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August 25, 2014, 11:04:34 PM
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There are reasons why the market price is what it is. REAL reasons.

One of the reasons must be the lack of work from the vericoin devs. No real work has been delivering for long. CLOAK is the best example that the hard or even little work pay off. It was just a rather simple CLOAK white paper released and the market response is very positive. I am happy for that and I could sell the CLOAK at 40k which I bought at 22k, but why there is no such work from the vericoin devs? Are they just incapable to deliver, not enough time for work or are they just lazy? It would be nice to see vercioin progress as other coins do and the easiest way to achieve that via working on the software.

So your comparing a white paper to solid development releases?

Edit - last time I checked Cloak was dumped with every other coin over the last 2 weeks, was down %80. Just sounds like you want to day trade, I guess we are looking for two different things here. I'm looking for a longterm profit in Vericoin, not a quick flip for profit. I'm looking for the next Bitcoin!

And yes, white papers. I understand you are not a software professional and I guess you are not aware of that most successful software projects start with high level software documents such as business requirements docs and prior to that often white papers. No wonder white papers moves the market (see CLOAK) because it indicate the direction of the project. So yes, sometimes a white paper could be more important than an actual release that required 1000 man hours.

So you would rather Vericoin follow the other coins? With blockchain 2.0 tech and other features that no other user outside of the very very small world of crypto will even be interested in?

Whats the point of going down that road when your product isn't even used for what its meant for...as a currency!

All the alts and even bitcoin haven't seen mass adoption or even adoption at all. All they are concerned about are price at the moment, like yourself.

I want Vericoin to be a product that people want and will use, and that is where the devs are heading. I will gladly follow them if they stick to their ideals for this coin. It may take 2-5 years...but I will be here.
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August 25, 2014, 11:05:42 PM
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I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but specific suggestions to use moving forward proactively.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

I have posted it so many times it is beyond repetitive at this point, but once more, since you ask nicely, here it goes:

1.- Clearly state the aim, the goal... AND STICK TO IT and ONLY to it. If you state that goal is "worldwide mass adoption", stick to that. And by stick to it I mean you cannot be bothered with absurdities and niche features such as anon, decentralized exchanges and whatever else the coin of the week is peddling.

-Worldwide mass adoption - yes, namely usability and accessibility  (eg. VeriSMS (send/receive nearly anywhere), VeriBit (spend many places), VeriCard (spend nearly anywhere)). 

-Mintpal showed us we could really use a decentralized exchange.

-Usernames requires extra privacy technology otherwise anyone could be big brother, not just the most well funded investigators.


2.- Get whatever you determine you need, WORKING. NOW. No excuses. No ifs, no buts. Wallets. Do it or get it done. Yesterday. Multi-pool, likewise.

-Everything we absolutely need is working now and it's much more than litecoin has for instance.  Good new technology takes some time and cannot all be done now.

3.- Once 1 and 2 are set, ENGAGE enthusiastically the community in the vision, the project and ask for help -AND LISTEN TO IT- to move it forward.

We have a community marketing team, I engage more often and more enthusiastically than most devs.  This is an example of me asking for help and listening.

Simple 3 steps, aren't they. And a world of difference nevertheless.

Now, there are bondages in setting a "simple" goal. You cannot set a lofty goal such a "worldwide mass adoption" and pretend to achieve any significant level of that adoption while the entire crypto is in volatile turmoil, let alone your coin. You start with the baby steps of awareness, of course. And for that you have to have a website where the key questions are responded in completely different ways, understandable ones, layman's terms; likewise, no matter what anyone else does and how they achieve 5000% in price overnight, you stick to the plan, through thick and thin. The leit motive should be "what you  see is what you get": Community, honesty, transparency. We are the good guys. Take it or leave. If you are looking for technical innovation, next door on the left; anonymity, end of the corridor, on the right, not here. We want people to USE crypto, to invest in CLEAN crypto, to support HONEST, TRANSPARENT and LEGAL (when it happens) crypto. We cannot guarantee you will not lose money nor we can guarantee that you will make lots of it, but we DO guarantee HONESTY, TRANSPARENCY and, when available, COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS.

I am firmly convinced both the community and newcomers will respond to such simple and committed plan.

I hope I have answered your petition.

I get your points and I agree we could do these things better and we will.  Thank you for the thoughtful response.

Sorry Doug but no, you do not get it. That's why this approach, although I appreciate it, is futile. The Windows wallet still doesn't work properly so what is the  point in denying it? I don't understand. The multi-pool is a mess --- and not even counting the "efficiency" of that algo that determines when to buy at the best price. These are basic things for many people heavily invested in Vericoin. They may not be vocal, but their actions speak louder than any words. Once again, no solution is possible, even to this simple but very important problems, without previous acknowledgement that the problems DO exist.

I understand they are your children, and we all know how we are about our children, ok? But neither Veribit nor Verisms serve any practical purpose. You insist in not acknowledging it but everyone knows it and has already reacted to it. Verisms, if offered, has to be at a level of usefulness that is very far from current usability. Just copy boxxa and get done with it. At least would be a bit more usable for the dozen, altogether, people that they will use it worldwide. We can talk and be civil about this for hours, days, weeks or months and reality will not change the facts. Hopefully it will change your absurd defense of the utopy that they represent.

And, clearly, state that we are not aiming in any near or even mid term, to either aunt Emma or Joe Sixpack. We are aiming at the active population worldwide:18-50. Computer savvy, learned and active. With finances to protect and further. Which have reasons, everyday reasons, to hate banks and credit cards. We are not going to give them any more plastic, any more intermediaries... if we give them a card (and we should have done this so many weeks ago already) it will have a VRC wallet in it and they will pay no fees, OK?

