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August 26, 2014, 05:36:55 PM
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There are reasons why the market price is what it is. REAL reasons.

One of the reasons must be the lack of work from the vericoin devs. No real work has been delivering for long. CLOAK is the best example that the hard or even little work pay off. It was just a rather simple CLOAK white paper released and the market response is very positive. I am happy for that and I could sell the CLOAK at 40k which I bought at 22k, but why there is no such work from the vericoin devs? Are they just incapable to deliver, not enough time for work or are they just lazy? It would be nice to see vercioin progress as other coins do and the easiest way to achieve that via working on the software.

So your comparing a white paper to solid development releases?

Edit - last time I checked Cloak was dumped with every other coin over the last 2 weeks, was down %80. Just sounds like you want to day trade, I guess we are looking for two different things here. I'm looking for a longterm profit in Vericoin, not a quick flip for profit. I'm looking for the next Bitcoin!
Not every coin.  The coin that Dev4 runs is up 300% alone since I first proposed his addition to this community and up over 1,000% since he joined that coin, but I was attacked or laughed at when I told the community how to land the best Dev in all of crypto.  He could do the same for our coin and our Devs have known about him for weeks now and have not even tried to contact him once.  I guess that's my answer.

There was serious talk with @effects about Dev4 yesterday in IRC. He wanted to have a conference call with him with all three Devs, lots of community members where willing to contribute to the Dev4 fund including myself...we will see where this goes. Might be jumping the gun on them saying yes or no...I'm willing to contribute to the fund for Dev4 if I feel comfortable with the escrow and terms. He will have to show his identity to the community tho like the rest of the devs.
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There are reasons why the market price is what it is. REAL reasons.

One of the reasons must be the lack of work from the vericoin devs. No real work has been delivering for long. CLOAK is the best example that the hard or even little work pay off. It was just a rather simple CLOAK white paper released and the market response is very positive. I am happy for that and I could sell the CLOAK at 40k which I bought at 22k, but why there is no such work from the vericoin devs? Are they just incapable to deliver, not enough time for work or are they just lazy? It would be nice to see vercioin progress as other coins do and the easiest way to achieve that via working on the software.

So your comparing a white paper to solid development releases?

Edit - last time I checked Cloak was dumped with every other coin over the last 2 weeks, was down %80. Just sounds like you want to day trade, I guess we are looking for two different things here. I'm looking for a longterm profit in Vericoin, not a quick flip for profit. I'm looking for the next Bitcoin!
Not every coin.  The coin that Dev4 runs is up 300% alone since I first proposed his addition to this community and up over 1,000% since he joined that coin, but I was attacked or laughed at when I told the community how to land the best Dev in all of crypto.  He could do the same for our coin and our Devs have known about him for weeks now and have not even tried to contact him once.  I guess that's my answer.
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Ask your Devs!!  Sick and tired of hand holding idiots.

Dev4 doesn't want his identity know...so how do we do that?
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August 26, 2014, 06:11:15 PM
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There are reasons why the market price is what it is. REAL reasons.

One of the reasons must be the lack of work from the vericoin devs. No real work has been delivering for long. CLOAK is the best example that the hard or even little work pay off. It was just a rather simple CLOAK white paper released and the market response is very positive. I am happy for that and I could sell the CLOAK at 40k which I bought at 22k, but why there is no such work from the vericoin devs? Are they just incapable to deliver, not enough time for work or are they just lazy? It would be nice to see vercioin progress as other coins do and the easiest way to achieve that via working on the software.

So your comparing a white paper to solid development releases?

Edit - last time I checked Cloak was dumped with every other coin over the last 2 weeks, was down %80. Just sounds like you want to day trade, I guess we are looking for two different things here. I'm looking for a longterm profit in Vericoin, not a quick flip for profit. I'm looking for the next Bitcoin!
Not every coin.  The coin that Dev4 runs is up 300% alone since I first proposed his addition to this community and up over 1,000% since he joined that coin, but I was attacked or laughed at when I told the community how to land the best Dev in all of crypto.  He could do the same for our coin and our Devs have known about him for weeks now and have not even tried to contact him once.  I guess that's my answer.
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Ask your Devs!!  Sick and tired of hand holding idiots.

