Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[LTU_btc]

Damn, so, much bullshit that it doesn't even fits into single post

The truth is that just like leaders in the west,very many have let their hatred for Russia born from sheer misinformation and propaganda cloud their common sense of reasoning and judgement,engaging in very dangerous and careless acts that are self hurting and destructive all in the bid to either harm Russia or kill a few Russians

Yeah, Russia is soft and fluffy, there is no reason in this world to hate them, it's all just propaganda.

just like the very silly and destructive sanctions on Russia in which Europe basically shot itself in the head by refusing to buy cheap Russian gas which is the backbone of their economy thinking they were all powerful

Cheap Russian gas, is it really that cheap. But in general, gas was tool for Russia to blackmail Europe for many years, thanks to politicians like Merkel who made Europe fully depend on Russian gas.

for the 1st time in history put themselves in a place where they can be considered as legit targets and supporters of yet another invasion into territories Russia considers it's own

So, now it's Ukraine making invasion into territory of Russia? Wondering, how many countries in the world consider that these territories belongs to Russia. I don't know, maybe Russia considers that Alaska is their land too because they used to control it.

To put it into context,imagine if Russia trained and armed mexico or the cartels in mexico which is the united states standard modus operandi and engaged in a violent overthrow o the government there and then launched attacks to reclaim territories which are historically theirs say california, Texas killing tens of thousands of us citizens and killing and injuring tens of thousands of us servicemen what would the reaction be
Wouldn't the us visit upon them what was visited upon the Japanese and we're all here spinning our propaganda acting like the Russians are the big bad wolf and terrible for the world when we know clearly who the agents of death and conflict and destabilization of governments around the world are(America)

Wow, such whataboutism, but it doesn't even makes sense.

Wonderful and intriguing argument you put up there,the half of Europe you've mentioned were conquered by the Nazis and liberated by the soviets at huge costs of both man and machine,be mindful of the term liberated not fucked, the way you construct your argument not bringing to mind the question of why the soviets went there in the first place,if the Nazis didn't conquer all these parts of Germany why would the soviets March to all this countries,when have the soviets or Russians ever invaded other countries historically except in connection to when they were invade themselves like in the Napoleonic wars,the period after the Russian revolution when the us and Europe and Japan tried to invade Russia

In general, Soviets weren't better than Nazis at all, they were just another occupants. You want to say that things like deportations to Siberia or Holdomor in Ukraine isn't better than genocide of jews. ''when have the soviets or Russians ever invaded other countries historically'' - really? Like Soviet Union itself wasn't occupation which lasted for 50 years. And I guess that invasion to Georgia in 2008 and to Ukraine in 2014 and 2022 doesn't counts as invasion for you because you will find reason to justify it.

The push to put Ukraine into NATO and to station us NATO troops and missiles(nuclear) maybe in Ukraine yet Russia is the aggressor

I'm wondering why Russia don't have problems with Poland, Baltic States, Finland being NATO members, while Ukraine is already danger for Russia. And I'm wondering from where you took that part about deplying nuclear missiles in Ukraine. BTW, when Budapest Memorandum was signed in 1994 and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons, following text was signed:

1.Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders (in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act).
2. Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum, and undertake that none of their weapons will ever be used against these countries, except in cases of self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
3. Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus and Kazakhstan of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
4. Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used
~snip~

We see how Russia is following declaration that they signed...

[paxmao]

Sure you can ask. It's just that as with all your "questions" the only reason you're doing this is so that you could bury it in a pile of fallacies... "these weren't really countries"... "you've only been to 2 countries so the other 198 haven't been devastated"... "it was USSR not Russia"... "they would have been worse off if US did it"... am I right?

Despite the obvious facts of how e.g. half of Europe was fucked by Russia for 45 years after WWII, you will continue to deny everything.

