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Last Chance To Breathe: Why Monero Absolutely Must Implement Random-V


Digital tyranny is at our gates.  Intel, AMD, ARM, and Nvidia have Ring-0 vulnerabilities that software cannot ameliorate and free societies cannot tolerate.
The only practical strategy to forestall the emerging global digital tyranny is socioeconomic sovereign empowerment via private, permissionless communication and value-transfer networks running on end-to-end secure hardware.
In the beautific vision presented below, the two awful trends of digital tyranny and ASIC inevitability are set against each other, producing powerful harmonics sufficient to disrupt, defang, or domesticate both.


Given, in general to the world at large:

1. Indulging in the security theater of running FOSS on Ring-0 compromised/backdoored hardware is pointless, futile, and hypocritical.
2. There is a narrowing window of opportunity for FOSH to remain competitive with proprietary, state-actor backed, incumbent and dominant semiconductor firms.
3. There is only one FOSH project with the critical socioeconomic and technological mass needed to potentially represent a viable challenge to the evil oligoploy of Big Silicon.
4. That one potentially viable large scale (and thus perhaps world-saving) FOSH project is called RISC-V (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC-V).


Given, specifically to the narrow world of Monero:

5. Monero's infamous 'champagne problem' of ASIC Inevitability is logically entailed by sufficient economic success (and/or sufficiently motivated adversaries).
6. Choosing specific parameters for Random-X intrinsically favors one microarchitecture over others.
7. Attempts to equalize performance for [(Intel CPU vs AMD APU vs ARM SOC) vs (nVIDIA GPU vs AMD GPU)] requires continuous readjustment as new generations of tech evolve.
8. The very inconvenient governance structures required to actively manage equalization of these moving/divergent targets expose undesirable social and technological attack surfaces.


Thus, be it therefore resolved that:

Lack of performant and secure FOSH is an existential threat to Monero and all FOSS, and,
Monero as a project and culture must accept the inevitablity of ASICs while transmuting FUD into features, by means of tweaking Random-X to target the RISC-V open-source instruction set architecture, and,
Monero as a united community has the unique power, unique opportunity, and unique responsibility to align historially malincentivized ISA development with its absolute necessities for fast/secure FOSH and decentralized PoW secruity.



Conclusion
Rather than fuss endlessly with actively rebalancing Random-X performance in various proprietary micoarchitectures, Monero's PoW focus must shift to forcing all of them to emulate and optimize RISC-V instruction sets.
This arrangement passively creates competition to radically and rapidly improve the one singular open-source ISA which may be used to rebase critical infrastructure (servers, routers, PCs, SOCs, modems, etc) on FOSH.
As the hardware world is remade and rebased on RISC-V, all the things (smartphone, doorbell, smart-fridge, rescue drone, kill drone, anti-drone drone, Tesla, NAS, laptop, gaming rig, mainframe, etc) may mine XMR with priority accorded by user preference under local conditions.
This glittering futuristic world of all-the-things mining Random-V willy-nilly represents the closest possible approach to a perfectly free PoW market, which maximally preserves decentralization, antifragility, and permissionlessness.




Appendix
Random-V variants: tweaking word-width within a safe 'Can't Be Evil' libre paradigm
RISC-V currently supports 32, 64, and 128-bit register sets. There are proposals to implement variable-width instructions up to 864-bits.
This flexibility allows Random-V developers to retain the ability to create best-fit variants based on the facts on the ground (IE we can still nerf/brick particular RV ASIC monopolies) and/or the facts we wish to encourage becoming true.
To be determined is whether or not to use the same variant on every block forever, or to pre-program future forks to wider word widths, or even to vary word-width between blocks either randomly or deterministicaly.
EG, if 1/3 of blocks are RV-32, 1/3 are RV-64, and 1/3 are RV-128 that may encourage better coin distribution among embedded 32-bit native miners, phone/laptop based 64-bit native miners, and PC/mainframe based 128-bit native miners.




