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Question: Who will be the champion in 2023/24 season?
Manchester City - 87 (46%)
Liverpool - 31 (16.4%)
Arsenal - 39 (20.6%)
Chelsea - 7 (3.7%)
Manchester United - 13 (6.9%)
Totenham - 7 (3.7%)
Newcastle - 2 (1.1%)
Other - 3 (1.6%)
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November 02, 2023, 02:54:14 PM
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Manchester United are a really shitty team for losing to Newcastle.
Man, don't be so judgemental, in sports, any team or club, not matter how good the players there, does have some chances of losing, even to a team or club believed to be smaller, that does not mean they are shitty just as you have said.
Disregard the fact that Manchester united is having issues, which is not Peculiar to them alone, Chelsea are also going through the same thing.

Think about last year's world cup when Argentina lost to Saudi Arabia, many assumed Argentina to be shitty, but at the end of the tournament, the same Argentina took the world cup home.

That a team lost a match to a smaller team does not make them shitty, respect them still for me and you may concede more goals if we are sent to play there  Grin
It is true, but the problems faced by Manchester United occur every season or every year, in contrast to the World Cup which only occurs once every four years. And it was natural that at that time Argentina lost to Saudi Arabia and many thought they were bad, because they only met once every four years to defend their country and also required adjustments or adaptations which ultimately paid off.
And as for the problem of Manchester United and Chelsea, obviously they are bad from season to season with little change and then bad again. They are inconsistent in games and whether the fault lies with the players, the coaches or everyone involved.
And almost every week we see a match between Manchester United or another club, so it's different from the World Cup.
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November 02, 2023, 02:56:43 PM
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Manchester United are a really shitty team for losing to Newcastle.

Nothing worst than manchester united at this moment. Playing at home without even scoring a single goal against newcastle. The level of manchester united has been degrading so much. Does ten hag aware about this?
He keeps try to blame his players as the main problems of the teams instead of taking responsibility as a coach who was managing its club. I don't even like the way of ten hag was always making excuses for his fault.
Manchester united needs to get the fuck him out of the club. Ten hag is only destroying manchester united this time.

Someone in the management needs to tell glazer to signing a better coach than him. MU shall not forever be trapped into this shitty position. It's losing against everything.
Chelsea probably becomes the upcoming victim from newcastle.

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November 02, 2023, 03:03:42 PM
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Erik ten Hague's team has started a black streak and I can't see how they will solve all their problems. Manchester has eight defeats in the first 15 games of the season, United's worst result since 1962. On top of that, they have lost five times in their last ten home games, a result the team hasn't had since 1930! If United continue to play like this, we will learn many more such statistical facts from the past.

Looking at Manchester United now, I feel like I saw Liverpool's condition before Jurgen Klopp arrived, they look like a mediocre team who won because of luck. here are some match results that I think are bad even they win these matches:

[UCL] Manchester United 1 - 0 Copenhagen

How can they only win by 1 goal and play at home? They should be able to make at least a difference of 2 or 3 goals, Copenhagen is not a strong team, but Manchester United is weak at the moment.

[PL] Sheffield United 1 - 2 Manchester United
[PL] Manchester United 0 - 1 Crystal Palace
[PL] Burnley 0 - 1 Manchester United


Just like their UCL match against Copenhagen, they could only win by 1 goal against bottom teams like Burnley and Sheffield United, what was even worse, they lost at home against Crystal Palace, which is actually a mid-table team.

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November 02, 2023, 03:05:07 PM
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Manchester United are a really shitty team for losing to Newcastle.
The quality of the MU team today is not like 5 or 10 seasons ago. this is what we see in the MU team currently. the performance shown by the Ten Hag team could not be consistent. they still have too much difficulty facing a team that is stronger than them. Let's just say that currently, Newcastle is a better team than MU this season. Maybe some fans won't accept it, but we can reassess what the MU team has shown at this time. fans may have to admit and accept what happened to the MU team. They will still find it difficult to compete, so MU will be very far from a trophy this season.

