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July 21, 2019, 10:39:01 PM
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monero is the best altcoin for what concerns the privacy and anonymity, many others have tried to imitate it but without reaching its levels, unfortunately i could not follow all the news concerning it (monero) someone can update me? the last fork? can no longer be mined with cryptonight? was born a new altcoin monero7?...

Indeed, as a matter of fact, most are only imitating but not entirely, all of which is wasted like garbage. I also don't understand why most people imitate and why not make something different. For what you ask, besides that, I also didn't follow the news so far.
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July 22, 2019, 02:11:03 PM
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The third audit (by X41) of RandomX has successfully been completed!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ca71ok/randomx_audit_statuas/


Can one still use this algo to install malware to run on a website so that website visitors mine XMR with the users CPU?
Wasn't there any consideration to the algorithm that would negate this specific security issue with XMR and why is this not mentioned in the audit?

thanks.

Due to the random code generation part of the proof-of-work, a web miner is significantly more difficult to create (though definitely not impossible). Additionally, the 2GB RAM requirement somewhat mitigates the malware issue.

this is the kind of response i had hoped to read. thank you for that.
Glad that some of us are a little less easily-triggered!

peace.
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July 22, 2019, 02:21:02 PM
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The third audit (by X41) of RandomX has successfully been completed!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ca71ok/randomx_audit_statuas/


Can one still use this algo to install malware to run on a website so that website visitors mine XMR with the users CPU?
Wasn't there any consideration to the algorithm that would negate this specific security issue with XMR and why is this not mentioned in the audit?

thanks.

Due to the random code generation part of the proof-of-work, a web miner is significantly more difficult to create (though definitely not impossible). Additionally, the 2GB RAM requirement somewhat mitigates the malware issue.

this is the kind of response i had hoped to read. thank you for that.
Glad that some of us are a little less easily-triggered!

peace.

Yes, this was not at all an insult to the community as a whole. I think your lucky you got a civil answer at all. But I was abrasive so that is on me for allowing you to bait me. Be assured that won't happen again.

no it was a genuine question.. but feel free to see it as fud if you like.
my concern is that i had some comparative-crypto website open for a few hours yesterday on my browser and when i returned to my computer, it had almost melted the CPU. I know this type of shady deployment of malware has been inherent within the XMR community in the past so wanted to ask. I think your attitude to the question answered it specifically. thank you.

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July 22, 2019, 02:27:13 PM
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The third audit (by X41) of RandomX has successfully been completed!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ca71ok/randomx_audit_statuas/


Can one still use this algo to install malware to run on a website so that website visitors mine XMR with the users CPU?
Wasn't there any consideration to the algorithm that would negate this specific security issue with XMR and why is this not mentioned in the audit?

thanks.

Due to the random code generation part of the proof-of-work, a web miner is significantly more difficult to create (though definitely not impossible). Additionally, the 2GB RAM requirement somewhat mitigates the malware issue.

this is the kind of response i had hoped to read. thank you for that.
Glad that some of us are a little less easily-triggered!

peace.

Yes, this was not at all an insult to the community as a whole. I think your lucky you got a civil answer at all. But I was abrasive so that is on me for allowing you to bait me. Be assured that won't happen again.

no it was a genuine question.. but feel free to see it as fud if you like.
my concern is that i had some comparative-crypto website open for a few hours yesterday on my browser and when i returned to my computer, it had almost melted the CPU. I know this type of shady deployment of malware has been inherent within the XMR community in the past so wanted to ask. I think your attitude to the question answered it specifically. thank you.

I refrained from stating 'within the XMR ecosystem, because it is not a fault of the developers, it is indeed people mining XMR via shady malware, which is indeed 'people involved in XMR' = "xmr community members"

You got triggered and defensive on my choice of phrase, perhaps you need some time with your head in a good novel or something friend, come away from 'Interent Formus' - it's an awful anxiety-enducing state to be in.



Take the advice of your peers:

Hueristic, I respect you, but in recent weeks and months you've been frothing at the mouth.

