Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw

[danadc]

rules that are unfair and burdensome for their own users, it's the same as we are giving them free money, it would be better with the rules of giving kyc first before playing so users can determine their choices, such rules look quite cunning like going into a crocodile's mouth, because most people really hate giving identity to casino sites

Any casinos that is used to creating rules that is very hard for users to abide by would always end up losing customers.
This is something of common sense since their are several casinos online one can use and bet with friendly atmosphere and terms.
Everyone one wants to keep using casinos that would not keep giving us headache because we don't do some certain things right.
This is one of the reasons we keep seeing gamblers moving from one casino to the other just to get a better and friendly atmosphere.

They would lose their costumer if at the first of their operation they tell a lie to them. That's the reason casino should know to be transparent that they might need this requirement in future. If they keep telling that KYC is not needed then for sure there's a lot of skeptical people will not try to use their casino since they might not trust them for that. First impression is always important to they really need to be honest for all the time especially if they want to became a reputable casino in this forum. There's a lot of casino running here so transparency of everything is what they need since this is the most strongest tool to market their casino.

We do know that once a platform would really be having that kind of behavior on which they've been making those kind of shady moves. Then you would really be definitely be sharing it up
into the public or even into this forum on which these information would really be scattered like wildfire on which it is really just that impossible for a good looking and well created site
to do such thing which we know that building up a gambling business and platform doesnt really come cheap. This is why on the time that you would really be able to
experiencing out such hardship on cashing out then it would neither be that intentional on the first place or something that a requirement.
This is why it would be best that you should only deal on sites or platforms which are really that known and reputable.

Once you notice any behaviour that is not clear to you as a gambler such as casinos not being stable with their decision making and what their stand out for at some point because if a casino could act in that manner to the point of letting the gambler down or asking him to provides documents which will end up not being verified by them, or even taking players winning and giving shady excuses.

All this is what makes up for a shady casino at some point in time, because when a casino starts to do what is not online or in connection with the terms and conditions, it will become dead end for the users because their can change the rules at any time just to suits their games.

There is something that I have realized, that a KYC is a process that is annoying, because I do not like to comply with it, I see that things are very reluctant with that, but the fact that sometimes some things are changed, well That's something I don't agree with.

One always has to see if the KYC that is going to be done in the casinos is a very relevant process, because I only advise that it be complied with for the casinos that are more reliable, so that there are no bad times in the future, a casino that is a newcomer. I don't recommend that.

The problems with KYC are seen with casinos that are not so reliable, nor do they have much reputation because they are the ones that present the most problems, I am one of those who do not like to do the KYC, for me that represents insecurity and that can impact In the process, my data is compromised and that is delicate, I would not like the data to be leaked so that thugs come here to rob me or something like that.

[rodskee]

rules that are unfair and burdensome for their own users, it's the same as we are giving them free money, it would be better with the rules of giving kyc first before playing so users can determine their choices, such rules look quite cunning like going into a crocodile's mouth, because most people really hate giving identity to casino sites

Any casinos that is used to creating rules that is very hard for users to abide by would always end up losing customers.
This is something of common sense since their are several casinos online one can use and bet with friendly atmosphere and terms.
Everyone one wants to keep using casinos that would not keep giving us headache because we don't do some certain things right.
This is one of the reasons we keep seeing gamblers moving from one casino to the other just to get a better and friendly atmosphere.

They would lose their costumer if at the first of their operation they tell a lie to them. That's the reason casino should know to be transparent that they might need this requirement in future. If they keep telling that KYC is not needed then for sure there's a lot of skeptical people will not try to use their casino since they might not trust them for that. First impression is always important to they really need to be honest for all the time especially if they want to became a reputable casino in this forum. There's a lot of casino running here so transparency of everything is what they need since this is the most strongest tool to market their casino.

Casinos hiding with that kind of strategy are mostly the one that will keep lies , yeah they
tell players that "There's no need KYC" but? with this following sentence "Unless security finds your account
abusing or cheating" but its OK if they can prove players cheating or abusing but the problem is that they
will Hide in their "Not to Disclose such Information for their Privacy" this is when the scamming comes ,
because no one can force them from releasing official statements with complete proofs.
This is the reason why I never played in new site(sometimes I do visit and plays with small amount)
 because of this kind , I want to make sure that the site is legit first before trusting them.

[mak013]

The thing is that I haven't seen many casinos before,  because most of them that I know only require you for KYC when the need arises, and as such it's important to note that any casino that discriminately asks you for KYC is doing so with an aim, either there want to withhold your money or even block you when you provide the right documents.
So is important for us to take note of that fact, and separate all of them from each other and also make sure that we avoid any casino that has a dirty policy such as deliberate locking of players' accounts and asking for u realistic jyc procedure.