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November 02, 2023, 03:07:24 PM
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Nothing worst than manchester united at this moment. Playing at home without even scoring a single goal against newcastle. The level of manchester united has been degrading so much. Does ten hag aware about this?
He keeps try to blame his players as the main problems of the teams instead of taking responsibility as a coach who was managing its club. I don't even like the way of ten hag was always making excuses for his fault.
Manchester united needs to get the fuck him out of the club. Ten hag is only destroying manchester united this time.

Someone in the management needs to tell glazer to signing a better coach than him. MU shall not forever be trapped into this shitty position. It's losing against everything.
Chelsea probably becomes the upcoming victim from newcastle.

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There's a rumor concerning Manchester united considering sacking Erik Ten Hag and appointing an interim manager, well I think that's one of the worst decision they'll take cause they'll keep repeating same mistakes they've made in the past that didn't work out, Manchester United would do fine again under Erik Ten Hag it's just  matter of time, I think instead of the coach leaving, there are some players that needs to leave the team.

 There's something their former interim coach Ragnick said while he was at the club, he,said that, for the team to go back to their glory days, they'll need an open heart surgery, which means it's very necessary that they overhaul the squad and introduce new players with a different mentality to help them get better,  Erik ten Hag might have his own share of the blame but hes not really the problem at the club currently.

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November 02, 2023, 03:07:25 PM
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]I can't guess for sure Ten Hag's purpose in rotating several players when facing Newcastle. Is the strategy used by Ten Hag to provide opportunities for players who have not had a chance to play so far or is he not too interested in the EFL Cup competition. I don't think Ten Hag underestimates Newcastle, because he knows how strong Newcastle is this season.
Maybe he doesn't want to take risks in the EFL Cup, Ten Hag is more focused on the UCL and EPL this season. In the UCL they are limping, there is still a lot of work that Ten Hag needs to do to bring Manchester United through to the round of 16. Meanwhile in the EPL Manchester United is in an unfavorable position.
I would agree with that he may not be interested in the EFL and is focused on the UCL and premier league only if he has been performing really good in the premier league and the UCL but it is sad that they are not doing so well in any of these leagues so it doesn't look like it.

Ten hag's team isn't even sure of the UCL yet because their performance there hasn't been such that will give them such hope and confidence for the fans, back home in the premier league they have been inconsistent struggling to climb up the table to be amongst the top four, so I don't think ten hag wasn't interested it looked more to me that the rotation tactics was a trial and error kind of tactics he was hoping will work but it turned out it isn't working, ten hag needs develop a solid tactics and not this trial and error he is doing.

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November 02, 2023, 03:10:39 PM
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I don’t know how close Ten Hag is to being fired (but I hope that he is close), but those who know something and are ready to answer for their knowledge with money (bookmakers) accept bets on this event with odds of 9 to 1. Unfortunately, this means that for now it is not a very likely event. There may be an additional factor in Ten Hag's favor in that if United decide to sack him they will have to pay him 15 million in compensation.
I think Erik Teg Hag is the second version of Jose Mourinho to have issues with his players, the first was Cristiano Ronaldo, and the second was letting David de Gea go and now Jadon Sancho. Erik Teg Hag should settle his differences with Sancho and give him playing time at Machester United. The money that Erik Teg Hag used in signing Onana, Mason Mount, and Ramus Hojlund, could have been used to secure the signature of Harry Kane or Victor Oshimen maybe things could have been different for Manchester United.

I don't think so. They don't have anything even close. Mourinho could be very tough with players (this is justified when a player gets impudent), but he tried to find an individual approach to everyone and was a great diplomat and psychologist. I watched a lot of his interviews and interviews with those whom he coached, and all these points are revealed there. Ten Hag only cares about his image as the "top boss" and not about normal cooperation with the players. This is the approach of a provincial coach who has no place in a top club. In small clubs with young players this might work, but not in big clubs.