Wonderful and intriguing argument you put up there,the half of Europe you've mentioned were conquered by the Nazis and liberated by the soviets at huge costs of both man and machine,be mindful of the term liberated not fucked, the way you construct your argument not bringing to mind the question of why the soviets went there in the first place,if the Nazis didn't conquer all these parts of Germany why would the soviets March to all this countries,when have the soviets or Russians ever invaded other countries historically except in connection to when they were invade themselves like in the Napoleonic wars,the period after the Russian revolution when the us and Europe and Japan tried to invade Russia

 I suggest you study your history and not confabulate stories to support your biased claims,suffice to say same thing is happening in the present day in Ukraine,literal Nazis attacking Russia sponsored armed trained and enjoying the backing of the west and later you'll ask why half of Ukraine is devastated by Russia yet no mention of the multiple peace treaties (Minsk 1 and 2) which the western powers have come out to say openly(Angela Merkel ) and a host of other officials said that it was just to buy time to build up the Ukrainian milutary, amidst the gruesome genocidal attacks they were carrying out on their own citizens in the donbass killing 14000 of them before Russia moved in simply because they were opposed to the anti Russian laws being passed banning the use and practice of Russian cultures even though they're ethnically Russian
The push to put Ukraine into NATO and to station us NATO troops and missiles(nuclear) maybe in Ukraine yet Russia is the aggressor
Amidst heavy sanctions by the west Russia still agreed yo the grain deals and their extensions with the promise that their agricultural banks would be reconnected to the swift payment system and the ban on Russian agricultural products would be lifted yet none of this came to fruition,the nordstream pipelines were blown up by we know who,the 3 attempts at peaceful negotiations directly sabotaged by the west Boris Johnson specifically acting no doubt by the bidding of Washington and yet somehow still Russia is the aggressor
Come on man be honest with yourself

So liberated meaning exactly what? Because dividing Europe in two, having control of a constellation of satellites and frankly, building a wall to even physically separate their "domains" does not sound like "liberating" anything but rather taking the chance to conquer it in a moment of weakness. There was no reason for USSR troops to be in Poland, Czequia, Bulgaria, Romania, ... after the war.. yet there they were uh?

Ruzzia has missiles all over Karelia. Short distance to London, Paris and nuclear subs at any place of their choosing... so on that regard, it is a bit late for it.

You are mentioning the agreements Ruzzia broke. Please, link those declarations of Merkel, I a sure  we all want to see them.

And yes, Ruzzia is invading an independent country, it is the agressor.

[LTU_btc]

Tucker Carlson arrived to Moscow. Not big deal you will say and you will be completely wrong. Just in 2 days Russian agency RIA posted more than 70 messages about him. And some of these is just more than ridiculous:
https://t.me/themedia/6817
It's strange to see American journalist propagandist getting so much attention, it looks that someone bigger than presidents and other main politicians has arrived. It's expected that he will be first person from West who will take interview from Putin after start of war.

And yes, Ruzzia is invading an independent country, it is the agressor.

C'mon, this dude literally said that Ukraine is aggressor who invading territory of Russia, it seems that lives in some kind of alternative reality.

[Branko]

C'mon, this dude literally said that Ukraine is aggressor who invading territory of Russia, it seems that lives in some kind of alternative reality.

Russians were oppressed in parts of Ukraine, similar to Albanians on Kosovo been oppressed by Serbia.
So, similar to Albanians, Russians in parts of Ukraine declared independence.

USA, instead bombing Ukraine like they bombed Serbia, decided to arm Ukraine so
they could oppress Russians more...is that double standard or what?

[paxmao]

C'mon, this dude literally said that Ukraine is aggressor who invading territory of Russia, it seems that lives in some kind of alternative reality.

Russians were oppressed in parts of Ukraine, similar to Albanians on Kosovo been oppressed by Serbia.
So, similar to Albanians, Russians in parts of Ukraine declared independence.

USA, instead bombing Ukraine like they bombed Serbia, decided to arm Ukraine so
they could oppress Russians more...is that double standard or what?

