechanism for increased immune evasion.

The vaccine isn't useless, *yet*.

In fact, the vaccine's been great against most variants. What people don't realize is that variants don't really become variants because of a survivorship bias.

Meaning, Sars-Cov-2 can mutate, aka become a variant, spread to a vaxed person, but then the vaxed person combats this variant and we never end up hearing about it because the vaccine was effective and the variant doesn't spread.

So we only hear about the variants that end up spreading due to either a lack of herd immunity or because the variant truly puts up a fight against the vaccine.

So basically, vaccine is still working as of now.

The theory some might argue is that COVID becomes seasonable, and in that case the vaccine would become useless, and they would need to make one every year just like the flu.

No. With only 50,000 to 500,000 dead from the vaccines in the US, the vaccines aren't useless, yet.

[Tash]

The virus will not attack when seated.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1404555347172368389

also make sure you in close proximity to each other (presenting strenght in number) virus will look for week target instead

[BADecker]

Look at what the fake Covid is doing to us. It's making us so fearful, that we are injecting ourselves with a vaccine that will surely kill us.


Autopsy of vaccinated patient shows spike protein in his organs as possible cause of death

The mRNA contained in the vaccine was programmed to remain at the injection site, but it did not.  Therefore, it is assumed that the spike protein is also in those organs, apparently confirming the risks raised in a study conducted in Japan, the Hal Turner Radio Show alternative media outlet noted on June 13.

From the opinion of an infectious disease specialist at a hospital in New Jersey, who analyzed the autopsy report and preferred to remain anonymous for fear of reprisals for his statements, these results would imply a "global time bomb," possibly wiping out a large portion of vaccinated people.

"People think that only a minority of people get adverse effects from the vaccine. Based on this new research, it means that everyone— eventually—will have adverse effects, because those spike proteins will be binding to ACE2 receptors everywhere in the body," he explained.

He added, "That mRNA was supposed to stay in the injection site and it's not.  That means the spike proteins created by the mRNA will be in every organ as well, and we now know it is the spike proteins that do the damage."

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[franky1]

seriously.
if a mortician done an autopsy but hid his findings from the medical board. that doctor should lose his licence no matter what the results are

so if you want to play games with your silly conspiracy sites saying an anonymous doctor found something odd.. but has told absolutely no one apart from a conspiracy site.. and offered no proof to anyone.
its very strange you automatically believe something with no proof from someone not proved to be having any experience in what they talk about. .. yet you deny other things that do have proof

. its more likely its not a real mortician but instead an idiot liar pretending to be a doctor but not wanting to supply any proof

real morticians would actually make reports of findings. no matter what. they have an oath.

i understand you believe your male masseuse has lied to you while roleplaying as doctor, lying about loving you and so broke your heart. i understand it must have been heartbreaking when he said he wont bubble with you when 2020 lockdown first began

but i dont see how you can now make up BS about the real medical system by believing ex-doctors that have retired and lied their way through getting paid on the convention speech tours.

i find it irrational how after 18 months you are ass-kissing liars rather than wanting to find the real truth
you seem very blind when it comes to your conspiracy sites influencers. you cant even use common sense to work out whats really happenening, you just use blind admiration for your conspiracy sites.

[tvbcof]

seriously.
if a mortician done an autopsy but hid his findings from the medical board. that doctor should lose his licence no matter what the results are
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Yup.  That's a big part of how the game is played.  The corp/gov gene therapy side owns the media, the regulators, and most critically, the trade organizations which license medical professionals.  So, if as a medico you don't play ball, you lose your license and exit the industry.  That's a pretty big loss for most licensed MD's, PhD's, pharmacists, etc.

The only people who have some freedom to speak out or retired people, or ones who's credentials and reputation are so strong that they can take the heat.  A Nobel prize under one's belt goes a long way which is why we see so many top notch people speaking out.  Even here one must have an extraordinary degree of bravery.

I might add that I very rarely see any detailed presentations by any esteemed individuals on the pro-vax side.  All we seem to get are vague assertions by the media that 'doctors say...'.  Sometimes we here a little two minute blurb from TV doctors, but even then it is totally worthless general 'vax good, tech good' statements which doesn't even scratch the surface of the questions that thinking people have.  Never will the pro-vax 'doctors' debate or respond to the very real questions and observations of the real scientists.

Note that in the global warming situation they tried to have a public debate a decade or two ago.  The climate hucksters got their balls hammered flat.  The huckster strategy abruptly shifted to 'Don't engage the other side.  Period.'.  That has worked a lot better for them.  They started out with this lesson learned for the covid-19 scamdemic.

[BADecker]

^^^ In addition, did he hide his findings until now? The medical, the government, and the media are in the habit of shutting down the info that is against their game plan, even if they don't shut the man down.