Mostly you`re right, but there are some situations, when casino KYC you without any reason. I don`t sure that it is because they want to freeze my money. I`ve just registered in casino, was reading about different bonuses, before first deposit and was KYCed. I don`t see any reason for such a KYC - there was no money, no strange bets - nothing interesting for the casino, but they asked documents. It is rare enough but i think that it proves that some casino is fair enough to KYC not only to get your money.

[Volimack]

Casinos require transparency to operate. Gamblers often participate by watching the casino environment and avoiding it. KYC in reputable casinos proves reliability. But these kind of casinos are not asking for KYC to register and play but are saying withdrawal maybe they have some bad intentions. Block casinos following bad policies this casino look too good suspicious. KYC is a powerful tool in high quality casinos.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Casinos require transparency to operate. Gamblers often participate by watching the casino environment and avoiding it. KYC in reputable casinos proves reliability. But these kind of casinos are not asking for KYC to register and play but are saying withdrawal maybe they have some bad intentions. Block casinos following bad policies this casino look too good suspicious. KYC is a powerful tool in high quality casinos.

If you would allow me to correct you, casinos don't require transparency to operate, but rather, they need to be transparent if they want their customers to completely trust them..

Although is you ask me, I did say that there is nothing like being completely transparent as long as what we are talking is online casinos that are centralized, note the keyword is "centralized", many sh*t go down behind doors in centralized organizations, not just casinos but other companies as well, the same you possibly would do anything to make sure you are making money and your business doesn't collapse, so also does many of this casinos , and that is why we see some or most of them not asking users for kyc at the point of registration, deposit and gameplay, but will immediately ask the user to pass kyc verification as soon as he or she wins and requests withdrawal of the funds, and if you are not able to pass the kyc verification at this point, rest assured your money is gone, and it doest matter how much it is, for to them, the bigger it is, the better for them..

[LUCKMCFLY]

Well, as now things will always be focused on Knowing how it can be done to make things more direct, or that it is more favorable without KYC, it turns out to be difficult, the rules of the casino must be read before Registering to future discomforts can be avoided, in case Someone has a problem, but carefully read in the TOS how to do it, or how they are, according to it, it is possible to complain and that is something so simple to do, that is why it is the success of the lawyers, reading, not being lazy to read before resgisyo was one of the things that when I Recorded what I was doing it was quick to look for where I accepted the Tos, just because of the laziness of not reading, I plead guilty to that, on many occasions I I did, just for the thrill of registering quickly to go play, now things are Different , first read everything, carefully and thus be able to make a difference, for that reason it is also when you decide how to do in the case that you Want to comply with theKYC.


To comply with KYC it is necessary to do so, firstly so that a Good link Could be Established with the casino and secondly to establish the Security that is had with the casino , and the link that the client Wanted to establish, because once You have to take the Commitment for granted, that is, if you decide to be a casino customer, you currently have to Comply with KYC requirements, after this, what follows is to be able to generate more profits with the rules, which is about the norms, the Tos, and that is what we must be clear About , as I have Said , there are times that the documents that they offer, do not say all theNorms or rules, because many of them are at the beginning cunood nons regitrtramos, only They place the newest ones as a bonus, and the rest is Supposed to be very clear to us, but at the Beginning of a Complaint, the Support Cannot remind us that we Sccept those rules , and from there nothing can be done.

Actually, in my personal opinion, reading the rules, reviews, and terms and conditions at the casino is not a big problem, and reading all of that in my opinion won't take hours, but the problem is that most people are reluctant to read long texts. there's also a lot, because it might be boring, even though on the other hand, the terms and conditions and rules really have to be read and understood, the aim of which is to avoid problems later, but if they don't read all of it, they will have problems and in the end they will also have to read all of it. I mean, if it can be done in advance, why wait for problems to occur first, that's ridiculous.

Yes, that's right, what must be paid attention to of course is security, because in my opinion everyone wants guaranteed security, and with KYC which is related to security of course this must be paid attention to too. because it's important, it's not important, but if it's for security then in my opinion it really needs to be paid attention to.

It's good that you are like that, because personally I have always tried to read the Tos , but sometimes I don't Know if it is because of laziness , but because of old Age , Once I go into the casino to Play , but that is already lost on me. past and that happened to me since the first time that KYC was made mandatory in all cases, so I said, well, why so much for that? If things are trying to be done differently, there are things that sometimes Cannot be Avoided and one of those is Always making these things available, already at this point , with a series of experiences that have been passed throughout our life. life and with the casinos , what do you say , what is the point of laziness of not reading=? If you Still have to read it later ? It is a lost time in reality , it is Bbetter to read and understand everything, before knowing what we are getting into than to be Taken by surprise by any eventuality that we have toComplain about , and if this happens we still have to do things that way, then the The same system somehow Forces us to do things in the most Correct way.


