[ANN] Storj - Decentralized Storage

[mishax1]

https://www.coinpayments.net/vote

you should think about getting your coin added

I have sent them a request. Thanks for sharing.

We have more places where we are added for voting, feel free to help!

Vote to add SJCX on BTER. We need everyone's help with this one.

Vote to add SJCX on askcoin.net

Ask your favourite exchange to list Storjcoin X (SJCX)!!!

i vote a few times a day on https://bter.com/voting

if i just had help from 4 or 5 people, this would be in the top 20 very quick.  so far we are up to #36 since i started voting earlier this month.

When was the last time BTER added a coin from the voting list ?

[prophetx]

https://www.coinpayments.net/vote

you should think about getting your coin added

I have sent them a request. Thanks for sharing.

We have more places where we are added for voting, feel free to help!

Vote to add SJCX on BTER. We need everyone's help with this one.

Vote to add SJCX on askcoin.net

Ask your favourite exchange to list Storjcoin X (SJCX)!!!

i vote a few times a day on https://bter.com/voting

if i just had help from 4 or 5 people, this would be in the top 20 very quick.  so far we are up to #36 since i started voting earlier this month.

When was the last time BTER added a coin from the voting list ?

unfortunately i do not know anyone who works there.

do you?

[mishax1]

https://www.coinpayments.net/vote

you should think about getting your coin added

I have sent them a request. Thanks for sharing.

We have more places where we are added for voting, feel free to help!

Vote to add SJCX on BTER. We need everyone's help with this one.

Vote to add SJCX on askcoin.net

Ask your favourite exchange to list Storjcoin X (SJCX)!!!

i vote a few times a day on https://bter.com/voting

if i just had help from 4 or 5 people, this would be in the top 20 very quick.  so far we are up to #36 since i started voting earlier this month.

When was the last time BTER added a coin from the voting list ?

unfortunately i do not know anyone who works there.

do you?

No.. I would ask this question in their unofficial thread but I think it would be be useless since there's no much action there.. maybe tweet them ?

[mem_co]

You should talk to the owner of mega.co or other company like netload, etc. This is a way where you have to go.

[melisande]

You should talk to the owner of mega.co or other company like netload, etc. This is a way where you have to go.

I also believe what you said because it is good for expansion purpose and it will further strengthen Storj coin growth and acceptance.

[prophetx]

You should talk to the owner of mega.co or other company like netload, etc. This is a way where you have to go.

I also believe what you said because it is good for expansion purpose and it will further strengthen Storj coin growth and acceptance.

yes i told kimdotcom he needs to to acquire the storj.io team (i know...)

[prophetx]

https://www.coinpayments.net/vote

you should think about getting your coin added

I have sent them a request. Thanks for sharing.

We have more places where we are added for voting, feel free to help!

Vote to add SJCX on BTER. We need everyone's help with this one.

Vote to add SJCX on askcoin.net

Ask your favourite exchange to list Storjcoin X (SJCX)!!!

i vote a few times a day on https://bter.com/voting

if i just had help from 4 or 5 people, this would be in the top 20 very quick.  so far we are up to #36 since i started voting earlier this month.

When was the last time BTER added a coin from the voting list ?

unfortunately i do not know anyone who works there.

do you?

No.. I would ask this question in their unofficial thread but I think it would be be useless since there's no much action there.. maybe tweet them ?

You can probably ask it in their own forum. I am sure they would read that. You could also PM Storj here.

i asked someone that knows someone that runs that joint

probably needs a bit more volume, as things pick up with the beta etc

probably need to do some give aways at universities or whatever to drive user adoption as well

[mem_co]

You should talk to the owner of mega.co or other company like netload, etc. This is a way where you have to go.

I also believe what you said because it is good for expansion purpose and it will further strengthen Storj coin growth and acceptance.

I think this is one and only one way to make bright future of Storj coin.

[williamj2543]

Hi, If i put in the 0.4btc to buy 10,000 storjcoins, what happens after that? I would like early access to the driveshare program, but do we get paid in early access? Also how much do we get paid

[Stinky_Pete]

Hi, If i put in the 0.4btc to buy 10,000 storjcoins, what happens after that? I would like early access to the driveshare program, but do we get paid in early access? Also how much do we get paid

http://storj.io/earlyaccess

Payment levels to be decided by the 'the market' IIRC

[williamj2543]

Hi, If i put in the 0.4btc to buy 10,000 storjcoins, what happens after that? I would like early access to the driveshare program, but do we get paid in early access? Also how much do we get paid

http://storj.io/earlyaccess

Payment levels to be decided by the 'the market' IIRC

Yea, I know 0.4 is just an estimatino, but what would happen after I buy the 10,000

