New Official AMT Thread

[FrictionlessCoin]

I may have said the 10th, but according to others it's mid-month or the 16th. But even so, why is AMT waiting, why not just call the lawyer and spill the beans on what they are going to do for us now? I live in North NJ, about an hour and 15 from IMET. I am sure IMET is not just going to give me some free parts.

Call IMET and ask to buy some boards for cost. IMET might love to get some money out of this disaster.

That actually might not be a terrible idea if we know the stuff works. The problem is its more money to piss away.....ROI and all that as has been stated. But not a terrible idea. Last resort situation....

As I understand it,  cost for IMET are just the components minus the A1 asic chips.  If that is the case and assuming they work as IMET has claimed, then it is certainly a deal.   

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[opieum2]

Why delete my post and leave his?

Because he is a client that tries to help resolve the issue and further the business if possible, he understands the situation and while taking an unbiased standpoint even he looks at the facts.

The problem is that most of your clients are not privy to the facts so sadly we can not judge the situation on them. Instead if anyone posts an opinion contrary to your personal bias they comment is deleted, or at least the perception for my point of view. Perhaps that is not how you mean to come across.

I'd love to help you, had even offered via e-mail to help on the customer service end as I was a retail manager for two years, in which I helped turn around a failing store. There was no response.

All I want if for this all to be over and if I had a magic wand to fix all the issues I'd lend it to you.

They even deleted a post of me saying we should not be biased or bigoted. I'll gladly share my deleted posts with anyone who wishes as this thread is being manicured to present a false narrative surrounding the entire reality of the situation.

If you'd care to send an NDA we'd be glad to hear what's really going on. Its all that most of us wanted to hear in the first place.

We'd like to put it out in the open, and it will in due time. We are not con-men, or a scam. Even our manufacturer's CEO (who must have some damn free time to spend) has gotten on this forum to try and prevent the inevitable. It was just an instance where several things happened in the wrong way in a continuous order. There is no one to blame other than ourselves and our choices which we have made until this point. We remove comments based on the content in those comments. Like employee names or customer opinions that may seem like spam, or opinions of those that have just tried to bring us down from day one like phineaus or sirminesalot (who most likely does not mine alot btw) for example.

All in all, if our clientele were smart, they'd try and help us succeed so we could generate new income, deliver promptly and take actions necessary to keep them at a level which is equal to or above satisfaction. Every comment with a negative context about AMT results in the possible lack of sale, or the inevitable closure of business due to mistakes made on both sides, on ours and our clients side as well. We have never been politically correct from a corporate standpoint, but it was also that aspect which attracted some of our clients to begin with. "who cares if they are assholes, they get the job done and I got my miner and it mines" which was said about us after delivering the bitfury miners when we started.

Yes we may have disorganized management. And we may have trusted the wrong people, or manufacturers or even consultants which led us down this path today. But it was our fault to do so.  And all in all, there isn't much we can do it about it now, so when your backed up in a corner by everyone around you, one either fight them off one by one until your out of the corner, or you collapse and take the beating and wallow in it for years to come. Which do you think we're going to do based on what you know about us.

And even when its out in the open, and everyone's knows exactly what happened which to an extent has been posted on this forum already we believe, by an eve's dropper of sorts in our office, those which were greedy from the start would never be satisfied anyway. So either we work to build our business to rectify all of our clients, or we give up and go bankrupt and then you'll all fee the same way hashfast's clients feel now. Or we'll be put in prison for fraud even though its clear that we partnered with a swiss company, who made a chip, who was late, and we hired subcontracted manufacturer who has admitted faults in their production and when we still sought alternative options for clients and were silenced by plaintiff's counsel for fear of loosing everything all together when trying to provide those options to customers. How is that going to impact plaintiff's counsel? And now, we can either deliver your original orders, or settle, or fight or give up.

There have been other characters (very few) in this industry that have been through the exact same thing even and even after it was done and finished and there were no legal obligations of repayment, they still made sure people were paid back or at least satisfied to some extent. Anyone remember Basic?

But its hard to do that when your name is ruined on google, and its even harder when some of your clients have nothing better to do then sit on a forum waiting for an outcome which can only result in their further dissatisfaction. Like the people that go to a casino to loose, just to feel the rush. And when a hillbilly extortionist from Illinois still on a day to day basis makes sure things are optimized so carefully because hes being paid by a competitor.  

Think about it logically and put yourselves in our position and ask yourselves what you do. After you've already lost the race, would you give up and choose to not stay in an skeptical market which sells a machine that produces an electronic algorythm which doesn't exist and has no value other than that of which its given by the community around it. Think about it, and then ask us again why we need to delete posts and what our intentions are going forward.

Hilarious.

"They are assholes but they get the job done?" You are fucking retarded.

AMT hasn't delivered on jack shit. There were 2 buyers of the bitfury based miners that said they both regretted buying the miners (they were overpriced and soon to be vaporware with low hash rates). They also said they were plagued with issues, like overheating and blowing the PSUs on them. The other bitfury miner went to a board member FOR FREE as payment for spreading good words around about AMT. Since then, that user has objected to AMT and how they conduct business.

