New Official AMT Thread

[AMT_miners]

We've already stated the legal implications we run into every time we write anything on this forum. We mentioned that we'd keep it to a technical discussion only to try and resolve the problems with the existing boards. There was an issue as to "if we can provide clients with source files.. bla bla bla" which we've just about taken care of. We've started production of new a1 miners based on our licensed technobit boards with local and foreign manufacturers, and our own boards as well, and production for script miners and other solutions. Everyone will be attended to and everyone will have rectification for these delays which we HAVE taken responsibility for on several occasions.

Guys calm down, stop ranting, we've been moving the office to other side of the city over the last few days as we said before. We know you want instant gratification to this problem but it takes time because of the legal actions that have occurred. Things we can and can't do, etc.

 

[AMT_miners]

How about a mineral oil cooled server case with modular slots. Possible or no?

[rik_khaos]

We've already stated the legal implications we run into every time we write anything on this forum. We mentioned that we'd keep it to a technical discussion only to try and resolve the problems with the existing boards. There was an issue as to "if we can provide clients with source files.. bla bla bla" which we've just about taken care of. We've started production of new a1 miners based on our licensed technobit boards with local and foreign manufacturers, and our own boards as well, and production for script miners and other solutions. Everyone will be attended to and everyone will have rectification for these delays which we HAVE taken responsibility for on several occasions.

Guys calm down, stop ranting, we've been moving the office to other side of the city over the last few days as we said before. We know you want instant gratification to this problem but it takes time because of the legal actions that have occurred. Things we can and can't do, etc.

And if you think the market is too competitive at this point, we'll just have to think of new creative ideas to trump the competitors. Lets get back to technical discussions, it helps believe it or not.

The fact is the existing boards, or at least some of them are fucked, from a technical standpoint. Now we aren't asking you to address how'll you'll compensate or take care of the issue here on the board. We've reached out via calls and e-mails per YOUR request which you said you would respond to. You have failed in that respect.

So I'm asking you here, but you may respond by pm, for those of us with a technical issue (as we have been provided boards, of whose quality I won't mention) that requires board replacement should we speak to you  or to your attorneys?

[AMT_miners]

We've already stated the legal implications we run into every time we write anything on this forum. We mentioned that we'd keep it to a technical discussion only to try and resolve the problems with the existing boards. There was an issue as to "if we can provide clients with source files.. bla bla bla" which we've just about taken care of. We've started production of new a1 miners based on our licensed technobit boards with local and foreign manufacturers, and our own boards as well, and production for script miners and other solutions. Everyone will be attended to and everyone will have rectification for these delays which we HAVE taken responsibility for on several occasions.

Guys calm down, stop ranting, we've been moving the office to other side of the city over the last few days as we said before. We know you want instant gratification to this problem but it takes time because of the legal actions that have occurred. Things we can and can't do, etc.

And if you think the market is too competitive at this point, we'll just have to think of new creative ideas to trump the competitors. Lets get back to technical discussions, it helps believe it or not.

The fact is the existing boards, or at least some of them are fucked, from a technical standpoint. Now we aren't asking you to address how'll you'll compensate or take care of the issue here on the board. We've reached out via calls and e-mails per YOUR request which you said you would respond to. You have failed in that respect.

So I'm asking you here, but you may respond by pm, for those of us with a technical issue (as we have been provided boards, of whose quality I won't mention) that requires board replacement should we speak to you  or to your attorneys?

No, we have not failed in the request. And apart of redoing the site will include specific RMA instructions along with our new location.

[mrpark]

Not counting all the lost bitcoin revenues, it would have to be the equivalent of an SP30 which it 6Th/s for the hardware part of the compensation.  That SP30 is actually only $5,000.  So put another $1,000 check inside too to make up the difference.

[tonyca]

AMT_miners,

I sent you email for 6 months refund options as you suggested previously.

I follow up every week. Please response to my email.

Thank you.
Tony

[mrpark]

How about a mineral oil cooled server case with modular slots. Possible or no?

It's very possible, but we need something to put inside of it first.

[captin crunch]

How about a mineral oil cooled server case with modular slots. Possible or no?

It's very possible, but we need something to put inside of it first.

+1

I couldn't have said it better.

[mrpark]

We've already stated the legal implications we run into every time we write anything on this forum. We mentioned that we'd keep it to a technical discussion only to try and resolve the problems with the existing boards. There was an issue as to "if we can provide clients with source files.. bla bla bla" which we've just about taken care of. We've started production of new a1 miners based on our licensed technobit boards with local and foreign manufacturers, and our own boards as well, and production for script miners and other solutions. Everyone will be attended to and everyone will have rectification for these delays which we HAVE taken responsibility for on several occasions.

