[Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight (july15,2023

[Jawhead999]

If Donaire doesn't want a tougher opponent, then he should be happy with his. The odds aren't yet available, but I believe Donaire will be the favorite. It's just sad that he's coming off a big loss against Inoue, so I hope he's still very confident, and we'll see his signature KO punch again.

Donaire already fought for 49 times, had 7 losses and been fought in many countries, so I'm pretty sure he doesn't have any mental issue or nervous. The problem might his stamina, in the last 3 fights where he's already 38 years old he fight only for 4 rounds, so we don't know if the fight will goes distance and how good is Donaire during late rounds. If Donaire can't KO Santiago in the first 6 rounds, I'm not quite sure Donaire will win.

[Yaunfitda]

If Donaire doesn't want a tougher opponent, then he should be happy with his. The odds aren't yet available, but I believe Donaire will be the favorite. It's just sad that he's coming off a big loss against Inoue, so I hope he's still very confident, and we'll see his signature KO punch again.

Donaire already fought for 49 times, had 7 losses and been fought in many countries, so I'm pretty sure he doesn't have any mental issue or nervous. The problem might his stamina, in the last 3 fights where he's already 38 years old he fight only for 4 rounds, so we don't know if the fight will goes distance and how good is Donaire during late rounds. If Donaire can't KO Santiago in the first 6 rounds, I'm not quite sure Donaire will win.

If he can't KO Santiago early, I think he still has a good chance to win in the scorecard,

a. dominate the rest of the fight
b. uses his jab to let Santiago at bay and not get closer to him
c. conserved his early

And with his experience, if he can't land his knockout power, then he will try to look for other avenues to win the fight.

[inthelongrun]

I am also confident of a Donaire KO win but his inactivity plus his age might be a factor if he can't stop Santiago in the first half of the fight. Donaire is not fast anymore but he is accurate although he might become slower with low output in the second half.

Santiago since his draw with Jerwin Ancajas had an 11-1-7 KOs record. His lone defeat was the controversial majority decision of Gary Antonio Russell. He might be underestimated here but he is really capable of beating Donaire by decision.

[Fundamentals Of]

This is a good thing that another opponent is already considered for Donaire. It was unfortunate that his match against Moloney was cancelled. But I hope the schedule for this new match would mean that his initial preparations against Moloney won't go to waste. So it should be soon, not too far from the date set for the Moloney match.

People changed their view on the chances of Donaire winning when he was matched with Moloney, the majority thinks that Donaire will lose, but with this new opponent, they think Donaire will easily win, so it's like probably a downgrade of the opponent, but it's better than nothing and at least this is a championship fight.

There might still be changes in the training and strategies prepared because of the change of opponent but at least Donaire has already started getting into shape and there's still enough time left. He's got an easier opponent now.

That's for sure, but there's still plenty of time to prepare, so I'm sure Donaire's camp won't be having a problem with that.

They're probably celebrating that Donaire is now facing Santiago. Santiago is probably not as dangerous as Moloney. Santiago's power is also much lesser than Moloney's. Santiago is shorter as well and has shorter reach also. This match will definitely be a lot easier for Donaire.

And yes it is a title fight. Donaire couldn't ask for more. Of course he is still a strong and dangerous boxer but we all have to accept the fact that as you age you will have to lose a lot of your boxing capabilities. Donaire will probably be more confident this time and will win over Santiago.

If Donaire doesn't want a tougher opponent, then he should be happy with his. The odds aren't yet available, but I believe Donaire will be the favorite. It's just sad that he's coming off a big loss against Inoue, so I hope he's still very confident, and we'll see his signature KO punch again.

He definitely wants a strong opponent but not the toughest. He needs to consider his circumstances. I'm sure his team is also more careful now in choosing who Donaire fights.

I have not yet seen any odds also but it is indeed possible Donaire will come out the favorite, but only slightly not a big favorite.

His loss to Inoue shouldn't bother him anymore. He should've just accepted that Inoue is fighting at his peak while he is already on his way down. And losing to an incredible champion is still worth it.

[Yaunfitda]

^He already did acknowledge that, he knows that it's hard to beat that version of Inoue who is still in his prime. He just wanted to test it out that's why he want toe to toe with him but eventually it was the wrong decision for him as he was knockout cold by Inoue.

And now he had move forward, although he has been hinting to go down to 115 lbs.

But it's all changed when Inoue decided to move up and that open another door for him to become a world champ at bantamweight.

[Silberman]

I think the stamina of Donaire is probably the biggest enigma about him, since the pandemic started he has fought only 3 times, not a single one of those fights have gone farther than the 4 round and in aggregate he has only fought for 10 total rounds, and for someone which is 40 years old keeping up with a youngster which is only 27 years old could be problematic, and unless he can beat him during the first rounds he could get in trouble simply due to the superior endurance and stamina of Santiago.

