Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tash]

On the other hand, COVID is a new variant that usually needs years of research before vaccines be made,

Before vaccine can be made virus must exist, all what is available is computer generated junk injected into ignorant participants with unknow consequence or long term effects.

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Also, experimenting in nature is the very reason why we have electricity, powerplants, wifi, etc.

Headache generation eyesore...

[Gyfts]

Jesus Christ Andrew Cuomo...

So we have him lying about COVID Nursing home deaths which is a huge scandal on its own. Under reported thousands of deaths knowingly, allegedly.

And now here is the cherry on top: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lindsey-boylan-andrew-cuomo-sexual-harrassment-claims/

Cuomo was praised for his handling of COVID, and I remember there was some talk about him being the democratic nominee because of it. It's so weird to see his collapse. He botched COVID, and he might have been involved in sexual harassments. Great...

[franky1]

On the other hand, COVID is a new variant that usually needs years of research before vaccines be made,

Before vaccine can be made virus must exist, all what is available is computer generated junk injected into ignorant participants with unknow consequence or long term effects.

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Also, experimenting in nature is the very reason why we have electricity, powerplants, wifi, etc.

Headache generation eyesore...

tash is a technology denialist. seems he hates computers and electric.... (whilst using computers and electric to display his hate)

tash is treehugger 2.0. hates seeing trees cut down.. (displays his hate on a WOODEN placard)

[Natsuu]

On the other hand, COVID is a new variant that usually needs years of research before vaccines be made,

Before vaccine can be made virus must exist, all what is available is computer generated junk injected into ignorant participants with unknow consequence or long term effects.

Oh still in-denial, and believing that the virus is "computer generated"? For real huh.

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Also, experimenting in nature is the very reason why we have electricity, powerplants, wifi, etc.

Headache generation eyesore...

OKAY, BOOMER!

[Nikola95]

Good luck for we are free from coronavirus a lot of part.Now maximum people have to get ride from this virus so bless to God.But we should be aware of this too.May be it’s the biggest challenge to Against Corona and luckily we can get ride of this.

We are not free from corona virus until 70% people take vaccine. We might be free from corona virus when 70% people will take vaccine for 2nd time. And I think it is long farr. It may take about or more than a year. So, we are still on too much risk for corona virus.

I think Europe and US will vaccinate 70% of population until the end of this year. When it comes to rest of the world... Highly unlikely. Not just Africa but South America will be problem. Atleast some countries. Hope that UN will create some funds and urge companies that produce vaccines that these countries can reach reasonable amount of vaccinated people at the end od 2022 atleast.

[Gyfts]

Andrew Cuomo, (reminder he wrote a book about how he handled COVID so well), now faces *another* sexual assault allegation.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/third-woman-accuses-cuomo

Stepping back and evaluating his COVID policy, it clearly was a disaster. But I'm surprised he turned out to be a creep with now 3 women accusing him of sexually harassing them or at the least, being inappropriate. He should resign based on his nursing home scandal, let alone this.

[Tash]

Death Rates Skyrocket in Israel Following Pfizer Experimental COVID “Vaccines”
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/03/no_author/death-rates-skyrocket-in-israel-following-pfizer-experimental-covid-vaccines/

[Gyfts]

Death Rates Skyrocket in Israel Following Pfizer Experimental COVID “Vaccines”
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/03/no_author/death-rates-skyrocket-in-israel-following-pfizer-experimental-covid-vaccines/

Not true at all: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n567

Vaccine has caused hospitalizations to go down, deaths, cases, everything.

Israel should be a model for the UK and the US considering their death rates are one of the worst, relatively speaking. This isn't the only study, they found the vaccine almost completely eliminated severe cases of COVID, and it turns out more younger people are dying from the virus compared to older people in Israel because they have done the best job in vaccinating the most vulnerable. Since elders are protected, the stats tend to shift and more young people will die (obviously not at the rate of older people).

[Tash]

Death Rates Skyrocket in Israel Following Pfizer Experimental COVID “Vaccines”
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/03/no_author/death-rates-skyrocket-in-israel-following-pfizer-experimental-covid-vaccines/

Not true at all: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n567

Vaccine has caused hospitalizations to go down, deaths, cases, everything.

Israel should be a model for the UK and the US considering their death rates are one of the worst, relatively speaking. This isn't the only study, they found the vaccine almost completely eliminated severe cases of COVID, and it turns out more younger people are dying from the virus compared to older people in Israel because they have done the best job in vaccinating the most vulnerable. Since elders are protected, the stats tend to shift and more young people will die (obviously not at the rate of older people).