Official line propaganda again. Ruzzians and Ukranians were living peacefully, with many people speaking both languages. Putin used the usual strategy of creating a problem by financing protests and creating a situation of violence. Then sent in two army corps to invade parts of Ukraine under the excuse that there were people "oppressed".

It goes like this:
- You have a big problem because you do not know what time is it.
- Oh, really, I had not noticed anything
 - Just a second, let me break your watch.... now... you have a big problem, because you do not know what time is it.

[Branko]

C'mon, this dude literally said that Ukraine is aggressor who invading territory of Russia, it seems that lives in some kind of alternative reality.

Russians were oppressed in parts of Ukraine, similar to Albanians on Kosovo been oppressed by Serbia.
So, similar to Albanians, Russians in parts of Ukraine declared independence.

USA, instead bombing Ukraine like they bombed Serbia, decided to arm Ukraine so
they could oppress Russians more...is that double standard or what?

Official line propaganda again. Ruzzians and Ukranians were living peacefully, with many people speaking both languages. Putin used the usual strategy of creating a problem by financing protests and creating a situation of violence. Then sent in two army corps to invade parts of Ukraine under the excuse that there were people "oppressed".

It goes like this:
- You have a big problem because you do not know what time is it.
- Oh, really, I had not noticed anything
 - Just a second, let me break your watch.... now... you have a big problem, because you do not know what time is it.

If burning people alive because they protested peacefully is your idea of " living peacefully" then OK

This look like peaceful guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWHqj8g7Bk

[paxmao]

C'mon, this dude literally said that Ukraine is aggressor who invading territory of Russia, it seems that lives in some kind of alternative reality.

Russians were oppressed in parts of Ukraine, similar to Albanians on Kosovo been oppressed by Serbia.
So, similar to Albanians, Russians in parts of Ukraine declared independence.

USA, instead bombing Ukraine like they bombed Serbia, decided to arm Ukraine so
they could oppress Russians more...is that double standard or what?

Official line propaganda again. Ruzzians and Ukranians were living peacefully, with many people speaking both languages. Putin used the usual strategy of creating a problem by financing protests and creating a situation of violence. Then sent in two army corps to invade parts of Ukraine under the excuse that there were people "oppressed".

It goes like this:
- You have a big problem because you do not know what time is it.
- Oh, really, I had not noticed anything
 - Just a second, let me break your watch.... now... you have a big problem, because you do not know what time is it.

If burning people alive because they protested peacefully is your idea of " living peacefully" then OK

This look like peaceful guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWHqj8g7Bk

Poroshenko was an advocate of joining the EU and, while someone did a fantastic job of removing all context of this speech, he is clearly speaking about economy. By joining the EU and getting investment, jobs, social rights, pensions,... that is how you win over Ruzzia - and that is what Putin cannot afford of course. And that is how you really win the war, by creating a future for Ukrainians.

It looks to me that this proves that Ruzzia was financing of groups to de-stabilise the region resulting in clashes and what is in fact a proxy war from Ruzzia. BTW, this was after Ruzzia invaded Crimea.

Yes, when people use violence they may get violence in return - I am sure you know about it. I would not expect you to tell all sides of this story anyway, whoever brain-washed you did a great job.

[Branko]

Poroshenko was an advocate of joining the EU and, while someone did a fantastic job of removing all context of this speech, he is clearly speaking about economy. By joining the EU and getting investment, jobs, social rights, pensions,... that is how you win over Ruzzia - and that is what Putin cannot afford of course. And that is how you really win the war, by creating a future for Ukrainians.

It looks to me that this proves that Ruzzia was financing of groups to de-stabilise the region resulting in clashes and what is in fact a proxy war from Ruzzia. BTW, this was after Ruzzia invaded Crimea.