Finally, when I say ENGAGE the community and LISTEN to it. I am not talking listening to the cheerleaders without any knowledge or experience. That's the opposite of positive. You have a "community marketing team"... who is in it? a designer that cannot get a job designing, a coinmaker that knows nothing or anything, a guy with experience in marketing -maybe- whose ideas are suited for corporations and products that have nothing to do with the dynamism and immediacy of the crypto world, the one that requires a "solid plan". What is a "solid plan" in his mind, have you asked? There's no "solid plan" that doesn't require LOADS of money to carry out. Do we have it? No Then, the whole idea of the "solid plan" is yet another pipe dream. Should the lack of this utopic "solid plan" put an end to carry out a non-solid plan based on immediate resources available? Well you, specifically, did.

Anyway, like I have posted so many times, it is running in circles. Unfortunately.

I know you mean well, you are just not willing to admit that your children are neither the most beautiful nor the most talented of the school. Which is human, albeit shortsighted. And, letting the metaphor aside, quite damaging for Vericoin.
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August 25, 2014, 11:05:59 PM
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There are reasons why the market price is what it is. REAL reasons.

One of the reasons must be the lack of work from the vericoin devs. No real work has been delivering for long. CLOAK is the best example that the hard or even little work pay off. It was just a rather simple CLOAK white paper released and the market response is very positive. I am happy for that and I could sell the CLOAK at 40k which I bought at 22k, but why there is no such work from the vericoin devs? Are they just incapable to deliver, not enough time for work or are they just lazy? It would be nice to see vercioin progress as other coins do and the easiest way to achieve that via working on the software.

So your comparing a white paper to solid development releases?

Edit - last time I checked Cloak was dumped with every other coin over the last 2 weeks, was down %80. Just sounds like you want to day trade, I guess we are looking for two different things here. I'm looking for a longterm profit in Vericoin, not a quick flip for profit. I'm looking for the next Bitcoin!

I have discussed that with Pnosker and other why Vericoin can't be the next Bitcoin a few days back - let me not repeat myself again and again.

The only coin I am not day traded so far is vercioin, so it is not about day trading.

There are no "solid development releases" from vericoin. There are no development at all. (The Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS don't count because they are useless, lame ideas)

Why did you buy in if you don't like our primary features?

Good question why would an investor kick there own ass. : )

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August 25, 2014, 11:09:40 PM
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I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but specific suggestions to use moving forward proactively.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

I have posted it so many times it is beyond repetitive at this point, but once more, since you ask nicely, here it goes:

1.- Clearly state the aim, the goal... AND STICK TO IT and ONLY to it. If you state that goal is "worldwide mass adoption", stick to that. And by stick to it I mean you cannot be bothered with absurdities and niche features such as anon, decentralized exchanges and whatever else the coin of the week is peddling.

-Worldwide mass adoption - yes, namely usability and accessibility  (eg. VeriSMS (send/receive nearly anywhere), VeriBit (spend many places), VeriCard (spend nearly anywhere)). 

-Mintpal showed us we could really use a decentralized exchange.

-Usernames requires extra privacy technology otherwise anyone could be big brother, not just the most well funded investigators.


2.- Get whatever you determine you need, WORKING. NOW. No excuses. No ifs, no buts. Wallets. Do it or get it done. Yesterday. Multi-pool, likewise.

-Everything we absolutely need is working now and it's much more than litecoin has for instance.  Good new technology takes some time and cannot all be done now.

3.- Once 1 and 2 are set, ENGAGE enthusiastically the community in the vision, the project and ask for help -AND LISTEN TO IT- to move it forward.

We have a community marketing team, I engage more often and more enthusiastically than most devs.  This is an example of me asking for help and listening.

Simple 3 steps, aren't they. And a world of difference nevertheless.

Now, there are bondages in setting a "simple" goal. You cannot set a lofty goal such a "worldwide mass adoption" and pretend to achieve any significant level of that adoption while the entire crypto is in volatile turmoil, let alone your coin. You start with the baby steps of awareness, of course. And for that you have to have a website where the key questions are responded in completely different ways, understandable ones, layman's terms; likewise, no matter what anyone else does and how they achieve 5000% in price overnight, you stick to the plan, through thick and thin. The leit motive should be "what you  see is what you get": Community, honesty, transparency. We are the good guys. Take it or leave. If you are looking for technical innovation, next door on the left; anonymity, end of the corridor, on the right, not here. We want people to USE crypto, to invest in CLEAN crypto, to support HONEST, TRANSPARENT and LEGAL (when it happens) crypto. We cannot guarantee you will not lose money nor we can guarantee that you will make lots of it, but we DO guarantee HONESTY, TRANSPARENCY and, when available, COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS.

I am firmly convinced both the community and newcomers will respond to such simple and committed plan.

I hope I have answered your petition.

I get your points and I agree we could do these things better and we will.  Thank you for the thoughtful response.

Sorry Doug but no, you do not get it. That's why this approach, although I appreciate it, is futile. The Windows wallet still doesn't work properly so what is the  point in denying it? I don't understand. The multi-pool is a mess --- and not even counting the "efficiency" of that algo that determines when to buy at the best price. These are basic things for many people heavily invested in Vericoin. They may not be vocal, but their actions speak louder than any words. Once again, no solution is possible, even to this simple but very important problems, without previous acknowledgement that the problems DO exist.