Oh dear me
New Analysis: Pfizer Vaccine Killed ‘About 40 Times More Elderly Than the Disease Itself Would Have Killed’
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/israel-pfizer-vaccine-killed-more-elderly-than-covid/

[franky1]

Death Rates Skyrocket in Israel Following Pfizer Experimental COVID “Vaccines”
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/03/no_author/death-rates-skyrocket-in-israel-following-pfizer-experimental-covid-vaccines/

if tash clicked the links.. they explain
the analysis is that in the one month from december when vaccines began. the number of people dying from covid did not go down. and instead was continuing to climb. so they attributed that to the vaccine as the cause of the rise

funny part is that those dying in december-january to cause a rise were already sick in hospital for that month. meaning their deaths could not have been prevented.
yep people can take 60 days from an infection to death.. they can occupy hospitals for much of that time
yep if they died in december-january. most of them got covid before mid-december

yep if you have a gunshot massacre on a monday. and have hundreds of people in hospital slowly dying dor the next month.
declaring a law to make guns illegal on tuesday and removing guns on wednesday-saturday. wont help those already in hospital from mondays shooting
so proclaiming a gun ban the following week didnt work because gun deaths still occured at the weekend is short sighted and wrong

Our reanalyses of these data explain why during the massive vaccination project initiated mid-December 2020 during a confinement, daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases failed to decrease as they do during confinements, and, more importantly, why numbers of serious, critical, and death cases increased during that period that covered at least one month.

most of the people vaccinated in december wont even have built up immunity until january.
so the 'period of one month analysis' is pointless

the amount of people immunised in december was not sufficient for herd immunity in december or january.
those already sick in december were obviously not immunised as the vaccine was not released in <november for them to even have a chance of becoming immune

so if tash actual read the details. he would see that the details debunk themselves

[Gyfts]

Death Rates Skyrocket in Israel Following Pfizer Experimental COVID “Vaccines”
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/03/no_author/death-rates-skyrocket-in-israel-following-pfizer-experimental-covid-vaccines/

Not true at all: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n567

Vaccine has caused hospitalizations to go down, deaths, cases, everything.

Israel should be a model for the UK and the US considering their death rates are one of the worst, relatively speaking. This isn't the only study, they found the vaccine almost completely eliminated severe cases of COVID, and it turns out more younger people are dying from the virus compared to older people in Israel because they have done the best job in vaccinating the most vulnerable. Since elders are protected, the stats tend to shift and more young people will die (obviously not at the rate of older people).

Oh dear me
New Analysis: Pfizer Vaccine Killed ‘About 40 Times More Elderly Than the Disease Itself Would Have Killed’
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/israel-pfizer-vaccine-killed-more-elderly-than-covid/

Your source cites forum boards and their "analysis". Mind presenting me the raw data which actually shows the increase in deaths? Your source talks about there being an increase in deaths per 100k among the elderly, and says "This is to be compared to the 4.91 dead among 100,000 dying from COVID-19 without vaccination.”.

Where is the raw data for this? Not a citation to a forum post, because if we're doing that then I would just cite myself for anything I say, the credibility would be the same.

[Tash]

Death Rates Skyrocket in Israel Following Pfizer Experimental COVID “Vaccines”
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/03/no_author/death-rates-skyrocket-in-israel-following-pfizer-experimental-covid-vaccines/

Not true at all: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n567

Vaccine has caused hospitalizations to go down, deaths, cases, everything.

Israel should be a model for the UK and the US considering their death rates are one of the worst, relatively speaking. This isn't the only study, they found the vaccine almost completely eliminated severe cases of COVID, and it turns out more younger people are dying from the virus compared to older people in Israel because they have done the best job in vaccinating the most vulnerable. Since elders are protected, the stats tend to shift and more young people will die (obviously not at the rate of older people).

Oh dear me
New Analysis: Pfizer Vaccine Killed ‘About 40 Times More Elderly Than the Disease Itself Would Have Killed’
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/israel-pfizer-vaccine-killed-more-elderly-than-covid/

Your source cites forum boards and their "analysis". Mind presenting me the raw data which actually shows the increase in deaths? Your source talks about there being an increase in deaths per 100k among the elderly, and says "This is to be compared to the 4.91 dead among 100,000 dying from COVID-19 without vaccination.”.