When we focus on a casino, we know that in order to be successful in the casino we Basically need to make our money work, and as such, what we will risk is our money , there is no other option, and there is nothing more unacceptable than having to have our money in the casino and we cannot withdraw it, it is something that is not also in the normal parameters of things, so in order not to have to go through that bad moment either, we must do something very sensible, complete the KYC, and we in a casino will always be the money, one of the things that offline casino has as an advantage is that you don't need so much protocol to withdraw, that is, if you win, you withdraw, if you don't win you don't have the right to go, sometimes those things are so basic What makes one casino better than another and depending on the tastes of the Player.

[EarnOnVictor]

rules that are unfair and burdensome for their own users, it's the same as we are giving them free money, it would be better with the rules of giving kyc first before playing so users can determine their choices, such rules look quite cunning like going into a crocodile's mouth, because most people really hate giving identity to casino sites

Any casinos that is used to creating rules that is very hard for users to abide by would always end up losing customers.
This is something of common sense since their are several casinos online one can use and bet with friendly atmosphere and terms.
Everyone one wants to keep using casinos that would not keep giving us headache because we don't do some certain things right.
This is one of the reasons we keep seeing gamblers moving from one casino to the other just to get a better and friendly atmosphere.

They would lose their costumer if at the first of their operation they tell a lie to them. That's the reason casino should know to be transparent that they might need this requirement in future. If they keep telling that KYC is not needed then for sure there's a lot of skeptical people will not try to use their casino since they might not trust them for that. First impression is always important to they really need to be honest for all the time especially if they want to became a reputable casino in this forum. There's a lot of casino running here so transparency of everything is what they need since this is the most strongest tool to market their casino.

I think you trust casinos too much, this is not the first time that casinos have started with a no-KYC mantra but with time, they will change it and start collecting people's documents and details. If you asked them, they would say it is some constraints that are on their neck, while some will not even give you a satisfactory response.

Also, in some cases, they will not openly declare it, and as long as you are a loser, they will continue to let you play, you deposit more and withdraw a little, so they are still satisfied with you. But if you are the type that is so good at what you do, the situation could change against you, and this is applicable to most people who are good with gambling or are just lucky to be requesting for withdrawals often. If asked why, they might tell you that though they do not require KYC generally, but to some targeted individuals whom they deem suspicious are asked for their KYC. What a deceit. But if you are losing your money no matter how long you stay with them, you will never be termed suspicious. If you have not experienced this, my friend, you are lucky, but that doesn't mean that some are not affected, and these casinos are also thriving well despite their bad deeds as against what you think.

The reason is that they will not do it to all or many of their customers since it is not many players who are happy with their gambling results or are making money. And since the house is making money from them, they will not disturb them and neither will the players suspect anything. But to a few that are good, they can be affected.

[paxmao]

rules that are unfair and burdensome for their own users, it's the same as we are giving them free money, it would be better with the rules of giving kyc first before playing so users can determine their choices, such rules look quite cunning like going into a crocodile's mouth, because most people really hate giving identity to casino sites

Any casinos that is used to creating rules that is very hard for users to abide by would always end up losing customers.
This is something of common sense since their are several casinos online one can use and bet with friendly atmosphere and terms.
Everyone one wants to keep using casinos that would not keep giving us headache because we don't do some certain things right.
This is one of the reasons we keep seeing gamblers moving from one casino to the other just to get a better and friendly atmosphere.

They would lose their costumer if at the first of their operation they tell a lie to them. That's the reason casino should know to be transparent that they might need this requirement in future. If they keep telling that KYC is not needed then for sure there's a lot of skeptical people will not try to use their casino since they might not trust them for that. First impression is always important to they really need to be honest for all the time especially if they want to became a reputable casino in this forum. There's a lot of casino running here so transparency of everything is what they need since this is the most strongest tool to market their casino.

They seem not really concerned by loosing customers. Either they are running a fishy operation or they are trying to make as much as possible by simply not giving back or it may even be a system to delay withdrawals to allow a better financial planning in the short term for the site. In any case, is a sure way of getting people very anoyed and talking bad stuff here.

[michellee]

Casinos require transparency to operate. Gamblers often participate by watching the casino environment and avoiding it. KYC in reputable casinos proves reliability. But these kind of casinos are not asking for KYC to register and play but are saying withdrawal maybe they have some bad intentions. Block casinos following bad policies this casino look too good suspicious. KYC is a powerful tool in high quality casinos.