I understand they are your children, and we all know how we are about our children, ok? But neither Veribit nor Verisms serve any practical purpose. You insist in not acknowledging it but everyone knows it and has already reacted to it. Verisms, if offered, has to be at a level of usefulness that is very far from current usability. Just copy boxxa and get done with it. At least would be a bit more usable for the dozen, altogether, people that they will use it worldwide. We can talk and be civil about this for hours, days, weeks or months and reality will not change the facts. Hopefully it will change your absurd defense of the utopy that they represent.

And, clearly, state that we are not aiming in any near or even mid term, to either aunt Emma or Joe Sixpack. We are aiming at the active population worldwide:18-50. Computer savvy, learned and active. With finances to protect and further. Which have reasons, everyday reasons, to hate banks and credit cards. We are not going to give them any more plastic, any more intermediaries... if we give them a card (and we should have done this so many weeks ago already) it will have a VRC wallet in it and they will pay no fees, OK?

Finally, when I say ENGAGE the community and LISTEN to it. I am not talking listening to the cheerleaders without any knowledge or experience. That's the opposite of positive. You have a "community marketing team"... who is in it? a designer that cannot get a job designing, a coinmaker that knows nothing or anything, a guy with experience in marketing -maybe- whose ideas are suited for corporations and products that have nothing to do with the dynamism and immediacy of the crypto world, the one that requires a "solid plan". What is a "solid plan" in his mind, have you asked? There's no "solid plan" that doesn't require LOADS of money to carry out. Do we have it? No Then, the whole idea of the "solid plan" is yet another pipe dream. Should the lack of this utopic "solid plan" put an end to carry out a non-solid plan based on immediate resources available? Well you, specifically, did.

Anyway, like I have posted so many times, it is running in circles. Unfortunately.

I know you mean well, you are just not willing to admit that your children are neither the most beautiful nor the most talented of the school. Which is human, albeit shortsighted. And, letting the metaphor aside, quite damaging for Vericoin.

Lollollollol Children..

Perfect response.

Ya made my day BarabbASS

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August 25, 2014, 11:13:49 PM
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I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but specific suggestions to use moving forward proactively.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

I have posted it so many times it is beyond repetitive at this point, but once more, since you ask nicely, here it goes:

1.- Clearly state the aim, the goal... AND STICK TO IT and ONLY to it. If you state that goal is "worldwide mass adoption", stick to that. And by stick to it I mean you cannot be bothered with absurdities and niche features such as anon, decentralized exchanges and whatever else the coin of the week is peddling.

-Worldwide mass adoption - yes, namely usability and accessibility  (eg. VeriSMS (send/receive nearly anywhere), VeriBit (spend many places), VeriCard (spend nearly anywhere)).  

-Mintpal showed us we could really use a decentralized exchange.

-Usernames requires extra privacy technology otherwise anyone could be big brother, not just the most well funded investigators.


2.- Get whatever you determine you need, WORKING. NOW. No excuses. No ifs, no buts. Wallets. Do it or get it done. Yesterday. Multi-pool, likewise.

-Everything we absolutely need is working now and it's much more than litecoin has for instance.  Good new technology takes some time and cannot all be done now.

3.- Once 1 and 2 are set, ENGAGE enthusiastically the community in the vision, the project and ask for help -AND LISTEN TO IT- to move it forward.

We have a community marketing team, I engage more often and more enthusiastically than most devs.  This is an example of me asking for help and listening.

Simple 3 steps, aren't they. And a world of difference nevertheless.

Now, there are bondages in setting a "simple" goal. You cannot set a lofty goal such a "worldwide mass adoption" and pretend to achieve any significant level of that adoption while the entire crypto is in volatile turmoil, let alone your coin. You start with the baby steps of awareness, of course. And for that you have to have a website where the key questions are responded in completely different ways, understandable ones, layman's terms; likewise, no matter what anyone else does and how they achieve 5000% in price overnight, you stick to the plan, through thick and thin. The leit motive should be "what you  see is what you get": Community, honesty, transparency. We are the good guys. Take it or leave. If you are looking for technical innovation, next door on the left; anonymity, end of the corridor, on the right, not here. We want people to USE crypto, to invest in CLEAN crypto, to support HONEST, TRANSPARENT and LEGAL (when it happens) crypto. We cannot guarantee you will not lose money nor we can guarantee that you will make lots of it, but we DO guarantee HONESTY, TRANSPARENCY and, when available, COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS.

I am firmly convinced both the community and newcomers will respond to such simple and committed plan.

I hope I have answered your petition.

I get your points and I agree we could do these things better and we will.  Thank you for the thoughtful response.

Sorry Doug but no, you do not get it. That's why this approach, although I appreciate it, is futile. The Windows wallet still doesn't work properly so what is the  point in denying it? I don't understand. The multi-pool is a mess --- and not even counting the "efficiency" of that algo that determines when to buy at the best price. These are basic things for many people heavily invested in Vericoin. They may not be vocal, but their actions speak louder than any words. Once again, no solution is possible, even to this simple but very important problems, without previous acknowledgement that the problems DO exist.

I understand they are your children, and we all know how we are about our children, ok? But neither Veribit nor Verisms serve any practical purpose. You insist in not acknowledging it but everyone knows it and has already reacted to it. Verisms, if offered, has to be at a level of usefulness that is very far from current usability. Just copy boxxa and get done with it. At least would be a bit more usable for the dozen, altogether, people that they will use it worldwide. We can talk and be civil about this for hours, days, weeks or months and reality will not change the facts. Hopefully it will change your absurd defense of the utopy that they represent.

And, clearly, state that we are not aiming in any near or even mid term, to either aunt Emma or Joe Sixpack. We are aiming at the active population worldwide:18-50. Computer savvy, learned and active. With finances to protect and further. Which have reasons, everyday reasons, to hate banks and credit cards. We are not going to give them any more plastic, any more intermediaries... if we give them a card (and we should have done this so many weeks ago already) it will have a VRC wallet in it and they will pay no fees, OK?