Dev4 doesn't want his identity know...so how do we do that?
INCORRECT.  I have been clear on this from the beginning.  "Dev4 did not want his name mentioned unless it is "official""  That means Official from the Vericoin Devs!  That Means The Vericoin Devs have secured the option funds for him and vouched for the funds by them.  The Vericoin devs need to take the initiative here.

I told DEV4 that the delay was because one of the devs was on vacation and they would discuss it on Sunday the 17th when Doug came back.......but over a week goes by after that Sunday and still no answer from the Vericoin devs, or even an attempt to reach out to Dev4?   Kind of an insult to him.  Especially when we need his help, and tremendous talents........not the other way around.  

Anybody know what wifey material means......that's him.

Sorry, I was on a trip this weekend and got back late due to plane issues. If you can get the new dev's email, can you send it to me? I'd like to open the lines of communication. Thanks!

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August 26, 2014, 06:15:25 PM
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There are reasons why the market price is what it is. REAL reasons.

One of the reasons must be the lack of work from the vericoin devs. No real work has been delivering for long. CLOAK is the best example that the hard or even little work pay off. It was just a rather simple CLOAK white paper released and the market response is very positive. I am happy for that and I could sell the CLOAK at 40k which I bought at 22k, but why there is no such work from the vericoin devs? Are they just incapable to deliver, not enough time for work or are they just lazy? It would be nice to see vercioin progress as other coins do and the easiest way to achieve that via working on the software.

So your comparing a white paper to solid development releases?

Edit - last time I checked Cloak was dumped with every other coin over the last 2 weeks, was down %80. Just sounds like you want to day trade, I guess we are looking for two different things here. I'm looking for a longterm profit in Vericoin, not a quick flip for profit. I'm looking for the next Bitcoin!
Not every coin.  The coin that Dev4 runs is up 300% alone since I first proposed his addition to this community and up over 1,000% since he joined that coin, but I was attacked or laughed at when I told the community how to land the best Dev in all of crypto.  He could do the same for our coin and our Devs have known about him for weeks now and have not even tried to contact him once.  I guess that's my answer.

There was serious talk with @effects about Dev4 yesterday in IRC. He wanted to have a conference call with him with all three Devs, lots of community members where willing to contribute to the Dev4 fund including myself...we will see where this goes. Might be jumping the gun on them saying yes or no...I'm willing to contribute to the fund for Dev4 if I feel comfortable with the escrow and terms. He will have to show his identity to the community tho like the rest of the devs.

I'm also willing to contribute if this guy is approved by the Devs and we have a clear plan in place.

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August 26, 2014, 06:32:15 PM
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What is up with the Windows wallet? Why is the wallet not syncing? I re-installed wallet and rebuilt block chain. I don't remember this being so difficult?

Been gone for a while. Help is appreciated!

do you still have a problem? better go on irc…somebody can help you there..

I backed up my wallet and deleted every trace of vericoin then reinstalled. It seems to be syncing further. Thanks for the concern. I'll let you guys know if I still have trouble.

Now for my two cents...

Vericoin is hands down one of the most ambitious projects I've seen in crypto. Veribit alone makes it worth while and ready for real world use. I would like to see us encourage more development and less entertaining of FUD on this forum. It's easy to get caught up with trolls (competitors) trying to FUD the coin to death. I have full faith in the developers to listen to the community, and seek help rather than listening to cheerleaders and trolls. There are a lot of knowledgable people here with great ideas and strategies. It would do the coin well to implement some of the strategies listed here in the thread.

This has the potential to be THE next big thing in crypto. We need to show our support to Vericoin and it's developers and get the word out. Ignore FUDsters and have patience.

Good work Vericoin Devs!


Now could you please also quote which ideas and strategies you think are good and WHY so you can also contribute to the discussion? Apart of course of "generic" comments without any basis that make you look like another cheerleader though I do not think you are one

Do you think I am one of those "FUDsters"?


1. I don't know you. Your comments never stuck out to me, so I could care less if you were a FUDster or not.
2. The user "buy4crypto"  has very good points. Just to entertain you, here are a few:
  
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-"VeriCoin needs to streamline what it is. Things that are done, need to be done well from the community projects, to developer projects. Communication during times of significance like this between key investors, and product/service leaders is key to being successful. We can create value that we may have overlooked before being complacent in good times. Now we know that promising things, for the sake of keeping momentum is not the way to go about things"

-"I think at this point, our best bet, as a coin is to say what vericoin is. and what it isn't. A nod to what barb said and that we need to be the good guys, its the only unique feature you may even have in crypto, with first mover advantage, and a incident with MP that didn't kill the coin. If harnessing that energy properly it may be able to propel VeriCoin back to great heights.

