Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[paxmao]

The Engels airbase has "kaboomed" big time. Apparently Ukraine managed to hit this target, not in the apron where the strategic bombers used to be, but in the nearby depot (sources mention that there were balistic missiles inside).

Seems that the size of Ruzzia is becoming a problem for its defence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8cebUiT6iE

There was definetly plenty of explosive material therem but some sources say that there were strategic bombers on-site, and with this explosion.. well, they may be there but in smaller pieces now.

 It is getting expensive for Ruzzia to be at war in Ukraine.

^^ On the contrary, I have said over and over, the US has been playing Ruzzia, is still playing Ruzzia and will keep playing Ruzzia (and Europe). For starters, 75% of the tanks, APVs and many other armoured vehicles carefully stored during the Soviet times and later have been destroyed along with quite a bit of other equipment. If anything happens with China, these will not be at the back in a decade or more.

Your cherry picking does not impress anyone here. The NYT says that, others say this...

Now, "the real world" may actually show how Europe may take the chance offered by Trump. Macron is a pedantic snob, but he is not stupid and is calling for Europe to use their funds to buy and create a European native full set of military capabilities. France is starting to see itself as a future leader of Europe, Poland has asked to hold US nukes and that has been rejected... 3,2,1 until Poland decides to get Nukes (congratulations Putin).

What ever the NYT publishes changes nothing of these.

And how many APVs, tanks, artillery, air defense, shells etc etc etc... did the west loose that it had before this at their disposal or had an option to procure? And how many drones, drone operators, new warfare technologies, experienced battle hardened military, and military industrial complex did Russian gained instead of those soviet tanks?

Oh you don't like the source? How about Ukrainska Pravda for you EU confirms US withdrawal from group investigating Russia's war crimes in Ukraine I would love to see at least one source that says that US is not leaving International Center for the Prosecution of the Crime of Aggression against Ukraine. I'll wait...

So Macron will destroy France's quality of life, and switch France's industry from butter to guns and war footing (that will probably take decades to complete) because Macron really thinks that Russia is going to attack France? Or he really cares about expanding NATO into Ukraine without US so much? Even if he does try that, what will happen to the far right's Marine Le Pen's chances on the next elections?

Sorry, at this point i feel like i'm even destroying your dreams, that you're desperately trying to hang on to. I'll scale back on engaging your hypotheticals.

Not that many compared to the immense stocks of Bradleys and Abrams that the US holds in the deserst across the US. The GDP of the US and Europe allows for restoring stocks. Ruzzia has lost some equipment that can no longer be produced (the supply chains, components and know-how are no longer there) and it would take 10 to 20 years at the current rates to replenish the old Soviet Stocks. This is not by chance, the US knew and kept the stalemate to make sure this happened.

Again, irrelevant information no matter the sources. It is unlikely that those crimes will be punished, simply because as of now it cannot be enforced.

On the contrary, Macron and France have built their weapons industry and capabilities pretty much independently of the US. France is the one NATO country that buys little from the US. Capturing a large part of the financial budget for EU's rearmament will be quite profitable for France.

France does not need to "switch" the economy, it will enhance their existing means - 90% indigeous from the tanks to the air-defence, carriers and both Mirages and Rafale.

And yes, thanks to Putin now Europe cares about providing security guarantess to Ukraine - which in essence are security guarantees for all Europe.

Sure, you can keep thinking that. But what interests me the most is if you think that at the beginning of this all if Ukraine knew that US will use Ukraine to intentionally keep this as a stalemate for their own benefit? How about EU? Or they were all just ignorant willing idiots? Surely if even you can see it, their ministries of foreign affairs must've known what US is up to, right

The problem is that Europe has accepted that the US will do whatever they want as long as they cover Europe with the nuclear deterrent and hold bases in Germany, Greece, Italy.... as someone said, the best way to defend Europe is "to have a US soldier there, preferably dead". In the end, if you need an ally, seems like usually the US is the less bad choice.