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November 02, 2023, 03:12:56 PM
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Ten Hag had all of such supports so if he fails with given tasks to improve the club, he really deserved to be sacked by Manchester United. Maybe this season ending will decide he will stay in Old Trafford or will be sacked.
Erik Ten Hag's future in Manchester United depends on where they finish this season, if they end the season disappointingly, i am pretty sure the patience of those at United's hierarchy would run out and he'd be fired. United have started the season in the worst way possible: eliminated from the Carabao cup, 8th position in the league table, won only 1 game out of 3 in the CL and could well be eliminated from the group stage.

Ten Hag is under quite a lot of pressure, this is not what the fans want to see, and TBH i cannot see a change in fortune happening, thus it might actually be inevitable that Erik Ten Hag would get fired, sooner or later.
It could be that Erik Ten Hag future will end before the season is over if he fails again in the next few matches, club officials will definitely get pressure from the fans to get their coach fired, and I think that is a very understandable reaction. Ten Hag efforts to get United on track have always been inconsistent, most recently the defeat to Newcastle knocked them out of the Carabao Cup, where this trophy is considered more realistic to achieve this season.

However, if Ten Hag is fired before the season ends, there is no guarantee that the new coach will make the club better, even though it is full of risks, I think this step needs to be taken before the fans are really disappointed. Fulham and Copenhagen are their next opponents, on paper they should be able to easily win, but it seems difficult to believe that at the moment.

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November 02, 2023, 03:13:43 PM
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Yes the defence of Manchester United has been on the weak side, but Maguire and the lindelof have been doing exceptional job recently. Dallot was not able to attack almiron properly during that first goal encounter, Maguire would have done a good job if he was in the position of Dallot.
Manchester United really need improvement, I don't know if there should be change on the coach or the entire squared, it really frustrating seeing United strongly to win almost every week.
The changes that Manchester United need are in several players and also in the way they train existing players, because when Manchester United's tactics are now easier for their opponents to read, of course it will be very difficult for Manchester United to win. every week. Moreover, this season Manchester United also have to think more in several competitions including the UCL, where in general they are also struggling to qualify for the next round there.
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November 02, 2023, 03:16:14 PM
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I would agree with that he may not be interested in the EFL and is focused on the UCL and premier league only if he has been performing really good in the premier league of the UCL but the sad part is that they are not doing so well in any of these leagues so it doesn't look like it.

Ten hag's team isn't even sure of the UCL yet because their performance there hasn't been such that will give them such hope and confidence for the fans, back home in the premier league they have been inconsistent struggling to climb up the table to be amongst the top four, so I don't think ten hag wasn't interested it looked more to me that the rotation tactics was a trial and error kind of tactics he was hoping will work.
How can a club focus on a single league in a season, this is not an expert approach to football because as a club what is important to you is winnings regardless of the leagues all matches have equal priority to the club so for such to happen, the club must prepare all the time to deliver at some points and also making sure that the thrive to top every league that they're listed on.


For sure the Teg Hang boys have tried in several matches but a lot still needs to be done, at some point to keep the steady pest for success at some points, winning is all that matters and I am sure no club will focus on Champions leagues and neglect the premiere and vis-visual, winning is what is most important for the club.

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November 02, 2023, 03:26:52 PM
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Erik Ten Hag's future in Manchester United depends on where they finish this season, if they end the season disappointingly, i am pretty sure the patience of those at United's hierarchy would run out and he'd be fired. United have started the season in the worst way possible: eliminated from the Carabao cup, 8th position in the league table, won only 1 game out of 3 in the CL and could well be eliminated from the group stage.
I am not sure the management of Manchester United will allow Erik Ten Hag to remain with the club until the end of the season if he keeps getting unfavorable results. The club spent a reasonable amount this season and they have some of the best players in the EPL, so the problem might be the coaching crew. They still have a good chance of qualifying for the second round of the Champion League. I think he might be sacked if they end up not qualifying.