Guys calm down, stop ranting, we've been moving the office to other side of the city over the last few days as we said before. We know you want instant gratification to this problem but it takes time because of the legal actions that have occurred. Things we can and can't do, etc.

And if you think the market is too competitive at this point, we'll just have to think of new creative ideas to trump the competitors. Lets get back to technical discussions, it helps believe it or not.

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We all realize that talking about technical support on these inherently flawed miners is a waste of time. It's a bad design, you don't keep building a house if it is built on a bad foundation. At some point you just need to move out of that house, and go buy another. That time has already come for most of us, moving on to put our efforts and our employees efforts on other companies like Spondoolies or A2 Miners.  I am up to 13 hosted Spondoolies now Smiley There are many of us on this forum who bought AMT that have incredible resources that could have helped you in building a successful company. It seems almost from Day 1 you started talking bad about your clients, you told everyone on the public forum that a client talked bad about you and that is why you only had only a very few orders. That was when the unprofessionalism all started, it started with YOU, take responsibility for driving your own business into the ground.

Now, I would talk about technical support, but I have nothing but this flawed piece of hardware. If I had something with a correct and functional design, I would be able to talk about technical issues.

[mrpark]

How about a mineral oil cooled server case with modular slots. Possible or no?

It's very possible, but we need something to put inside of it first.

+1

I couldn't have said it better.

Seems they couldn't delete that post because I quoted them. hmmm....

[NotFuzzyWarm]

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 There was an issue as to "if we can provide clients with source files.. bla bla bla" which we've just about taken care of.
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Still not sure how to respond to that.
If it pertains to those few of us here with considerable professional technical expertise in our areas trying to help you salvage your 'hundreds' of AMT/Bitmine boards produced so far, for Gratis no less, then you've just lost at least one. Just for your reference when it comes to finding someone qualified to do what you need I am billed at >$200/hr when on the clock and our customers are very happy with that. Knowing that continuing any further entails detailed info on the systems it was obvious the Powers That Be who own rights to that IP would require an NDA so I brought it up along with other things pertaining to keeping things as AMT eyes-only if need be.

All just to maybe shine a little light into that dark hole you've dug and let you get *something* out there as a start. Given the serious need for outside help there is no reason your side needs over a week to come up with a NDA to present to us. Not even any PM's regarding it like, "We're looking into it with <insert name>".

Are you really as bad as this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg It's Marketing vs Engineer. At one time I got the point but still thought ' It can't be THAT bad...'. Not so sure now.

On liquid cooling, very doable but Frictionless nailed it perfectly. If 'your people' or Bitmine are involved in it - fuggitabuttit.
I will give you one last free tech tip though: research materials compatibility thoroughly.
-Cheers!

[TheRealSteve]

where [...] deleted posts safely reside.

Wouldn't the .lk site have them anyway?  They have every deleted post (clean-up) from my stickminers thread , can't imagine it being much different for this one.  Formatting tends to be lost, though.

[opieum2]

How about a mineral oil cooled server case with modular slots. Possible or no?

Better than the lava you're using now. Me thinketh him grasping at straws, now. The only thing left is more promises... cross my Bulgarian heart, hope to die, stick a finger in my eye.

It's obvious that Joshua is taking things very personal by deleting posts, regardless of the legal implications or how it will look in the future.

That said, we should all move this to a user moderated thread.

Control needs to be taken away from Joshua in relations to this thread. They aren't offering anything tangible here, so what's the point of letting them micro manage all the posts?

Doesn't matter. the site is already mirrored at http://bitcointa.lk. Even deleted here they get saved.....I really had hoped AMT would turn the corner but the consistent lack of communication ESPECIALLY when we were trying to help them is insulting. If they are going to blow the competition out of the water they will need to prove it by action. We have heard alot of this talk before. Talk is cheap at this point.

This is what happens when you snub your community....I really do get the problems you guys (AMT) are dealing with....BUT you compound them by snubbing the people who are trying to help. I made it clear that there were various options to contact me in the email I sent you back this morning. Hell you have my cell number I am easy to reach....we all gave our contact info when we ordered. I was willing to help on alot of levels and did for a while. But those of us who were working on the technical stuff were getting nowhere without the info we needed to figure this all out. And we were working for free. Each of us in own right charge high for fortune 500s to do what we do. You were getting that experience free and essentially dismissed it. That is one of many issues here. The LEAST you can do is communicate with us regularly so we can help resolve some these issues for all of our mutual benefit.

If your legal counsel advised you not to work with us, then OK that would have been good to know too. Some of us can be understanding about that sort of thing. How can we be blamed when you drop the ball on communication.....noone likes to be ignored. And on top of all the other things......I think  you get the gist of things. You need to be able to see it from our point of view to understand the anger and resentment here. Most of us feel we are being cheated out. We have no information or expectation on what is going on. If the legal eagles can put their heads together and maybe allow you to put some kind of formal announcement together that would be a good start to climbing out of this hole. But for once make good on your word at least with the court backing whatever settlement happens, it will not be an option. 