But it is actually good that the Trump-Putin tandem have woken up the EU to this. It is good that at least two European countries have some nuclear deterrence (Poland I am guessing may get it), that NATO is not completely gone and that as of now, billions are being approved to create a sufficient self-defence. It will take a few years, but it will be there.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62z6gljv2yo

Germany votes for historic boost to defence spending

Shocking who could've possibly predicted that there's a downside to outsourcing your military and agreeing to become a vassal. What's next, you gonna tell me that there are downsides to giving up rights to minerals on your land too? /s

Your obvious refusal to even comment on whether Ukrainian government knew the part that they were to play in this all along, or they were just used as incompetent idiots, is quiet telling in itself.

There are downside to evertything in life I guess, but being subject to Putin ... well, let's say that going to Ruzzia is not a trending topic. You can also ask how many people died trying to cross the Berlin wall from the west to the east... I am sure you get the point.

But that's fine, instead of cars it will be tanks. The obvious problem is that once a country has a big military it has a life of its own... they may feel compelled to use it (Again, I am sure you perfectly know this).

[tvbcof]

The Engels airbase has "kaboomed" big time. Apparently Ukraine managed to hit this target, not in the apron where the strategic bombers used to be, but in the nearby depot (sources mention that there were balistic missiles inside).

Seems that the size of Ruzzia is becoming a problem for its defence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8cebUiT6iE

There was definetly plenty of explosive material therem but some sources say that there were strategic bombers on-site, and with this explosion.. well, they may be there but in smaller pieces now.

 It is getting expensive for Ruzzia to be at war in Ukraine.

Gee, what's that funny looking thing in the sky heading in the direction of 'decision making centers'?  Looks like a big hazel blossom thingy.

Russia continue to hold pretty much all the cards, and to a fair degree the Collective West enjoys whatever latitude the Russians allow them.

[BADecker]

NATO, the European part, is starting to prepare for war, on the side of Ukraine.


7 Actions That NATO Countries Are Taking Which Indicate That Something Really Big Is Coming


This is really funny as it moves into far fuller scale after Ukraine bombed the Russian fuel pumping station, sending fuel prices up 2 or 3 percent.


What Ceasefire: European Gas Prices Jump After Ukraine Blows Up Key Gas Pumping Station In Russia In "Act Of Terrorism"


I mean, let's get out there and help the country that is harming us the most... Ukraine. Zelensky might be crazy, but it looks like NATO is following right in his footsteps. No wonder Trump wants out of the fight against Russia.

[hellflame]

Your "elected representatives" have brought this about on "your behalf" and you WILL have war whether you like it or not. Russia and europe WILL also be drawn into an escalation and possibly a limited nuclear exchange whether they like it or not. Ukraine WILL NOT be allowed to make peace with Russia and there WILL also "probably" be an incident in the Balkans for good measure.

China WILL be drawn into a conflict. The middle east WILL be at war. Ecomomic collapse WILL be on a global scale. There will be increased inflation on food and food shortages WILL happen. There WILL be social cataclysm within countries with large "multiculturalism projects" and there WILL be another pandemic for good measure.

Then there WILL be a new "social" economy after the dust settles and those who do not obey its precepts WILL have their assets taken from them by the "one" in charge.

Please excuse as my magic 8 ball is not working since oct 2, 2024 so I had to come up with the above myself.

[DaRude]

There are downside to evertything in life I guess, but being subject to Putin ... well, let's say that going to Ruzzia is not a trending topic. You can also ask how many people died trying to cross the Berlin wall from the west to the east... I am sure you get the point.

But that's fine, instead of cars it will be tanks. The obvious problem is that once a country has a big military it has a life of its own... they may feel compelled to use it (Again, I am sure you perfectly know this).

Ok i'll play, how many died trying to cross the Berlin wall up to 1980s? But then you should also answer how many Ukrainian young men died trying to escape from the Zelenskiy's government, including drowning in the river of death Tysa, frozen to death in the mountains, shot by border guards for trying to flee from Ukraine, mysterious deaths during busification etc etc etc ...? Do you think those full numbers can be released while Zelenskiy is still in power?

EU doesn't have cheap resources, look at German automakers and see how well they can even build cars without Russian gas (which have utility, and were exported globally including back to Russia). Then extrapolate that to tanks which have no utility, and are not exportable outside of NATO.