But shady casinos also use KYC to trap their victims and leave them frustrated because they can't get their money. These shady casinos try to keep them from withdrawing their money from the casino. We must avoid that and should not choose to gamble at the casino.

That is why we have to be careful in choosing the casino. Ensure the casino is safe and reputable so you don't run into problems. And because we are already in the right place, we no longer need to look for casinos from other places. On this forum, we can find many reputable casinos with a reputation that can make us calm when gambling.

And casinos that implement KYC when their members want to withdraw money have often happened. And if that happens at a reputable casino, we don't need to worry because the casino will protect its consumer data well. We can immediately do KYC, and usually, the KYC required is basic KYC. If we want to withdraw a lot of money, we will be asked to do a more complete KYC.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Casinos require transparency to operate. Gamblers often participate by watching the casino environment and avoiding it. KYC in reputable casinos proves reliability. But these kind of casinos are not asking for KYC to register and play but are saying withdrawal maybe they have some bad intentions. Block casinos following bad policies this casino look too good suspicious. KYC is a powerful tool in high quality casinos.

But shady casinos also use KYC to trap their victims and leave them frustrated because they can't get their money. These shady casinos try to keep them from withdrawing their money from the casino. We must avoid that and should not choose to gamble at the casino.

That is why we have to be careful in choosing the casino. Ensure the casino is safe and reputable so you don't run into problems. And because we are already in the right place, we no longer need to look for casinos from other places. On this forum, we can find many reputable casinos with a reputation that can make us calm when gambling.

And casinos that implement KYC when their members want to withdraw money have often happened. And if that happens at a reputable casino, we don't need to worry because the casino will protect its consumer data well. We can immediately do KYC, and usually, the KYC required is basic KYC. If we want to withdraw a lot of money, we will be asked to do a more complete KYC.

And unfortunately, we don't just wake up one morning and know which and which casinos are shady, someone somewhere have to first fall a victim, and that person or persons have to write about their bad experiences for us to read before we get to know that that particular casino is shady, and then we avoid it.
Now, I think the question will be, what if we happen to be the victim that falls in other to save others, are we going to do it wholeheartedly?

And to your second paragraph, you are absolutely right and I completely agree with you, for those of us who are already on this forum, and even those who know this forum and does come around once in a while to read post here, there is no need looking else where to choose a gambling casino, majorly every casino that is currently advertising on this forum can be trusted, so, yeah, we have peace of mind in this regard.

And in terms of kyc, regardless of how reputable a casino is, I've never supported a casino requesting a kyc verification just when a gambler win and requests withdrawal, for to me, it doesn't look morally right, it's a kind of cheating to allow a player deposit, gamble and lose money multiple times without the casino caring, and just about when he or she wins and tried to withdraw, he or she hammered with a kyc verification request, what then happens if such a player is not able to provide what is being asked, will that casino in its reputation allow the player withdraw his or her money without passing the requested kyc verification.?

[gunhell16]

rules that are unfair and burdensome for their own users, it's the same as we are giving them free money, it would be better with the rules of giving kyc first before playing so users can determine their choices, such rules look quite cunning like going into a crocodile's mouth, because most people really hate giving identity to casino sites

Any casinos that is used to creating rules that is very hard for users to abide by would always end up losing customers.
This is something of common sense since their are several casinos online one can use and bet with friendly atmosphere and terms.
Everyone one wants to keep using casinos that would not keep giving us headache because we don't do some certain things right.
This is one of the reasons we keep seeing gamblers moving from one casino to the other just to get a better and friendly atmosphere.

They would lose their costumer if at the first of their operation they tell a lie to them. That's the reason casino should know to be transparent that they might need this requirement in future. If they keep telling that KYC is not needed then for sure there's a lot of skeptical people will not try to use their casino since they might not trust them for that. First impression is always important to they really need to be honest for all the time especially if they want to became a reputable casino in this forum. There's a lot of casino running here so transparency of everything is what they need since this is the most strongest tool to market their casino.

Yes, you are right in what you said. It is a big deal for our gamblers that what they said in the rules and policies that they have should be fulfilled and upheld by them so that the trust of the gamblers will not be lost and remain in them to play on their platform.

I also get annoyed when a casino is like that, and then when the withdrawal comes all of a sudden, they will ask their player for Kyc to do it. in this matter because it increases and strengthens the reputation of a gambling casino here in the crypto gambling business industry in this field, to be honest.