As for the 1.2TH's? Not one person has a working version yet. You are here crying about how you are trying to rectify the problem: I HAVE THE SOLUTION. REFUNDS. START REFUNDING CUSTOMERS or SHUT THE FUCK UP. The fact that you haven't returned a single person's money, isn't only illegal: but shows AMT's true motives.

The reality is that you guys don't get SHIT done. You took everyone's money, never delivered, and now you come on here and post how you're clientele are idiots because they don't want to see you become profitable again and succeed? Now you are crying about how Bruno ruined your good name in google??? You want to cry on these forums now to the people you have FUCKED over out of several thousand dollars? Everyone here wants to see you IN PRISON: JOSHUA ZIPKIN. No one believes how you are the victim in all of this. Everyone that bought with AMT has been victimized.

Firstly I gotta start with you....who do you work for? because you are overly motivated to get AMT off the board for someone who is not even a customer...you have 0 skin in this game (as a customer) and your suggestions only hurt the rest of us even more....we lose the money, the miners, and everything at this point....sending them to jail will not benefit us at all. In fact we lose even worse. With all the middle men involved in an asset seizure we would have little or nothing to claim......as much as that prospect sounds great its an emotional reaction from people with skin in the game OR someone who is motivated in some other manner to take him out...and I also noticed another pattern...you seem selective in who you target. You and a couple of others dont go after some obvious scams BUT are quick to go after the legitimate businesses....I have been watching the patterns of behaviour based on your posts...its a very targeted way of doing things...so who? BFL? Cointerra? There are plenty with the motive to take out competitors in this way.

There are corporate hunters, I get that...but there are a select few with so much motivation that it makes me question if they really just altrustic despite the facts in front of them...AMT produced a product (shitty as it was it was made) and still you level scam at them. That only happens when someone wants those google SEO results to reflect a certain result.

It is in mine (and all of us who lost out) best interest to have them continue business....A: compensation B: Support for the product....so tossing them in jail right now is not going to solve shit.

I don't believe for one second he is a victim in all this. Won't go out of my way to defend him. BUT you have no obvious motivation in here to comment other than to insult and berate and make this situation worse for everyone. I remember your referencing biomech....He never said the system sucked in fact it was a good review.....for the refunds....oh I agree illegal as shit...but again...WHY are you here? The only conclusion I can come up with is you are a paid shill by a company with a motive to take out competitors. I see your posts are pretty consistent like that with various smaller operations as well.

AMT is actually working on solutions they have posted some evidence to that effect. The court will be enforcing whatever settlement comes out which is what matters to all of us with an actual financial stake here......your motivation for him to go to jail is a puzzle tho. You seem to be instigating people into a virtual mob mentality which has worked. I have had to think about some of the people who post here.  What motives do they have even being here posting? I know mine...to get working miners, and compensated for this mess....I am activly working to make that happen. I have contingencies in place as well.....I am sure others with a stake in this ALSO have similar ideas as well.

So again in case you dont answer the question WHY ARE YOU HERE?

I've stated before, and I will again - AMT took 2 orders from my friend, about $15,000 worth of hardware - and delivered him BRICKS.

We'll see if they make things right, but as of right now nothing has been done to rectify this situation. AMT is deleting posts from MPARK, and last I checked he was a customer as well.

I'm not some paid slanderer for another company. I know someone who has been burned by AMT, like most of you. No one other than AMT has put themselves in this situation, and now they have to deal with it. I'd like to see him thrown in jail because he's conducted wire fraud, and broken the law by flat out denying refunds. Josh has added insult to injury with blaming customers for HIS shitty business dealings.

Joshua Zipkin is a conman. If he had shown a shred of transparency when these issues first came up, maybe people wouldn't have RUN to lawyers to sue him. Now he's blaming customers for taking action against AMT, when back then we didn't get updates for weeks. WHAT DID HE EXPECT, we'd sit on our hands for another 3 months and hope for the best?

So yes, I hope his company is liquidated, customers refunded, and Joshua to face criminal charges. Just because they PLAN to fix this mess, doesn't mean they shouldn't be accountable for the many ways they have broken the law.

Ok so your friend is in capable of speaking up for himself?

Nice diversion by mentioning mrparks deleted posts, still has nothing to do with you. And most of us don't know someone who was burned by AMT we actually were burned by them....huge distinction. You still are overly motivated for someone with no direct financial interest in this.

And you repeat the same drumroll that happens to be very googleable. Yes we know this. We are addressing it via court....there are all sorts of things happening right now......your "friend" can post for himself unless of course he lacks hands or is a vegetable (there are even voice typing options for quadraplegics if he/she happens to be one so short of being in a coma he/she can come here and participate themselves). Like I said you are way to motivated for it. There are people I would take a bullet for, but I would not go so far as to start posting on their behalf in a forum when they can do it themselves.

On the other stuff that will unfold as it needs to. I find it interesting how you backtracked a bit to add some compassion for our situation, where before it was just about sending him to jail regardless. They already are being held accountable for this mess...and with class actions there are typically provisions that make it so they legally cannot pull this shit again. This is pretty standard..This is why most any company that fucks up does not repeat those mistakes again. its now a legally enforced requirement on conditions of the settlement.