[paxmao]

There are downside to evertything in life I guess, but being subject to Putin ... well, let's say that going to Ruzzia is not a trending topic. You can also ask how many people died trying to cross the Berlin wall from the west to the east... I am sure you get the point.

But that's fine, instead of cars it will be tanks. The obvious problem is that once a country has a big military it has a life of its own... they may feel compelled to use it (Again, I am sure you perfectly know this).

Ok i'll play, how many died trying to cross the Berlin wall up to 1980s? But then you should also answer how many Ukrainian young men died trying to escape from the Zelenskiy's government, including drowning in the river of death Tysa, frozen to death in the mountains, shot by border guards for trying to flee from Ukraine, mysterious deaths during busification etc etc etc ...? Do you think those full numbers can be released while Zelenskiy is still in power?

EU doesn't have cheap resources, look at German automakers and see how well they can even build cars without Russian gas (which have utility, and were exported globally including back to Russia). Then extrapolate that to tanks which have no utility, and are not exportable outside of NATO.

You need to read the question and you can surely make an educated guess: How many people died crossing FROM WEST TO EAST. I am sure you can guess the answer. You can probably google or duckgo the oposite question. That should suffice to measure the attractiveness of living under Putin.

Ruzzia gas and some of the resources were very useful for Europe, but if it comes at the cost of having to go war or accept Putin waging war in Euorpe... well, I guess survival comes first.

BTW Canada also is a country of great resources.

NATO, the European part, is starting to prepare for war, on the side of Ukraine.


7 Actions That NATO Countries Are Taking Which Indicate That Something Really Big Is Coming


This is really funny as it moves into far fuller scale after Ukraine bombed the Russian fuel pumping station, sending fuel prices up 2 or 3 percent.


What Ceasefire: European Gas Prices Jump After Ukraine Blows Up Key Gas Pumping Station In Russia In "Act Of Terrorism"


I mean, let's get out there and help the country that is harming us the most... Ukraine. Zelensky might be crazy, but it looks like NATO is following right in his footsteps. No wonder Trump wants out of the fight against Russia.

That is not news. The EU is speaking of a massive military spending budget and supporting Ukraine. Big or not... well whatever.

[IngerlamandetS]

Russia has already lost, and has achieved almost no goals. If you have a desire, try to challenge

[DaRude]

There are downside to evertything in life I guess, but being subject to Putin ... well, let's say that going to Ruzzia is not a trending topic. You can also ask how many people died trying to cross the Berlin wall from the west to the east... I am sure you get the point.

But that's fine, instead of cars it will be tanks. The obvious problem is that once a country has a big military it has a life of its own... they may feel compelled to use it (Again, I am sure you perfectly know this).

Ok i'll play, how many died trying to cross the Berlin wall up to 1980s? But then you should also answer how many Ukrainian young men died trying to escape from the Zelenskiy's government, including drowning in the river of death Tysa, frozen to death in the mountains, shot by border guards for trying to flee from Ukraine, mysterious deaths during busification etc etc etc ...? Do you think those full numbers can be released while Zelenskiy is still in power?

EU doesn't have cheap resources, look at German automakers and see how well they can even build cars without Russian gas (which have utility, and were exported globally including back to Russia). Then extrapolate that to tanks which have no utility, and are not exportable outside of NATO.

You need to read the question and you can surely make an educated guess: How many people died crossing FROM WEST TO EAST. I am sure you can guess the answer. You can probably google or duckgo the oposite question. That should suffice to measure the attractiveness of living under Putin.

Ruzzia gas and some of the resources were very useful for Europe, but if it comes at the cost of having to go war or accept Putin waging war in Euorpe... well, I guess survival comes first.

BTW Canada also is a country of great resources.

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Googled, duckgo'ed, and even asked AI, all resources seem to agree that exponentially more Ukrainians died trying to flee Zelenskyi's regime than Russians running away from Putin, even though Putin was in power much longer. I guess that is a sufficient measurement of attractiveness of living under Zelenskyi

Gas was flowing into Europe in 2013 just fine while Ukraine was under Russia's sphere of influence, once again it's the cookies that changed that delicate balance that the world and EU is now paying for. If there were no outside meddling in Ukraine and elected officials weren't removed by a coup in 2014, Europe would continue getting cheap resources from Russia and selling back finished products back to Russia now. If Russia was expanding it's sphere with force instead of defending it, then it'd be a different conversation, but everyone knows that it's not the case here.