[Hypnosis00]

I think the stamina of Donaire is probably the biggest enigma about him, since the pandemic started he has fought only 3 times, not a single one of those fights have gone farther than the 4 round and in aggregate he has only fought for 10 total rounds, and for someone which is 40 years old keeping up with a youngster which is only 27 years old could be problematic, and unless he can beat him during the first rounds he could get in trouble simply due to the superior endurance and stamina of Santiago.

He will certainly make adjustments to his strategy, as he knows that taking this fight to 12 rounds will put him at a disadvantage. Even during Donaire's younger years when he won championships, his fights usually ended early due to his accurate counter-punching ability. If he still possesses that power and precision, there is no way Santiago can win against the Flash.

[Wapfika]

I think the stamina of Donaire is probably the biggest enigma about him, since the pandemic started he has fought only 3 times, not a single one of those fights have gone farther than the 4 round and in aggregate he has only fought for 10 total rounds, and for someone which is 40 years old keeping up with a youngster which is only 27 years old could be problematic, and unless he can beat him during the first rounds he could get in trouble simply due to the superior endurance and stamina of Santiago.

He will certainly make adjustments to his strategy, as he knows that taking this fight to 12 rounds will put him at a disadvantage. Even during Donaire's younger years when he won championships, his fights usually ended early due to his accurate counter-punching ability. If he still possesses that power and precision, there is no way Santiago can win against the Flash.

It’s very hard to adjust if the body aged itself is the problem. I don’t see the flash anymore on his fight especially with his recent fight. I knew that Naoya is on different league with Santiago but still he is also young and he can make this game to 12 rounds to beat the sit out of Donaire due to his stamina issue.

Only Gaballo is the one he defeated young since he is too careless due to his arrogance. But I doubt Santiago will do the same given with his experience.

[Japinat]

However, Donaire is now fighting a different opponent, so we'll most probably see the power that we're talking about in this fight.

That's guaranteed. The fact that Santiago does not have the KO power of Inoue means this fight might last longer if Donaire does not knock out Santiago. We all know that Donaire is still hungry for a win; he wants to be at the top again. And now that Inoue is not a hindrance anymore, he will certainly not waste this opportunity to come back at the top.

And I'm also under the same impression as well that Donaire will do anything he can to have that belt again and be a champion once more, I bet they are the ones who found Santiago because they can't just be sitting ducks without doing anything except from waiting, that's how determined they are to have a title fight as soon as possible as they also know that Donaire's time is fast approaching already.

[TimeTeller]

However, Donaire is now fighting a different opponent, so we'll most probably see the power that we're talking about in this fight.

That's guaranteed. The fact that Santiago does not have the KO power of Inoue means this fight might last longer if Donaire does not knock out Santiago. We all know that Donaire is still hungry for a win; he wants to be at the top again. And now that Inoue is not a hindrance anymore, he will certainly not waste this opportunity to come back at the top.

And I'm also under the same impression as well that Donaire will do anything he can to have that belt again and be a champion once more, I bet they are the ones who found Santiago because they can't just be sitting ducks without doing anything except from waiting, that's how determined they are to have a title fight as soon as possible as they also know that Donaire's time is fast approaching already.

Definitely, Donaire's camp needs to decide fast as he is not getting any younger.
As much as possible, finish whatever Donaire wants to achieve before his retirement.
I believe, he is indeed aiming to retire a champion with belts on, now that Inoue is out in this division.
This should be an easy fight for Donaire if he will show his technical skills as well as his strength inside the ring.

[Baofeng]

I am also confident of a Donaire KO win but his inactivity plus his age might be a factor if he can't stop Santiago in the first half of the fight. Donaire is not fast anymore but he is accurate although he might become slower with low output in the second half.

Yeah, in his last couple of fights wherein he won, he simply go for the KO from this younger guys. So he might go the same here, chase Santiago early and test him as he doesn't want to go to full 12 rounds because he will run out of gas.

Santiago since his draw with Jerwin Ancajas had an 11-1-7 KOs record. His lone defeat was the controversial majority decision of Gary Antonio Russell. He might be underestimated here but he is really capable of beating Donaire by decision.

Right, but we all know, but Donaire will be deliberate in this fight and won't take Santiago lightly as his career is on the line. And because he will be motivated to really win that belt again. I'm looking for his left hook again to finish the fight.

[Oilacris]

However, Donaire is now fighting a different opponent, so we'll most probably see the power that we're talking about in this fight.