I already am clear about my motivations here. I want us all to walk away from this whole (and obviously myself mainly). See I get the motivations of other people here....clenell for instance I have NO question of his motivation regardless of how much he dislikes me I respect his position, he wanted his miners when they said they would deliver...and he took action to make sure not just him but the rest of us are righted in all this. Frictionless also and ALL the people complaining that have an order regardless of delivered/not delivered have a reason to complain. Their motivations are not in question. Yours and a few others who come on here regularly though I have to question. You are overly motivated to tear him down, but have no actual ground for yourself to stand on...no actual claim. At least not an obvious one. Which is why it seems suspect and makes me think you might actually be financially motivated by someone else. BFL or Cointerra are obvious targets because they are american direct competitors and have the most to gain by making sure AMT does not ever function again......Hashfast is already out the door as it is. BFL has the history of the criminally shady behavior AND they have now known shadow accounts on this forum to do their dirty work.

The haters should ALSO be questioned in their motives for coming down at a company. I am starting to see the patterns of these people. Not all the corp hunters are shills but I am sure a few are. And is becoming increasingly obvious who they are.

[AMT_miners]

I may have said the 10th, but according to others it's mid-month or the 16th. But even so, why is AMT waiting, why not just call the lawyer and spill the beans on what they are going to do for us now? I live in North NJ, about an hour and 15 from IMET. I am sure IMET is not just going to give me some free parts.

Call IMET and ask to buy some boards for cost. IMET might love to get some money out of this disaster.

Wouldn't recommend that, but its your call.

[AMT_miners]

I may have said the 10th, but according to others it's mid-month or the 16th. But even so, why is AMT waiting, why not just call the lawyer and spill the beans on what they are going to do for us now? I live in North NJ, about an hour and 15 from IMET. I am sure IMET is not just going to give me some free parts.

Call IMET and ask to buy some boards for cost. IMET might love to get some money out of this disaster.

That actually might not be a terrible idea if we know the stuff works. The problem is its more money to piss away.....ROI and all that as has been stated. But not a terrible idea. Last resort situation....

As I understand it,  cost for IMET are just the components minus the A1 asic chips.  If that is the case and assuming they work as IMET has claimed, then it is certainly a deal.   

Go with that Carlos, hopefully it gets you somewhere. Wish you all the best of luck bud.

[sirminesalot]

I may have said the 10th, but according to others it's mid-month or the 16th. But even so, why is AMT waiting, why not just call the lawyer and spill the beans on what they are going to do for us now? I live in North NJ, about an hour and 15 from IMET. I am sure IMET is not just going to give me some free parts.

Call IMET and ask to buy some boards for cost. IMET might love to get some money out of this disaster.

That actually might not be a terrible idea if we know the stuff works. The problem is its more money to piss away.....ROI and all that as has been stated. But not a terrible idea. Last resort situation....

As I understand it,  cost for IMET are just the components minus the A1 asic chips.  If that is the case and assuming they work as IMET has claimed, then it is certainly a deal.   

Go with that Carlos, hopefully it gets you somewhere. Wish you all the best of luck bud.

Unless you are going to share what was discussed with Josh on the phone, you are of no help. I'm sorry that you are so dense to see that since the beginning, Josh has been cherry picking people to talk to about his "plans to turn things around", instead of addressing all of the investors at once. Anyone who spent a dime with AMT, negative or not - deserves to be informed on what the plan to fix this shitstorm. I'm happy for you that Josh made you an AMT believer with his phone call to you, but most of us others left out in the dark aren't convinced.

Joshua plays favorites with users on this board, anyone that has something positive to say about AMT gets an update. Very similar to his "Anti-troll discount offer" at the beginning, real companies DO NOT conduct business this way.

Here's a question, maybe you can enlighten us. Josh GAVE away a free miner to Bruno for making the trip down to AMT HQ. Do you find that to be reasonable? Who paid for that miner??? What funds were used to build that miner??? Do you think it's OK for AMT to be giving away product for free, to get a positive review out of it?

I was ripping into AMT's bullshit business practices long before you showed up, and will continue to do so. The fact that Joshua Zipkin has become synonymous with FRAUD @ Google, makes it all the more sweeter. He will have a hard time trying to con potential investors in the future.


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[AMT_miners]

Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.

[sirminesalot]

Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.

Amazed you guys think this fat retard is going to solve any of this shit.

I say let the courts decide who's at fault here. My bet is Joshy boy will be crying in a jail cell soon enough.

[sabre]

Why delete my post and leave his?

Because he is a client that tries to help resolve the issue and further the business if possible, he understands the situation and while taking an unbiased standpoint even he looks at the facts.

The problem is that most of your clients are not privy to the facts so sadly we can not judge the situation on them. Instead if anyone posts an opinion contrary to your personal bias they comment is deleted, or at least the perception for my point of view. Perhaps that is not how you mean to come across.

I'd love to help you, had even offered via e-mail to help on the customer service end as I was a retail manager for two years, in which I helped turn around a failing store. There was no response.

All I want if for this all to be over and if I had a magic wand to fix all the issues I'd lend it to you.

They even deleted a post of me saying we should not be biased or bigoted. I'll gladly share my deleted posts with anyone who wishes as this thread is being manicured to present a false narrative surrounding the entire reality of the situation.

If you'd care to send an NDA we'd be glad to hear what's really going on. Its all that most of us wanted to hear in the first place.