[junder]

Actually, in my personal opinion, reading the rules, reviews, and terms and conditions at the casino is not a big problem, and reading all of that in my opinion won't take hours, but the problem is that most people are reluctant to read long texts. there's also a lot, because it might be boring, even though on the other hand, the terms and conditions and rules really have to be read and understood, the aim of which is to avoid problems later, but if they don't read all of it, they will have problems and in the end they will also have to read all of it. I mean, if it can be done in advance, why wait for problems to occur first, that's ridiculous.

Yes, that's right, what must be paid attention to of course is security, because in my opinion everyone wants guaranteed security, and with KYC which is related to security of course this must be paid attention to too. because it's important, it's not important, but if it's for security then in my opinion it really needs to be paid attention to.

It's only not a big problem, but mandatory to me these days. I wouldn't want to put money into something that might be a scam. And you can tell a lot from a ToS when determining that. Being too vague and promising something that seems too much, is a red flag. Not complying with regulators and being proud of it is a red flag. Too many typos, or anything inconsistent, defiitely a red flag. And if they are too ambiguous rules, i won't even bother to ask from help desk, but just don't use the site.

And even though it should be up to the casino noticing us of any updates, some casinos won't do that or do that in a way we don't even notice. So it's up to us to check ToS more then once. I was a member of a site that added my country to blacklisted countries, and i accidentally noticed it while checking it out again.
I might have end up getting my account frozen, as they didn't even ban my ip. That was a huge red flag and i know it's only a matter of time before they are shut down

And regarding to OP's text, i always assume that they will ask a KYC at some point. If they say that they won't, it's a red flag. There are different kind and levels of KYCs, but we should always prepare for the most invasive, that wants to know everything about us.

I agree with that, because I also don't want to put more money into a fraudulent platform, but the question about this is, I myself can't tell which platforms are fraudulent and which platforms are truly not fraudulent. Even so, when I gamble on a new platform, I always take the time to read the terms and conditions on that platform, because maybe that can determine whether the platform is fraudulent or not, even though it has no effect, I do this to avoid fraud. maybe you yourself have your own way of determining which platform is the right one that is not deceptive like you said, I think what you feel when you are doubtful about the platform is that you will not continue with it, is it like that?

I once experienced my account being locked by the casino, because I got a big win and I cashed it all out but my winnings were not paid and that ended up being my own account being locked, and there was no KYC verification at the casino I played at. So it's true what you said, "If they say they won't do it, that's a red flag." I think KYC can also determine whether a casino is safe or not.

It's good that you are like that, because personally I have always tried to read the Tos , but sometimes I don't Know if it is because of laziness , but because of old Age , Once I go into the casino to Play , but that is already lost on me. past and that happened to me since the first time that KYC was made mandatory in all cases, so I said, well, why so much for that? If things are trying to be done differently, there are things that sometimes Cannot be Avoided and one of those is Always making these things available, already at this point , with a series of experiences that have been passed throughout our life. life and with the casinos , what do you say , what is the point of laziness of not reading=? If you Still have to read it later ? It is a lost time in reality , it is Bbetter to read and understand everything, before knowing what we are getting into than to be Taken by surprise by any eventuality that we have toComplain about , and if this happens we still have to do things that way, then the The same system somehow Forces us to do things in the most Correct way.


When we focus on a casino, we know that in order to be successful in the casino we Basically need to make our money work, and as such, what we will risk is our money , there is no other option, and there is nothing more unacceptable than having to have our money in the casino and we cannot withdraw it, it is something that is not also in the normal parameters of things, so in order not to have to go through that bad moment either, we must do something very sensible, complete the KYC, and we in a casino will always be the money, one of the things that offline casino has as an advantage is that you don't need so much protocol to withdraw, that is, if you win, you withdraw, if you don't win you don't have the right to go, sometimes those things are so basic What makes one casino better than another and depending on the tastes of the Player.

In my opinion many of them are lazy about reading Tos, because there are people who think Tos is important and not important,  and everyone tends to be lazy about reading  This is a small problem but can become a big one with their own laziness. It's true what you said,  it's better to read and understand it than for something undesirable to happen and get us into trouble, and when we get into trouble then reading it is no different from reading it at the beginning so if you can read and understand it at the beginning then it's better Just do it at the beginnings, don't wait for problems to come.

Indeed, what is at stake in gambling is money because there is nothing else to bet on, casino companies also won't care about what gamblers experience even if they experience a lot of losses. and if they don't have enough money then they should just stay at home.  but do offline casinos not submit us to withdrawal requirements such as KYC? when we get a win we can immediately withdraw it without many requirements.