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Last Chance To Breathe: Why Monero Absolutely Must Implement Random-V


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El breaker de ice, I rarely agree with you. Here I appreciate your sentiment, but there's literally nowhere you can buy a risc-v computer. This guy apparently needs an oscilloscope to build one:
https://abopen.com/news/building-a-risc-v-pc/

I am not a fan of randomx, for a variety of reasons, but I do think it would be cool to support open-source hardware. Is it really possible to optimize for random-v hardware though? I'm under the impression that there won't be much difference between x86 and ARM for randomx, would risc-v really be possible to gear towards and gain significant advantage over other CPU architectures?
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there's literally nowhere you can buy a risc-v computer. This guy apparently needs an oscilloscope to build one:
https://abopen.com/news/building-a-risc-v-pc/

I am not a fan of randomx, for a variety of reasons, but I do think it would be cool to support open-source hardware. Is it really possible to optimize for random-v hardware though? I'm under the impression that there won't be much difference between x86 and ARM for randomx, would risc-v really be possible to gear towards and gain significant advantage over other CPU architectures?

The point of Random-V is to ensure we may buy competitively commodified RISC-V computers ASAP, in order to solve Monero's (seemingly existential and perhaps otherwise intractable) digital tyranny and ASIC inevitability problems.

From u/hyc:

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RandomX instructions map pretty much 1-to-1 with instructions on real CPUs, so there won't be any significant advantage in execution performance. The point remains, you have to build an actual CPU - this is what limits the overall efficiency potential of any ASIC design.


Making a RISC-V computer the perfect XMR miner aligns incentives to create such computers ASAP.

I get the chicken-egg bootstrapping paradox, and my intented purpose for Random-V is cutting that Gordian Knot using Surveillance Capitalism's irrational exuberence and unlimited fiat supply.

AFAIK your questions regarding gearing Random-V on native RISC-V towards significant advantage over other architectures can only be answered by the invisible hand of the market and cannot be deduced using only pure logic.

But I'm no expert on ISAs or RandomX, and so love to hear everypony else's opinions on how best to test this hypothesis in the marketplace... Cool

Can Random-V save teh universe or will it turn out like Kovri?  Huh

We need your hot takes to keep this baby wild & free!


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MoneroKon 2019 - Tari: Advancing Monero Through Ecosystem Development - by Riccardo 'fluffypony' Spagni

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmeSSnppixY

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As a general rule, payment IDs are not necessary for transactions to go through, and if I'm not mistaken they will be deprecated in the next major version. Exchanges used to require them when receiving coins, so they know which user to credit with those coins. If you are sending the coins to a wallet you operate, you probably don't need a payment ID (unless you expect to receive the exact same amount from other sources too).
That being said, if the exchange's interface has a 'payment ID' field and they made it mandatory, there's nothing you can do about that.
If the exchange has indeed sent the coins, they could probably give you more information on the transaction, like in which block it was included. I would wait a bit and then contact their support.

Thank you very very much Chicken_76 for clearing that out. Unfortunately the payment ID was mandatory. So I am safe? With inputting anything there?

I am crazy concerned because this is the 2nd exchange that has some issues sending out to an external wallet, my first exchange is still transfering the coins for some unknown reason for several days now and support just got back to me with a response they are looking at it. The transaction failed and no coins was refunded. And now this. Sad I always thought and had an impression transfers were automated.

You cannot trust any 3rd party to be automated or even trustworthy.
Never forget. not your keys, not your coins.
With that said I have never had an issue with Binance and the withdrawals are always quick and .0001XMR (who could ask for more than less than that!).

What exchanges are you using? I think even Bisq hasn't ironed out its bugs yet so there are alot of scammers there from what I've read. Someone that uses it can comment better on that I'm sure, I've just gotten that from random threads I've read.

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Last Chance To Breathe: Why Monero Absolutely Must Implement Random-V


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El breaker de ice, I rarely agree with you. Here I appreciate your sentiment, but there's literally nowhere you can buy a risc-v computer. This guy apparently needs an oscilloscope to build one:
https://abopen.com/news/building-a-risc-v-pc/

I am not a fan of randomx, for a variety of reasons, but I do think it would be cool to support open-source hardware. Is it really possible to optimize for random-v hardware though? I'm under the impression that there won't be much difference between x86 and ARM for randomx, would risc-v really be possible to gear towards and gain significant advantage over other CPU architectures?