That's guaranteed. The fact that Santiago does not have the KO power of Inoue means this fight might last longer if Donaire does not knock out Santiago. We all know that Donaire is still hungry for a win; he wants to be at the top again. And now that Inoue is not a hindrance anymore, he will certainly not waste this opportunity to come back at the top.

And I'm also under the same impression as well that Donaire will do anything he can to have that belt again and be a champion once more, I bet they are the ones who found Santiago because they can't just be sitting ducks without doing anything except from waiting, that's how determined they are to have a title fight as soon as possible as they also know that Donaire's time is fast approaching already.

It is really just the right thing to be done rather than on waiting up for some offers or fights to be set out.I agree on that fact that it would really be just right to have that aggressive approach about

on trying out to get the belts on what Inoue had left or vacated.Who doesnt really want to become a beltholder for a specific division? It isnt really still that late for Donaire and
basing up on some stats.

Boxing Record

Total Fights   49
Wins   42
Losses   7
Draws   0
No-Contests   0
KO Wins   28
Total Title Wins   10
Title Defenses   10
Title-Fight KO Wins   12
Losses via KO   2

Source: https://www.martialbot.com/boxing/n/nonito-donaire.html

So he had some 10 title wins.

[inthelongrun]

Ever since Boxrec created its own dumb division rankings and p4p rankings and are sometimes used by casuals, I'd been hoping of another record tracker website that is reliable enough to replace them. It's my first time to hear Martialbot but sadly a simple record of a future HOFer they failed to show correctly. Donaire's title fight record is actually 17-5-12 KOs. It's nearly impossible for a 4 division champion to only have 10 title wins. Donaire's return to bantamweight alone, he made 4 wins over Burnett, Young, Oubale and Gaballo. Hopefully, they can correct it and avoid further mistakes, otherwise it will never be used by the hardcore boxing community.

[Natalim]

Santiago since his draw with Jerwin Ancajas had an 11-1-7 KOs record. His lone defeat was the controversial majority decision of Gary Antonio Russell. He might be underestimated here but he is really capable of beating Donaire by decision.

Right, but we all know, but Donaire will be deliberate in this fight and won't take Santiago lightly as his career is on the line. And because he will be motivated to really win that belt again. I'm looking for his left hook again to finish the fight.

Donaire is fortunate to have Santiago as his opponent in a title match; he's not a very tough opponent, so everyone is expecting Donaire to win and get a belt in his division again. Not having to fight Inoue is a big relief for any contender, so they can now compete on a more level playing field. I'm not saying Donaire will win easily, but at least this opponent is not ranked amongst the best in this division.

[yazher]

I think the stamina of Donaire is probably the biggest enigma about him, since the pandemic started he has fought only 3 times, not a single one of those fights have gone farther than the 4 round and in aggregate he has only fought for 10 total rounds, and for someone which is 40 years old keeping up with a youngster which is only 27 years old could be problematic, and unless he can beat him during the first rounds he could get in trouble simply due to the superior endurance and stamina of Santiago.

No matter how fast and strong he is when he won't get a chance to land those power punches in the early rounds he would be in real trouble when his opponent will start to get serious and he is out of stamina. He is just like another soon to retired boxer when he reaches that age because no matter how hard his training is when he gets old, he will start to slow down and he is injury prone. But he is still not gonna back off when it comes to his opponent because we know him, he likes to gamble his power punches and take those counters just to land serious damage against his opponent.

[Yamifoud]

I think the stamina of Donaire is probably the biggest enigma about him, since the pandemic started he has fought only 3 times, not a single one of those fights have gone farther than the 4 round and in aggregate he has only fought for 10 total rounds, and for someone which is 40 years old keeping up with a youngster which is only 27 years old could be problematic, and unless he can beat him during the first rounds he could get in trouble simply due to the superior endurance and stamina of Santiago.

No matter how fast and strong he is when he won't get a chance to land those power punches in the early rounds he would be in real trouble when his opponent will start to get serious and he is out of stamina. He is just like another soon to retired boxer when he reaches that age because no matter how hard his training is when he gets old, he will start to slow down and he is injury prone. But he is still not gonna back off when it comes to his opponent because we know him, he likes to gamble his power punches and take those counters just to land serious damage against his opponent.

I wouldn't consider that a possibility, as Donaire had been dominating in the bantamweight division prior to his fight with Inoue. Even though Inoue has moved up, we can still consider Donaire a serious threat to anyone who wants to compete for the belts. Donaire has matured in boxing, and he knows how to exploit his opponent's weaknesses using his advantages.

[Yaunfitda]

I think the stamina of Donaire is probably the biggest enigma about him, since the pandemic started he has fought only 3 times, not a single one of those fights have gone farther than the 4 round and in aggregate he has only fought for 10 total rounds, and for someone which is 40 years old keeping up with a youngster which is only 27 years old could be problematic, and unless he can beat him during the first rounds he could get in trouble simply due to the superior endurance and stamina of Santiago.

