[Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight (july15,2023

[Kelvinid]

Unlike in the 80's, maybe the era for most of us here who started to watch boxing. And then we see those legendary fights, even trilogy just to settle the score. Now it's a totally different era. And we really don't know who is really the best in the division unless they face each other.

The world has really changed; everything now is only about the money. Well, boxing is a form of entertainment, and those who entertain the people get paid. So, it's understandable that some boxers would evade opponents they think are hard to beat. That way, they can stay in the business for a long time and continue to make money. Nowadays, pride has already been replaced with price.

[Viscore]

Unlike in the 80's, maybe the era for most of us here who started to watch boxing. And then we see those legendary fights, even trilogy just to settle the score. Now it's a totally different era. And we really don't know who is really the best in the division unless they face each other.

The world has really changed; everything now is only about the money. Well, boxing is a form of entertainment, and those who entertain the people get paid. So, it's understandable that some boxers would evade opponents they think are hard to beat. That way, they can stay in the business for a long time and continue to make money. Nowadays, pride has already been replaced with price.

You have to accept the reality because it's the promoter that is dictating the fight now, and there have been some kind of politics happening, as even the governing bodies are not independent enough. There are still financial aspects involved with promoters. Let's just hope that Moloney will be forced to fight a challenger who has the capability of beating him. It would be a shame for him to lose to a fighter who isn't even a champion. That's the kind of price he would pay if he continues to evade Donaire.

[inthelongrun]

Unlike in the 80's, maybe the era for most of us here who started to watch boxing. And then we see those legendary fights, even trilogy just to settle the score. Now it's a totally different era. And we really don't know who is really the best in the division unless they face each other.

The world has really changed; everything now is only about the money. Well, boxing is a form of entertainment, and those who entertain the people get paid. So, it's understandable that some boxers would evade opponents they think are hard to beat. That way, they can stay in the business for a long time and continue to make money. Nowadays, pride has already been replaced with price.

And because of it, many people branded boxing as a dying sport. I for one have been disappointed a lot of times especially when fights are not being made of some fighters waited too much until their rivals are out of their prime. And yet, it is a fact that the purse involved in boxing is growing bigger than ever which means the sport is very much alive although it is becoming more of a business aspect. There were even years when Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. became the highest-paid athletes. And prior to Ronaldo's insane offer from Saudi, boxing's biggest superstars can easily become the highest-paid athletes if they fight 3 to 4 times per year.

In this division, I am confident that WBA Takuma Inoue and WBO Jason Moloney are willing to unify the belts to determine the next undisputed champion. The same with Donaire if he wins against Santiago for the WBC diadem. Not sure about the IBF though, Rodriguez is expected to become champion again and he is with PBC.

[Kasabus]

And to think, maybe Moloney can indeed evade Donaire for good because there are other vacant belts that needs to be possessed and given the latter's situation, he might not last that long in the industry where he can fight Moloney and be the undisputed champion while there are no boxers that are much stronger than him.

That doesn't sound good; a champion evading his fellow champion gives the impression that he doesn't want to achieve the ultimate success of being the best of the best. If only champions were required for a unification fight, we would certainly witness an entertaining matchup. As it stands, Moloney can cherry-pick opponents to maintain his championship status.

If only that is how this industry works, we probably had some champions who are only the best of their divisions and are truly strong compared to the others who failed in climbing the ladder because they will no longer have the choice to select an opponent as they will have to fight anybody who are trying to replace them in their own throne. But that's just too good to be true because we all know that it's not how the industry works, the leverage gives them an advantage to maintain their status even without fighting somebody who is indeed a lot more stronger than them and by now, it's not that new as we have know some of them.

It's business now and they are looking for a fight that can give them more money, and then less risk high rewards. Maybe for Moloney this is high risk for them and his team will have to find excuses to stay away from Donaire which they did and then go on easy fight to win the vacated belt. So good strategy by his camp for this one. Unlike in the 80's, maybe the era for most of us here who started to watch boxing. And then we see those legendary fights, even trilogy just to settle the score. Now it's a totally different era. And we really don't know who is really the best in the division unless they face each other.