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Ten Hag is under quite a lot of pressure, this is not what the fans want to see, and TBH I cannot see a change in fortune happening, thus it might be inevitable that Erik Ten Hag would get fired, sooner or later.
It is quite unfortunate to see a couch that was at his best in Ajax struggling to make an impact in Manchester United. He guided some set of young players in Ajax to win five trophies. Maybe the management structure of United is not giving him the right support or he is not just good for the EPL. I think the Glazers should just sell the club.

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November 02, 2023, 03:28:57 PM
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Who else is to blame if not Ten Hag, so far Te Hag has been given very special rights by the Manchester United management regarding the selection of players and also the time for the process which has been quite long.
Ten Hag brought a lot of hope last season and he asked for many players to be brought in and Manchester United management agreed, then this season Manchester United's performance has not improved, the number of injured players is not an excuse, he as a coach should be able to find a solution.
I think there is no way Manchester United can change, except sacking Ten Hag.
Yep, people are expecting Manchester United to sign more players, but they're forget when Ten Hag is signing player, it's 100% full of personal choice. He will bought more Netherlands and Ajax players, just like previously he did.

We don't need such manager who focus to sign his "favorite player", we need an objective manager.

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November 02, 2023, 03:35:51 PM
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Looking at Manchester United now, I feel like I saw Liverpool's condition before Jurgen Klopp arrived, they look like a mediocre team who won because of luck. here are some match results that I think are bad even they win these matches:

[UCL] Manchester United 1 - 0 Copenhagen

How can they only win by 1 goal and play at home? They should be able to make at least a difference of 2 or 3 goals, Copenhagen is not a strong team, but Manchester United is weak at the moment.

[PL] Sheffield United 1 - 2 Manchester United
[PL] Manchester United 0 - 1 Crystal Palace
[PL] Burnley 0 - 1 Manchester United


Just like their UCL match against Copenhagen, they could only win by 1 goal against bottom teams like Burnley and Sheffield United, what was even worse, they lost at home against Crystal Palace, which is actually a mid-table team.
There are not any special yet with Manchester United performed and winning matches only with mediocre teams, five winning matches in Premier League from mediocre teams opponent and loss when facing top teams such as Arsenal, Brighton Albion, Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester City. I doubt with several matches left in first half have to face Liverpool, Aston Villa and Newcastle United will loss and Manchester United have underperform with top opponent teams.

Manchester United have won 5 of 10 matches in Premier League and here teams defeated by United and there are not special exactly almost all teams are mediocre or small teams.

  • Manchester United 1 vs 0 Wolves
  • Manchester United 3 vs 2 Nott Forest
  • Burnley 0 vs 1 Man United
  • Man United 2 vs 1 Brentford
  • Sheff United 1 vs 2 man United

In Champion League winning match with Copenhagen opponent team, but facing Galatasaray and Bayern Munich got loss.

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However, if Ten Hag is fired before the season ends, there is no guarantee that the new coach will make the club better, even though it is full of risks, I think this step needs to be taken before the fans are really disappointed. Fulham and Copenhagen are their next opponents, on paper they should be able to easily win, but it seems difficult to believe that at the moment.
Experiencing two defeats with a landslide score must have hurt and disappointed all fans, just look at social media full of mockery from fans of other clubs, of course it also attacks the mentality of Manchester United fans, I almost saw it there, to be honest, that streak of defeats is true. It's a shame but in reality there is nothing more to expect from Ten Hag, it seems he is not really worth keeping, well even though replacing Ten Hag with a new coach won't necessarily make Manchester United perform better.

The new coach may need more time to adapt to the players, it will definitely take a long time, currently I think all Manchester United fans will have a little less confidence in their next matches including the UCL, not sure they will qualify for the UCL group stage because they are not ready playing in the UCL this season, there is a lot that needs to be improved to see Manchester United return to being the good club they were in the previous season.