[STORJX]

Hi, If i put in the 0.4btc to buy 10,000 storjcoins, what happens after that? I would like early access to the driveshare program, but do we get paid in early access? Also how much do we get paid

http://storj.io/earlyaccess

Payment levels to be decided by the 'the market' IIRC

Yea, I know 0.4 is just an estimatino, but what would happen after I buy the 10,000

If you have a crowdsale SJCX address and top it up to 10K SJCX you will be whitelisted for Test Group A.
While Test Group B is for all crowdsale addresses no matter how many SJCX they hold.
If you don't have a crowdsale SJCX address you will be whitelisted for test Group C and not the above.

Rewards for sharing your storage with DriveShare will available starting from Test Group B.
Our first Test Group A is not rewarded, testing will not be for files uploaded via MetaDisk yet but more of a network stress test.
It will be useful to collect initial data and stats and scale things up from there by testing, fixing bugs, developing further.

 

[barabbas]

Considering I have over 2 TB of space just on my normal hard drive, i'd love to use this. It looks really cool.

We have removed our whitepaper because we want to refine it a bit more. At least according to those numbers if you sold you hard drive at Dropbox prices you would make $2,000 a year off your 2 TB. You will be a very happy camper when we add proof of resource to Storj.

We aren't promising that quite yet as the computer science algorithms need a ton more work, but you might be able to run a web node (if you don't mind doing a decent amount of config) and make a nice sum of coins that way.

If there's decent documentation on how everything works I won't have a problem doing any of that stuff. I don't care how much I get paid really, as long as it's noticeable that something is happening. The problem is that the 2 TB is split between being half on my 2 TB hard drive and the other half on an empty 1 TB external. An easy solution would probably just be to partition my main drive.

EDIT: If you have any kind of beta for this, please let me know. I'd be eager to help work out bugs and just generally help with this.

EDITEDIT: I just looked on the website and entered my email, didn't see that before.

Our early supporters will get to play around with the web nodes. Those just get stuff working and allow you to play around with our platform.

Should not be a problem when we have our apps for that. We also plan on working with Maidsafe for the whole sell your hard drive part.

A couple questions:

1.- So this is an encryption protocol by which images/documents/files will be "saved" to hard drives of people's computers all over the world, presumably in parts, am I right? If I am, the likelihood of those parts of files being lost or otherwise inaccessible, is very high, so I'd imagine there will be numerous "backups" with the search jumping from one to another until finding the right, complete file/folder which is requested... if that is the case, how is this going to compete or even use remotely close numbers to dropbox, that you mention, when they have DEDICATED server accessible 24/7? And since so many people will be paid for their storage, either insignificant payments will be made or it would result in non competitive prices... what am I missing?

2.- Since this will be completely decentralized, people will be storing in their computers, unknowingly, everything from child porno to unlawful contracts of every kind, from drugs and weapons to human parts... how do you plan on avoiding legal enforcement giving the seriousness of the items? Yo DO know that such activities will not only BE LOCATED but shot down and with the responsible parties (that would be you or anyone that facilitates and/or makes money facilitating such activities) thrown in jail, don't you?

1) You set the redundancy a file is stored at. If a node stops carrying a file or goes offline, it will fail a 'check-in' for that data by the network. The network will heal this missing file by taking an existing copy and rehosting it to a new node to maintain redundancy. If you're still scared of files going  down, you can set redundancy to 50 or even higher - just keep in mind these are quite small micropayments to hosts so even redundancy at 50 won't cost too much relative to, say, Dropbox prices. Keep in mind that bandwidth is also taken into account, not just storage.
 
2) Considering the encryption involved, though it isn't impossible to break, it will be extremely hard to figure out what a file is that is being stored on a node's hard drive - so hard in fact that it would be virtually useless to try to break the encryption. In that way, you can't really get in trouble as a host because there is essentially no way to see what is being stored on your hard drive.
 
On the flip side, if you are storing something illegal on the network, you yourself can get in trouble if LE confiscates your computer. Considering that people will be using things like VPNs and that all you have is an address for SJCX, even then you wouldn't be able to tell what node is storing the illegal content. So while for these examples you can't say FOR SURE that the encryption would be cracked back to the storee or forward to the storage node, it would most likely take such an incredibly long time and a huge amount of computing power that it would be useless to try (to the point that even with a supercomputer or something of the likes it would take billions of year to brute force).  
  
This isn't to say that Storj is made for illegal content, though. We've been passing around ideas for things like if a storee or node makes it public knowledge that they are facilitating the transfer of illegal content, they can be blacklisted.