We'd like to put it out in the open, and it will in due time. We are not con-men, or a scam. Even our manufacturer's CEO (who must have some damn free time to spend) has gotten on this forum to try and prevent the inevitable. It was just an instance where several things happened in the wrong way in a continuous order. There is no one to blame other than ourselves and our choices which we have made until this point. We remove comments based on the content in those comments. Like employee names or customer opinions that may seem like spam, or opinions of those that have just tried to bring us down from day one like phineaus or sirminesalot (who most likely does not mine alot btw) for example.

All in all, if our clientele were smart, they'd try and help us succeed so we could generate new income, deliver promptly and take actions necessary to keep them at a level which is equal to or above satisfaction. Every comment with a negative context about AMT results in the possible lack of sale, or the inevitable closure of business due to mistakes made on both sides, on ours and our clients side as well. We have never been politically correct from a corporate standpoint, but it was also that aspect which attracted some of our clients to begin with. "who cares if they are assholes, they get the job done and I got my miner and it mines" which was said about us after delivering the bitfury miners when we started.

Yes we may have disorganized management. And we may have trusted the wrong people, or manufacturers or even consultants which led us down this path today. But it was our fault to do so.  And all in all, there isn't much we can do it about it now, so when your backed up in a corner by everyone around you, one either fight them off one by one until your out of the corner, or you collapse and take the beating and wallow in it for years to come. Which do you think we're going to do based on what you know about us.

And even when its out in the open, and everyone's knows exactly what happened which to an extent has been posted on this forum already we believe, by an eve's dropper of sorts in our office, those which were greedy from the start would never be satisfied anyway. So either we work to build our business to rectify all of our clients, or we give up and go bankrupt and then you'll all fee the same way hashfast's clients feel now. Or we'll be put in prison for fraud even though its clear that we partnered with a swiss company, who made a chip, who was late, and we hired subcontracted manufacturer who has admitted faults in their production and when we still sought alternative options for clients and were silenced by plaintiff's counsel for fear of loosing everything all together when trying to provide those options to customers. How is that going to impact plaintiff's counsel? And now, we can either deliver your original orders, or settle, or fight or give up.

There have been other characters (very few) in this industry that have been through the exact same thing even and even after it was done and finished and there were no legal obligations of repayment, they still made sure people were paid back or at least satisfied to some extent. Anyone remember Basic?

But its hard to do that when your name is ruined on google, and its even harder when some of your clients have nothing better to do then sit on a forum waiting for an outcome which can only result in their further dissatisfaction. Like the people that go to a casino to loose, just to feel the rush. And when a hillbilly extortionist from Illinois still on a day to day basis makes sure things are optimized so carefully because hes being paid by a competitor.  

Think about it logically and put yourselves in our position and ask yourselves what you do. After you've already lost the race, would you give up and choose to not stay in an skeptical market which sells a machine that produces an electronic algorythm which doesn't exist and has no value other than that of which its given by the community around it. Think about it, and then ask us again why we need to delete posts and what our intentions are going forward.

Hilarious.

"They are assholes but they get the job done?" You are fucking retarded.

AMT hasn't delivered on jack shit. There were 2 buyers of the bitfury based miners that said they both regretted buying the miners (they were overpriced and soon to be vaporware with low hash rates). They also said they were plagued with issues, like overheating and blowing the PSUs on them. The other bitfury miner went to a board member FOR FREE as payment for spreading good words around about AMT. Since then, that user has objected to AMT and how they conduct business.

As for the 1.2TH's? Not one person has a working version yet. You are here crying about how you are trying to rectify the problem: I HAVE THE SOLUTION. REFUNDS. START REFUNDING CUSTOMERS or SHUT THE FUCK UP. The fact that you haven't returned a single person's money, isn't only illegal: but shows AMT's true motives.

The reality is that you guys don't get SHIT done. You took everyone's money, never delivered, and now you come on here and post how you're clientele are idiots because they don't want to see you become profitable again and succeed? Now you are crying about how Bruno ruined your good name in google??? You want to cry on these forums now to the people you have FUCKED over out of several thousand dollars? Everyone here wants to see you IN PRISON: JOSHUA ZIPKIN. No one believes how you are the victim in all of this. Everyone that bought with AMT has been victimized.

Firstly I gotta start with you....who do you work for? because you are overly motivated to get AMT off the board for someone who is not even a customer...you have 0 skin in this game (as a customer) and your suggestions only hurt the rest of us even more....we lose the money, the miners, and everything at this point....sending them to jail will not benefit us at all. In fact we lose even worse. With all the middle men involved in an asset seizure we would have little or nothing to claim......as much as that prospect sounds great its an emotional reaction from people with skin in the game OR someone who is motivated in some other manner to take him out...and I also noticed another pattern...you seem selective in who you target. You and a couple of others dont go after some obvious scams BUT are quick to go after the legitimate businesses....I have been watching the patterns of behaviour based on your posts...its a very targeted way of doing things...so who? BFL? Cointerra? There are plenty with the motive to take out competitors in this way.

There are corporate hunters, I get that...but there are a select few with so much motivation that it makes me question if they really just altrustic despite the facts in front of them...AMT produced a product (shitty as it was it was made) and still you level scam at them. That only happens when someone wants those google SEO results to reflect a certain result.