-"IMO, we should try a strategy related more closely with finding a vision for vericoin, and putting pieces in place to grow our vision. Do it with the same positive attitude, and integrity that you, and the team have shown through this process and IMO VeriCoin will be rewarded."

All of these points are very clear and very right. Vericoin should be focusing on getting the coin used as a currency and developing a clear vision before working on features only elite crypto nerds would understand or want (block-chain 2.0, anonymity)  Features like VeriBit and VeriSMS are a step in the right direction, because it enables regular people to use the coin virtually anywhere. These features needs to be done and operational as of yesterday IMO.

Finally, there is nothing wrong with words of encouragement. Blind faith and devotion without regard to the facts is one thing (cheerleading), but letting people know you believe in their cause/project and offering constructive feedback does wonders. PLus it makes the dev's feel good for what they are doing. Imagine if you worked 80+ hours a week without a "thank you" or "good job, keep it up".

I believe in the Vericoin project, that's why I'm highlighting the points others have made, because those points serve to help the coin grow.

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August 26, 2014, 07:21:54 PM
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There are reasons why the market price is what it is. REAL reasons.

One of the reasons must be the lack of work from the vericoin devs. No real work has been delivering for long. CLOAK is the best example that the hard or even little work pay off. It was just a rather simple CLOAK white paper released and the market response is very positive. I am happy for that and I could sell the CLOAK at 40k which I bought at 22k, but why there is no such work from the vericoin devs? Are they just incapable to deliver, not enough time for work or are they just lazy? It would be nice to see vercioin progress as other coins do and the easiest way to achieve that via working on the software.

So your comparing a white paper to solid development releases?

Edit - last time I checked Cloak was dumped with every other coin over the last 2 weeks, was down %80. Just sounds like you want to day trade, I guess we are looking for two different things here. I'm looking for a longterm profit in Vericoin, not a quick flip for profit. I'm looking for the next Bitcoin!
Not every coin.  The coin that Dev4 runs is up 300% alone since I first proposed his addition to this community and up over 1,000% since he joined that coin, but I was attacked or laughed at when I told the community how to land the best Dev in all of crypto.  He could do the same for our coin and our Devs have known about him for weeks now and have not even tried to contact him once.  I guess that's my answer.
Show some proof
Ask your Devs!!  Sick and tired of hand holding idiots.

Dev4 doesn't want his identity know...so how do we do that?
INCORRECT.  I have been clear on this from the beginning.  "Dev4 did not want his name mentioned unless it is "official""  That means Official from the Vericoin Devs!  That Means The Vericoin Devs have secured the option funds for him and vouched for the funds by them.  The Vericoin devs need to take the initiative here.

I told DEV4 that the delay was because one of the devs was on vacation and they would discuss it on Sunday the 17th when Doug came back.......but over a week goes by after that Sunday and still no answer from the Vericoin devs, or even an attempt to reach out to Dev4?   Kind of an insult to him.  Especially when we need his help, and tremendous talents........not the other way around.  

Anybody know what wifey material means......that's him.

Drkman, I understand your frustration only too well. And, before any other consideration and even though you are trying to do this for your own benefit, since it would benefit us all, I want to thank you for trying and trying really hard.

But perhaps it will give you some solace to know why this has not been done already. It's just an ego thing. Just that. Dev4, if he's to come on board, is going to make the current trio of devs looking very, very bad. Even if he's only partially successful -I'd say even before he actually does anything at all-, the coin will probably triple in value overnight from these absolutely depressed levels. Now, put yourself in  the shoes of the three stooges: They don't need the money. For them the current $15k they have in VRC has the same effect than 4 or more times that much: Not a significant change in their lives at all. And, from their standpoint, VRC is still a success... heck they created it and it is worth, even at these levels, over 1 million dollars. Now someone is going to come and overnight expose in a manner that doesn't admit discussion, their absolute mediocrity and take all the thunder? Fuck that. What will they get, that their stake will be worth maybe $60k instead of $15k? Again, fuck that. They would have PAID much more themselves for being where they are now.