I don't know much about RISC-V but I see no reason A RISC system with the added extensions being emulated is not viable from a quick glance. Are the later extensions actually in usage for this case?

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Altcoins have been on their ways to move up. Monero has not yet risen from its bottom, so there are still great chances (last ones) to buy cheap Monero and get rich. If a joke coin like Dogecoin can rise up to more than 40 percent, why Monero can not outperform Dogecoin. It's only matter of time, and we will see Monero skyrocket to the Moon. The price chart gives me a feeling that Monero will have to halt its rise around 0.09 BTC for a while before rising more. Let's see what will happen with Monero movements next days.
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DOGECOIN is now listed on Meroex !!!

You forgot to replace DOGECOIN with MONERO.
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MONERO is now listed on Meroex !!!

You forgot to replace DOGECOIN with MONERO.
I don't see anything wrong.  What's the problem?
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Got a question: Are there any XMR wallet apps available via Tor's browser (onion network)? Which is the best and reliable?

As always, was scrolling through the twitter feed. Found a tweet (https://twitter.com/brale_core/status/1147838919364501505) where a guy claims some messenger browser app to be available via .onion, which makes it possible to access & use this messenger's blockchain net with about no chances to leak the user IPs *as it happens to P2P com apps like whatsApp or telegram*. I'm a pretty much geek on privacy topic so it took me for a while, unless I reminded myself about how the Monero's being used in our days. That is, in fact, all xmr wallet apps I know are held by commercial-like companies. And, what's more creepy, many of them are working from jurisdictions like USA/EU/China, which are you know... those Snowy days...

So the usage of apps like this is easy to be tracked & stored. And the apps like Monero core or electrum-like is not really adapted for reliable proxies/VPN support, neither the Tor. Not to mention that the nodes are instantly receiving the sender's client IP and whatever viruses can those white hats produce.

So, for now, I'm asking myself if I or anyone else can go use Monero wallet with any percentage of non-tracking guarantees of my device, which is for me, the Tor network. Are there any Tor web-wallets or anyone has a wish to start one? I have absolutely no idea why's everyone talking on those 'gorgeous' blockchain privacy features, just keeping to use some iOS USA-based wallets...

You can run the official GUI on Tails (either with a local node or a remote node):

https://medium.com/@Electricsheep56/sheeps-noob-guide-to-monero-gui-in-tails-3-2-d75c4e829c17

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Hi I have a question about which is the most confidential between Monero XMR and Cloak CLOAK?

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GUI v0.14.1.0 'Boron Butterfly' (with Ledger Nano X and Trezor Model T support) released!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/c8eg6k/gui_v01410_boron_butterfly_with_ledger_nano_x_and/
Is this a mandatory update or not?

Mandatory are the ones that changes number after first zero. so from 0.13.0  to 0.14.0.   Upgrades that goes from 0.14.0 to 0.14.1 are usually just some bug fixes.

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Hi I have a question about which is the most confidential between Monero XMR and Cloak CLOAK?



Hello. You can read this. https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6fed9p/monero_vs_cloak/.
And you can also compare blockchain explorers https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cloak/ and https://moneroblocks.info. You can see transaction amount is hidden only on Monero's explorer. So I would say it is Monero, but I think you're asking this question in the wrong thread... A big percentage of users in this thread might be biased.

However I have a question regarding Monero Blockchain explorer. Why are there only 2 outputs/inputs? Should be there more of them because of Ring signatures? https://moneroblocks.info/tx/50b25ba947b559671e182bc54776d328155a562aaa5591b5c39dd3547f4e3645

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The third audit (by X41) of RandomX has successfully been completed!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ca71ok/randomx_audit_statuas/

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Hi I have a question about which is the most confidential between Monero XMR and Cloak CLOAK?



Hello. You can read this. https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6fed9p/monero_vs_cloak/.
And you can also compare blockchain explorers https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cloak/ and https://moneroblocks.info. You can see transaction amount is hidden only on Monero's explorer. So I would say it is Monero, but I think you're asking this question in the wrong thread... A big percentage of users in this thread might be biased.