It is in mine (and all of us who lost out) best interest to have them continue business....A: compensation B: Support for the product....so tossing them in jail right now is not going to solve shit.

I don't believe for one second he is a victim in all this. Won't go out of my way to defend him. BUT you have no obvious motivation in here to comment other than to insult and berate and make this situation worse for everyone. I remember your referencing biomech....He never said the system sucked in fact it was a good review.....for the refunds....oh I agree illegal as shit...but again...WHY are you here? The only conclusion I can come up with is you are a paid shill by a company with a motive to take out competitors. I see your posts are pretty consistent like that with various smaller operations as well.

AMT is actually working on solutions they have posted some evidence to that effect. The court will be enforcing whatever settlement comes out which is what matters to all of us with an actual financial stake here......your motivation for him to go to jail is a puzzle tho. You seem to be instigating people into a virtual mob mentality which has worked. I have had to think about some of the people who post here.  What motives do they have even being here posting? I know mine...to get working miners, and compensated for this mess....I am activly working to make that happen. I have contingencies in place as well.....I am sure others with a stake in this ALSO have similar ideas as well.

So again in case you dont answer the question WHY ARE YOU HERE?

I've stated before, and I will again - AMT took 2 orders from my friend, about $15,000 worth of hardware - and delivered him BRICKS.

We'll see if they make things right, but as of right now nothing has been done to rectify this situation. AMT is deleting posts from MPARK, and last I checked he was a customer as well.

I'm not some paid slanderer for another company. I know someone who has been burned by AMT, like most of you. No one other than AMT has put themselves in this situation, and now they have to deal with it. I'd like to see him thrown in jail because he's conducted wire fraud, and broken the law by flat out denying refunds. Josh has added insult to injury with blaming customers for HIS shitty business dealings.

Joshua Zipkin is a conman. If he had shown a shred of transparency when these issues first came up, maybe people wouldn't have RUN to lawyers to sue him. Now he's blaming customers for taking action against AMT, when back then we didn't get updates for weeks. WHAT DID HE EXPECT, we'd sit on our hands for another 3 months and hope for the best?

So yes, I hope his company is liquidated, customers refunded, and Joshua to face criminal charges. Just because they PLAN to fix this mess, doesn't mean they shouldn't be accountable for the many ways they have broken the law.

Ok so your friend is in capable of speaking up for himself?

Nice diversion by mentioning mrparks deleted posts, still has nothing to do with you. And most of us don't know someone who was burned by AMT we actually were burned by them....huge distinction. You still are overly motivated for someone with no direct financial interest in this.

And you repeat the same drumroll that happens to be very googleable. Yes we know this. We are addressing it via court....there are all sorts of things happening right now......your "friend" can post for himself unless of course he lacks hands or is a vegetable (there are even voice typing options for quadraplegics if he/she happens to be one so short of being in a coma he/she can come here and participate themselves). Like I said you are way to motivated for it. There are people I would take a bullet for, but I would not go so far as to start posting on their behalf in a forum when they can do it themselves.

On the other stuff that will unfold as it needs to. I find it interesting how you backtracked a bit to add some compassion for our situation, where before it was just about sending him to jail regardless. They already are being held accountable for this mess...and with class actions there are typically provisions that make it so they legally cannot pull this shit again. This is pretty standard..This is why most any company that fucks up does not repeat those mistakes again. its now a legally enforced requirement on conditions of the settlement.

I already am clear about my motivations here. I want us all to walk away from this whole (and obviously myself mainly). See I get the motivations of other people here....clenell for instance I have NO question of his motivation regardless of how much he dislikes me I respect his position, he wanted his miners when they said they would deliver...and he took action to make sure not just him but the rest of us are righted in all this. Frictionless also and ALL the people complaining that have an order regardless of delivered/not delivered have a reason to complain. Their motivations are not in question. Yours and a few others who come on here regularly though I have to question. You are overly motivated to tear him down, but have no actual ground for yourself to stand on...no actual claim. At least not an obvious one. Which is why it seems suspect and makes me think you might actually be financially motivated by someone else. BFL or Cointerra are obvious targets because they are american direct competitors and have the most to gain by making sure AMT does not ever function again......Hashfast is already out the door as it is. BFL has the history of the criminally shady behavior AND they have now known shadow accounts on this forum to do their dirty work.

The haters should ALSO be questioned in their motives for coming down at a company. I am starting to see the patterns of these people. Not all the corp hunters are shills but I am sure a few are. And is becoming increasingly obvious who they are.

Opium, if you want AMT to succeed, then can you explain why they fail on the simplest task on at least emailing their customer base to let them know about progress? AMT is failing again and again on this task. And this is going to cause more and more lawsuits. My lawyer has contacted them and of course we get no response. We have given them options to which they have not even responded. Guess what, we gave them a respectful deadline. After that they are going to get hit with another lawsuit. All because they cant communicate to their customers.

AMT, you posted a large message saying what we would do if we were in your place, I will say again that you should at least email your customer base informing them of progress or something. You keep saying you cant post in this public forum, so don't ! You can call or email your customer base. A company that truly wanted to change for the better would take actions to do so.