Finally, when I say ENGAGE the community and LISTEN to it. I am not talking listening to the cheerleaders without any knowledge or experience. That's the opposite of positive. You have a "community marketing team"... who is in it? a designer that cannot get a job designing, a coinmaker that knows nothing or anything, a guy with experience in marketing -maybe- whose ideas are suited for corporations and products that have nothing to do with the dynamism and immediacy of the crypto world, the one that requires a "solid plan". What is a "solid plan" in his mind, have you asked? There's no "solid plan" that doesn't require LOADS of money to carry out. Do we have it? No Then, the whole idea of the "solid plan" is yet another pipe dream. Should the lack of this utopic "solid plan" put an end to carry out a non-solid plan based on immediate resources available? Well you, specifically, did.

Anyway, like I have posted so many times, it is running in circles. Unfortunately.

I know you mean well, you are just not willing to admit that your children are neither the most beautiful nor the most talented of the school. Which is human, albeit shortsighted. And, letting the metaphor aside, quite damaging for Vericoin.

It seems your tone changed when everyone thought the WVD couldn't happen on the 30th of August.  Why didn't you listen to the entire community at that point?  P.S. I still think it's a good idea.  Yes 18-50 is a good target age and type you mentioned.  What is not functional about the windows wallet?
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August 25, 2014, 11:17:17 PM
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I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but specific suggestions to use moving forward proactively.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

I have posted it so many times it is beyond repetitive at this point, but once more, since you ask nicely, here it goes:

1.- Clearly state the aim, the goal... AND STICK TO IT and ONLY to it. If you state that goal is "worldwide mass adoption", stick to that. And by stick to it I mean you cannot be bothered with absurdities and niche features such as anon, decentralized exchanges and whatever else the coin of the week is peddling.

-Worldwide mass adoption - yes, namely usability and accessibility  (eg. VeriSMS (send/receive nearly anywhere), VeriBit (spend many places), VeriCard (spend nearly anywhere)). 

-Mintpal showed us we could really use a decentralized exchange.

-Usernames requires extra privacy technology otherwise anyone could be big brother, not just the most well funded investigators.


2.- Get whatever you determine you need, WORKING. NOW. No excuses. No ifs, no buts. Wallets. Do it or get it done. Yesterday. Multi-pool, likewise.

-Everything we absolutely need is working now and it's much more than litecoin has for instance.  Good new technology takes some time and cannot all be done now.

3.- Once 1 and 2 are set, ENGAGE enthusiastically the community in the vision, the project and ask for help -AND LISTEN TO IT- to move it forward.

We have a community marketing team, I engage more often and more enthusiastically than most devs.  This is an example of me asking for help and listening.

Simple 3 steps, aren't they. And a world of difference nevertheless.

Now, there are bondages in setting a "simple" goal. You cannot set a lofty goal such a "worldwide mass adoption" and pretend to achieve any significant level of that adoption while the entire crypto is in volatile turmoil, let alone your coin. You start with the baby steps of awareness, of course. And for that you have to have a website where the key questions are responded in completely different ways, understandable ones, layman's terms; likewise, no matter what anyone else does and how they achieve 5000% in price overnight, you stick to the plan, through thick and thin. The leit motive should be "what you  see is what you get": Community, honesty, transparency. We are the good guys. Take it or leave. If you are looking for technical innovation, next door on the left; anonymity, end of the corridor, on the right, not here. We want people to USE crypto, to invest in CLEAN crypto, to support HONEST, TRANSPARENT and LEGAL (when it happens) crypto. We cannot guarantee you will not lose money nor we can guarantee that you will make lots of it, but we DO guarantee HONESTY, TRANSPARENCY and, when available, COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS.

I am firmly convinced both the community and newcomers will respond to such simple and committed plan.

I hope I have answered your petition.

I get your points and I agree we could do these things better and we will.  Thank you for the thoughtful response.

Sorry Doug but no, you do not get it. That's why this approach, although I appreciate it, is futile. The Windows wallet still doesn't work properly so what is the  point in denying it? I don't understand. The multi-pool is a mess --- and not even counting the "efficiency" of that algo that determines when to buy at the best price. These are basic things for many people heavily invested in Vericoin. They may not be vocal, but their actions speak louder than any words. Once again, no solution is possible, even to this simple but very important problems, without previous acknowledgement that the problems DO exist.

I understand they are your children, and we all know how we are about our children, ok? But neither Veribit nor Verisms serve any practical purpose. You insist in not acknowledging it but everyone knows it and has already reacted to it. Verisms, if offered, has to be at a level of usefulness that is very far from current usability. Just copy boxxa and get done with it. At least would be a bit more usable for the dozen, altogether, people that they will use it worldwide. We can talk and be civil about this for hours, days, weeks or months and reality will not change the facts. Hopefully it will change your absurd defense of the utopy that they represent.

And, clearly, state that we are not aiming in any near or even mid term, to either aunt Emma or Joe Sixpack. We are aiming at the active population worldwide:18-50. Computer savvy, learned and active. With finances to protect and further. Which have reasons, everyday reasons, to hate banks and credit cards. We are not going to give them any more plastic, any more intermediaries... if we give them a card (and we should have done this so many weeks ago already) it will have a VRC wallet in it and they will pay no fees, OK?