Thank you for your answers but, on point A, either it is not interesting, financially (not enough savings) for the user or not interesting at all for those allowing their hard drives to be used. Can't have it both ways. Most likely ANY way.

As for the illegal content, the bolded statement just makes no sense at all, sorry. Illegal content will be stored and Law Enforcement will indeed pursue it, whether the storee has knowledge of what it is in their hard drives or not. And if what is there is illegal, they will be held responsible, one way or another, regardless of the level of encryption.

On another matter, I read now you are selling your network (or leasing its use to be more proper), to others. Such as OPAL. What network is that? You don't have storees as of now to be leasing at all? Or am I missing something here?

[brandoff]

Thank you for your answers but, on point A, either it is not interesting, financially (not enough savings) for the user or not interesting at all for those allowing their hard drives to be used. Can't have it both ways. Most likely ANY way.

Your last sentence seems to indicate you've made up your mind or are heavily leaning towards a certain conclusion. It's fine to be skeptical; at the end of the day, for anything to truly take off there are folks will need to "see it to believe it."

As for the illegal content, the bolded statement just makes no sense at all, sorry. Illegal content will be stored and Law Enforcement will indeed pursue it, whether the storee has knowledge of what it is in their hard drives or not. And if what is there is illegal, they will be held responsible, one way or another, regardless of the level of encryption.

Of course LEOs will pursue folks who do things illegally anywhere. That's their rightful job. Folks who knowingly upload illegal content and share the decryption keys can certainly be liable. Folks who knowingly advertise access to illegal content could also be in hot water depending on jurisdiction.

Farmers receive encrypted chunks from the network, in an automatic fashion. Farmers can't tell chunks apart or piece them together as (a) it's highly unlikely they'd have all the requisite chunks to do so and (b) they may not know how the chunks were encrypted and (c) they wouldn't have the keys to decrypt any content. DriveShare clients will also ultimately prune any chunks that aren't being paid for, as a farmer would only want to store chunks that were economical for them.

So if a LEO nabs someone distributing illegal stuff, that person can no longer pay to keep their content on the network and it would be automatically purged from farmers' drives.

Is there a legal precedent you are basing your last statement on? Are you thinking about a certain legal jurisdiction?

Tor relays, for example, may see all kinds of content, however the Tor Project FAQ indicates that no one has ever been sued or prosecuted in the US for running a Tor relay. The same FAQ indicates that the Tor folks believe running a node is completely legal under US law. One of Tor's active sponsors (2014) is the US Department of State Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor. I highly doubt the Department of State would fund a project where running a relay would put you in legal hot water.

On another matter, I read now you are selling your network (or leasing its use to be more proper), to others. Such as GEMS. What network is that? You don't have storees as of now to be leasing at all? Or am I missing something here?

Where did you read this? I think you may be thinking of folks who want to integrate with Storj. The MetaDisk API is one way folks will be able to interact with the Storj network and some projects are intending to make use of that API. No "selling" or "leasing" involved.

[barabbas]

The law would apply whether you are aware or not of the nature of the content you are storing IF you have "reasonable indication that what you store can indeed be unlawful". If you participate in such a "ring", so to speak, you cannot pretend ignorance as to what logically will be one of the main uses, if not the main use of such network. The main point is that you are willingly participating in a network that expressly facilitates the distribution of such materials. Now if you want to believe that it will be above the law and therefore you cannot be held accountable, you choose that assumption much the same way you choose to assume that driving at 90 mph in a 60 zone won't result in consequences.

In answering you last question (and editing it for it wasn't GEMS but OPAL), it is here: http://cointelegraph.com/news/113014/opalcoin-joins-the-supernet-core-partners-with-storj

And, specifically, these paragraphs: Decentralized storage offers many times the security of centralized cloud storage companies such as Dropbox and Google Drive. This is particularly relevant to companies and individuals that deal with sensitive information. Not only would the information be distributed among hundreds, if not thousands, of Storj contributors, but it could also be encrypted with a multisig address instead of a single-signature one, further decentralizing and securing access to those files from the client side.

[super3]

The law would apply whether you are aware or not of the nature of the content you are storing IF you have "reasonable indication that what you store can indeed be unlawful". If you participate in such a "ring", so to speak, you cannot pretend ignorance as to what logically will be one of the main uses, if not the main use of such network. The main point is that you are willingly participating in a network that expressly facilitates the distribution of such materials. Now if you want to believe that it will be above the law and therefore you cannot be held accountable, you choose that assumption much the same way you choose to assume that driving at 90 mph in a 60 zone won't result in consequences.

In answering you last question, it is in the GEMS OP. And no, it isn't integration, it's leasing the STORJ network.