+1, let's keep it civil.
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July 22, 2019, 02:38:06 PM
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When somebody hacked me and got 7000 xmr, Hueristic was about the only guy who took me seriously.  Most of the others piled on with predictable abuse.
Also, he's a very knowledgable guy, and I value that.
Overall, Hueristic's valuable contributions outweigh his little irritable outbursts.   As an older fellow with physical problems, I also let my annoyance get the better of me.
Hueristic, you should know we're on your side.  Next time something gets your goat, just think positive -- we're all your friends here.
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When somebody hacked me and got 7000 xmr, Hueristic was about the only guy who took me seriously.  Most of the others piled on with predictable abuse.
Also, he's a very knowledgable guy, and I value that.
Overall, Hueristic's valuable contributions outweigh his little irritable outbursts.   As an older fellow with physical problems, I also let my annoyance get the better of me.
Hueristic, you should know we're on your side.  Next time something gets your goat, just think positive -- we're all your friends here.


Thanks Br0. Smiley


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https://www.pcmag.com/news/369660/hack-reveals-russian-plan-to-deanonymize-tor-traffic

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July 23, 2019, 01:17:37 AM
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When somebody hacked me and got 7000 xmr, Hueristic was about the only guy who took me seriously.  Most of the others piled on with predictable abuse.
Also, he's a very knowledgable guy, and I value that.
Overall, Hueristic's valuable contributions outweigh his little irritable outbursts.   As an older fellow with physical problems, I also let my annoyance get the better of me.
Hueristic, you should know we're on your side.  Next time something gets your goat, just think positive -- we're all your friends here.


it was my team...sorry brah  Grin  #game over lol

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July 25, 2019, 09:51:34 AM
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Is there a way for Ledger to integrate XMR into Ledger Live without having to store the viewkeys off all their users?

Because if they store them, then US gov agencies will ask them, and those agencies will be able to map a good chunk of XMR distribution.

Behind that lies this important question: is their a way for XMR to become more user friendly without sacrifing privacy? Or will the only way to ensure privacy be forever to run a full node oneself?
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July 25, 2019, 10:26:28 AM
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In the OP it’s been said they’re moving away from this forum. Is this now only community based or is a team member still active on the thread as well? Privacy is key and Monero stands for privacy. Monero = key.

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July 25, 2019, 11:17:01 AM
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There are team members still active here

Also they recommend joining their reddits for more detailed info.
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July 25, 2019, 01:22:21 PM
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Is there a way for Ledger to integrate XMR into Ledger Live without having to store the viewkeys off all their users?

Because if they store them, then US gov agencies will ask them, and those agencies will be able to map a good chunk of XMR distribution.

Behind that lies this important question: is their a way for XMR to become more user friendly without sacrifing privacy? Or will the only way to ensure privacy be forever to run a full node oneself?

They could technically use the GUI's libwallet as library (Monerujo does this for instance), which would result in the wallet being able to connect to a remote node (and thus not having to send the private view key to a server to delegate scanning).

I'd argue using a remote node is fairly user friendly.

Lastly, note the subtle difference between a light server and a remote node. The former requires the private view key, whereas the latter does not.

Privacy matters, use Monero - A true untraceable cryptocurrency
Why Monero matters? http://weuse.cash/2016/03/05/bitcoiners-hedge-your-position/
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July 25, 2019, 01:23:10 PM
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In the OP it’s been said they’re moving away from this forum. Is this now only community based or is a team member still active on the thread as well? Privacy is key and Monero stands for privacy. Monero = key.

There are still developers as well as core-team members active here. Additionally, there's a large and vibrant community on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/

Perhaps the OP of the thread requires an update.

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July 25, 2019, 06:09:13 PM
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Can Monero (XRM) Overshadow Bitcoin (BTC) In the Next 5 Years? : https://www.publish0x.com/jamescrypto/can-monero-xrm-overshadow-bitcoin-btc-next-5-years-xxyzzw
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July 25, 2019, 07:04:28 PM
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When somebody hacked me and got 7000 xmr, Hueristic was about the only guy who took me seriously.  Most of the others piled on with predictable abuse.
Also, he's a very knowledgable guy, and I value that.
Overall, Hueristic's valuable contributions outweigh his little irritable outbursts.   As an older fellow with physical problems, I also let my annoyance get the better of me.
Hueristic, you should know we're on your side.  Next time something gets your goat, just think positive -- we're all your friends here.