Now it's more on the business side and somehow, we can say that most of these boxers got their books and lessons from Mayweather Jr. because the renowned boxing champion maintained his glory days while also executing some of the tricks to retain his status and be undefeated until the day he retired, but the trouble is, we cannot say that he was really unstoppable during his time because he evaded some of them and then fought some boxers when they are already approaching the retirement phase.

[BitcoinPanther]

Now it's more on the business side and somehow, we can say that most of these boxers got their books and lessons from Mayweather Jr. because the renowned boxing champion maintained his glory days while also executing some of the tricks to retain his status and be undefeated until the day he retired, but the trouble is, we cannot say that he was really unstoppable during his time because he evaded some of them and then fought some boxers when they are already approaching the retirement phase.

That is what we called being smart.  Mayweather  when he is still pursuing for fame do not evade any boxer instead looks for the people who will make him more famous.  It is that when he gain the popularity, he thinks he has the right amount that he can use as money making machine while keeping his record perfect so that his popularity and demand won't decline.  I do not think that Mayweather is afraid of anyone but rather he is using his head and timing on when to fight one.

About boxing being business, it has been since early times.

Unlike in the 80's, maybe the era for most of us here who started to watch boxing. And then we see those legendary fights, even trilogy just to settle the score. Now it's a totally different era. And we really don't know who is really the best in the division unless they face each other.

The world has really changed; everything now is only about the money. Well, boxing is a form of entertainment, and those who entertain the people get paid. So, it's understandable that some boxers would evade opponents they think are hard to beat. That way, they can stay in the business for a long time and continue to make money. Nowadays, pride has already been replaced with price.

You have to accept the reality because it's the promoter that is dictating the fight now, and there have been some kind of politics happening, as even the governing bodies are not independent enough. There are still financial aspects involved with promoters. Let's just hope that Moloney will be forced to fight a challenger who has the capability of beating him. It would be a shame for him to lose to a fighter who isn't even a champion. That's the kind of price he would pay if he continues to evade Donaire.

Moloney's camp is just smart and fast to know that there are more then one belt that will be available when Inoue move up in weight division so they just choose the option where they can have a shot to the title while having a less risk of losing.

It would be a shame for him to lose to a fighter who isn't even a champion.

This is a normal event in boxing so there is no shame in losing to a challenger that has never won a championship belt.

[Pamadar]

Unlike in the 80's, maybe the era for most of us here who started to watch boxing. And then we see those legendary fights, even trilogy just to settle the score. Now it's a totally different era. And we really don't know who is really the best in the division unless they face each other.

The world has really changed; everything now is only about the money. Well, boxing is a form of entertainment, and those who entertain the people get paid. So, it's understandable that some boxers would evade opponents they think are hard to beat. That way, they can stay in the business for a long time and continue to make money. Nowadays, pride has already been replaced with price.

Agreeing to that as we all witnessing how money moves inside this sport,

More on how the handlers deals each fight and making sure that they've got the upper hand when dealing with their champs.
they have that option to make sure that the chance of winning is better for their fighters.

A sad truth that the pride was already replaced by price, unlike before when we are seeing those champions continue to
accept the challenger who can bring them to their maximum capabilities.

[btc_angela]

Unlike in the 80's, maybe the era for most of us here who started to watch boxing. And then we see those legendary fights, even trilogy just to settle the score. Now it's a totally different era. And we really don't know who is really the best in the division unless they face each other.

The world has really changed; everything now is only about the money. Well, boxing is a form of entertainment, and those who entertain the people get paid. So, it's understandable that some boxers would evade opponents they think are hard to beat. That way, they can stay in the business for a long time and continue to make money. Nowadays, pride has already been replaced with price.

Again, another sad but true moments, that's why there could be some fans who really like what the 80-90's era of boxing as we have witnessed not just fights but rematch and trilogies without any barrier.

But now as you have said, if there is a fight, someone should be the A-side, meaning he will have the control of the negotiations, pure split and others, even rehydration clause and others. And with that, the other will have no choice but to give in to the demands and hopefully he can win so that in the rematch he will have the control.

Anyhow we are in July already, just a couple of weeks from this fight.

[rhomelmabini]

Unlike in the 80's, maybe the era for most of us here who started to watch boxing. And then we see those legendary fights, even trilogy just to settle the score. Now it's a totally different era. And we really don't know who is really the best in the division unless they face each other.