No matter how fast and strong he is when he won't get a chance to land those power punches in the early rounds he would be in real trouble when his opponent will start to get serious and he is out of stamina. He is just like another soon to retired boxer when he reaches that age because no matter how hard his training is when he gets old, he will start to slow down and he is injury prone. But he is still not gonna back off when it comes to his opponent because we know him, he likes to gamble his power punches and take those counters just to land serious damage against his opponent.

I wouldn't consider that a possibility, as Donaire had been dominating in the bantamweight division prior to his fight with Inoue. Even though Inoue has moved up, we can still consider Donaire a serious threat to anyone who wants to compete for the belts. Donaire has matured in boxing, and he knows how to exploit his opponent's weaknesses using his advantages.

Yes, he has been dominating this division before and when he tries to move up and got destroyed, other says that it will be the end of Donaire's career. But he become a champion again, runner up to Inoue in the WBSS tournament like 3-4 years ago and it was a resurgent career for him.

So he still have his chance to become a champion and should be consider as one of the best bantamweight of our generation. And I think everyone in the bantamweight division knows that as well. Moloney avoided him for that reason and decided to chase WBO belt.

[Casdinyard]

I am also confident of a Donaire KO win but his inactivity plus his age might be a factor if he can't stop Santiago in the first half of the fight. Donaire is not fast anymore but he is accurate although he might become slower with low output in the second half.

Santiago since his draw with Jerwin Ancajas had an 11-1-7 KOs record. His lone defeat was the controversial majority decision of Gary Antonio Russell. He might be underestimated here but he is really capable of beating Donaire by decision.

I think the best approach Donaire could take in this fight and every other fight he may take should he reconsider his retirement is to be technical, but retain the explosive power of his punches. Given that he's not fast anymore and that he's aging, his stamina is also bound to be lesser than back when he was still in his prime. So less movements, more technicality, and retaining the same punching power would almost always guarantee him a win one way or another. As for Santiago, i believe if he couldn't KO this guy, he still has a chance at winning via technicalities. I think he knows that too, but judging Santiago's performance and record, this isn't going to be an easy retirement fight for Donaire.

[Japinat]

However, Donaire is now fighting a different opponent, so we'll most probably see the power that we're talking about in this fight.

That's guaranteed. The fact that Santiago does not have the KO power of Inoue means this fight might last longer if Donaire does not knock out Santiago. We all know that Donaire is still hungry for a win; he wants to be at the top again. And now that Inoue is not a hindrance anymore, he will certainly not waste this opportunity to come back at the top.

And I'm also under the same impression as well that Donaire will do anything he can to have that belt again and be a champion once more, I bet they are the ones who found Santiago because they can't just be sitting ducks without doing anything except from waiting, that's how determined they are to have a title fight as soon as possible as they also know that Donaire's time is fast approaching already.

Definitely, Donaire's camp needs to decide fast as he is not getting any younger.
As much as possible, finish whatever Donaire wants to achieve before his retirement.
I believe, he is indeed aiming to retire a champion with belts on, now that Inoue is out in this division.
This should be an easy fight for Donaire if he will show his technical skills as well as his strength inside the ring.

I agree, Donaire won't surely retire at this rate especially after that loss against Inoue as that's not a good exit for someone like him that carved his way through the top and be known. Although after this fight, let's say Donaire had succeed on his championship campaign, I think they will still weigh somethings first because the opportunity will be wasted as there's no threat in the division as of now because Inoue vacated it already. So, that said, maybe he will grab another one belt before he hangs his gloves completely.

[cabron]

Santiago since his draw with Jerwin Ancajas had an 11-1-7 KOs record. His lone defeat was the controversial majority decision of Gary Antonio Russell. He might be underestimated here but he is really capable of beating Donaire by decision.

Right, but we all know, but Donaire will be deliberate in this fight and won't take Santiago lightly as his career is on the line. And because he will be motivated to really win that belt again. I'm looking for his left hook again to finish the fight.

Donaire is fortunate to have Santiago as his opponent in a title match; he's not a very tough opponent, so everyone is expecting Donaire to win and get a belt in his division again. Not having to fight Inoue is a big relief for any contender, so they can now compete on a more level playing field. I'm not saying Donaire will win easily, but at least this opponent is not ranked amongst the best in this division.

Sure he is one exciting boxer to watch while fighting. Even at his age, he is given the chance to win a champ title.
There are certain Donaire fights that really live long in my memory. 

The promotion I think wanted to see him up there in the ring and defend the title while the best in this division but it's still risky when he is challenged by a younger contender. This match makes sports betting more like guessing.