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November 02, 2023, 03:52:39 PM
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Manchester United are a really shitty team for losing to Newcastle.

Nothing worst than manchester united at this moment. Playing at home without even scoring a single goal against newcastle. The level of manchester united has been degrading so much. Does ten hag aware about this?
He keeps try to blame his players as the main problems of the teams instead of taking responsibility as a coach who was managing its club. I don't even like the way of ten hag was always making excuses for his fault.
Manchester united needs to get the fuck him out of the club. Ten hag is only destroying manchester united this time.

Someone in the management needs to tell glazer to signing a better coach than him. MU shall not forever be trapped into this shitty position. It's losing against everything.
Chelsea probably becomes the upcoming victim from newcastle.

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Who else is to blame if not Ten Hag, so far Te Hag has been given very special rights by the Manchester United management regarding the selection of players and also the time for the process which has been quite long.
Ten Hag brought a lot of hope last season and he asked for many players to be brought in and Manchester United management agreed, then this season Manchester United's performance has not improved, the number of injured players is not an excuse, he as a coach should be able to find a solution.
I think there is no way Manchester United can change, except sacking Ten Hag.
But I'm also confused, Erik Ten Hag is actually a good coach, he was even able to win several times when he was still coaching Ajax.
But why is it that when he coached Manchester United it's different even though in terms of quality it's clear that Manchester United players on paper are compared to Ajax players, it should be Erik Ten Hag can bring Manchester United back to success just like he coached Ajax before.
If Erik Ten Hag is fired, who is the right replacement?
My opinion is more towards Michael Carrick, because when he coached. Manchester United played stable, defended and attacked equally well and only Carrick knows Manchester United's DNA because he has been with Sir Alex Ferguson, Mourinho, LVG and David Moyes.
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November 02, 2023, 04:08:31 PM
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However, if Ten Hag is fired before the season ends, there is no guarantee that the new coach will make the club better, even though it is full of risks, I think this step needs to be taken before the fans are really disappointed. Fulham and Copenhagen are their next opponents, on paper they should be able to easily win, but it seems difficult to believe that at the moment.
Erik Ten need more time to set everything to balance? He was given all the time in the world to fixed the team, but looks like he's incapable of handling the big tasks that follows. Erik Ten Hag's position is currently 50/50 due to his dismal performance. Is Erik Ten Hag working on a genuine concepts to improve the team? I don't think so because the Red Devils have lately been in a downturn, having conceded six goals in two games. That's not the definition of an elite club ready to confront significant challenges. They will face Fulham in the EPL and have a game in the UCL coming up, which will be challenging for them.


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November 02, 2023, 04:18:13 PM
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Yes the defence of Manchester United has been on the weak side, but Maguire and the lindelof have been doing exceptional job recently. Dallot was not able to attack almiron properly during that first goal encounter, Maguire would have done a good job if he was in the position of Dallot.
Manchester United really need improvement, I don't know if there should be change on the coach or the entire squared, it really frustrating seeing United strongly to win almost every week.
The changes that Manchester United need are in several players and also in the way they train existing players, because when Manchester United's tactics are now easier for their opponents to read, of course it will be very difficult for Manchester United to win. every week. Moreover, this season Manchester United also have to think more in several competitions including the UCL, where in general they are also struggling to qualify for the next round there.

If so, then I think Manchester United should focus on only one competition this season, because playing in many competitions makes Manchester United become bad at this moment. So, because Manchester United also do not have a good chance in the Champion League, then let them fall there . Because then, at least Manchester United can be even better for the results obtained in the Premier League. At least to be able to improve its position in the Premier League standings throughout this season, because if Manchester United is still focused on several competitions then Manchester United will only get worse.