Finally, when I say ENGAGE the community and LISTEN to it. I am not talking listening to the cheerleaders without any knowledge or experience. That's the opposite of positive. You have a "community marketing team"... who is in it? a designer that cannot get a job designing, a coinmaker that knows nothing or anything, a guy with experience in marketing -maybe- whose ideas are suited for corporations and products that have nothing to do with the dynamism and immediacy of the crypto world, the one that requires a "solid plan". What is a "solid plan" in his mind, have you asked? There's no "solid plan" that doesn't require LOADS of money to carry out. Do we have it? No Then, the whole idea of the "solid plan" is yet another pipe dream. Should the lack of this utopic "solid plan" put an end to carry out a non-solid plan based on immediate resources available? Well you, specifically, did.

Anyway, like I have posted so many times, it is running in circles. Unfortunately.

I know you mean well, you are just not willing to admit that your children are neither the most beautiful nor the most talented of the school. Which is human, albeit shortsighted. And, letting the metaphor aside, quite damaging for Vericoin.
well barabbas it is what it is... he answered you and you responded and you just don't see eye to eye... you got what u needed to give up on vericoin... so if you've come to the conclusion that they disagree with you ,theres no point in you continuing this and u should prob move on to another coin u feel fits your needs and opinions.. i saw u mentioned before u are heavily invested in vrc... i will gladly buy your coins if you want out or you can dump them on the market and crash the price in which i myself will take advantage .. I'm not being rude or cheerleading or trying to bash you in any way .. just really want to know why if you know you don't see eye to eye with the devs and where the coin is heading, why you stick around?
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August 25, 2014, 11:20:24 PM
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I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but specific suggestions to use moving forward proactively.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

Concise.



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I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but specific suggestions to use moving forward proactively.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

I have posted it so many times it is beyond repetitive at this point, but once more, since you ask nicely, here it goes:

1.- Clearly state the aim, the goal... AND STICK TO IT and ONLY to it. If you state that goal is "worldwide mass adoption", stick to that. And by stick to it I mean you cannot be bothered with absurdities and niche features such as anon, decentralized exchanges and whatever else the coin of the week is peddling.

-Worldwide mass adoption - yes, namely usability and accessibility  (eg. VeriSMS (send/receive nearly anywhere), VeriBit (spend many places), VeriCard (spend nearly anywhere)).  

-Mintpal showed us we could really use a decentralized exchange.

-Usernames requires extra privacy technology otherwise anyone could be big brother, not just the most well funded investigators.


2.- Get whatever you determine you need, WORKING. NOW. No excuses. No ifs, no buts. Wallets. Do it or get it done. Yesterday. Multi-pool, likewise.

-Everything we absolutely need is working now and it's much more than litecoin has for instance.  Good new technology takes some time and cannot all be done now.

3.- Once 1 and 2 are set, ENGAGE enthusiastically the community in the vision, the project and ask for help -AND LISTEN TO IT- to move it forward.

We have a community marketing team, I engage more often and more enthusiastically than most devs.  This is an example of me asking for help and listening.

Simple 3 steps, aren't they. And a world of difference nevertheless.

Now, there are bondages in setting a "simple" goal. You cannot set a lofty goal such a "worldwide mass adoption" and pretend to achieve any significant level of that adoption while the entire crypto is in volatile turmoil, let alone your coin. You start with the baby steps of awareness, of course. And for that you have to have a website where the key questions are responded in completely different ways, understandable ones, layman's terms; likewise, no matter what anyone else does and how they achieve 5000% in price overnight, you stick to the plan, through thick and thin. The leit motive should be "what you  see is what you get": Community, honesty, transparency. We are the good guys. Take it or leave. If you are looking for technical innovation, next door on the left; anonymity, end of the corridor, on the right, not here. We want people to USE crypto, to invest in CLEAN crypto, to support HONEST, TRANSPARENT and LEGAL (when it happens) crypto. We cannot guarantee you will not lose money nor we can guarantee that you will make lots of it, but we DO guarantee HONESTY, TRANSPARENCY and, when available, COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS.

I am firmly convinced both the community and newcomers will respond to such simple and committed plan.

I hope I have answered your petition.

I get your points and I agree we could do these things better and we will.  Thank you for the thoughtful response.

Sorry Doug but no, you do not get it. That's why this approach, although I appreciate it, is futile. The Windows wallet still doesn't work properly so what is the  point in denying it? I don't understand. The multi-pool is a mess --- and not even counting the "efficiency" of that algo that determines when to buy at the best price. These are basic things for many people heavily invested in Vericoin. They may not be vocal, but their actions speak louder than any words. Once again, no solution is possible, even to this simple but very important problems, without previous acknowledgement that the problems DO exist.

I understand they are your children, and we all know how we are about our children, ok? But neither Veribit nor Verisms serve any practical purpose. You insist in not acknowledging it but everyone knows it and has already reacted to it. Verisms, if offered, has to be at a level of usefulness that is very far from current usability. Just copy boxxa and get done with it. At least would be a bit more usable for the dozen, altogether, people that they will use it worldwide. We can talk and be civil about this for hours, days, weeks or months and reality will not change the facts. Hopefully it will change your absurd defense of the utopy that they represent.

And, clearly, state that we are not aiming in any near or even mid term, to either aunt Emma or Joe Sixpack. We are aiming at the active population worldwide:18-50. Computer savvy, learned and active. With finances to protect and further. Which have reasons, everyday reasons, to hate banks and credit cards. We are not going to give them any more plastic, any more intermediaries... if we give them a card (and we should have done this so many weeks ago already) it will have a VRC wallet in it and they will pay no fees, OK?