The world has really changed; everything now is only about the money. Well, boxing is a form of entertainment, and those who entertain the people get paid. So, it's understandable that some boxers would evade opponents they think are hard to beat. That way, they can stay in the business for a long time and continue to make money. Nowadays, pride has already been replaced with price.

That would be missed for sure and good thing that we saw those great fights rather on what we see these days. The only thing that matters to be honest was the gambling part considering most who's watching these fights do tend to gamble on their favorites. I think I can understand if a fighter doesn't the other one if they're strong but to fight an opponent just for the sake of money even if it isn't worth a fight to watch is really too lousy.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

^^ We can't just compare era's though.
I was just looking at the betting line, and so far it hasn't move any, Nonito is still the favorite at 1.55. Unfortunately, there are no other options  for now, it seems that ML is the only one listed by sports bookies.

Nevertheless, as the fight gets closer, there could be a lot of listing. Gonna be interested what will be the odds for Donaire winning by knockout though. It might be higher that the ML I guess.

[Ziskinberg]

^^ We can't just compare era's though.
I was just looking at the betting line, and so far it hasn't move any, Nonito is still the favorite at 1.55. Unfortunately, there are no other options  for now, it seems that ML is the only one listed by sports bookies.

Nevertheless, as the fight gets closer, there could be a lot of listing. Gonna be interested what will be the odds for Donaire winning by knockout though. It might be higher that the ML I guess.

That's guaranteed. We have to wait a bit, as eventually more betting options will become available. If Donaire is lucky enough to win, I believe it will be by KO, so I'm going to bet on him to win by KO. Maybe 6 rounds is the maximum number of rounds for him to secure that KO victory.

However, if you guys want to play it safe, I think 1.55 odds are already decent.

[Japinat]

Unlike in the 80's, maybe the era for most of us here who started to watch boxing. And then we see those legendary fights, even trilogy just to settle the score. Now it's a totally different era. And we really don't know who is really the best in the division unless they face each other.

The world has really changed; everything now is only about the money. Well, boxing is a form of entertainment, and those who entertain the people get paid. So, it's understandable that some boxers would evade opponents they think are hard to beat. That way, they can stay in the business for a long time and continue to make money. Nowadays, pride has already been replaced with price.

Again, another sad but true moments, that's why there could be some fans who really like what the 80-90's era of boxing as we have witnessed not just fights but rematch and trilogies without any barrier.

But now as you have said, if there is a fight, someone should be the A-side, meaning he will have the control of the negotiations, pure split and others, even rehydration clause and others. And with that, the other will have no choice but to give in to the demands and hopefully he can win so that in the rematch he will have the control.

Anyhow we are in July already, just a couple of weeks from this fight.

Yes, that is indeed undeniable and it's sounds reasonable enough because the boxing industry at that time was still on the phase of making its name in the whole world as it's not that yet modern at that time but now, it's totally different because they know that whatever they do, people will follow as long as the famous ones are moving to have their fights and any news can spread all over the world in just mere seconds.

We are just lucky enough to witness some of those good ol' fights in the golden era (80s-90s) because at that time, most boxers are not afraid to eat punches and their measurement of being a strong boxer is if they can eat punches as much as possible while standing face to face with each other and of course, who can deliver the most powerful punch.

[Pamadar]

^^ We can't just compare era's though.
I was just looking at the betting line, and so far it hasn't move any, Nonito is still the favorite at 1.55. Unfortunately, there are no other options  for now, it seems that ML is the only one listed by sports bookies.

Nevertheless, as the fight gets closer, there could be a lot of listing. Gonna be interested what will be the odds for Donaire winning by knockout though. It might be higher that the ML I guess.

That's guaranteed. We have to wait a bit, as eventually more betting options will become available. If Donaire is lucky enough to win, I believe it will be by KO, so I'm going to bet on him to win by KO. Maybe 6 rounds is the maximum number of rounds for him to secure that KO victory.

However, if you guys want to play it safe, I think 1.55 odds are already decent.

Yes, @ 1.5x that's already decent if you wanted to play safe and you wanted to add some fun while watching for this fight.

Though if you are really aiming for a much bigger win, then it needed to wait till the actual schedule come up
and bookies provide additional odds. I go with a K.O under 6 rounds. I'm thinking that even Donaire was aging
if he will go for a KO, he will work his way in the early rounds.