[abel1337]

It's good that you are like that, because personally I have always tried to read the Tos , but sometimes I don't Know if it is because of laziness , but because of old Age , Once I go into the casino to Play , but that is already lost on me. past and that happened to me since the first time that KYC was made mandatory in all cases, so I said, well, why so much for that? If things are trying to be done differently, there are things that sometimes Cannot be Avoided and one of those is Always making these things available, already at this point , with a series of experiences that have been passed throughout our life. life and with the casinos , what do you say , what is the point of laziness of not reading=? If you Still have to read it later ? It is a lost time in reality , it is Bbetter to read and understand everything, before knowing what we are getting into than to be Taken by surprise by any eventuality that we have toComplain about , and if this happens we still have to do things that way, then the The same system somehow Forces us to do things in the most Correct way.


When we focus on a casino, we know that in order to be successful in the casino we Basically need to make our money work, and as such, what we will risk is our money , there is no other option, and there is nothing more unacceptable than having to have our money in the casino and we cannot withdraw it, it is something that is not also in the normal parameters of things, so in order not to have to go through that bad moment either, we must do something very sensible, complete the KYC, and we in a casino will always be the money, one of the things that offline casino has as an advantage is that you don't need so much protocol to withdraw, that is, if you win, you withdraw, if you don't win you don't have the right to go, sometimes those things are so basic What makes one casino better than another and depending on the tastes of the Player.

In my opinion many of them are lazy about reading Tos, because there are people who think Tos is important and not important,  and everyone tends to be lazy about reading  This is a small problem but can become a big one with their own laziness. It's true what you said,  it's better to read and understand it than for something undesirable to happen and get us into trouble, and when we get into trouble then reading it is no different from reading it at the beginning so if you can read and understand it at the beginning then it's better Just do it at the beginnings, don't wait for problems to come.

Indeed, what is at stake in gambling is money because there is nothing else to bet on, casino companies also won't care about what gamblers experience even if they experience a lot of losses. and if they don't have enough money then they should just stay at home.  but do offline casinos not submit us to withdrawal requirements such as KYC? when we get a win we can immediately withdraw it without many requirements.

People will only realize that the TOS is important if they somehow find an error or broken a rule that is being a disadvantage to them, that is the only time that they will read the TOS. There are gamblers that just want to play without reading so much formal stuff like TOS, I understand and relate to that but the risk of losing your money because you didn't read the TOS isn't something that you shouldn't care.

About the KYC stuff, just embark in our minds that if we play on a new casino, they will collect KYC anytime that they want even if they didn't when we registered. I I believe that KYC is being normalized on centralized casino, so every time I register on a new casino, I assume that they will collect it at some point.

[Awaklara]

People will only realize that the TOS is important if they somehow find an error or broken a rule that is being a disadvantage to them, that is the only time that they will read the TOS. There are gamblers that just want to play without reading so much formal stuff like TOS, I understand and relate to that but the risk of losing your money because you didn't read the TOS isn't something that you shouldn't care.

About the KYC stuff, just embark in our minds that if we play on a new casino, they will collect KYC anytime that they want even if they didn't when we registered. I I believe that KYC is being normalized on centralized casino, so every time I register on a new casino, I assume that they will collect it at some point.

Yes, that's the truth of what happened. but it should be when you hear more cases or even experience it yourself with certain casinos. Such an error should not occur when opening an account at another casino. At least they read only the important things regarding VPN use or the required KYC verification. so if there are any problems in the future with our casino account. everything is clear.
There are casinos that allow using VPN and there are also those that don't. and problems occur when you finally get a win and want to make a withdrawal. and support will show there is a list of some countries where it is not allowed, including VPN use which will be problematic.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Actually, in my personal opinion, reading the rules, reviews, and terms and conditions at the casino is not a big problem, and reading all of that in my opinion won't take hours, but the problem is that most people are reluctant to read long texts. there's also a lot, because it might be boring, even though on the other hand, the terms and conditions and rules really have to be read and understood, the aim of which is to avoid problems later, but if they don't read all of it, they will have problems and in the end they will also have to read all of it. I mean, if it can be done in advance, why wait for problems to occur first, that's ridiculous.

Yes, that's right, what must be paid attention to of course is security, because in my opinion everyone wants guaranteed security, and with KYC which is related to security of course this must be paid attention to too. because it's important, it's not important, but if it's for security then in my opinion it really needs to be paid attention to.

It's only not a big problem, but mandatory to me these days. I wouldn't want to put money into something that might be a scam. And you can tell a lot from a ToS when determining that. Being too vague and promising something that seems too much, is a red flag. Not complying with regulators and being proud of it is a red flag. Too many typos, or anything inconsistent, defiitely a red flag. And if they are too ambiguous rules, i won't even bother to ask from help desk, but just don't use the site.