[mrpark]

I don't see how buying IMET boards would make any sense, the cards are very big, the power requirements are high. If they were more efficient boards I would surely be chasing IMET down for a bargain. Money is no problem for me to get (or use), but the deal have a good potential to get back the initial investment quickly and safely.  I don't see the value, so as they say on shark tank, I'm out.

[AMT_miners]

I don't see how buying IMET boards would make any sense, the cards are very big, the power requirements are high. If they were more efficient boards I would surely be chasing IMET down for a bargain. Money is no problem for me to get (or use), but the deal have a good potential to get back the initial investment quickly and safely.  I don't see the value, so as they say on shark tank, I'm out.

Also at IMET's production rate, or adjusted rate, and then re-adjust, and then rework cost, and the re-re-re-work cost, its not profitable. Lets just say almost a quarter of million went to IMET and we got through a third of the production before we walked way.

Also just an FYI to everyone interested, the amount in question is 40k to 65K, (25k which was mysteriously added on the day that we decided to part way with IMET btw). Also, if they simply returned our supplies, components, caps, etc, which they have remaining, it would more than fulfill the suggested remaining funds at question. Just the NXP and Linear parts alone equal to 30K+ some.

The real question is how does the CEO of this very successful SMD company have time to write on a public forum and what are his intentions going forward.

[FrictionlessCoin]

I may have said the 10th, but according to others it's mid-month or the 16th. But even so, why is AMT waiting, why not just call the lawyer and spill the beans on what they are going to do for us now? I live in North NJ, about an hour and 15 from IMET. I am sure IMET is not just going to give me some free parts.

Call IMET and ask to buy some boards for cost. IMET might love to get some money out of this disaster.

That actually might not be a terrible idea if we know the stuff works. The problem is its more money to piss away.....ROI and all that as has been stated. But not a terrible idea. Last resort situation....

As I understand it,  cost for IMET are just the components minus the A1 asic chips.  If that is the case and assuming they work as IMET has claimed, then it is certainly a deal.   

Go with that Carlos, hopefully it gets you somewhere. Wish you all the best of luck bud.

Sad state of affairs when AMT is taunting its clients.

Look dude, we are trying to make the best deal out of the horrid hand you dealt us.

I'm just hoping that the manufacturer you screwed would be more than willing to get the junk you sent us working.

Remember that junk you sent me?  Yes,  the stuff that did not include a back plane?

[FrictionlessCoin]

I don't see how buying IMET boards would make any sense, the cards are very big, the power requirements are high. If they were more efficient boards I would surely be chasing IMET down for a bargain. Money is no problem for me to get (or use), but the deal have a good potential to get back the initial investment quickly and safely.  I don't see the value, so as they say on shark tank, I'm out.

Also at IMET's production rate, or adjusted rate, and then re-adjust, and then rework cost, and the re-re-re-work cost, its not profitable. Lets just say almost a quarter of million went to IMET and we got through a third of the production before we walked way.

Also just an FYI to everyone interested, the amount in question is 40k to 65K, (25k which was mysteriously added on the day that we decided to part way with IMET btw). Also, if they simply returned our supplies, components, caps, etc, which they have remaining, it would more than fulfill the suggested remaining funds at question. Just the NXP and Linear parts alone equal to 30K+ some.

The real question is how does the CEO of this very successful SMD company have time to write on a public forum and what are his intentions going forward.

Wow!  There indeed is a big business opportunity here!

As I understand, IMET purchased the parts (includes capacitors, resistor, voltage regulators, etc) that AMT has yet to pay for.   They are at a loss here.

So, with 900 boards ordered, there at least 600 boards sitting in IMET's warehouse.   How much of that are A1 asic chips?  Let's say that 1/2 of the remaining are A1, then IMET is sitting on 12,000 A1 chips!

Well the CEO of a SMD company goes on a public forum when you are defaming his company in public.

[AMT_miners]

I may have said the 10th, but according to others it's mid-month or the 16th. But even so, why is AMT waiting, why not just call the lawyer and spill the beans on what they are going to do for us now? I live in North NJ, about an hour and 15 from IMET. I am sure IMET is not just going to give me some free parts.

Call IMET and ask to buy some boards for cost. IMET might love to get some money out of this disaster.

That actually might not be a terrible idea if we know the stuff works. The problem is its more money to piss away.....ROI and all that as has been stated. But not a terrible idea. Last resort situation....

As I understand it,  cost for IMET are just the components minus the A1 asic chips.  If that is the case and assuming they work as IMET has claimed, then it is certainly a deal.   

Go with that Carlos, hopefully it gets you somewhere. Wish you all the best of luck bud.

Sad state of affairs when AMT is taunting its clients.

Look dude, we are trying to make the best deal out of the horrid hand you dealt us.

I'm just hoping that the manufacturer you screwed would be more than willing to get the junk you sent us working.

Remember that junk you sent me?  Yes,  the stuff that did not include a back plane?

Look dude,

We know your upset, and empathize with your situation, but in all fairness we can treat you any more special than other clients. From day one you wanted a refund. You filed a complaint with Delaware consumer affairs for a refund. When we shipped you your miner, there was something wrong with etc.

Same thing with (Mpark) who is a bit more rational these days, but he should be more pissed off than you because he tried to return his miner and couldn't even do that.