Finally, when I say ENGAGE the community and LISTEN to it. I am not talking listening to the cheerleaders without any knowledge or experience. That's the opposite of positive. You have a "community marketing team"... who is in it? a designer that cannot get a job designing, a coinmaker that knows nothing or anything, a guy with experience in marketing -maybe- whose ideas are suited for corporations and products that have nothing to do with the dynamism and immediacy of the crypto world, the one that requires a "solid plan". What is a "solid plan" in his mind, have you asked? There's no "solid plan" that doesn't require LOADS of money to carry out. Do we have it? No Then, the whole idea of the "solid plan" is yet another pipe dream. Should the lack of this utopic "solid plan" put an end to carry out a non-solid plan based on immediate resources available? Well you, specifically, did.

Anyway, like I have posted so many times, it is running in circles. Unfortunately.

I know you mean well, you are just not willing to admit that your children are neither the most beautiful nor the most talented of the school. Which is human, albeit shortsighted. And, letting the metaphor aside, quite damaging for Vericoin.

It seems your tone changed when everyone thought the WVD couldn't happen on the 30th of August.  Why didn't you listen to the entire community at that point?  P.S. I still think it's a good idea.  Yes 18-50 is a good target age and type you mentioned.  What is not functional about the windows wallet?

It doesn't "seem", it indeed IS. And no, "everyone" did not think that it couldn't happen on the 30th, YOU did. And Mr solid plan. Your perception of "entire community" is quite loose, also.  And yes it is quite frustrating because instead of being hitting new lows, we would be above 3 million capitalization at this point and with THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY rallying enthusiastically behind WVD in 5 days with constant photo/video updates of progress and ideas taking place in the 'round 20 biggest cities of the world.

Instead, we have quite a grim reality, don't you think?

But hey, it was going to be a "failure", right? And we need to avoid those... OK, enough. No need to dwell and it will necessarily produce non-civil  outcomes.
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There are reasons why the market price is what it is. REAL reasons.

One of the reasons must be the lack of work from the vericoin devs. No real work has been delivering for long. CLOAK is the best example that the hard or even little work pay off. It was just a rather simple CLOAK white paper released and the market response is very positive. I am happy for that and I could sell the CLOAK at 40k which I bought at 22k, but why there is no such work from the vericoin devs? Are they just incapable to deliver, not enough time for work or are they just lazy? It would be nice to see vercioin progress as other coins do and the easiest way to achieve that via working on the software.

So your comparing a white paper to solid development releases?

Edit - last time I checked Cloak was dumped with every other coin over the last 2 weeks, was down %80. Just sounds like you want to day trade, I guess we are looking for two different things here. I'm looking for a longterm profit in Vericoin, not a quick flip for profit. I'm looking for the next Bitcoin!

I have discussed that with Pnosker and other why Vericoin can't be the next Bitcoin a few days back - let me not repeat myself again and again.

The only coin I am not day traded so far is vercioin, so it is not about day trading.

There are no "solid development releases" from vericoin. There are no development at all. (The Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS don't count because they are useless, lame ideas)

Why did you buy in if you don't like our primary features?

I see ... so go back to the non-constructive discussion and not talking about your own question about the features, my answer about the white paper, right, and you aren't trolling?

But since you asked it, let me write here again, what I said here not long time ago by answering Pnosker's very similar question. I did not buy into your coin being excited about Veribit, VeriSMS and Verisend. I bought it just like many hundred investors because of your academic background, that you pulled out the transparency card which was obviously unique at the time in altcoin and most importantly because we assumed your academic background indicates skills, software development experience so you an compile a QT wallet, flexibility, you are able to deal with the problems you face during such project and adaptability when you need to change direction. We assumed the very skill set that would be necessary precisely these days, when your theme fails and the market don't value at all your direction. You presented your CV and skills, and we bought in trusting you will be able to pull off this project, because you are a level headed professional, you won't be arrogant and you won't be attached to your not working ideas such as Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS, the features that have 6 users combined worldwide.

Now, let me know your answer about the white paper, when it will be released?

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There are reasons why the market price is what it is. REAL reasons.

One of the reasons must be the lack of work from the vericoin devs. No real work has been delivering for long. CLOAK is the best example that the hard or even little work pay off. It was just a rather simple CLOAK white paper released and the market response is very positive. I am happy for that and I could sell the CLOAK at 40k which I bought at 22k, but why there is no such work from the vericoin devs? Are they just incapable to deliver, not enough time for work or are they just lazy? It would be nice to see vercioin progress as other coins do and the easiest way to achieve that via working on the software.

So your comparing a white paper to solid development releases?

Edit - last time I checked Cloak was dumped with every other coin over the last 2 weeks, was down %80. Just sounds like you want to day trade, I guess we are looking for two different things here. I'm looking for a longterm profit in Vericoin, not a quick flip for profit. I'm looking for the next Bitcoin!

I have discussed that with Pnosker and other why Vericoin can't be the next Bitcoin a few days back - let me not repeat myself again and again.

The only coin I am not day traded so far is vercioin, so it is not about day trading.

There are no "solid development releases" from vericoin. There are no development at all. (The Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS don't count because they are useless, lame ideas)

Why did you buy in if you don't like our primary features?

I see ... so go back to the non-constructive discussion and not talking about your own question about the features, my answer about the white paper, right, and you aren't trolling?

But since you asked it, let me write here again, what I said here not long time ago by answering Pnosker's very similar question. I did not buy into your coin being excited about Veribit, VeriSMS and Verisend. I bought it just like many hundred investors because of your academic background, that you pulled out the transparency card which was obviously unique at the time in altcoin and most importantly because we assumed your academic background indicates skills, software development experience so you an compile a QT wallet, flexibility, you are able to deal with the problems you face during such project and adaptability when you need to change direction. We assumed the very skill set that would be necessary precisely these days, when your theme fails and the market don't value at all your direction. You presented your CV and skills, and we bought in trusting you will be able to pull off this project, because you are a level headed professional, you won't be arrogant and you won't be attached to your not working ideas such as Veribit, Verisend and VeriSMS, the features that have 6 users combines worldwide.