And even though it should be up to the casino noticing us of any updates, some casinos won't do that or do that in a way we don't even notice. So it's up to us to check ToS more then once. I was a member of a site that added my country to blacklisted countries, and i accidentally noticed it while checking it out again.
I might have end up getting my account frozen, as they didn't even ban my ip. That was a huge red flag and i know it's only a matter of time before they are shut down

And regarding to OP's text, i always assume that they will ask a KYC at some point. If they say that they won't, it's a red flag. There are different kind and levels of KYCs, but we should always prepare for the most invasive, that wants to know everything about us.

Well, when we are doing any kind of thing in a casino, many times we don't even check the things in the casino, sometimes it is good, as you say, that there are always notifications and notices that say what the main thing to do must be accomplished, for example the KYC requirements, that is something that casinos should say that before making any deposit they must be verified, this with the idea that they are not going to generate other types of losses in the casino, that is, that later things do not get complicated and It lends itself to making many mistakes, making the announcements and verifications before doing anything else is good, but the games will always generate many ways for the players and that can be something that will be very decisive, in this order of going we As a player we must see all the scenarios and well that is basically what we must see.

Now, with the issue of KYC it is something delicate, I am a person who always goes to see the things from whatever point of view is most appropriate, for example every time I go to the casino the first thing I evaluate is to see if I can carry out any type of advance in the casino without KYC And as far as I can go to get to a casino without KYC, there are some casinos that can make withdrawals of less than 100usd without KYC, which seems negotiable to me, and that is something that I Nice, that there are always options so that we can obtain many things, on a personal level I have always said that when there are things to do, it is good to consider that if we like the casino, and we want to play harder, with more money, but now We could do the KYC, but do it before things don't get complicated, because going to a casino and then waiting to do the KYC to withdraw, well no, because that's the only thing that bothers everyone, or bothers us, so it's better to avoid do things that please us.

[junder]

It's good that you are like that, because personally I have always tried to read the Tos , but sometimes I don't Know if it is because of laziness , but because of old Age , Once I go into the casino to Play , but that is already lost on me. past and that happened to me since the first time that KYC was made mandatory in all cases, so I said, well, why so much for that? If things are trying to be done differently, there are things that sometimes Cannot be Avoided and one of those is Always making these things available, already at this point , with a series of experiences that have been passed throughout our life. life and with the casinos , what do you say , what is the point of laziness of not reading=? If you Still have to read it later ? It is a lost time in reality , it is Bbetter to read and understand everything, before knowing what we are getting into than to be Taken by surprise by any eventuality that we have toComplain about , and if this happens we still have to do things that way, then the The same system somehow Forces us to do things in the most Correct way.


When we focus on a casino, we know that in order to be successful in the casino we Basically need to make our money work, and as such, what we will risk is our money , there is no other option, and there is nothing more unacceptable than having to have our money in the casino and we cannot withdraw it, it is something that is not also in the normal parameters of things, so in order not to have to go through that bad moment either, we must do something very sensible, complete the KYC, and we in a casino will always be the money, one of the things that offline casino has as an advantage is that you don't need so much protocol to withdraw, that is, if you win, you withdraw, if you don't win you don't have the right to go, sometimes those things are so basic What makes one casino better than another and depending on the tastes of the Player.

In my opinion many of them are lazy about reading Tos, because there are people who think Tos is important and not important,  and everyone tends to be lazy about reading  This is a small problem but can become a big one with their own laziness. It's true what you said,  it's better to read and understand it than for something undesirable to happen and get us into trouble, and when we get into trouble then reading it is no different from reading it at the beginning so if you can read and understand it at the beginning then it's better Just do it at the beginnings, don't wait for problems to come.

Indeed, what is at stake in gambling is money because there is nothing else to bet on, casino companies also won't care about what gamblers experience even if they experience a lot of losses. and if they don't have enough money then they should just stay at home.  but do offline casinos not submit us to withdrawal requirements such as KYC? when we get a win we can immediately withdraw it without many requirements.

People will only realize that the TOS is important if they somehow find an error or broken a rule that is being a disadvantage to them, that is the only time that they will read the TOS. There are gamblers that just want to play without reading so much formal stuff like TOS, I understand and relate to that but the risk of losing your money because you didn't read the TOS isn't something that you shouldn't care.

About the KYC stuff, just embark in our minds that if we play on a new casino, they will collect KYC anytime that they want even if they didn't when we registered. I I believe that KYC is being normalized on centralized casino, so every time I register on a new casino, I assume that they will collect it at some point.