Yes, when people use violence they may get violence in return - I am sure you know about it. I would not expect you to tell all sides of this story anyway, whoever brain-washed you did a great job.

https://rumble.com/v44c769-slobodni-podcast-60-thierry-laurent-pellet-1.-dio-rusko-ukrajinski-rat-se-m.html

[Hispo]

C'mon, this dude literally said that Ukraine is aggressor who invading territory of Russia, it seems that lives in some kind of alternative reality.

Russians were oppressed in parts of Ukraine, similar to Albanians on Kosovo been oppressed by Serbia.
So, similar to Albanians, Russians in parts of Ukraine declared independence.

USA, instead bombing Ukraine like they bombed Serbia, decided to arm Ukraine so
they could oppress Russians more...is that double standard or what?

Official line propaganda again. Ruzzians and Ukranians were living peacefully, with many people speaking both languages. Putin used the usual strategy of creating a problem by financing protests and creating a situation of violence. Then sent in two army corps to invade parts of Ukraine under the excuse that there were people "oppressed".

It goes like this:
- You have a big problem because you do not know what time is it.
- Oh, really, I had not noticed anything
 - Just a second, let me break your watch.... now... you have a big problem, because you do not know what time is it.

If burning people alive because they protested peacefully is your idea of " living peacefully" then OK

This look like peaceful guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWHqj8g7Bk

Poroshenko was an advocate of joining the EU and, while someone did a fantastic job of removing all context of this speech, he is clearly speaking about economy. By joining the EU and getting investment, jobs, social rights, pensions,... that is how you win over Ruzzia - and that is what Putin cannot afford of course. And that is how you really win the war, by creating a future for Ukrainians.

It looks to me that this proves that Ruzzia was financing of groups to de-stabilise the region resulting in clashes and what is in fact a proxy war from Ruzzia. BTW, this was after Ruzzia invaded Crimea.

Yes, when people use violence they may get violence in return - I am sure you know about it. I would not expect you to tell all sides of this story anyway, whoever brain-washed you did a great job.

It makes me wonder under what kind of conditions would the European countries agree on admitting Ukraine into the European Union. They obviously would rather to not accept the entry of Ukraine while they are still actively fighting the Russian army and whatever is left of the Wagner group of mercenaries. Putin may be aware we cannot allow Ukraine to take over those occupies regions again, because as soon as Ukraine managed to get all back and secure it's border, then the president of Ukraine will push forward for their entry in the European Union.
I doubt Putin would be reckless enough to attack again when Ukraine is an active member of the European Union, because that would imply a very big escalation on the conflict and going against more countries than he can afford to fight. Not even mentioning Russia's economy is several times smaller than the Economy of Italy alone, not even mention the size of the economy of Germany or the Nordic republics.
Though, I would be afraid that if Putin does not care about any of those conditions, he could unleash the third world war by attacking Ukraine again and leaving the ball on what to do on the European side of the field. He would make it see as if was the EU who sought for an escalation and not him.

[paxmao]

Zelensky has replaced Valerii Zaluzhnyi with Syrskyi. Let's see which changes in strategy this brings, within the limited options given the indecision of US and the issues with Hungary in the EU, although 50 billion in funding for 4 years has been finally unblocked. Zaluz was keen on enhancing the technology role and at this point there were probably issues around what is happening in Avdiivka.

[LTU_btc]

Zelensky has replaced Valerii Zaluzhnyi with Syrskyi. Let's see which changes in strategy this brings, within the limited options given the indecision of US and the issues with Hungary in the EU, although 50 billion in funding for 4 years has been finally unblocked. Zaluz was keen on enhancing the technology role and at this point there were probably issues around what is happening in Avdiivka.

Talks about it were coming for few recent weeks and it only looked only matter of time. Personally, I think it's not right decision, but who I'm to judge them? Still, it leaves some bad taste in mouth. It looks that main reason why Zaluzhnyi was fired was not successful counteroffensive. Zelensky wants to see progress and seems that no matter what price of it will be, that's my observation.
Syrskyi, not really sure about him, I read mixed opinions on him, some even calling him the butcher. On the other hand he was responsible for defense of Kyiv and successful Kharkiv counteroffensive.
BTW, interesting detail that he was born in Russia and graduated from Moscow Higher Military Command School. That's probably one of rare cases when person can be called as good Russian.

