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March 15, 2013, 01:53:16 PM
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Heya etotheipi.

Thanks again for the nice software which I've been using for almost a year now.

I recently upgraded to Bitcoin-Qt v0.8.0 and noticed that Armory stopped showing my balance and stuff. So I went to http://bitcoinarmory.com/get-armory/ and grabbed the following files:
armory_0.87.2-testing_windows_all.msi
armory_0.87.2-testing_sha256sum.txt.asc

The computed SHA1 for armory_0.87.2-testing_windows_all.msi doesn't match the one found inside armory_0.87.2-testing_sha256sum.txt.asc
Two different programs I used, are saying that the SHA1 hash of the downloaded file is e9f67376c5f2072b03ed692b6344a91109d784b0 but the SHA1 hash inside armory_0.87.2-testing_sha256sum.txt.asc is 68fc84d041bdb2d36a2b88c7d7b84d14709b8e14fabd19a7c384a60f787bc678

Am I doing something wrong here?

EDIT: I just noticed that the download page at https://code.google.com/p/bitcoinarmory/downloads/detail?name=armory_0.87.2-testing_windows_all.msi shows the correct SHA1 hash, so I guess it's all OK Smiley (I guess the hashes in armory_0.87.2-testing_sha256sum.txt.asc are outdated...)

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March 15, 2013, 02:44:23 PM
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Heya etotheipi.

Thanks again for the nice software which I've been using for almost a year now.

I recently upgraded to Bitcoin-Qt v0.8.0 and noticed that Armory stopped showing my balance and stuff. So I went to http://bitcoinarmory.com/get-armory/ and grabbed the following files:
armory_0.87.2-testing_windows_all.msi
armory_0.87.2-testing_sha256sum.txt.asc

The computed SHA1 for armory_0.87.2-testing_windows_all.msi doesn't match the one found inside armory_0.87.2-testing_sha256sum.txt.asc
Two different programs I used, are saying that the SHA1 hash of the downloaded file is e9f67376c5f2072b03ed692b6344a91109d784b0 but the SHA1 hash inside armory_0.87.2-testing_sha256sum.txt.asc is 68fc84d041bdb2d36a2b88c7d7b84d14709b8e14fabd19a7c384a60f787bc678

Am I doing something wrong here?

EDIT: I just noticed that the download page at https://code.google.com/p/bitcoinarmory/downloads/detail?name=armory_0.87.2-testing_windows_all.msi shows the correct SHA1 hash, so I guess it's all OK Smiley (I guess the hashes in armory_0.87.2-testing_sha256sum.txt.asc are outdated...)

The hashes in that file are SHA256 hashes of the files, not SHA1.  That's why there was a difference.  There was not a great reason for picking SHA256 over the default, other than it seemed appropriate for Bitcoin which is reliant on SHA256.

But now that you mention it, I realize that the googledownload page gives the SHA1 hash.  Maybe I should switch back...  sorry for the confusion!

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March 15, 2013, 04:10:33 PM
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The hashes in that file are SHA256 hashes of the files, not SHA1.  That's why there was a difference.  There was not a great reason for picking SHA256 over the default, other than it seemed appropriate for Bitcoin which is reliant on SHA256.

Soz! My bad >.<

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March 16, 2013, 05:14:40 PM
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How can I force armory to look at the block chain and update?

When I get coins sent to my armory address they do not show in the armory application.  My bitcoin client is up to date.

The way I force it to update now is by closing it down and restarting it.   Tongue

Sounds like you're using an older version of Armory with Bitcoin-Qt 0.8+.  Do you have the latest one from: http://bitcoinarmory.com/get-armory/ ?

I was using the current version of armory with bitcoin-qt 0.7.2.  But since this I have not been able to even get armory going... 

I have bitcoin-qt 0.8 on one PC, bitcoin-qt 0.7.2 on another.  On each of them armory crashes when its started.  Either right away, or after 2 or 3 minutes while offline scanning the blockchain.  It just says armory has stopped working and then closes.  ugg...  Not much info I know, but this is what is happening to me.
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March 16, 2013, 08:14:49 PM
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How can I force armory to look at the block chain and update?