You mean USA's 51st state?

[paxmao]

There are downside to evertything in life I guess, but being subject to Putin ... well, let's say that going to Ruzzia is not a trending topic. You can also ask how many people died trying to cross the Berlin wall from the west to the east... I am sure you get the point.

But that's fine, instead of cars it will be tanks. The obvious problem is that once a country has a big military it has a life of its own... they may feel compelled to use it (Again, I am sure you perfectly know this).

Ok i'll play, how many died trying to cross the Berlin wall up to 1980s? But then you should also answer how many Ukrainian young men died trying to escape from the Zelenskiy's government, including drowning in the river of death Tysa, frozen to death in the mountains, shot by border guards for trying to flee from Ukraine, mysterious deaths during busification etc etc etc ...? Do you think those full numbers can be released while Zelenskiy is still in power?

EU doesn't have cheap resources, look at German automakers and see how well they can even build cars without Russian gas (which have utility, and were exported globally including back to Russia). Then extrapolate that to tanks which have no utility, and are not exportable outside of NATO.

You need to read the question and you can surely make an educated guess: How many people died crossing FROM WEST TO EAST. I am sure you can guess the answer. You can probably google or duckgo the oposite question. That should suffice to measure the attractiveness of living under Putin.

Ruzzia gas and some of the resources were very useful for Europe, but if it comes at the cost of having to go war or accept Putin waging war in Euorpe... well, I guess survival comes first.

BTW Canada also is a country of great resources.

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Googled, duckgo'ed, and even asked AI, all resources seem to agree that exponentially more Ukrainians died trying to flee Zelenskyi's regime than Russians running away from Putin, even though Putin was in power much longer. I guess that is a sufficient measurement of attractiveness of living under Zelenskyi

Gas was flowing into Europe in 2013 just fine while Ukraine was under Russia's sphere of influence, once again it's the cookies that changed that delicate balance that the world and EU is now paying for. If there were no outside meddling in Ukraine and elected officials weren't removed by a coup in 2014, Europe would continue getting cheap resources from Russia and selling back finished products back to Russia now. If Russia was expanding it's sphere with force instead of defending it, then it'd be a different conversation, but everyone knows that it's not the case here.

You mean USA's 51st state?

That was not the question - you obviously would not like the answer, so changed it to smething else, but as usual, I willl humour.

Classic example of confusing data with interpretation. Ukranians are leaving Ukraine and you interpret that as "fleeing Zelensky regime", while I interpret it as trying to avoid getting bombed or otherwise killed by Putin, or to be sent to war and then be killed by Putin.

What is curious is that any Ruzzian, who have very little likelyhood of being killed by Ukraine except if the work in the oil industry do flee their country. Now, THAT is fleeing a regime.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/23/border-queues-build-as-people-flee-russia-to-escape-putin-call-up

But let's talk about something more interesting: nearly every refinery of certain size in 500 km around Ukraine has been hit by now...

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/every-russian-oil-refinery-attacked-ukrainian-drones-mapped-3508571

The new missite "Long Neptune" - well re-cooked or whatever - has even a longer undisclosed range and the drones are clearly able to reach Moscow... (this is Ruzzian saying so)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSwYr1_-dCM

It seems that Ukraine is now able to return blow by blow the attacks on energy and oil exports. It may take quite a bit for Ruzzia to re-build.

[Branko]

It seems that Ukraine is now able to return blow by blow the attacks on energy and oil exports. It may take quite a bit for Ruzzia to re-build.

But since it won't change situation on a front even a little bit, its obvious
targets are not chosen by Ukraine, but by Rooineks

[paxmao]

It seems that Ukraine is now able to return blow by blow the attacks on energy and oil exports. It may take quite a bit for Ruzzia to re-build.

But since it won't change situation on a front even a little bit, its obvious
targets are not chosen by Ukraine, but by Rooineks

For what it is being hit, I would say that is only to the liking of Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and other OPEC. Who in his right mind would recommend to hit oil infrastructure and oil export infrastructure when half of the world is in the brink o recession.