However I have a question regarding Monero Blockchain explorer. Why are there only 2 outputs/inputs? Should be there more of them because of Ring signatures? https://moneroblocks.info/tx/50b25ba947b559671e182bc54776d328155a562aaa5591b5c39dd3547f4e3645

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Hi I have a question about which is the most confidential between Monero XMR and Cloak CLOAK?



Hello. You can read this. https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6fed9p/monero_vs_cloak/.
And you can also compare blockchain explorers https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cloak/ and https://moneroblocks.info. You can see transaction amount is hidden only on Monero's explorer. So I would say it is Monero, but I think you're asking this question in the wrong thread... A big percentage of users in this thread might be biased.

However I have a question regarding Monero Blockchain explorer. Why are there only 2 outputs/inputs? Should be there more of them because of Ring signatures? https://moneroblocks.info/tx/50b25ba947b559671e182bc54776d328155a562aaa5591b5c39dd3547f4e3645

where is the explorers source code?  Cheesy Grin Kiss i call bullshit

https://github.com/moneroexamples/onion-monero-blockchain-explorer

Sometimes I question whether you're just having fun or you really have these obsessive vendettas against certain non-Bitcoin coins. I lean that you're just getting your jollies trolling, but man you sure do a good job acting like a truly obsessed lunatic.
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Hi I have a question about which is the most confidential between Monero XMR and Cloak CLOAK?



Hello. You can read this. https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6fed9p/monero_vs_cloak/.
And you can also compare blockchain explorers https://chainz.cryptoid.info/cloak/ and https://moneroblocks.info. You can see transaction amount is hidden only on Monero's explorer. So I would say it is Monero, but I think you're asking this question in the wrong thread... A big percentage of users in this thread might be biased.

However I have a question regarding Monero Blockchain explorer. Why are there only 2 outputs/inputs? Should be there more of them because of Ring signatures? https://moneroblocks.info/tx/50b25ba947b559671e182bc54776d328155a562aaa5591b5c39dd3547f4e3645

where is the explorers source code?  Cheesy Grin Kiss i call bullshit

https://github.com/moneroexamples/onion-monero-blockchain-explorer

Sometimes I question whether you're just having fun or you really have these obsessive vendettas against certain non-Bitcoin coins. I lean that you're just getting your jollies trolling, but man you sure do a good job acting like a truly obsessed lunatic.


"" The project aims to develop generic online scanner/searcher for Monero. Its possible capability includes searching for:

outputs associated with given address and viewkey (already implemented with full support for subaddresses),
possible spendings based on only address and viewkey,
transactions which use our outputs as decoys/ring members,
transactions associated with given legacy payment ids,
multi-output transactions to subaddresses,
transactions with integrated payment ids,
and more ... ""

https://github.com/moneroexamples/generic-xmr-scanner

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July 09, 2019, 09:30:38 PM
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I’m hearing rumours about privacy coins possibly getting delisted. Are exchanges compliant to the (coming) regulations when they have privacy coins on their trading options? Or are these all false rumours?

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I’m hearing rumours about privacy coins possibly getting delisted. Are exchanges compliant to the (coming) regulations when they have privacy coins on their trading options? Or are these all false rumours?

I am going to post this ad nauseum until it sticks:

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People often like to purport that Monero will inevitably get banned. However, the new FinCEN guidance is basically inconsistent with that notion. From the CoinCenter article:

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Section 4.5.3 states that exchanges are not per se banned from using privacy-preserving cryptocurrencies but will need to comply with the same BSA regulations they comply with for typical cryptocurrencies. We believe that this is possible. Exchanges need to know their customers but they do not have a black letter law requirement to know the customers of their customers. In other words, a bank needs to know who you are but they are not obligated to know the name and address of people that you pay using cash you withdraw from your account.

https://coincenter.org/entry/fincen-s-new-cryptocurrency-guidance-matches-coin-center-recommendations

Arguably, this is long-term bullish for Monero.

Additionally, Tari Labs is creating an open source framework for listing Monero as well as educating regulators.

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July 10, 2019, 07:32:47 AM
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Poloniex adds fiat deposits and withdrawals - Monero included (XMR/USDC pair is available on Poloniex)!

https://twitter.com/Poloniex/status/1148664944130449415

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