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November 02, 2023, 04:28:04 PM
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However, if Ten Hag is fired before the season ends, there is no guarantee that the new coach will make the club better, even though it is full of risks, I think this step needs to be taken before the fans are really disappointed. Fulham and Copenhagen are their next opponents, on paper they should be able to easily win, but it seems difficult to believe that at the moment.
Erik Ten need more time to set everything to balance? He was given all the time in the world to fixed the team, but looks like he's incapable of handling the big tasks that follows. Erik Ten Hag's position is currently 50/50 due to his dismal performance. Is Erik Ten Hag working on a genuine concepts to improve the team? I don't think so because the Red Devils have lately been in a downturn, having conceded six goals in two games. That's not the definition of an elite club ready to confront significant challenges. They will face Fulham in the EPL and have a game in the UCL coming up, which will be challenging for them.


If it's a matter of time anyway Ten Hag has had quite a lot of time since the beginning of the season to prepare for Man United, I think initially Ten Hag has really prepared everything to perform better this season, but in fact? Yes, we have seen that there is nothing better than them this season, in contrast to last season which usually they can always compete in the top five of the standings and finish in third position. With this then I conclude that it looks like Ten Hag has run out of ways to improve his team, they have lost consistency quite significantly. There is some speculation that there must be a new coach who replaces Ten Hag as Man United coach, I quite agree despite the fact that it is not necessarily successful to restore the performance and prestige of the club back up.

Honestly this is a big problem for a club like Man United, there must be significant changes that can really change and have a good impact. Yes, now Man United are experiencing a difficult phase whether it's in the Premier League or in the UCL, we'll see if Man United can get better results in the next matches against Fulham in the Premier Lague and Copenhagen in the UCL, I'm a little doubtful and I wouldn't expect too much more.

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November 02, 2023, 04:31:00 PM
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Erik Ten need more time to set everything to balance? He was given all the time in the world to fixed the team, but looks like he's incapable of handling the big tasks that follows. Erik Ten Hag's position is currently 50/50 due to his dismal performance. Is Erik Ten Hag working on a genuine concepts to improve the team? I don't think so because the Red Devils have lately been in a downturn, having conceded six goals in two games. That's not the definition of an elite club ready to confront significant challenges. They will face Fulham in the EPL and have a game in the UCL coming up, which will be challenging for them.
Looks like there was some hope for Manchester United in their midfield with midfielder Casimero returning to play in the carabao cup but it looks like he's back injured again and will not be available for their game against Fulham which brings Manchester United back to the problem of midfield and how they can handle it because they seem to have been lacking strongly in that area. There is no need to talk about the big problem that's the coach of Manchester United will face if he loses that game as well, There are many calls already for his sack and if he loses that game, I am sure that the Manchester United management will be forced to start considering the decision on his role as manager.

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November 02, 2023, 04:32:53 PM
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Yes the defence of Manchester United has been on the weak side, but Maguire and the lindelof have been doing exceptional job recently. Dallot was not able to attack almiron properly during that first goal encounter, Maguire would have done a good job if he was in the position of Dallot.
Manchester United really need improvement, I don't know if there should be change on the coach or the entire squared, it really frustrating seeing United strongly to win almost every week.
The changes that Manchester United need are in several players and also in the way they train existing players, because when Manchester United's tactics are now easier for their opponents to read, of course it will be very difficult for Manchester United to win. every week. Moreover, this season Manchester United also have to think more in several competitions including the UCL, where in general they are also struggling to qualify for the next round there.
Dallot didn't do much in his wing against Newcastle United in the Coraoba cup. Despite that Almiron was played off wing, he was able to penetrate the Manchester United defence effortlessly from the left wing. This is the reason I had preferred Aaron Wanbisaka over Dallot. However, the blame shouldn't be on only Dallot but he contributed much to the lost of Manchester United apart from Erik 10 fixturing mistakes.
Recently, Maguire has upped his game and even the error-fill Lindalof is becoming more professional. But in general Manchester United players are average players as you can hardly count more than 3 world class players.
Manchester United needs to visit January open window with alot of funds and they also need to upgrade their scout department, if not, they would still waste millions of dollars on average players.

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