Just arrogance. Ego. That's why they need "vias of communication", "solid plans" and all the rest of the bullshit they spew. They lie, blatantly, when they say Vericoin is a community project; it is THEIR project and they are not going to relinquish that condition, under no circumstances, to the veri end.

Once again thank you for really, really trying. Hope this helps with the frustration while understanding what you are dealing with here.

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August 26, 2014, 07:32:52 PM
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Drkman, I understand your frustration only too well. And, before any other consideration and even though you are trying to do this for your own benefit, since it would benefit us all, I want to thank you for trying and trying really hard.

But perhaps it will give you some solace to know why this has not been done already. It's just an ego thing. Just that. Dev4, if he's to come on board, is going to make the current trio of devs looking very, very bad. Even if he's only partially successful -I'd say even before he actually does anything at all-, the coin will probably triple in value overnight from these absolutely depressed levels. Now, put yourself in  the shoes of the three stooges: They don't need the money. For them the current $15k they have in VRC has the same effect than 4 or more times that much: Not a significant change in their lives at all. And, from their standpoint, VRC is still a success... heck they created it and it is worth, even at these levels, over 1 million dollars. Now someone is going to come and overnight expose in a manner that doesn't admit discussion, their absolute mediocrity and take all the thunder? Fuck that. What will they get, that their stake will be worth maybe $60k instead of $15k? Again, fuck that. They would have PAID much more themselves for being where they are now.

Just arrogance. Ego. That's why they need "vias of communication", "solid plans" and all the rest of the bullshit they spew. They lie, blatantly, when they say Vericoin is a community project; it is THEIR project and they are not going to relinquish that condition, under no circumstances, to the veri end.

Once again thank you for really, really trying. Hope this helps with the frustration while understanding what you are dealing with here.



There's no ego thing going on here... just swamped with various things to do/busy. I have contacted this developer so let's see where it goes. We are more than happy to welcome someone who can help VeriCoin succeed, especially if the code is already built and tested on another platform and could instantly propel VeriCoin to the top in terms of features and use cases. I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but we're tackling a lot right now and get hundreds of emails a day for support, suggestions, complaints, etc. and it's easy for things to take a few days to filter and reply.

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August 26, 2014, 07:46:17 PM
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Cannot believe ppl actually agree with this drkman that its a good idea to just hand over a million coins to someone they dont even know just to pump price.

Me and my team have no problem with the addition of a new developer but if a deal is made that pays him anywhere close to 500k to 1million coins we walk away... for good.

We haven't made any decisions yet, however, the deal doesn't gift the developer a million coins. What drkman worked out, so far, is a deal for the developer to have the right to buy 500k coins at the current price, if the price hits 100k satoshi.

We (the devs) just started communications today, so we obviously don't have anything decided-- whether we will have another developer, payment, etc. Please PM me if you'd like to discuss... we're happy to hear your opinions.

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Drkman, I understand your frustration only too well. And, before any other consideration and even though you are trying to do this for your own benefit, since it would benefit us all, I want to thank you for trying and trying really hard.

But perhaps it will give you some solace to know why this has not been done already. It's just an ego thing. Just that. Dev4, if he's to come on board, is going to make the current trio of devs looking very, very bad. Even if he's only partially successful -I'd say even before he actually does anything at all-, the coin will probably triple in value overnight from these absolutely depressed levels. Now, put yourself in  the shoes of the three stooges: They don't need the money. For them the current $15k they have in VRC has the same effect than 4 or more times that much: Not a significant change in their lives at all. And, from their standpoint, VRC is still a success... heck they created it and it is worth, even at these levels, over 1 million dollars. Now someone is going to come and overnight expose in a manner that doesn't admit discussion, their absolute mediocrity and take all the thunder? Fuck that. What will they get, that their stake will be worth maybe $60k instead of $15k? Again, fuck that. They would have PAID much more themselves for being where they are now.

Just arrogance. Ego. That's why they need "vias of communication", "solid plans" and all the rest of the bullshit they spew. They lie, blatantly, when they say Vericoin is a community project; it is THEIR project and they are not going to relinquish that condition, under no circumstances, to the veri end.