No, Branko, all Europe would rather have cheap oil and gas. You, once again, can guess who needs the oil price to be artifically high to develop their domestic oil production which otherwise is not economical.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/06/25/fact-check-domestic-oil-more-affordable-than-imported-oil-gas-prices/7723568001/

In the past 10 years, domestic oil has cost more. You have to go back to November 2012 to find a month when the cost of a barrel of domestic oil was less than a barrel of imported oil. In April, the most recent month for which we have numbers, a barrel of domestic oil cost $7.13 more than a barrel of imported oil. Since February 2021 — the month when the price returned to its pre-pandemic level — domestic oil has cost an average of $4.06 more per barrel.

In Rystad’s 2020 analysis, at $31 a barrel, onshore Middle Eastern oil fields have the world’s lowest production cost. For deepwater wells, which would include some U.S. production, the number is $43 a barrel, and for North American oil produced through fracking (hydraulic fracturing), the cost is $44 a barrel. Other North American sources cost even more

Branko... there is only one winner in this war. It is not Ruzzia, it is not Ukraine, it is not Europe.

[Branko]

Branko... there is only one winner in this war. It is not Ruzzia, it is not Ukraine, it is not Europe.

This game is not played on a day by day basis, and daily needs of regular people
are of not of any consideration, either

[montaga]

Looking at old maps this is more a tribal war than anything else
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/5804883/jewish/Who-Were-the-Khazars.htm


Rough outline in modern times and the warzone

[tvbcof]

Looking at old maps this is more a tribal war than anything else
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/5804883/jewish/Who-Were-the-Khazars.htm


Rough outline in modern times and the warzone

I suggest that it has more to do with the the much more recent 'pale of settlement', although that itself probably has at it roots, a relationship of some elements of the Khazaria phenomenon.

  https://alchetron.com/Pale-of-Settlement

More even than that, present and future control over all of the lands between Russia and Europe.  Even here there are probably roots which can be traced back to Khazaria, and more directly to the pale-of-settlement dynamics which likely are within the timeframe of recent generational memory of some of the more important actors.  (Fink, Nudelman, etc.)

Studying this thread of issues allowed me to some years ago predict that Russia probably would not go for Odessa due to a variety of things.  So far it has held.

One would be pressures from within Russia itself who, let's not forget, endured a fairly recent block of time under 'Bolshevik' management and abuse and at the very least have a fair degree of residual influence from the movers and shakers of this group.  At the very least, the 'oligarchs' hold on to a fair bit of the economic power blessed to them by the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Another would be that the entire 'Collective West', who's 'leaders' are all complete slaves to the largely 'Jewish' banking powers and/or are crypto-'Jews' themselves, will fight to the last goyim to maintain control of that highly important city.  And Russia would simply lose to much or risk the destruction of the entire human race.  Unlike the so-called 'Jews', the Russians are simply not, on balance, utter fundamentalist psychopaths.

[DaRude]

There are downside to evertything in life I guess, but being subject to Putin ... well, let's say that going to Ruzzia is not a trending topic. You can also ask how many people died trying to cross the Berlin wall from the west to the east... I am sure you get the point.

But that's fine, instead of cars it will be tanks. The obvious problem is that once a country has a big military it has a life of its own... they may feel compelled to use it (Again, I am sure you perfectly know this).

Ok i'll play, how many died trying to cross the Berlin wall up to 1980s? But then you should also answer how many Ukrainian young men died trying to escape from the Zelenskiy's government, including drowning in the river of death Tysa, frozen to death in the mountains, shot by border guards for trying to flee from Ukraine, mysterious deaths during busification etc etc etc ...? Do you think those full numbers can be released while Zelenskiy is still in power?

EU doesn't have cheap resources, look at German automakers and see how well they can even build cars without Russian gas (which have utility, and were exported globally including back to Russia). Then extrapolate that to tanks which have no utility, and are not exportable outside of NATO.

You need to read the question and you can surely make an educated guess: How many people died crossing FROM WEST TO EAST. I am sure you can guess the answer. You can probably google or duckgo the oposite question. That should suffice to measure the attractiveness of living under Putin.

Ruzzia gas and some of the resources were very useful for Europe, but if it comes at the cost of having to go war or accept Putin waging war in Euorpe... well, I guess survival comes first.

