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April 06, 2013, 04:44:54 AM
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Great software, however I just upgraded to version .87 beta on ubuntu 12.04 and bitcoin-qt .8.1 and now when Armory start and
scan the block chain it runs for awhile and then crashes.  I usually fix things myself, but I need to send some bitcoins for payment.
So could you give me a idea of what may be wrong.

Does it crash after it finishes scanning?  Or during?  There's been some issues with upgrading to Bitcoin-Qt 0.8 plus ... it has new blockchain files.  Armory 0.87+ should handle it, but sometimes it doesn't play nice.  Most often when I hear of Armory crashing during scanning, it's because the blk files became corrupt.  Which is unfortunate, since it requires redownloading everything...

Can you send me a log file?  You can export it while it's scanning.  Email or PM. 

Also, you might try the newest version of Armory, but you have to build from source -- it's quite simple though:

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1.  $ sudo apt-get install git-core build-essential pyqt4-dev-tools swig libqtcore4 libqt4-dev python-qt4 python-dev python-twisted python-psutil
2.  $ git clone git://github.com/etotheipi/BitcoinArmory.git
3.  $ cd BitcoinArmory
3a. $ git checkout managesatoshi  #(extra step to access 0.87.9)
4.  $ make
5.  $ python ArmoryQt.py

Not only might it fix your problem (or make it worse!), but the log file contains a LOT more useful information for me.  So if that fails, let me know (you'll have to either let it run bitcoind for you, or open the settings and select that you want to run it yourself).

It is just scanning, then it crashes, so I guess it is while it is scanning. 

Ok, I have build it from source already, I will try the new version 0.87.9
and yes it is easy to build, thanks for the good instructions.

I will let you know if that fixes the problem, or I will send you the log file.

Thanks Again.
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April 06, 2013, 09:35:03 AM
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Haha, nice interview anyway, good job Smiley

Did I miss it or did you completely step over the fact what your 'role'/'contribution' is wrt Bitcoin? (aka, the real proof you are an expert). Did you leave out Armory on purpose?  

They literally called me and said "Hey we're from this radio station and want to interview you?  How bout in 10 minutes?"  I didn't realize it was only going to be a five-minute interview, so I didn't have time to talk about myself.   I would have if he asked anything about security, but the topic never came up.  

Personally, I'm fine with the way it went.  I'd rather try to spread good information about Bitcoin and get people interested in Bitcoin in general, than promote some application for that "Bitcoin thing" that they don't understand.  "It's the most secure way to use this thing that you don't care about!  Go try it out!"  Smiley



How did they find you?

I haven't listen to the audio yet, but it would be too bad if you didn't get the chance to tell them that given enough attention, bitcoin is much more scure/less hackable than gold/fiats are.

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April 06, 2013, 02:04:44 PM
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PLEASE help me figure this out!  I have just released the latest, 0.87.92, installation instructions below.  Note that more than just auto-management has been added.  I also made the little "(?)" icons clickable, and reduced the number of windows you have to click through to use offline wallets.  

Linux:
-- Pull and switch branches: "git checkout managesatoshi"
-- Must install python-psutil package.  This is a new dependency to help with managing the background process.  It will be added to the next offline bundle.
-- Recompile
Ok, I compiled it with signature checking. I don`t know what did you sign exactly (commit itself or its id, I don`t know how this realized in git, but probably in the right way I hope), but gpg says it is ok Smiley The first start says that I shouldn`t start bitcoind, so I click "Change Settings" and here what was in terminal:
Code:
(ERROR) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/opt/BitcoinArmory/ArmoryQt.py", line 716, in openSettings
    dlgSettings = DlgSettings(self, self)
  File "/opt/BitcoinArmory/qtdialogs.py", line 9913, in __init__
    'specified format.' % exampleStr )
  File "/opt/BitcoinArmory/qtdefines.py", line 203, in __init__
    self.setText(txt, **kwargs)
  File "/opt/BitcoinArmory/qtdefines.py", line 206, in setText
    text = str(text)
UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 228-229: ordinal not in range(128)

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/opt/BitcoinArmory/ArmoryQt.py", line 716, in openSettings
    dlgSettings = DlgSettings(self, self)
  File "/opt/BitcoinArmory/qtdialogs.py", line 9913, in __init__
    'specified format.' % exampleStr )
  File "/opt/BitcoinArmory/qtdefines.py", line 203, in __init__
    self.setText(txt, **kwargs)
  File "/opt/BitcoinArmory/qtdefines.py", line 206, in setText
    text = str(text)
UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 228-229: ordinal not in range(128)
Also this happen when I go to File-Settings. Since then I can`t point bitcoind to Tor, I hope in Settings I can append commands to bitcoind when it works.