Once again thank you for really, really trying. Hope this helps with the frustration while understanding what you are dealing with here.


There's no ego thing going on here... just swamped with various things to do/busy. I have contacted this developer so let's see where it goes. We are more than happy to welcome someone who can help VeriCoin succeed, especially if the code is already built and tested on another platform and could instantly propel VeriCoin to the top in terms of features and use cases. I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but we're tackling a lot right now and get hundreds of emails a day for support, suggestions, complaints, etc. and it's easy for things to take a few days to filter and reply.


You guys are doing great!  It sucks that the price is shit it talks more to crypto then you guys.  Just keep on the path and things will pick up!  Been here since May not going anywhere anytime soon!!


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  Cannot believe ppl actually agree with this drkman that its a good idea to just hand over a million coins to someone they dont even know just to pump price.

Me and my team have no problem with the addition of a new developer but if a deal is made that pays him anywhere close to 500k to 1million coins we walk away... for good.




i agree .. a proper price has to be negotiated... pnosker just said he wants to contact him and discuss yet ppl still are on his ass... i can imagine the 100s of emails these guys must get ... another dev is a good idea if he has what u say he has to offer..but 500-1mill vrc is robbery, if he's so sure of himself why not settle for a more reasonable price and invest a little at this bottom...if he delivers what u say he can hell make tons of btc...

also arsene lupin... what does you and your team do for vrc? never heard of you guys, obviously your investors but threatening to walk away like u and your team are valuable without even knowing you or seeing you post anything ever, gets me all curious...

 
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Drkman, I understand your frustration only too well. And, before any other consideration and even though you are trying to do this for your own benefit, since it would benefit us all, I want to thank you for trying and trying really hard.

But perhaps it will give you some solace to know why this has not been done already. It's just an ego thing. Just that. Dev4, if he's to come on board, is going to make the current trio of devs looking very, very bad. Even if he's only partially successful -I'd say even before he actually does anything at all-, the coin will probably triple in value overnight from these absolutely depressed levels. Now, put yourself in  the shoes of the three stooges: They don't need the money. For them the current $15k they have in VRC has the same effect than 4 or more times that much: Not a significant change in their lives at all. And, from their standpoint, VRC is still a success... heck they created it and it is worth, even at these levels, over 1 million dollars. Now someone is going to come and overnight expose in a manner that doesn't admit discussion, their absolute mediocrity and take all the thunder? Fuck that. What will they get, that their stake will be worth maybe $60k instead of $15k? Again, fuck that. They would have PAID much more themselves for being where they are now.

Just arrogance. Ego. That's why they need "vias of communication", "solid plans" and all the rest of the bullshit they spew. They lie, blatantly, when they say Vericoin is a community project; it is THEIR project and they are not going to relinquish that condition, under no circumstances, to the veri end.

Once again thank you for really, really trying. Hope this helps with the frustration while understanding what you are dealing with here.



There's no ego thing going on here... just swamped with various things to do/busy. I have contacted this developer so let's see where it goes. We are more than happy to welcome someone who can help VeriCoin succeed, especially if the code is already built and tested on another platform and could instantly propel VeriCoin to the top in terms of features and use cases. I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but we're tackling a lot right now and get hundreds of emails a day for support, suggestions, complaints, etc. and it's easy for things to take a few days to filter and reply.

It's called prioritizing Patrick. Very, very simple. There are things that can wait and they go to the bottom of the pile and there are things that are urgent and matters are resolved and implemented in MINUTES, ok? The way this has been worded, by you, so there's no reason to believe it is not true, this guy is offering you the deal of the century. And, us, investors. There's no second thoughts about it. There's telling the community we have 100k between Drkman and me, the other devs are going to pony up another 100k and we still need 300k to deposit in escrow. End of the story. As soon as the figure is reached, the guy implements and end of story. What the heck has anything else to do to hold this for further conversations? If it is shit what he has, the money is returned to the donors and end of it. We haven't lost anything. There are no discussions, no thinking about it, no shit of any kind.

As for this Arsene Lupin, laughable, simply laughable. I take you Patrick know who he is... is he doing anything other than investing in VRC? You do know that you guys have to enact FULL DISCLOSURE, right? In any event, whatever it is Lupin represents, it is BAD NEWS, the WORSE kind of news possible for Vericoin.
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August 26, 2014, 08:06:36 PM
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Drkman, I understand your frustration only too well. And, before any other consideration and even though you are trying to do this for your own benefit, since it would benefit us all, I want to thank you for trying and trying really hard.