[opieum2]

I just got the following deleted by AMT:

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And if you think the market is too competitive at this point, we'll just have to think of new creative ideas to trump the competitors.

You've done an excellent job of taking pre-order money and delivering nothing. I suggest you continue in the same business. Offer some Scrypt miners for sale, rake in a ton of sales, and then fail to deliver them.

What are they even thinking?  'trump the competitors'?  

Customers expect one of two things at the minimum:

(1) $6,000 refund
(2) 6 TH/s of working hardware

In other words, AMT does not intend to provide either a $6,000 refund or 6 TH/s worth of working hardware.

So if it is not 6 TH/s,  then is 3 TH/s what AMT intends?

Don't tell me that they think folks will settle with 1.2 TH/s?

I ran a calculation with a spreadsheet I was given by a very generous forum member who wants to help (I am going to ask his permission to redistribute). It covers our exact losses for the miners since the time we were expected to get them. If you placed an order...count 3 weeks from that time (as that is what they originally stated) or to be on the written side of things 6 weeks. I actually saw a -%24 ROI on my hardware over the last 2.5 months.....IF it were running. I would have actually broken even at the end the year. This is based on difficulty going up and projected bitcoin average. But in this case I based it on the current and historical prices. If I get permission I will respost it for others to use as its not my work to repost.

[FrictionlessCoin]

Not counting all the lost bitcoin revenues, it would have to be the equivalent of an SP30 which it 6Th/s for the hardware part of the compensation.  That SP30 is actually only $5,000.  So put another $1,000 check inside too to make up the difference.

+1

[opieum2]

How about a mineral oil cooled server case with modular slots. Possible or no?

These will only and ONLY work with a viable design. Considering the experience we have already with the existing cooling (meaning dead spots and fried cards), what can we expect with this hardware that would make it better than previous implementations? There are alot of pieces to that.

This will take a considerable amount of proper engineering effort that has not been shown before....what has changed that would make a mineral cooled system viable here? Or even workable? You want to blow the competition out of the water, you need to start by rebuilding your reputation with those who you have wronged. SHOW us you mean all these words....THEN show off the product.....EVEN if the court surprisingly rules in your favor, the court of public opinion will ensure you don't get that chance to make anything else until you make things right. I am not a religious person but Karma applies here in a big way.

Hell if you can pull something off a prototype that works with mineral cooling I will take back all the things I said, I am man enough to admit when I am wrong. But so far with everything happening it's hard to think I am. Its just more words. If you have a prototype show us. Why ask us if mineral cooling is an option? Everyone knows its a viable path. Noone has implemented it yet in miners. Show us something workable. I don't want to wait a year for it. I wanted to be hashing 3 months ago. We all did. And still just want working hardware. 

[opieum2]

Ok I got permission from the owner of the spreadsheet. Und3rd0g gets credit altho he also derived this from bitmain's version. Pretty impressive IMO.
 
https://mega.co.nz/#!ZZwEXbIR!C8VXHlSKJOWjHzZ3rEO8MQsWThkAwMsuw_XrOrCoIfQ

For accurate historical data go to
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg180ztgMzm1g10zm2g25zv

Load raw data:

And copy the Closing Price into Exchange Rate column to get the accurate picture.

The spreadsheet will sum up that column correctly

Useful for a variety of reasons. Calculating ROI for starters but for tax purposes as well for the US crowd.

[Und3rd0g]

Ok I got permission from the owner of the spreadsheet. Und3rd0g gets credit altho he also derived this from bitmain's version. Pretty impressive IMO.
 

+1 - Glad to help where I can.  I hope folks find this useful.  As noted, the original was put together by BITMAIN and significantly enhanced over time.  If anyone has questions as to how to operate/update, feel free to PM me. 

[asprin]

So still nothing from AMT?  They even offered to send me the "kit" but then never responded.

[asprin]

I might be interested in getting the chips, but I want more than just 50.  AMT sells 50 chips for $4,300 and 75 for $6,450. (http://advancedminers.com/bitcoin-mining-hardware/coin-craft-a1-chip/)
Why would I take such a big hit?  I paid a little over $6,000 for the miner.

Give me 96 chips, the extras for such a long delay, so I can have Technobit assemble them for me with their boards.  This will be roughly an extra $3,600 cost for me, not to mention all the accessories included.  I think that is a very fair deal given the circumstances.



If I really could have a fully assembled, tested and working 1.2Th miner within 7 days though I would probably just choose that option.

We can just send you technobit boards anyway since we're producing them now anyway. What's your order number.

AMT I tried to reach out to you about this.  Is this still a deal?