On exit I get this
Code:
error: couldn't connect to server
If it is caused by lack of Internet then it`s ok Smiley

P.S. On Arch Linux, python2-psutils is needed.

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April 06, 2013, 03:01:47 PM
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PLEASE help me figure this out!  I have just released the latest, 0.87.92, installation instructions below.  Note that more than just auto-management has been added.  I also made the little "(?)" icons clickable, and reduced the number of windows you have to click through to use offline wallets.  

Linux:
-- Pull and switch branches: "git checkout managesatoshi"
-- Must install python-psutil package.  This is a new dependency to help with managing the background process.  It will be added to the next offline bundle.
-- Recompile
Ok, I compiled it with signature checking. I don`t know what did you sign exactly (commit itself or its id, I don`t know how this realized in git, but probably in the right way I hope), but gpg says it is ok Smiley The first start says that I shouldn`t start bitcoind, so I click "Change Settings" and here what was in terminal:
Code:
(ERROR) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/opt/BitcoinArmory/ArmoryQt.py", line 716, in openSettings
    dlgSettings = DlgSettings(self, self)
  File "/opt/BitcoinArmory/qtdialogs.py", line 9913, in __init__
    'specified format.' % exampleStr )
  File "/opt/BitcoinArmory/qtdefines.py", line 203, in __init__
    self.setText(txt, **kwargs)
  File "/opt/BitcoinArmory/qtdefines.py", line 206, in setText
    text = str(text)
UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 228-229: ordinal not in range(128)

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/opt/BitcoinArmory/ArmoryQt.py", line 716, in openSettings
    dlgSettings = DlgSettings(self, self)
  File "/opt/BitcoinArmory/qtdialogs.py", line 9913, in __init__
    'specified format.' % exampleStr )
  File "/opt/BitcoinArmory/qtdefines.py", line 203, in __init__
    self.setText(txt, **kwargs)
  File "/opt/BitcoinArmory/qtdefines.py", line 206, in setText
    text = str(text)
UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 228-229: ordinal not in range(128)
Also this happen when I go to File-Settings. Since then I can`t point bitcoind to Tor, I hope in Settings I can append commands to bitcoind when it works.

On exit I get this
Code:
error: couldn't connect to server
If it is caused by lack of Internet then it`s ok Smiley

P.S. On Arch Linux, python2-psutils is needed.

Ahh yeah, back to the unicode issues.  I just don't have support for unicode yet, so I guess non-English/ASCII-native systems will have trouble.  That is something I was going to fix when I upgrade the wallets.

As for adding command line arguments to bitcoind/bitcoin-qt... I hadn't planned on it.  I figured, if you are using non-standard command line arguments (that aren't configurable in your bitcoin.conf, then you'll probably just turn off auto-bitcoind management anyway.

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April 06, 2013, 03:06:55 PM
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This may have been asked before, but is there nothing can be done to mitigate the one hour freeze of my laptop whenever I start Armory?

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April 06, 2013, 03:49:43 PM
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This may have been asked before, but is there nothing can be done to mitigate the one hour freeze of my laptop whenever I start Armory?

Does it freeze?  I should run but be in offline mode.  If your laptop is lower on the RAM spectrum, then I suppose it can take a while...

I'm starting on the RAM reduction stuff this week.  I have no idea how long it's going to take, but I expect a week or two.  Then you shouldn't have these problems anymore.

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April 06, 2013, 04:15:52 PM
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This may have been asked before, but is there nothing can be done to mitigate the one hour freeze of my laptop whenever I start Armory?

Does it freeze?  I should run but be in offline mode.  If your laptop is lower on the RAM spectrum, then I suppose it can take a while...

I'm starting on the RAM reduction stuff this week.  I have no idea how long it's going to take, but I expect a week or two.  Then you shouldn't have these problems anymore.

Nah, it's online, freezes in the reading blockchain part. My laptop has got 5G of RAM, not sure how much is freely available at the time I started it though.

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April 06, 2013, 04:24:43 PM
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This may have been asked before, but is there nothing can be done to mitigate the one hour freeze of my laptop whenever I start Armory?

Does it freeze?  I should run but be in offline mode.  If your laptop is lower on the RAM spectrum, then I suppose it can take a while...

I'm starting on the RAM reduction stuff this week.  I have no idea how long it's going to take, but I expect a week or two.  Then you shouldn't have these problems anymore.

Nah, it's online, freezes in the reading blockchain part. My laptop has got 5G of RAM, not sure how much is freely available at the time I started it though.