Its a shitty hand we all got dealt, not just you. You feel that you have lost 6k, we feel that we have lost about 600k, maybe more than that. But we also feel we can and will turn this around. Your bickering on a daily basis and rallying people up doesn't help. And running to our suppliers/partners/associates and asking them questions wont help either, because they want us to succeed so we keep using their services.

Carlos just calm down, we're posting an RMA procedure shortly, probably tomorrow.

[AMT_miners]

I don't see how buying IMET boards would make any sense, the cards are very big, the power requirements are high. If they were more efficient boards I would surely be chasing IMET down for a bargain. Money is no problem for me to get (or use), but the deal have a good potential to get back the initial investment quickly and safely.  I don't see the value, so as they say on shark tank, I'm out.

Also at IMET's production rate, or adjusted rate, and then re-adjust, and then rework cost, and the re-re-re-work cost, its not profitable. Lets just say almost a quarter of million went to IMET and we got through a third of the production before we walked way.

Also just an FYI to everyone interested, the amount in question is 40k to 65K, (25k which was mysteriously added on the day that we decided to part way with IMET btw). Also, if they simply returned which they have remaining, it would more than fulfill the suggested remaining funds at question.

The real question is how does the CEO of this very successful SMD company have time to write on a public forum and what are his intentions going forward.

What is the username of this CEO of SMD? I would surely not entertain anything that was not 100% working. I don't know who's fault was what, but it looks too messy an inefficient to get involved in. I question why wasn't there QA testing by AMT before producing the boards? Maybe there was, I don't know...

The email tkrol@imetcorporation.com - stands for Tom. And it was a 10-20% working type of situation. And in a nutshell, they were tested to a degree. Some worked and some didnt, some batches came out with a higher percentage and some didnt. It had to do with several factors that we've been figuring out over the last month since we left IMET. Maybe they have a solution to fixing a problem which in our opinion should never have existed. Or at least if it was such a problem, why charge someone over and over again and leave them with nothing to show for it. And legally until figuring out the situation and all the moving parts involved and questioning if it was our own fault or not, we didn't feel need to mention this situation or effect their reputation. But when the hopped on the forum, and started all that nonsense, it was like.. really..

[rik_khaos]

I'm upset no-one calls me by my first name I feel left out.

No stern comments for me just posts that disappear into the shadows.

Anyway I don't know why people are treating the 16th like it's the date of a settlement. I mean sure it could be if AMT were so inclined, but I'm not sure they are.  This is just for them to file a response, and then it just moves to the next thing. The judicial system is slows as fuck. One reason I hate it as a means of settling things.

I'd made suggestions of multiple things that I would have considered as making me whole a long time ago, but they didn't seem concerned with settling then either.

I'm just expecting a long knock down drag out fight. I mean I assume craig's attorney's assume they will win or it wasn't worth them taking the case. But by the time it's all said and done what's left?

[FrictionlessCoin]

I may have said the 10th, but according to others it's mid-month or the 16th. But even so, why is AMT waiting, why not just call the lawyer and spill the beans on what they are going to do for us now? I live in North NJ, about an hour and 15 from IMET. I am sure IMET is not just going to give me some free parts.

Call IMET and ask to buy some boards for cost. IMET might love to get some money out of this disaster.

That actually might not be a terrible idea if we know the stuff works. The problem is its more money to piss away.....ROI and all that as has been stated. But not a terrible idea. Last resort situation....

As I understand it,  cost for IMET are just the components minus the A1 asic chips.  If that is the case and assuming they work as IMET has claimed, then it is certainly a deal.   

Go with that Carlos, hopefully it gets you somewhere. Wish you all the best of luck bud.

Sad state of affairs when AMT is taunting its clients.

Look dude, we are trying to make the best deal out of the horrid hand you dealt us.

I'm just hoping that the manufacturer you screwed would be more than willing to get the junk you sent us working.

Remember that junk you sent me?  Yes,  the stuff that did not include a back plane?

Look dude,

We know your upset, and empathize with your situation, but in all fairness we can treat you any more special than other clients. From day one you wanted a refund. You filed a complaint with Delaware consumer affairs for a refund. When we shipped you your miner, there was something wrong with etc.

Same thing with (Mpark) who is a bit more rational these days, but he should be more pissed off than you because he tried to return his miner and couldn't even do that.

Its a shitty hand we all got dealt, not just you. You feel that you have lost 6k, we feel that we have lost about 600k, maybe more than that. But we also feel we can and will turn this around. Your bickering on a daily basis and rallying people up doesn't help. And running to our suppliers/partners/associates and asking them questions wont help either, because they want us to succeed so we keep using their services.

Carlos just calm down, we're posting an RMA procedure shortly, probably tomorrow.

Explain to me how you lost 600k?  You lost your customer's 600k!

Your suppliers and partners are the key to us getting something that works.  

You shipped me busted and missing parts.  You said months ago that you would ship missing parts.  Never happened.

So I have no recourse to ask your suppliers for assistance.

Meanwhile,  I suggest you quit this business and focus instead on how to pay what you owe us customers.

[AMT_miners]

I'm upset no-one calls me by my first name I feel left out.

No stern comments for me just posts that disappear into the shadows.