[Olatundespo]

Ukraine is still continue from two years of war. They continue to show incredible resilience in the face of Russian aggression.
Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky visited the frontline in the village of Robotien in southern Ukraine. During this visit on Sunday multiple explosions occurred in places comparatively close to him.

Zelensky said on social media Robotien from Zaporizhzhya region. Here is the location of the 65th Armored Brigade. I have spoken to the soldiers who are engaged in protecting the country. Thanked them and conferred the state title.

Head of Ukraine armed forces Jalujhani wants to recruit another 500,000 new soldiers for the war But Zelensky is against it. There is a dispute between the two. Zelonsky thinks that if the troops that are in Ukraine can be used properly then there is no need to hire new troops. But Jalujhani wants to take five lakh more troops.

[be.open]

Zelensky has replaced Valerii Zaluzhnyi with Syrskyi. Let's see which changes in strategy this brings, within the limited options given the indecision of US and the issues with Hungary in the EU, although 50 billion in funding for 4 years has been finally unblocked. Zaluz was keen on enhancing the technology role and at this point there were probably issues around what is happening in Avdiivka.

Talks about it were coming for few recent weeks and it only looked only matter of time. Personally, I think it's not right decision, but who I'm to judge them? Still, it leaves some bad taste in mouth. It looks that main reason why Zaluzhnyi was fired was not successful counteroffensive. Zelensky wants to see progress and seems that no matter what price of it will be, that's my observation.
Syrskyi, not really sure about him, I read mixed opinions on him, some even calling him the butcher. On the other hand he was responsible for defense of Kyiv and successful Kharkiv counteroffensive.
BTW, interesting detail that he was born in Russia and graduated from Moscow Higher Military Command School. That's probably one of rare cases when person can be called as good Russian.

Fresh Russian joke:

Gerasimov: give up, you won’t win!
Syrsky: Russians don’t give up!

[paxmao]

Edited to add: 12/feb it seems that a refinery near Moscow caught fire today. Or has it been two!?

Zelensky has replaced Valerii Zaluzhnyi with Syrskyi. Let's see which changes in strategy this brings, within the limited options given the indecision of US and the issues with Hungary in the EU, although 50 billion in funding for 4 years has been finally unblocked. Zaluz was keen on enhancing the technology role and at this point there were probably issues around what is happening in Avdiivka.

Talks about it were coming for few recent weeks and it only looked only matter of time. Personally, I think it's not right decision, but who I'm to judge them? Still, it leaves some bad taste in mouth. It looks that main reason why Zaluzhnyi was fired was not successful counteroffensive. Zelensky wants to see progress and seems that no matter what price of it will be, that's my observation.
Syrskyi, not really sure about him, I read mixed opinions on him, some even calling him the butcher. On the other hand he was responsible for defense of Kyiv and successful Kharkiv counteroffensive.
BTW, interesting detail that he was born in Russia and graduated from Moscow Higher Military Command School. That's probably one of rare cases when person can be called as good Russian.

Fresh Russian joke:

Gerasimov: give up, you won’t win!
Syrsky: Russians don’t give up!

I actually find the joke funny, because it has plenty of elements of truth. Syrsky did study in USSR times in the best Soviet military institution at Moscow with many of today's Ruzzian generals which is a great asset (know your enemy - Tsun Tzu's Art of War). At the same time, he needs to find the way to change the game.