Thanks Br0. Smiley


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Hack Reveals Russian Plan to Deanonymize Tor Traffic

https://www.pcmag.com/news/369660/hack-reveals-russian-plan-to-deanonymize-tor-traffic

Regarding TOR:
I remeber a conversation on the TOR mailing list of a hacker, who claimed that he needs three nodes and some magic to deanonyminize traffic in TOR, and was ready to reveal that to the devs. The guy was then collected by FLEA and stated on the mailing list, that he was obliged to sign an NDA and period, that was it, never heard of him again. As i recall that was in 2014 or 2015, i have to look in my archives, maybe i find that one again...

Regarding the article: I am using a swiss VPN service with some traffic on it, so i do not have the downsides of TOR when travelling on the i-net, as i do not have any interest on the dark web for whatever purposes. I think I2P is the better solution than TOR, but everybody has to decide that on their own

Regarding Monerujo:
I am thrilled about our little baby and i would appreciate it, if the devs would tease us with some news on KOVRI  Grin Cheesy

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July 25, 2019, 07:40:35 PM
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Is there a way for Ledger to integrate XMR into Ledger Live without having to store the viewkeys off all their users?

Because if they store them, then US gov agencies will ask them, and those agencies will be able to map a good chunk of XMR distribution.

Behind that lies this important question: is their a way for XMR to become more user friendly without sacrifing privacy? Or will the only way to ensure privacy be forever to run a full node oneself?

They could technically use the GUI's libwallet as library (Monerujo does this for instance), which would result in the wallet being able to connect to a remote node (and thus not having to send the private view key to a server to delegate scanning).

I'd argue using a remote node is fairly user friendly.

Lastly, note the subtle difference between a light server and a remote node. The former requires the private view key, whereas the latter does not.
Are they (Ledger) aware of that?
Are there discussions with their technical team and Monero core devs?

Because I have talked with the Ledger's guy responsible for coin integration and he told me that they don't want to integrate XMR into Ledger Live because they don't want to store users viewkey. So maybe they don't know how to do it properly.
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July 26, 2019, 07:25:58 AM
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Is there a way for Ledger to integrate XMR into Ledger Live without having to store the viewkeys off all their users?

Because if they store them, then US gov agencies will ask them, and those agencies will be able to map a good chunk of XMR distribution.

Behind that lies this important question: is their a way for XMR to become more user friendly without sacrifing privacy? Or will the only way to ensure privacy be forever to run a full node oneself?

They could technically use the GUI's libwallet as library (Monerujo does this for instance), which would result in the wallet being able to connect to a remote node (and thus not having to send the private view key to a server to delegate scanning).

I'd argue using a remote node is fairly user friendly.

Lastly, note the subtle difference between a light server and a remote node. The former requires the private view key, whereas the latter does not.
Are they (Ledger) aware of that?
Are there discussions with their technical team and Monero core devs?

Because I have talked with the Ledger's guy responsible for coin integration and he told me that they don't want to integrate XMR into Ledger Live because they don't want to store users viewkey. So maybe they don't know how to do it properly.

I am not sure. I guess I could contact cslashm and have a chat about it.

There have been discussions in the past as far as I know.

Privacy matters, use Monero - A true untraceable cryptocurrency
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July 26, 2019, 03:59:10 PM
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Now that, Ledger and Trezor support Monero and there is Kostelo in works and I am sure some other hardware wallets will integrate in the near future, I am not worried of the "Monero hardware wallets future".  Each of them will try to make it as user friendly and as harmless for them and for Monero. If they will slack, users will pick their competitors.

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July 27, 2019, 07:40:19 PM
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I have decided to keep all my crypto savings in monero. That's the future. It's closest to cash by a design. I love monero. Keep it up guys

I love Monero!
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July 27, 2019, 08:01:47 PM
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The history of Monero (XMR) : https://www.publish0x.com/cryptofarm/history-monero-xmr-xyyqkl
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That's a nice reading! Thanks

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