When I get coins sent to my armory address they do not show in the armory application.  My bitcoin client is up to date.

The way I force it to update now is by closing it down and restarting it.   Tongue

Sounds like you're using an older version of Armory with Bitcoin-Qt 0.8+.  Do you have the latest one from: http://bitcoinarmory.com/get-armory/ ?

I was using the current version of armory with bitcoin-qt 0.7.2.  But since this I have not been able to even get armory going... 

I have bitcoin-qt 0.8 on one PC, bitcoin-qt 0.7.2 on another.  On each of them armory crashes when its started.  Either right away, or after 2 or 3 minutes while offline scanning the blockchain.  It just says armory has stopped working and then closes.  ugg...  Not much info I know, but this is what is happening to me.

How much RAM does your system have?  Is this Windows or Linux? 

I suspect this is more resource-usage issues.  I keep saying it -- I'm going to be upgrading the blockchain stuff soon to "fix this".  Unfortunately, I'm in the middle of another important (major) upgrade, so I wanted to finish that first... but the system usage is my number one priority after that! 

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March 16, 2013, 09:47:30 PM
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8 GB RAM, Windows 7 64 on the machine with bitcoin-qt 8.0
4 GB RAM, Windows 7 64 on the machine with bitcoin-qt 7.2

I have re-installed on each machine.
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March 16, 2013, 09:57:26 PM
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8 GB RAM, Windows 7 64 on the machine with bitcoin-qt 8.0
4 GB RAM, Windows 7 64 on the machine with bitcoin-qt 7.2

I have re-installed on each machine.


Can you email me the log file?  I doubt I'll see anything in there, but you never know...  (etotheipi gmail com)

Unfortunately, I don't have anything else to suggest other than re-synchronizing your blockchain from scratch.  Usually mid-scan crashes have to do with a corrupted blockchain file... though that wouldn't explain why both of them crash.

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March 19, 2013, 01:41:35 AM
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Just a teaser to show that I haven't totally been slacking (well, I have been busy, so I haven't been able to work on it as much as I wanted to):



I have been anxious to resolve the resource usage, but I was in the dead middle of this auto-management upgrade.  It's been a total PITA, but it will be totally worth it.  I'm convinced that many problems are due to bitcoind/-qt not being synchronized properly before people start it.  It sounds so simple, but people have very little patience... and this is the number one barrier between me and my non-Bitcoin friends who would otherwise try my program.  This can actually make using Bitcoin-Qt easier, as I give some explanation of what's going on, and what to expect.

And once I have this released, I'm going full-throttle into persistent-blockchain Armory.  This will come with instant-load after bitcoind/-qt is synchronized, and it should clear up a plethora of instability issues caused by fighting over the blkfiles with bitcoind/-qt.  And I wish I had a better way to refer to that software other than "bitcoind/-qt"...  (In the app, I now just refer to it as "Please download the base Bitcoin software from www.bitcoin.org").

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March 19, 2013, 02:03:05 AM
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One word, that is looks good, I can't wait!!! I probably will wait for the .app file thou LOL

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March 19, 2013, 02:19:34 AM
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I probably will wait for the .app file thou LOL

Unfortunately, there will be no auto-bitcoind for OSX Sad  Because bitcoind is not distributed with OSX, so I'd have to do Bitcoin-Qt, but that's even more of a PITA, when the user keeps closing it and Armory freaks out.  I could minimize it, but it won't be totally hidden.

On the upside, I'm just about done with identity verification and will have a code-signing certificate soon!  This means that I can finally release signed installers for both Windows and OSX.  It's just that OSX will be one step behind, still requiring manual bitcoind/-qt management...

I know I just finished a bounty for OSX, and I'm fairly certain I'll have a signed .app for it soon, but I am wondering if another bounty would be supported for a bitcoind makefile to give to Gavin.  He's against building bitcoind with the official releases because there's no straightforward way to do it, without static compiling everything into it, or making a separate .app which is not only extra work for something in low-demand, but kinda weird since it's a .app command-line applicaiton...?