However, it must be said that the financial game has changed since Ukraine has started to target oil & gas refineries and plants. By the time you post again bragging about how "Avdiivka has been gloriously taken", someone out there will value each of those square meters of ruins that Ruzzia is buying at Manhattan prices. Shall we agree on 20,000 per square meter or would you like to discuss

Zelensky has replaced Valerii Zaluzhnyi with Syrskyi. Let's see which changes in strategy this brings, within the limited options given the indecision of US and the issues with Hungary in the EU, although 50 billion in funding for 4 years has been finally unblocked. Zaluz was keen on enhancing the technology role and at this point there were probably issues around what is happening in Avdiivka.

Talks about it were coming for few recent weeks and it only looked only matter of time. Personally, I think it's not right decision, but who I'm to judge them? Still, it leaves some bad taste in mouth. It looks that main reason why Zaluzhnyi was fired was not successful counteroffensive. Zelensky wants to see progress and seems that no matter what price of it will be, that's my observation.
Syrskyi, not really sure about him, I read mixed opinions on him, some even calling him the butcher. On the other hand he was responsible for defense of Kyiv and successful Kharkiv counteroffensive.
BTW, interesting detail that he was born in Russia and graduated from Moscow Higher Military Command School. That's probably one of rare cases when person can be called as good Russian.

Many of the USSR generals, even the ones who fought the III Reich, were Ukrainian born or had Ukrainian ancestry. I hope Syrsky brings some new ideas, but above it I hope he is given the means to succeed by Europe and US - succeed to a degree at least.

[paxmao]

Not everyone is aware of this, but there is a nuclear bunker just near Avdiika, just in the south. Possible the stiffest ever point of resistance other than the industrial complex of Mariupol.

If Zenit falls, Avdiivka might fall, too—forcing the Ukrainian garrison to retreat after a decade of stiff resistance. On Monday, Russian troops came closer than ever to cutting off Zenit with its labyrinth of concrete strongpoints. They failed. But they might not fail next time—because Zenit’s defenders are running out of ammunition.

My guess is that the new chief of the Ukrainian Army is aiming to hold harder than the previous one.

On a related issue, for those that like "alternative sources"...

M. Stéphane Séjourné, Minister for Europe and Foreign Affairs, today announced that France has detected a propaganda network called “Portal Kombat”. In order to mislead European public opinion, particularly in France, this network, made up of so-called digital information portals, spreads pro-Russian content promoting the Russian invasion in Ukraine and denigrating the Ukrainian authorities.

The detection and analysis work carried out by the VIGINUM department has allowed us to conclude that the network’s activities indeed constitute a campaign to manipulate information on digital platforms involving foreign actors, and that the campaign aims to harm France and its interests. Comprising at least 193 sites and initially covering news from Russian and Ukrainian localities, the network has developed since Russia’s war of aggression in February 2022 and has subsequently focused on the occupied Ukrainian territories and Ukraine’s supporters – including France, Germany and Poland. To amplify the manipulation by reaching a wider audience, the network uses a number of techniques such as selecting pro-Russian propaganda sources based on the targeted locality, mass automation to spread content and search-engine optimization. The technical elements that enabled the French authorities to reach these conclusions are available in the technical report published today by VIGINUM.

https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/country-files/russia/news/article/foreign-digital-interference-france-detects-a-russian-propaganda-network-12-feb

You can see the complete list on page 15. BTW guess who in this forum has links to some of these?

https://www.sgdsn.gouv.fr/files/files/20240212_NP_SGDSN_VIGINUM_PORTAL-KOMBAT-NETWORK_ENG_VF.pdf

[tvbcof]

Not everyone is aware of this, but there is a nuclear bunker just near Avdiika, just in the south. Possible the stiffest ever point of resistance other than the industrial complex of Mariupol.
...

I don't remember Mariupol being too big a deal although it was played up a fair bit.  IIRC, the Russians sat on them for a week or two and a fountain of swastikas poured forth from the ground.

[paxmao]

Not everyone is aware of this, but there is a nuclear bunker just near Avdiika, just in the south. Possible the stiffest ever point of resistance other than the industrial complex of Mariupol.
...