"The main point is that you are willingly participating in a network that expressly facilitates the distribution of such materials."
Can you please support this statement with some sort of legal brief or existing court case? We have existing legal precedent in Tor as brandoff stated.
I know some of Tor guys, so if you want to PM me your email perhaps we could ask the guys who actually deal with this on a daily basis.

[brandoff]

In answering you last question (and editing it for it wasn't GEMS but OPAL), it is here: http://cointelegraph.com/news/113014/opalcoin-joins-the-supernet-core-partners-with-storj

And, specifically, these paragraphs: Decentralized storage offers many times the security of centralized cloud storage companies such as Dropbox and Google Drive. This is particularly relevant to companies and individuals that deal with sensitive information. Not only would the information be distributed among hundreds, if not thousands, of Storj contributors, but it could also be encrypted with a multisig address instead of a single-signature one, further decentralizing and securing access to those files from the client side.

What I said earlier still applies. As I understand it, OPAL is planning to use the MetaDisk API to support additional functionality in their own project. If they use the API to upload a lot of encrypted data chunks to the Storj network it's certainly possible that many farmers could end up receiving those chunks. But inside the Storj network it's the same deal.

[barabbas]

In answering you last question (and editing it for it wasn't GEMS but OPAL), it is here: http://cointelegraph.com/news/113014/opalcoin-joins-the-supernet-core-partners-with-storj

And, specifically, these paragraphs: Decentralized storage offers many times the security of centralized cloud storage companies such as Dropbox and Google Drive. This is particularly relevant to companies and individuals that deal with sensitive information. Not only would the information be distributed among hundreds, if not thousands, of Storj contributors, but it could also be encrypted with a multisig address instead of a single-signature one, further decentralizing and securing access to those files from the client side.

What I said earlier still applies. As I understand it, OPAL is planning to use the MetaDisk API to support additional functionality in their own project. If they use the API to upload a lot of encrypted data chunks to the Storj network it's certainly possible that many farmers could end up receiving those chunks. But inside the Storj network it's the same deal.

My question was: What network? Who is storing for Stork as of right now? And does Storj have access to so many hard drives as to be leasing the network? I must have missed something because this just doesn't make any sense to me.

[barabbas]

The law would apply whether you are aware or not of the nature of the content you are storing IF you have "reasonable indication that what you store can indeed be unlawful". If you participate in such a "ring", so to speak, you cannot pretend ignorance as to what logically will be one of the main uses, if not the main use of such network. The main point is that you are willingly participating in a network that expressly facilitates the distribution of such materials. Now if you want to believe that it will be above the law and therefore you cannot be held accountable, you choose that assumption much the same way you choose to assume that driving at 90 mph in a 60 zone won't result in consequences.

In answering you last question, it is in the GEMS OP. And no, it isn't integration, it's leasing the STORJ network.

"The main point is that you are willingly participating in a network that expressly facilitates the distribution of such materials."
Can you please support this statement with some sort of legal brief or existing court case? We have existing legal precedent in Tor as brandoff stated.
I know some of Tor guys, so if you want to PM me your email perhaps we could ask the guys who actually deal with this on a daily basis.

The short answer is no. A longer answer would be I am going by common sense and law enforcement doing their duty. The actions and declared intentions of LE are very clear of late and a sharp forecast of the future, no matter how it will end that being framed. It is a "business" you don't want to be in, period. And if you are going to facilitate such endeavors providing a distribution network, you HAVE TO, by law, enact procedures to prevent the traffic and distribution of such materials, whether there's precedent or you are willing to be the one setting it. We cannot logically pretend that we are offering a network of anonymous storage and distribution to safeguard the privacy of the customers, without contemplating obvious, evident, inevitable collateral activities that the law will pursue diligently and expeditiously. I know the legal machinery of Ethereum is considering all the [potential options, but other than that, it seems to me that everyone, including Stork, is acting quite irresponsibly and heading towards Silk Road 3.

[STORJX]

My question was: What network? Who is storing for Stork as of right now? And does Storj have access to so many hard drives as to be leasing the network? I must have missed something because this just doesn't make any sense to me.

The Storj community has pledged about 1.3 PB to start farming with so far and counting. This is made up of lots of different users' HDs, from all over the world, who want to farm using DriveShare. We are running farming tests as we speak and you can see their status on https://live.driveshare.org. We are preparing to launch our first beta starting with Test Group A.

We never stated we are ready right now, but it won't be long before we get going. We are confident we have a good plan, a great team, and are making continuous progress. Watch this space while our beta goes by, and at the end of it feel free to ask the same questions again.