[freedomgo]

^^ We can't just compare era's though.
I was just looking at the betting line, and so far it hasn't move any, Nonito is still the favorite at 1.55. Unfortunately, there are no other options  for now, it seems that ML is the only one listed by sports bookies.

Nevertheless, as the fight gets closer, there could be a lot of listing. Gonna be interested what will be the odds for Donaire winning by knockout though. It might be higher that the ML I guess.

That's guaranteed. We have to wait a bit, as eventually more betting options will become available. If Donaire is lucky enough to win, I believe it will be by KO, so I'm going to bet on him to win by KO. Maybe 6 rounds is the maximum number of rounds for him to secure that KO victory.

However, if you guys want to play it safe, I think 1.55 odds are already decent.

Yes, @ 1.5x that's already decent if you wanted to play safe and you wanted to add some fun while watching for this fight.

Though if you are really aiming for a much bigger win, then it needed to wait till the actual schedule come up
and bookies provide additional odds. I go with a K.O under 6 rounds. I'm thinking that even Donaire was aging
if he will go for a KO, he will work his way in the early rounds.

We know Donaire's real chances against his foe and indeed that 1.5x is decent enough but considering the line, I can say that it is for high rollers but for bettors like me, it's not yet enough. That said, I'm still waiting for some movement even just for a bit like 1.70+ especially the new options that will be open in a matter of few days before the fight night.

I'm also looking forward to that KO option as that could be bigger than the moneyline and which round will the fight likely last as well.

[Jating]

^^ We can't just compare era's though.
I was just looking at the betting line, and so far it hasn't move any, Nonito is still the favorite at 1.55. Unfortunately, there are no other options  for now, it seems that ML is the only one listed by sports bookies.

Nevertheless, as the fight gets closer, there could be a lot of listing. Gonna be interested what will be the odds for Donaire winning by knockout though. It might be higher that the ML I guess.

That's guaranteed. We have to wait a bit, as eventually more betting options will become available. If Donaire is lucky enough to win, I believe it will be by KO, so I'm going to bet on him to win by KO. Maybe 6 rounds is the maximum number of rounds for him to secure that KO victory.

However, if you guys want to play it safe, I think 1.55 odds are already decent.

I agree, it should be a decent odds for some of us, specially big fans of Donaire, I'm not saying it's a sure money, but it's the value and smart bet.

But if we want to look for a good odds then we should wait a bit further as the ML might not be enough and not that attractive. Maybe the odds for winning via KO or even by decision should be decent enough. So we need more patience and wait for our favorite sports bookies to list it if is is not available as of now.

However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

[Distinctin]

However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

That's suicidal thinking. Knowing Donaire, I'm sure he still has a lot to offer and can dominate the division. Santiago may be younger, but he doesn't possess the skills and experience that Donaire has. If we're just after attractive odds, we should consider going for a KO per round range bet, as most of the time the odds are higher than +200.

[mirakal]

However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

That's suicidal thinking. Knowing Donaire, I'm sure he still has a lot to offer and can dominate the division. Santiago may be younger, but he doesn't possess the skills and experience that Donaire has. If we're just after attractive odds, we should consider going for a KO per round range bet, as most of the time the odds are higher than +200.

In my sportsbook, Alejandro Santiago's odds are 2.31x and if you're inclined for some adventure in your bets like betting towards the underdog then that would be the line for you as Donaire's line are much lower ranging from 1.5x - 1.7x. Besides, I agree that it would be beneficial for us bettors because I don't think that an upset is going to happen in this fight, I know that it is not a guaranteed win but Donaire's chances are much greater compared to his foe.

[Jating]

However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

That's suicidal thinking. Knowing Donaire, I'm sure he still has a lot to offer and can dominate the division. Santiago may be younger, but he doesn't possess the skills and experience that Donaire has. If we're just after attractive odds, we should consider going for a KO per round range bet, as most of the time the odds are higher than +200.

I know, I'm just saying though, maybe there could be fans of Alejandro that is willing to take the rest and very happy to see that their boy is the underdog. So I don't think that they will think it as a suicide bet.

Of course, as fans of Donaire on the other hand, we will think that there is no value in betting with Alejandro as we think that Donaire can still pull the trigger and make this fight exciting or dominate it and not let the fight goes to the hands of the judges to score it. Already fight week so for sure majority of us will spare some of our BTC in this fight.