Now, let me know your answer about the white paper, when it will be released?


This was an honest question with civility, I'm trying to understand.  I see why you came on board now.  Though rather than assume a behavior pattern based on a profile of some kind, it is more practical to look at the feature set released for evidence about future behaviors of the developers.  I appreciate your thirst for transparency, honesty and skill.  We strive to achieve this.  I cannot give an ETA on whitepaper. check roadmap for completion percentage, it will be updated soon.
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I need to get back to development now, I will check later for a post from buy4crypto and further discussions.
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I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but specific suggestions to use moving forward proactively.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

Well although you didn´t say anything about luisb, luisb would really appreciate if you answer to the questions aunt Emma and Joe Sixpack were asking you in response to your suggestion about using VRC instead Paypal and CCs for online purchases

1. Why should we take the risk of using vericoin if we already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers us security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?

2. Didn´t lose vericoin 80% of its value in a month?(BIG TURN OFF) I think is very risky to send my FIAT and my passport copy to a website called moolah or mintpal or you name it (YES ANOTHER BIG TURN OFF) and buy a string of code that can loose 80% value in a month, dont you think nephew? or is it really worthy taking that risk??

3. I prefer spending 2$ a month and have the possibility to charge back and have credit if i need it or use my Paypal account at zero cost and no risk of losing any money for price fluctuations...


There are no bailouts in digital currency, no hyper-inflation, much less fees, no counterfeiting.  Bitcoin in 2012 dropped 90%, it would have been a good move to get in when it was low.


So to the question aunt Emma and Joe Sixpack are asking you

1. Why should we take the risk of using vericoin if we already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers us security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?

Your quite arrogant answer is

There are no bailouts in digital currency, no hyper-inflation, much less fees, no counterfeiting.  Bitcoin in 2012 dropped 90%, it would have been a good move to get in when it was low.

First of all, using a big font it makes you look like you are yelling, do you think you are going to convince aunt fucking Emma and Joe Bollocks because your font is bigger? *sic* And you pretend starting a dialog with such an arrogant response??

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There are no bailouts in digital currency


You mean like the mintpal bailout??

And you pretend they will stop using Paypal and CCs because they share your same ideological motives?? OMG


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no hyper-inflation

Have you been sleeping in a bubble when vericoin lost 80% of value? Wouldn´t you call that hyperdevaluation? Who gives a heck about hyperinflation when we have 80% currency devaluation?

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Bitcoin in 2012 dropped 90%, it would have been a good move to get in when it was low

What the f*ck has that to do with convincing aunt Emma and Joe Sixpack to stop using Paypal and CCs for online payments and switching to vericoin?

Are you fuckin serious?

So your strategy is trying to convince Joe 1500 dollars a month Sixpack and low middle class aunt Emma to "invest" in vericoin for long term?? hahaha

Are you for real?? That was a joke wasn´t it?





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I would like to hear what altcoinUK, buy4crypto and Barrabas would like us to do in concise steps that explain clearly your recommendations moving forward.  Not criticism at this point, but specific suggestions to use moving forward proactively.  This way I can better understand what you feel has gone unheard regarding proactive action that can be taken.  Thanks.

Well although you didn´t say anything about luisb, luisb would really appreciate if you answer to the questions aunt Emma and Joe Sixpack were asking you in response to your suggestion about using VRC instead Paypal and CCs for online purchases

1. Why should we take the risk of using vericoin if we already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers us security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?

2. Didn´t lose vericoin 80% of its value in a month?(BIG TURN OFF) I think is very risky to send my FIAT and my passport copy to a website called moolah or mintpal or you name it (YES ANOTHER BIG TURN OFF) and buy a string of code that can loose 80% value in a month, dont you think nephew? or is it really worthy taking that risk??

3. I prefer spending 2$ a month and have the possibility to charge back and have credit if i need it or use my Paypal account at zero cost and no risk of losing any money for price fluctuations...


There are no bailouts in digital currency, no hyper-inflation, much less fees, no counterfeiting.  Bitcoin in 2012 dropped 90%, it would have been a good move to get in when it was low.


So to the question aunt Emma and Joe Sixpack are asking you

1. Why should we take the risk of using vericoin if we already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers us security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?

Your quite arrogant answer is

There are no bailouts in digital currency, no hyper-inflation, much less fees, no counterfeiting.  Bitcoin in 2012 dropped 90%, it would have been a good move to get in when it was low.

First of all, using a big font it makes you look like you are yelling, do you think you are going to convince aunt fucking Emma and Joe Bollocks because your font is bigger? *sic* And you pretend starting a dialog with such an arrogant response??

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There are no bailouts in digital currency


You mean like the mintpal bailout??

And you pretend they will stop using Paypal and CCs because they share your same ideological motives?? OMG


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no hyper-inflation

Have you been sleeping in a bubble when vericoin lost 80% of value? Wouldn´t you call that hyperinflation?

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Bitcoin in 2012 dropped 90%, it would have been a good move to get in when it was low

What the f*ck has that to do with convincing aunt Emma and Joe Sixpack stop using Paypal and CCs for online payments and switching to vericoin?

Are you fuckin serious?

So your strategy is trying to convince them to "invest" in vericoin for long term?? hahaha

Are you for real?? That was a joke wasn´t it?