If someone figured out how to static compile everything into one executable that could be thrown in the existing .app, perhaps we could hand him the Makefile and he could review it an add it.  I know it won't be easy, and that's why I think there needs to be a bounty.  Otherwise... I'm not quite sure how to proceed...

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March 19, 2013, 08:09:37 PM
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So apparently Wired ran an article that was basically about "Cold Storage", and there was no mention of Armory anywhere!  How did that happen?!?

If anyone feels like donating a minute or two to "marketing", please visit the Wired article and upvote the comment by "Alan Reiner" (that's me!).  You can also simply respond.  Either way, it'll help push that comment to the top where it belongs!   You can use a facebook for google+ login to do anything on that page.

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March 19, 2013, 10:11:02 PM
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So apparently Wired ran an article that was basically about "Cold Storage", and there was no mention of Armory anywhere!  How did that happen?!?

If anyone feels like donating a minute or two to "marketing", please visit the Wired article and upvote the comment by "Alan Reiner" (that's me!).  You can also simply respond.  Either way, it'll help push that comment to the top where it belongs!   You can use a facebook for google+ login to do anything on that page.

Idiots. Upvoted, come on people it takes 2 seconds!

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March 19, 2013, 10:40:44 PM
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So apparently Wired ran an article that was basically about "Cold Storage", and there was no mention of Armory anywhere!  How did that happen?!?

If anyone feels like donating a minute or two to "marketing", please visit the Wired article and upvote the comment by "Alan Reiner" (that's me!).  You can also simply respond.  Either way, it'll help push that comment to the top where it belongs!   You can use a facebook for google+ login to do anything on that page.

Idiots. Upvoted, come on people it takes 2 seconds!

+1 did my part I only use armory for cold storage and it makes it so easy!

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March 20, 2013, 09:47:21 PM
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Check out this bling!



Got another cert just for code signing that is kept exclusively offline, but I'm not sure I can use it for OSX builds without bringing it online, or getting an OSX system offline (which will complicate the release process, for sure).

It'd be awesome if someone could figure out whether it's possible to sign OSX *.app files using Linux... so far it's not looking promising, but I'm sure I'm not the first person that's wanted to do this.  It looks like it's possible with Windows installers using mono and/or osslsigncode.  I really want to be able to sign all installers from a single computer.


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March 22, 2013, 03:31:43 AM
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Linux users:  Please help test!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=156250.msg1655941#msg1655941

I'm working on the Windows side of it, now.  I'll update that post when its ready.

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Has someone successfully compiled current Armory version for Rpi?
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March 22, 2013, 12:02:08 PM
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Has someone successfully compiled current Armory version for Rpi?

Yes, a few days ago.  I followed the instructions here: https://gist.github.com/FiloSottile/3646033
but instead of applying the patch to the Makefile, I went through it by hand and made the same changes.  I also had to remove $(STATICPYTHON) from the command line where the shared object (.so) is built.

Also, be aware that he refers to another page on how to build the cross compiler, and below that writes that you also have to enable building the C++ compiler.  If you overlook that you waste three hours of compiling!

I cannot walk you through it, as I will go offline for a week or so in half an hour Smiley


EDIT:  You will also need to install a number of dependencies on the RPi, the error messages when attempting to start Armory without them will point you in the right direction.  I chose to take it online and install them with apt-get, the truly paranoid should probably move the packages with an USB stick, although if the RPi never goes online after the wallet has been created I am not worried (and the yet non-existing wallet-stealing malware could have infected the installation image, too). 

But if you do that, you might just install all dependencies on the RPi and compile there.  It may take forever, but should complete unless there is too little RAM to compile the huge _wrap.cpp file that Swig generates.
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March 24, 2013, 08:48:50 PM
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Hello, new armory user here. Quick question:

If bitcoinqt is not synchronized (let's say i'm 50 days behind), can I still run armory and have it connect to qt up to its partial synchronization? I don't have any significant bitcoin income to justify staying current, so my qt client often gets a month or two behind.