[Maslate]

However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

That's suicidal thinking. Knowing Donaire, I'm sure he still has a lot to offer and can dominate the division. Santiago may be younger, but he doesn't possess the skills and experience that Donaire has. If we're just after attractive odds, we should consider going for a KO per round range bet, as most of the time the odds are higher than +200.

I know, I'm just saying though, maybe there could be fans of Alejandro that is willing to take the rest and very happy to see that their boy is the underdog. So I don't think that they will think it as a suicide bet.

Of course, as fans of Donaire on the other hand, we will think that there is no value in betting with Alejandro as we think that Donaire can still pull the trigger and make this fight exciting or dominate it and not let the fight goes to the hands of the judges to score it. Already fight week so for sure majority of us will spare some of our BTC in this fight.

No doubt about that because if we are on their shoes and Nonito Donaire is on the underdog corner, I'd bet that many of us here who are supporting him will be glad that he is listed that way because that will mean that Donaire's odds are juicy and not the other way around. In this fight, it's the opposite though but that is fine by me as I'm not really inclined to bet on ML if my boxer is on the favorite side.

[Kemarit]

However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

That's suicidal thinking. Knowing Donaire, I'm sure he still has a lot to offer and can dominate the division. Santiago may be younger, but he doesn't possess the skills and experience that Donaire has. If we're just after attractive odds, we should consider going for a KO per round range bet, as most of the time the odds are higher than +200.

I know, I'm just saying though, maybe there could be fans of Alejandro that is willing to take the rest and very happy to see that their boy is the underdog. So I don't think that they will think it as a suicide bet.

Of course, as fans of Donaire on the other hand, we will think that there is no value in betting with Alejandro as we think that Donaire can still pull the trigger and make this fight exciting or dominate it and not let the fight goes to the hands of the judges to score it. Already fight week so for sure majority of us will spare some of our BTC in this fight.

No doubt about that because if we are on their shoes and Nonito Donaire is on the underdog corner, I'd bet that many of us here who are supporting him will be glad that he is listed that way because that will mean that Donaire's odds are juicy and not the other way around. In this fight, it's the opposite though but that is fine by me as I'm not really inclined to bet on ML if my boxer is on the favorite side.

Fair point, because there are really fans that is going to support their fighters no matter what. When Nonito was the underdog against Inoue in the second fight, we didn't hesitate to pull the trigger and beat for him. For sure majority of us are disappointed with the results, but we have to accept it.

And then we are glad to see him fighting again and have a good chance to become a champion as he is the favorite in this fight. So will gladly pull the trigger and will be looking for more juicier odds for a KO win or per round range, or any odds that we think have value in return.

[carlisle1]

However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

That's suicidal thinking. Knowing Donaire, I'm sure he still has a lot to offer and can dominate the division. Santiago may be younger, but he doesn't possess the skills and experience that Donaire has. If we're just after attractive odds, we should consider going for a KO per round range bet, as most of the time the odds are higher than +200.

I know, I'm just saying though, maybe there could be fans of Alejandro that is willing to take the rest and very happy to see that their boy is the underdog. So I don't think that they will think it as a suicide bet.

Of course, as fans of Donaire on the other hand, we will think that there is no value in betting with Alejandro as we think that Donaire can still pull the trigger and make this fight exciting or dominate it and not let the fight goes to the hands of the judges to score it. Already fight week so for sure majority of us will spare some of our BTC in this fight.

No doubt about that because if we are on their shoes and Nonito Donaire is on the underdog corner, I'd bet that many of us here who are supporting him will be glad that he is listed that way because that will mean that Donaire's odds are juicy and not the other way around. In this fight, it's the opposite though but that is fine by me as I'm not really inclined to bet on ML if my boxer is on the favorite side.

Correct. If we are in their shoes and we have seen that our favorite figure is listed as an underdog suredeal, we will quickly
We place our bet because we believe that it will bring us decent profits.

Same thing with how Santiago's fans will react, we can't remove the fact that there are people or fans out there who are believing that upset
can happen as it's boxing, and there's no guarantee.

Let's see what will happen, almost the fight schedule. it allows you to either advance your bet or wait for more available odds.