I don't remember Mariupol being too big a deal although it was played up a fair bit.  IIRC, the Russians sat on them for a week or two and a fountain of swastikas poured forth from the ground.

I have never seen such a poor attempt at faking. Two clicks away: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Mariupol

The siege of Mariupol began on 24 February 2022 and lasted until 20 May,

Bad troll, bad bad troll!

As of today it seems that there is plenty of smoke over Moscow, at first if looked like an oil terminal, but - unconfirmed but likely - seems to be a production facility for military airplanes. There will be more news about it.

It seems that the price of real state in Avdiivka is reaching new heights for Ruzzia. They could have bought the Trump empire instead of gettting Avdiivka - Not that I am saying they have not yet done it.

[BADecker]

Biden and his cronies want to kill more Ukrainians. And it's all for nothing since Ukraine has already lost, big time.


The Biden-Schumer Plan To Kill More Ukrainians


https://original.antiwar.com/Jeffrey_Sachs/2024/02/12/the-biden-schumer-plan-to-kill-more-ukrainians/
President Joe Biden is refusing to fold a losing hand as he bets with Ukrainian lives and U.S. taxpayer money. Biden and Democratic Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer propose to squander the lives of tens of thousands more Ukrainians and $61 billions of federal funds to keep Biden's disastrous foreign policy failure hidden from view until after the November election.

The $61 billion will make no difference on the battlefield except to prolong the war, the tens of thousands of deaths, and the physical destruction of Ukraine. It will not "save" Ukraine. Ukraine's security can only be achieved at the negotiating table, not by some fantasized military triumph over Russia.

$61 billion is not nothing. This worse-than-useless outlay would exceed the combined budgets of the U.S. Department of Labor, Environmental Protection Agency, National Science Foundation, and the Women, Infant, and Children nutrition program.

Almost exactly 10 years ago this month, Biden did much to put Ukraine on the path to disaster. This is well known to those who have looked carefully at the facts but is kept hidden from view by the White House, the Senate Democrats, and the mainstream media that back Biden. I have previously provided a detailed chronology, with hyperlinks, here.

In 1990, President George H. W. Bush, Sr. and his German counterpart Chancellor Helmut Kohl promised Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO would not expand eastward if the Soviet Union accepted German reunification. When the Soviet Union disbanded in December 1991, with Russia as the successor state, American leaders decided to renege.
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[tvbcof]

Not everyone is aware of this, but there is a nuclear bunker just near Avdiika, just in the south. Possible the stiffest ever point of resistance other than the industrial complex of Mariupol.
...

I don't remember Mariupol being too big a deal although it was played up a fair bit.  IIRC, the Russians sat on them for a week or two and a fountain of swastikas poured forth from the ground.

I have never seen such a poor attempt at faking. Two clicks away: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Mariupol

The siege of Mariupol began on 24 February 2022 and lasted until 20 May,

Bad troll, bad bad troll!

As of today it seems that there is plenty of smoke over Moscow, at first if looked like an oil terminal, but - unconfirmed but likely - seems to be a production facility for military airplanes. There will be more news about it.

It seems that the price of real state in Avdiivka is reaching new heights for Ruzzia. They could have bought the Trump empire instead of gettting Avdiivka - Not that I am saying they have not yet done it.

Yeah, that's about what I remember.  ZioNazi's lost their human shields and about 8 days later 2500 of them gave up rather than fighting.

I guess that when the enemy is planning to kill the entire population including all men, women, and children then it makes sense to fight like a Gazan.  If you are just some swastika tattoo'd Nazi being led by Ziocons who are trying to de-Slav your country to make room for more of their type, might as well give up and hope you get your freedom in a prisoner swap of some sort.

Anyway, the DPR and the Russians have Mariupol looking pretty good these days.  I'm happy for the civilians who survived the zionazi snipers and human shield operations and such.

  Mariupol - then and now.
  https://www.bitchute.com/video/3sROjld5Qu7o/

[BADecker]

All the magical thinking in the world won't save Ukraine.