BTW Canada also is a country of great resources.

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Googled, duckgo'ed, and even asked AI, all resources seem to agree that exponentially more Ukrainians died trying to flee Zelenskyi's regime than Russians running away from Putin, even though Putin was in power much longer. I guess that is a sufficient measurement of attractiveness of living under Zelenskyi

Gas was flowing into Europe in 2013 just fine while Ukraine was under Russia's sphere of influence, once again it's the cookies that changed that delicate balance that the world and EU is now paying for. If there were no outside meddling in Ukraine and elected officials weren't removed by a coup in 2014, Europe would continue getting cheap resources from Russia and selling back finished products back to Russia now. If Russia was expanding it's sphere with force instead of defending it, then it'd be a different conversation, but everyone knows that it's not the case here.

You mean USA's 51st state?

That was not the question - you obviously would not like the answer, so changed it to smething else, but as usual, I willl humour.

Classic example of confusing data with interpretation. Ukranians are leaving Ukraine and you interpret that as "fleeing Zelensky regime", while I interpret it as trying to avoid getting bombed or otherwise killed by Putin, or to be sent to war and then be killed by Putin.

What is curious is that any Ruzzian, who have very little likelyhood of being killed by Ukraine except if the work in the oil industry do flee their country. Now, THAT is fleeing a regime.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/23/border-queues-build-as-people-flee-russia-to-escape-putin-call-up

But let's talk about something more interesting: nearly every refinery of certain size in 500 km around Ukraine has been hit by now...

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/every-russian-oil-refinery-attacked-ukrainian-drones-mapped-3508571

The new missite "Long Neptune" - well re-cooked or whatever - has even a longer undisclosed range and the drones are clearly able to reach Moscow... (this is Ruzzian saying so)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSwYr1_-dCM

It seems that Ukraine is now able to return blow by blow the attacks on energy and oil exports. It may take quite a bit for Ruzzia to re-build.

1,700 Ukrainian troops equipped by the West flee after being trained in France - leaving the rest of their brigade to suffer heavy losses in battle with Putin's forces -Daily Mail
looking into the circumstances surrounding the death in the Odesa region of a serviceman who it suggested was shot after going AWOL and trying to get to Moldova illegally along with three other men. -RadeoFreeEurope
30 men have died while attempting to flee Ukraine to avoid military service, official says -Fox News
Ukrainians risk lives to flee draft via icy Romanian pass -France24
As mobilization rules kick in, some Ukrainian men pay to flee, dodging draft -The Washington Post
Nearly 20,000 men have fled Ukraine to avoid being drafted -BBC
Another 21,113 men attempted to flee but were caught by the Ukrainian authorities, Kyiv confirmed. -BBC
Ukrainian Men Desperate to Escape War Are Drowning as They Flee -The Wall Street Journal


 

Looks like i'm not the only one confusing things. You should contact all these publications and ask them to replace Ukrainian men fleeing Zelenskyi's regime, to "interpret it as trying to avoid"...getting shot by their own border guards or whatever Ukrainian ministry of propaganda wants to call it now.

In Russia men are free to leave on planes, ships or by cars and don't have to climb through mountains or swim across rivers while dodging bullets from their own border guards. Your article about how thousands of Russian men managed to leave Russia at once with their biggest obstacle being long queues at the boarder, only proves that point.

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Branko... there is only one winner in this war. It is not Ruzzia, it is not Ukraine, it is not Europe.

US paid with political instability, and loosing goodwill and influence in Europe and globally.

So must be China, right? Europe and US have been providing China with free discount on oil, gas and other minerals, metals etc... for over 3 years now, without getting anything back in return. Also they handed Russian market to China for free, all while raising costs in Europe and making manufacturing there non competitive. Are there any downsides to China in this that i'm not seeing   I'm sure China wouldn't mind EU/US giving them discount on all resources China gets from Russia for few more years. Care to research how much money this saved China?

[nakitalk]

How many times have there been negotiations? It seems to me that everything is in vain.

[paxmao]

How many times have there been negotiations? It seems to me that everything is in vain.