Where is the raw data for this? Not a citation to a forum post, because if we're doing that then I would just cite myself for anything I say, the credibility would be the same.

Heck in days like this a forum is a good as any news side.
Did you even bother to read anything?
They have three sources of information, besides the emails and adverse event reports they receive through the Internet.
These three sources are Israeli news site Ynet, the Israeli Health Ministry database, and the U.S. federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database

[franky1]

and as said those sources are based on mid december-mid jan data
meaning the deaths they count are attributed to people who were admitted to hospital before mid december
meaning no vaccine for them.. too late for them

meaning the vaccine did not kill them as they already had covid.

meaning the vaccine given in mid december+ with a few weeks to actually immunise means that vaccine people are immune as of mid january and thus not part of the death study/infection study

yep those sick before mid december died due to covid and were going to die due to covid even if completely other people elsewhere had the vaccine

those having the vaccine did not die but also did not dampen down the covid deaths because they were having the vaccine after those about to die got covid

just use some common sense

[Tash]

Scientific Papers/Doc s/links for SARS-COV-2,   COVID-19
https://fos-sa.org/scientific-papers-doc-s/

[Gyfts]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/europe/united-kingdom-coronavirus-cases.html

Look at the steep decline in the COVID daily case rate. Vaccines WORK because they create herd immunity. You vaccinate the elderly population and to no one's surprise, the death rate begins to decline. If you look at the US chart, you see the same steep decline. From what I've read, Texas is now fully open in the US meaning that no more mask mandates and businesses can operate at full capacity. Perhaps we are rounding the corner of the COVID pandemic after all.

[franky1]

Scientific Papers/Doc s/links for SARS-COV-2,   COVID-19
https://fos-sa.org/scientific-papers-doc-s/

no surprise. a website that was made last year purely to critisize.. so before clicking the 'papers' im going to guess its mostly crap about opinions of why social distancing should not have happened.

edit
ok first one.
a guy quotes a congress meeting about the estimates of fatality from covid. saying that someone somewhere overestimate that covid would kill 10x influenza.
so lets see the 2018-2019 season had 32k influenza deaths.. well then lets see if covid had over 320k..
.. oh look it did. so it appears the estimates were right.

second link
a guy critiquing the PCR test.. funny part is they have isolated the virus. and even funnier is the PCR test is not just testing the RNA inside the virus. but also the envelop and the spike as part of the PCR.
yep they are not relying on a sequence given by china. many countries done independant sampling and found covid all by themselves. and then compared results with other independant countries.
even today they got so good at it they can trace the new strains

third link
title says it all.. yep that conspiracy buzzword plandemic..

ok seems these links are not science. but opinion pieces by 'rent-a-doc' types that get paid to put thier name against crap that has no foundational merit

moving on

[BADecker]

Scientific Papers/Doc s/links for SARS-COV-2,   COVID-19
https://fos-sa.org/scientific-papers-doc-s/

moving on

You can't move on. You are locked down in your basement, remember?

[Vatimins]

     In all honesty, I really don't understand what's happening anymore. I thought 2021 would be a better year but instead, new variants of covid-19 has emerged. And on top of that, it emerged when some vaccines have already been developed. What makes it even worse is that there are lots of confusing things spreading around the internet about vaccines doing more harm than good. Although I know better, I just cannot help but fear for my safety because even with facts straight to my face, what ifs still arise from the back of my head. I fear not for myself but for my family.

     I am really frightened specially now that the UK variant just reached our municipality this week and the contact tracing is too slow and unreliable. people who should've been traced and placed on quarantine are still out there walking around like nothing happened. This is too scary. I'm even scared of just simply going for groceries and supplies. Not to mention how confusing the different vaccine brands out there are. It is very confusing since it will be hard to pick  Which  are effective and less harmful for the ones that take it.

[Tash]

If someone is to lazy to read Scientific papers and instead opts for tel-lie-vision propaganda nobody can help hard core fact.

[franky1]

If someone is to lazy to read Scientific papers and instead opts for tel-lie-vision propaganda nobody can help hard core fact.

says the guy that posts images and links from propaganda sites without checking.

if a doctor works in a hospital. but then goes home. and then charges people to hear him sing.. his song is not scientific. if he provide a beer to his neighbour. thats not medicine.

wake up to the real world and stop being in auto-pilot

you really need to understand scientific papers come with more detail than just words
it wouldnt even pass the bar of a scientific paper unless it contained certain factual detail that can be checked

actually understand the detail. dont be fooled by clever titles