I assume you're running 0.87.2?  Before 0.8-something, I didn't have multi-threaded blockchain operations, which meant that it froze for everyone when it started up.  But that was a while ago, I assume you have the latest...

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April 07, 2013, 02:09:30 AM
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This may have been asked before, but is there nothing can be done to mitigate the one hour freeze of my laptop whenever I start Armory?

Does it freeze?  I should run but be in offline mode.  If your laptop is lower on the RAM spectrum, then I suppose it can take a while...

I'm starting on the RAM reduction stuff this week.  I have no idea how long it's going to take, but I expect a week or two.  Then you shouldn't have these problems anymore.

Nah, it's online, freezes in the reading blockchain part. My laptop has got 5G of RAM, not sure how much is freely available at the time I started it though.

I assume you're running 0.87.2?  Before 0.8-something, I didn't have multi-threaded blockchain operations, which meant that it froze for everyone when it started up.  But that was a while ago, I assume you have the latest...

Yes, 0.87.2, so if it's all gonna be resolved in 0.88 I am definitely gonna compile it right, I was just too lazy to install that many additional packages. Tongue

Come on Alan, you got too good a memory. Cheesy

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April 07, 2013, 05:35:02 AM
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Yeah, I should've been focusing on things that were higher priority...  but I didn't want to run off down the persistent-blockchain path until I had the auto-bitcoind stuff mostly out of the way.  So instead, I've implemented a feature I've been meaning to do for quite a while!

All unlock dialogs now have an "On-Screen Display" keyboard!  Simple, off-the-shelf keyloggers won't be of much use if you're using an OSD keyboard.  And while it's probably not worth it, I added a "scramble" option so that you can feel ultra safe, even if the keylogger is recording mouse clicks (but not screenshots).  I say it's probably not worth it, because it's a cool idea, but it's a total pain in the ass to use!   It's almost intolerable, especially if you have a 16-character password like I do!  I'm sure someone will use it, though Smiley

The managesatoshi branch now reflects 0.87.95, and probably going to move towards merging this into the testing branch.  Some people have had some bad experiences with it, but I think the solution is to have a trouble-shooting webpage to help people get over it.  There's only some much time I can spend debugging this!






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April 07, 2013, 05:54:14 PM
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I read somewhere that XP is the oldest Windows compatible with Armory but can't find that info anymore, am I correct? Apparently that old computer growing old without use had Windows 98 installed instead of XP, jesus. Do I need to install another OS? Naturally talking about the offline use.
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April 08, 2013, 04:18:26 AM
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I read somewhere that XP is the oldest Windows compatible with Armory but can't find that info anymore, am I correct? Apparently that old computer growing old without use had Windows 98 installed instead of XP, jesus. Do I need to install another OS? Naturally talking about the offline use.

I assume that Windows 98 is too old, but I have no evidence to back that up.  Please try the "windows_all.msi" file and let me know.  I just wouldn't count on it.  As long as it has 128 MB+ RAM, it can run Ubuntu 10.04-32bit, which can be setup in about 20 minutes, and all you need is the offline bundle.  It's possible even without any real linux experience.  But I'll let others comment on whether that's accurate.


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April 08, 2013, 05:54:43 AM
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Yeah, I already proceeded to burn an Ubuntu CD, but I'll try with the Win 98 first and let y'all know if it works. Gotta then make that paper backup right away as the over decade-old computer is making some interesting noises Grin
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April 08, 2013, 05:57:28 AM
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Help me test 0.87.95-beta!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=156250.msg1655941#msg1655941

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Updates in 0.87.95-testing (soon to be 0.88)
  • Auto management of bitcoind: This most definitely will break on OSX... gonna deal with that this week.  What needs to be done should be fairly well-explained in the interface.  I will be adding a troubleshooting section to the website to catch the most common issues.
  • Notifications of new Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind versions:  It should work with both self-management and auto-management of bitcoind.
  • Windows code-signing certificates:  Just like my GPG keys, I have an offline code-signing certificate just for Windows installers/MSIs
  • On-screen Keyboard for passphrase entry: You can now fool keyloggers by using an on-screen keyboard.  If you're ultra-paranoid (and ultra-patient) you can use a keyboard that is scrambled in a cryptographically secure manner.   Comes in "regular" and "insane" flavors.
  • Clickable (?) objects: Yes, they finally do something when you click them (used to be 1.5s mouseover)
  • Reduced the number of windows you have to click through to execute an offline transaction.
  • Created new Ubuntu-10.04-32bit offline bundle:  this includes the frag/unfrag scripts for Shamir's Secret Sharing

OSX package & signing is next on my list.  Then persistent blockchain stuff!  