The problem is that the latest imposition from the US provides a lot to Ruzzia and gives Ukraine something that they already had - basically a maritime peace or truce if you will. Ruzzia got some sanctions lifted, while Ukraine can do some exports, which were already possible anyway. I think that Trump de$$$$erves a very big thank you from Putin and I am sure he will get it one way or another.

Branko... there is only one winner in this war. It is not Ruzzia, it is not Ukraine, it is not Europe.

This game is not played on a day by day basis, and daily needs of regular people
are of not of any consideration, either

The needs of the regular people can be mostly - to a point - be ignored in Ruzzia safely, but it is much more difficult to ignore in countries in which people vote. It may easily get you out of government

Otherwise, there is a daily game, but a long term strategy - and you know who is setting it as much as I do.

[BADecker]

Modern Russia is different than the USSR. Modern Russia doesn't use war tactics to conquer nations. The Ukraine war was and is the West using a different form of war tactics to attempt to conquer Russia. Russia's war-like response was and is simply a method to protect themselves from the West.

How do we know that this is true? We know it by the money, military armament, and troops the West is pouring into Ukraine, and was pouring long before the formal war started in 2022.

Why is the West formulating this war? Because Western leaders and Western wealthy people want to oust Russian leaders so that THEY can 'steal' the wealth and resources of Russia and Siberia from the Russian people.

This war is the last chance the West will have to conquer Russia. Why? Because Western wealth is built of fake fiat money, which is being used to control the world. But Russia was outsmarting the West using the West's own money tactics against them. It was (and is) being done through simple, honest trade between Russia and other nations.

USSR tactics being used in full scale as the the USSR used them is gone. But the West has found other tactics - lying and deceiving their own citizenry for support - that work better than USSR conquering tactics. Russia, however, has seen through what the West is doing, and is protecting her own people from the Western deception.

It's time for the standard, common, average citizens of the Western countries to wake up and depose their own leaders who are using fake fiat to try to conquer Russia. Such is happening, and the Western leaders know it. The fake fiat will fall and fail. And this is the last chance the Western leaders have to make it work. So, they are trying as hard as they can to make it work for themselves.

Ukraine happened to be a handy way to make their last stand to conquer Russia. They (Western leaders) don't care how many Ukrainians or Russians have to die so that they can conquer Russian lands once and for all. And that is why we have this war that most people consider to be a useless war, and that most people don't understand why it is happening. Even Trump's so-called peace attempts are a method to further the conquering of Russia.

[paxmao]

Modern Russia is different than the USSR. Modern Russia doesn't use war tactics to conquer nations.

[...]

They have used and keep using war (e.g. Chechenia, Georgia, UKRAINE).

Modern Ruzzia is not even half of the economic and political power that used to be but that is exactly the issue: they still hold the residual power from the Soviet Union in the shape of bombers, fighters, the nukes, etc... but all that is not there because "moder Ruzzia" made it, in fact their army has been deteriorating to the point in which it has become the second army... in Ukraine.

[BADecker]

Modern Russia is different than the USSR. Modern Russia doesn't use war tactics to conquer nations.

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They have used and keep using war (e.g. Chechenia, Georgia, UKRAINE).

Modern Ruzzia is not even half of the economic and political power that used to be but that is exactly the issue: they still hold the residual power from the Soviet Union in the shape of bombers, fighters, the nukes, etc... but all that is not there because "moder Ruzzia" made it, in fact their army has been deteriorating to the point in which it has become the second army... in Ukraine.

The difference is the way that Russia uses war. Russian war today is for self defense, basically... not for conquest. However, when they are provoked, if they gain the upper hand, they might push a little farther than simple defense. But still, basically not much farther.

Modern Russia holds some war materials for self defense if needed. And they should, just like any country. The fact that they have reduced much of it simply shows that they are not like the USSR, which was a military conquest type of country. Modern Russia was trying to fit itself into the world economy by world trade. The West simply wouldn't allow it, because Russia would have traded them right out of existence.

If you look at the Ukraine war, you will see that Russia is gradually advancing into Ukraine. And they are doing it without using most of their military, which remains in Russia. And they are doing it against the combined forces of Europe and what little the US is maintaining there. It's worth noting that without all kinds of help from other countries, Ukraine would have folded a couple years ago.