I think that's the case, people tend not to care too much about high fives, but they will see that side when they have problems with gambling. this is because they are lazy to read or understand Tos, maybe out of 50 players only 1 understands and reads the existing tos, it could even be that no one reads and understands Tos at all, because in my opinion many people think this is important and not important So most of them just want to gamble straight away without thinking about other things that might have an important role, such as high fives.

In my opinion, sometimes KYC is only needed when withdrawing, but I don't know the details. But what you have to pay attention to is that if there are casinos that don't require KYC, I think that's doubtful, but on the other hand, I also think that in physical casinos, it feels like KYC is not needed to make withdrawals, so KYC only applies to online casinos. Also in my opinion, by registering at a new casino, of course we have to look at the Tos side and read it, because rather than having problems later, it's better to prevent them, and if it can be done at the beginning, why not.

[gunhell16]

That where I don't like, if they are not asking for KYC at the point of registration then they should not ask again in the withdrawal time. Because asking at the registration time is much more better than the withdrawal because at the registration time everything is very simple the customer only provide the basic documents and start using the account but when they ask it in the withdrawal time, I don't probably they don't want you to withdraw your personal money, the documents they will ask will be more and if any of the documents is not clear or missing they ban your account but this can not happened in the registration time.

They never stop the depositing process because they want money. And one thing they don't know that when the withdrawal is good then the casino will move well.

Well, in the reality that is happening now, there are still casinos that are not firm in their rules; as you mentioned, no KYC in registration, but often in the end, when they withdraw money, they look for KYC.

And many gamblers are suddenly surprised because what they thought was no KYC turned out to be there in the end. Anyway, for me, it's not a big deal anymore. But it's still not good for a casino to suddenly change its rules, even though they have the right to do so.

[Reatim]

That where I don't like, if they are not asking for KYC at the point of registration then they should not ask again in the withdrawal time. Because asking at the registration time is much more better than the withdrawal because at the registration time everything is very simple the customer only provide the basic documents and start using the account but when they ask it in the withdrawal time, I don't probably they don't want you to withdraw your personal money, the documents they will ask will be more and if any of the documents is not clear or missing they ban your account but this can not happened in the registration time.

They never stop the depositing process because they want money. And one thing they don't know that when the withdrawal is good then the casino will move well.

Well, in the reality that is happening now, there are still casinos that are not firm in their rules; as you mentioned, no KYC in registration, but often in the end, when they withdraw money, they look for KYC.

Those are casino that bringing traps in their players , fooling people pretending there is no KYC but that offers only when depositing and playing but course will change when  wothdraw comes.

And many gamblers are suddenly surprised because what they thought was no KYC turned out to be there in the end. Anyway, for me, it's not a big deal anymore. But it's still not good for a casino to suddenly change its rules, even though they have the right to do so.

actually that is some sign about a casino not to be trusted, from day one of knowing this ? i will quit in such casinos.

[frenchmika]

the rules need to change
in france u need to do kyc before deposit money
in the philippines its same
result to no issue when u withdraw

crypto bookmakers are no mans land

[arwin100]

That where I don't like, if they are not asking for KYC at the point of registration then they should not ask again in the withdrawal time. Because asking at the registration time is much more better than the withdrawal because at the registration time everything is very simple the customer only provide the basic documents and start using the account but when they ask it in the withdrawal time, I don't probably they don't want you to withdraw your personal money, the documents they will ask will be more and if any of the documents is not clear or missing they ban your account but this can not happened in the registration time.

They never stop the depositing process because they want money. And one thing they don't know that when the withdrawal is good then the casino will move well.

Well, in the reality that is happening now, there are still casinos that are not firm in their rules; as you mentioned, no KYC in registration, but often in the end, when they withdraw money, they look for KYC.

And many gamblers are suddenly surprised because what they thought was no KYC turned out to be there in the end. Anyway, for me, it's not a big deal anymore. But it's still not good for a casino to suddenly change its rules, even though they have the right to do so.

They are not transparent enough regarding on this requirements since they afraid that people might get upset to them especially if they ask KYC while their business is so new in this forum. That's why majority of this new casino claims that they are non KYC compliant casino so they can attract those people avoiding this kind of requirements.

But this is really annoying action since at the end we can experience the same thing like what other casino implemented so there's no escape on this and worse we might go on scam casino for avoiding such regulation. That's the reason at the end of the day much really better for us to comply it on old reputable casino since they are more better secured than those new casino fooling those people regarding on those issues.

They should know how transparent the casino since if they hide something especially this implementation for sure they will be surprise for any changes happening on these casinos.