Also, if a digital backup is made of an armory wallet file, for an offline wallet, and this backup is somehow stolen and spent, would the offline armory wallet still display a balance as if nothing had happened? Thus, I would only discover the theft if I tried to sign an unsigned transaction from my online armory, at some point in the future, and find (to my horror!) that the private keys needed to sign the transaction have been spent.
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March 25, 2013, 12:01:00 AM
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Congrats etotheipi !
I upvoted your comment on wired.com
That's not much, but that's the least I can do to congratulate you for your time-consuming wonderful work.

Your major update on v.0.88 seem interesting.
Yet, I have this little dream to - one day - be able to use your convenient offline wallet interface with other cryptocurrencies (NMC & LTC in priority). That would be awesome. 'sure I'm not the only one to think it.
'might need to do special Armory fork/version per currency if you definitely mix it with the client.
But 'whatever.

My moral support to continue the good job Wink
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March 25, 2013, 12:19:59 AM
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Hello, new armory user here. Quick question:

If bitcoinqt is not synchronized (let's say i'm 50 days behind), can I still run armory and have it connect to qt up to its partial synchronization? I don't have any significant bitcoin income to justify staying current, so my qt client often gets a month or two behind.

Also, if a digital backup is made of an armory wallet file, for an offline wallet, and this backup is somehow stolen and spent, would the offline armory wallet still display a balance as if nothing had happened? Thus, I would only discover the theft if I tried to sign an unsigned transaction from my online armory, at some point in the future, and find (to my horror!) that the private keys needed to sign the transaction have been spent.

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It might work being 50 days behind, but probably not.  You'd be lucky if it does work, and doesn't start choking on all the data that Bitcoin-Qt is sending it.  The new version will actually just run it in the background for you, and won't even let you connect until it's synchronized -- because users have so many problems when they do it early Undecided

I know backups are confusing, which is why I made this backups page.  There's a better one, coming soon, but that at least has most of the information you could want.

The answer to your question (directly), is that if your wallet is encrypted, your digital backup will be, too.  The encryption is very strong, and the attacker needs to know something about the passphrase in order to break it.  So in that case, you'd be safe.  But you'd probably also forget the password in 2 years when you need it, making that digital backup not very useful (especially if you are trying to restore from backup because you forgot your passphrase!).

I always recommend a paper backup, which is unencrypted.  Similarly, if your wallet is unencrypted, your digital backup will be too.  In both cases, if someone steals it, they will send all your coins to their own address, and your online Armory will show an outgoing transaction to an unknown address.  You won't see anything on the offline computer, because it doesn't have network access (the offline computer doesn't even show balances, it's only for "signing the checks").  If you have online armory open, though, you'll see it right away.  And you won't know that anything is wrong until it's too late.

Let me just reiterate one point:  the vast majority of use Bitcoin cases are threatened by online/virtual threats, not physical threats.  Unless you have a specific reason to worry about physical security of your paper backups, you should use the unencrypted one.  Because, if you use the encrypted one and forget your passphrase, it's just as good as not having any backup at all!





Congrats etotheipi !
I upvoted your comment on wired.com
That's not much, but that's the least I can do to congratulate you for your time-consuming wonderful work.

Your major update on v.0.88 seem interesting.
Yet, I have this little dream to - one day - be able to use your convenient offline wallet interface with other cryptocurrencies (NMC & LTC in priority). That would be awesome. 'sure I'm not the only one to think it.
'might need to do special Armory fork/version per currency if you definitely mix it with the client.
But 'whatever.

My moral support to continue the good job Wink

Hey thanks!  Unfortunately, the other currencies are not in my priorities list, but "simple" variants like LTC can probably be made work with only changing a few constants and updating a couple of functions.  I can offer advice to someone making that leap, but I don't have time to do it myself and debug it, etc (also, I don't use the others coins, so I don't even know where to begin)..

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