Anyway I don't know why people are treating the 16th like it's the date of a settlement. I mean sure it could be if AMT were so inclined, but I'm not sure they are.  This is just for them to file a response, and then it just moves to the next thing. The judicial system is slows as fuck. One reason I hate it as a means of settling things.

I'd made suggestions of multiple things that I would have considered as making me whole a long time ago, but they didn't seem concerned with settling then either.

I'm just expecting a long knock down drag out fight. I mean I assume craig's attorney's assume they will win or it wasn't worth them taking the case. But by the time it's all said and done what's left?

It wont be a long knock down drag out fight, we wont let it get that far.

[rik_khaos]

at least if it was such a problem, why charge someone over and over again and leave them with nothing to show for it. And legally until figuring out the situation and all the moving parts involved and questioning if it was our own fault and a lot, we didnt feel need to mention this situation or effect their reputation. But when the hopped on the forum, and started all that nonsense, it was like.. really..

This is another reason for no one to go after that product. The legality of trying to buy them is dubious at best. Plus with the boards I received I'm not sure you want what they'd be selling, unless they are proven to be working.

[AMT_miners]

I may have said the 10th, but according to others it's mid-month or the 16th. But even so, why is AMT waiting, why not just call the lawyer and spill the beans on what they are going to do for us now? I live in North NJ, about an hour and 15 from IMET. I am sure IMET is not just going to give me some free parts.

Call IMET and ask to buy some boards for cost. IMET might love to get some money out of this disaster.

That actually might not be a terrible idea if we know the stuff works. The problem is its more money to piss away.....ROI and all that as has been stated. But not a terrible idea. Last resort situation....

As I understand it,  cost for IMET are just the components minus the A1 asic chips.  If that is the case and assuming they work as IMET has claimed, then it is certainly a deal.   

Go with that Carlos, hopefully it gets you somewhere. Wish you all the best of luck bud.

Sad state of affairs when AMT is taunting its clients.

Look dude, we are trying to make the best deal out of the horrid hand you dealt us.

I'm just hoping that the manufacturer you screwed would be more than willing to get the junk you sent us working.

Remember that junk you sent me?  Yes,  the stuff that did not include a back plane?

Look dude,

We know your upset, and empathize with your situation, but in all fairness we can treat you any more special than other clients. From day one you wanted a refund. You filed a complaint with Delaware consumer affairs for a refund. When we shipped you your miner, there was something wrong with etc.

Same thing with (Mpark) who is a bit more rational these days, but he should be more pissed off than you because he tried to return his miner and couldn't even do that.

Its a shitty hand we all got dealt, not just you. You feel that you have lost 6k, we feel that we have lost about 600k, maybe more than that. But we also feel we can and will turn this around. Your bickering on a daily basis and rallying people up doesn't help. And running to our suppliers/partners/associates and asking them questions wont help either, because they want us to succeed so we keep using their services.

Carlos just calm down, we're posting an RMA procedure shortly, probably tomorrow.

Explain to me how you lost 600k?  You lost your customer's 600k!

Your suppliers and partners are the key to us getting something that works.  

You shipped me busted and missing parts.  You said months ago that you would ship missing parts.  Never happened.

So I have no recourse to ask your suppliers for assistance.

Meanwhile,  I suggest you quit this business and focus instead on how to pay what you owe us customers.

We suggest that you stop giving your suggestions.

[FrictionlessCoin]

I don't see how buying IMET boards would make any sense, the cards are very big, the power requirements are high. If they were more efficient boards I would surely be chasing IMET down for a bargain. Money is no problem for me to get (or use), but the deal have a good potential to get back the initial investment quickly and safely.  I don't see the value, so as they say on shark tank, I'm out.

Also at IMET's production rate, or adjusted rate, and then re-adjust, and then rework cost, and the re-re-re-work cost, its not profitable. Lets just say almost a quarter of million went to IMET and we got through a third of the production before we walked way.

Also just an FYI to everyone interested, the amount in question is 40k to 65K, (25k which was mysteriously added on the day that we decided to part way with IMET btw). Also, if they simply returned which they have remaining, it would more than fulfill the suggested remaining funds at question.

The real question is how does the CEO of this very successful SMD company have time to write on a public forum and what are his intentions going forward.

What is the username of this CEO of SMD? I would surely not entertain anything that was not 100% working. I don't know who's fault was what, but it looks too messy an inefficient to get involved in. I question why wasn't there QA testing by AMT before producing the boards? Maybe there was, I don't know...

The email tkrol@imetcorporation.com - stands for Tom. And it was a 10-20% working type of situation. And in a nutshell, they were tested to a degree. Some worked and some didnt, some batches came out with a higher percentage and some didnt. It had to do with several factors that we've been figuring out over the last month since we left IMET. Maybe they have a solution to fixing a problem which in our opinion should never have existed. Or at least if it was such a problem, why charge someone over and over again and leave them with nothing to show for it. And legally until figuring out the situation and all the moving parts involved and questioning if it was our own fault or not, we didn't feel need to mention this situation or effect their reputation. But when the hopped on the forum, and started all that nonsense, it was like.. really..

Dude... you had a smear campaign against IMET long before they hopped onto this forum!

Also, what's the excuse for sending a check from an account that was closed previously?  How do you respond to that allegation?