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April 08, 2013, 08:32:10 AM
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I should have saved information from the popup, but upgrading from 0.87 or so on Windows, I was getting a crash immediately on startup. Uninstalling, deleting the ArmoryBitcoin folder, and reinstalling fixed the problem. I've upgraded a few times so were some old files left in there when I deleted it. After reinstalling starts up no problem.

Auto-installation went smoothly! This is actually pretty awesome because I don't have a persistent bitcoin daemon running on my Windows partition.

Oh, and I love the new scanning progress bar with estimated time to completion. Very slick.

I'm really looking forward to Armory persisting its own blockchain data, I'll gladly trade disk space for memory (using 2.5 GB now). Do you have any idea how much faster startup should be? Is it looking like that's going in the next release?
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April 08, 2013, 10:29:50 AM
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The Windows 98 computer didn't agree to run the .msi file. It also didn't open the Ubuntu installer, and boot from CD was definitely abnormal, didn't work. I'm not sure if this tells anything about Win 98 itself, just about that elderly computer. I am going to try with XP next.
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April 08, 2013, 02:06:56 PM
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I should have saved information from the popup, but upgrading from 0.87 or so on Windows, I was getting a crash immediately on startup. Uninstalling, deleting the ArmoryBitcoin folder, and reinstalling fixed the problem. I've upgraded a few times so were some old files left in there when I deleted it. After reinstalling starts up no problem.

Auto-installation went smoothly! This is actually pretty awesome because I don't have a persistent bitcoin daemon running on my Windows partition.

Oh, and I love the new scanning progress bar with estimated time to completion. Very slick.

The first line in the release notes will be about fully removing Armory before upgrading.  I've actually had quite a few people with that problem.  Glad it went smoothly for someone!  I usually only hear bad stuff!

Would I be able to put my wallet on a network share then be able to access the wallet from multiple computers? Send and receive BTC this way also? If possible, would this raise issues in corrupting the wallet? 

Please do not do this.  Just make digital copies of the wallet, and import them in multiple places.  The wallets are absolutely not "thread-safe" which is what you're doing if you access it from multiple system.  Either make digital copies and import it on multiple systems (with the risk of some address re-use, because some systems don't know that certain addresses have already been distributed), or just make multiple wallets.  Since each one is only one sheet of paper to backup, if you are going to use multiple systems regularly, it might better to keep track of which computer is producing which addresses.

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April 08, 2013, 06:15:51 PM
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Armory is still in beta stage, how safe is it to use offline wallet feature? What if there is a bug and my wallet is gone? Can i import my offline wallet to another client (Qt client)?
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April 08, 2013, 06:25:30 PM
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Armory is still in beta stage, how safe is it to use offline wallet feature? What if there is a bug and my wallet is gone? Can i import my offline wallet to another client (Qt client)?


"Beta" is mostly related to the usability and stability of the interface.  Not the underlying security of the wallet.

At this point, it's getting almost 10k downloads per month!  (used to be 2k, but the recent surge in activity has really propped it up!).  It's extremely stable and in the past 15 months, I've never heard of anyone losing money with Armory except when they didn't make a paper backup!

-- Lots of people have forgotten their wallet passphrase and their wallet became permanently encrypted.  Can be recovered from a paper backup
-- A few people have had their hard-drives fail/corrupt.  You are safe if you have a paper backup.
-- Some people have explicitly deleted files or wallets thinking they know better than Armory what needs to be deleted.  Two people have contacted me about losing coins because they explicitly did this.  They would've been protected if they had made a paper backup.
-- If you want to switch away from Armory at some point, you can "Backup Individual Keys" to write out all the private keys in your wallet and import them into another application.
-- I think some apps have even implemented Armory's paper backup code, so that you can plug it directly into that app and it will restore the keys. 

There's not very much risk involved, besides time wasted if it doesn't work on your system.  It's used to protect millions of dollars worth of BTC at this point.  I haven't touched Bitcoin-Qt or any other app in 12+ months.  A lot of other people haven't either.  The most important thing is to print or copy-by-hand a paper backup, and very little can go wrong.

EDIT: This message does not override the existing license you agree to when you run Armory.  Although Armory is extremely stable, and has never lost anyone's money, that doesn't mean it's impossible.  It's free software, it's still run at your own risk.  Please base your decision on its reputation in the community (such as being featured on bitcoin.org), and don't sue me if something goes wrong!

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April 09, 2013, 12:48:13 PM
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Where have your screen keyboard posts gone, etotheipi? Anyway here is an idea, how about the kind of trick implemented by banks: produce an encrypted wallet and a list of symbols using a passphrase, print out the list in paper, each time when the user wants to access the wallet, he is prompted to pick a certain series of symbols from the paper, what do you think?

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