Quick question for you...when do you think Crypto Currency will become mainstream?

He answered your questions perfectly...let me clarify it for you!

1. No bailouts...as in no big banks being bailed out for breaking the law, No Hyper-inflation...20% decrease in buying power a year with USD, No Fees or Much less and No Conterfeiting...as in fraud.

Now how are these arrogant responses? They are all true...

2.No bailouts...uhm if you've been living under a rock maybe this will help you http://useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/a/govt_bailout.htm

I'm not sure what the rest of your post is trying to say...maybe take a deep breath?
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altcoinUK and Barrabas Thank you.  Cheesy

You guys gave clear feedback and some solutions. This was good to see us civil for a change.

 
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well barabbas it is what it is... he answered you and you responded and you just don't see eye to eye... you got what u needed to give up on vericoin... so if you've come to the conclusion that they disagree with you ,theres no point in you continuing this and u should prob move on to another coin u feel fits your needs and opinions.. i saw u mentioned before u are heavily invested in vrc... i will gladly buy your coins if you want out or you can dump them on the market and crash the price in which i myself will take advantage .. I'm not being rude or cheerleading or trying to bash you in any way .. just really want to know why if you know you don't see eye to eye with the devs and where the coin is heading, why you stick around?

Please don't send Barrabas away from here,

Pro primo, he had already many very good suggestions, he had correctly analysed the issues and provided the project with solutions.
Pro secundo, Barrabas by far is the most entertaining writer on the whole BCT forum :-))
Pro tertio, even he sells his coin he might want to be here to educate potential new investors about the coin, to talk about the community and developers, and doing that purely from moral viewpoint as a right thing to do, wouldn't be that useful for everyone?
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August 26, 2014, 12:17:58 AM
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well barabbas it is what it is... he answered you and you responded and you just don't see eye to eye... you got what u needed to give up on vericoin... so if you've come to the conclusion that they disagree with you ,theres no point in you continuing this and u should prob move on to another coin u feel fits your needs and opinions.. i saw u mentioned before u are heavily invested in vrc... i will gladly buy your coins if you want out or you can dump them on the market and crash the price in which i myself will take advantage .. I'm not being rude or cheerleading or trying to bash you in any way .. just really want to know why if you know you don't see eye to eye with the devs and where the coin is heading, why you stick around?

Please don't send Barrabas away from here,

Pro primo, he had already many very good suggestions, he had correctly analysed the issues and provided the project with solutions.
Pro secundo, Barrabas by far is the most entertaining writer on the whole BCT forum :-))
Pro tertio, even he sells his coin he might want to be here to educate potential new investors about the coin, to talk about the community and developers, and doing that purely from moral viewpoint as a right thing to do, wouldn't be that useful for everyone?
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well barabbas it is what it is... he answered you and you responded and you just don't see eye to eye... you got what u needed to give up on vericoin... so if you've come to the conclusion that they disagree with you ,theres no point in you continuing this and u should prob move on to another coin u feel fits your needs and opinions.. i saw u mentioned before u are heavily invested in vrc... i will gladly buy your coins if you want out or you can dump them on the market and crash the price in which i myself will take advantage .. I'm not being rude or cheerleading or trying to bash you in any way .. just really want to know why if you know you don't see eye to eye with the devs and where the coin is heading, why you stick around?

Please don't send Barrabas away from here,

Pro primo, he had already many very good suggestions, he had correctly analysed the issues and provided the project with solutions.
Pro secundo, Barrabas by far is the most entertaining writer on the whole BCT forum :-))
Pro tertio, even he sells his coin he might want to be here to educate potential new investors about the coin, to talk about the community and developers, and doing that purely from moral viewpoint as a right thing to do, wouldn't be that useful for everyone?
id agree but he just doesn't see eye to eye with the devs and he gets very angry about it..sometimes u just need to walk away from things...id love for him to stay especially if he always refrains himself from getting aggressive , but he knows now from the convo he and effects just had that they both see it differently so why pursue something that will never be reality.. thats all I'm saying..
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Quick question for you...when do you think Crypto Currency will become mainstream?

He answered your questions perfectly...let me clarify it for you!

1. No bailouts...as in no big banks being bailed out for breaking the law, No Hyper-inflation...20% decrease in buying power a year with USD, No Fees or Much less and No Conterfeiting...as in fraud.

So you prefer 80% decrease in buying power a month?? Please explain because I can´t believe you´re so retarded
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August 26, 2014, 12:36:54 AM
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Quick question for you...when do you think Crypto Currency will become mainstream?

He answered your questions perfectly...let me clarify it for you!

1. No bailouts...as in no big banks being bailed out for breaking the law, No Hyper-inflation...20% decrease in buying power a year with USD, No Fees or Much less and No Conterfeiting...as in fraud.

So you prefer 80% decrease in buying power a month?? Please explain because I can´t believe you´re so retarded

USD has been decreasing for over +50 years...this currency has only been around for 3.5 months my friend, I'm not worried! This market is volatile, bitcoin is a prime example of what can happen.

Your $100 USD dollars today would be worth $10 in 1950
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1. No bailouts...as in no big banks being bailed out for breaking the law, No Hyper-inflation...20% decrease in buying power a year with USD, No Fees or Much less and No Conterfeiting...as in fraud.

You mean no bailouts... as in no exchanges being bailed out for being incompetent??

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2.No bailouts...uhm if you've been living under a rock maybe this will help you http://useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/a/govt_bailout.htm

I'm not sure what the rest of your post is trying to say...maybe take a deep breath?

Did you just link to a content farm known as about.com? HAHAHAHA
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