But perhaps it will give you some solace to know why this has not been done already. It's just an ego thing. Just that. Dev4, if he's to come on board, is going to make the current trio of devs looking very, very bad. Even if he's only partially successful -I'd say even before he actually does anything at all-, the coin will probably triple in value overnight from these absolutely depressed levels. Now, put yourself in  the shoes of the three stooges: They don't need the money. For them the current $15k they have in VRC has the same effect than 4 or more times that much: Not a significant change in their lives at all. And, from their standpoint, VRC is still a success... heck they created it and it is worth, even at these levels, over 1 million dollars. Now someone is going to come and overnight expose in a manner that doesn't admit discussion, their absolute mediocrity and take all the thunder? Fuck that. What will they get, that their stake will be worth maybe $60k instead of $15k? Again, fuck that. They would have PAID much more themselves for being where they are now.

Just arrogance. Ego. That's why they need "vias of communication", "solid plans" and all the rest of the bullshit they spew. They lie, blatantly, when they say Vericoin is a community project; it is THEIR project and they are not going to relinquish that condition, under no circumstances, to the veri end.

Once again thank you for really, really trying. Hope this helps with the frustration while understanding what you are dealing with here.



There's no ego thing going on here... just swamped with various things to do/busy. I have contacted this developer so let's see where it goes. We are more than happy to welcome someone who can help VeriCoin succeed, especially if the code is already built and tested on another platform and could instantly propel VeriCoin to the top in terms of features and use cases. I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but we're tackling a lot right now and get hundreds of emails a day for support, suggestions, complaints, etc. and it's easy for things to take a few days to filter and reply.

It's called prioritizing Patrick. Very, very simple. There are things that can wait and they go to the bottom of the pile and there are things that are urgent and matters are resolved and implemented in MINUTES, ok? The way this has been worded, by you, so there's no reason to believe it is not true, this guy is offering you the deal of the century. And, us, investors. There's no second thoughts about it. There's telling the community we have 100k between Drkman and me, the other devs are going to pony up another 100k and we still need 300k to deposit in escrow. End of the story. As soon as the figure is reached, the guy implements and end of story. What the heck has anything else to do to hold this for further conversations? If it is shit what he has, the money is returned to the donors and end of it. We haven't lost anything. There are no discussions, no thinking about it, no shit of any kind.

As for this Arsene Lupin, laughable, simply laughable. I take you Patrick know who he is... is he doing anything other than investing in VRC? You do know that you guys have to enact FULL DISCLOSURE, right? In any event, whatever it is Lupin represents, it is BAD NEWS, the WORSE kind of news possible for Vericoin.

If you'd like to be my secretary, just let me know.

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August 26, 2014, 08:11:08 PM
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  Cannot believe ppl actually agree with this drkman that its a good idea to just hand over a million coins to someone they dont even know just to pump price.

Me and my team have no problem with the addition of a new developer but if a deal is made that pays him anywhere close to 500k to 1million coins we walk away... for good.




i agree .. a proper price has to be negotiated... pnosker just said he wants to contact him and discuss yet ppl still are on his ass... i can imagine the 100s of emails these guys must get ... another dev is a good idea if he has what u say he has to offer..but 500-1mill vrc is robbery, if he's so sure of himself why not settle for a more reasonable price and invest a little at this bottom...if he delivers what u say he can hell make tons of btc...

also arsene lupin... what does you and your team do for vrc? never heard of you guys, obviously your investors but threatening to walk away like u and your team are valuable without even knowing you or seeing you post anything ever, gets me all curious...

 

You should first learn to read man, it's getting ridiculous. @What Patrick just posted that he is offering, is to work entirely FOR FREE, simply reserving the right to buy, at current prices, 500,000 vrc. If and when VRC reaches 0.00100000. Do you get it now? Your stash has to be worth over 12 times current value for him to be able to buy those 500,000 VRC donated at 8200 sat each. No one, but no one will offer such a deal, even if he doesn't have anything to bring in. He will made all of us a ton, literally a ton of money before he can benefit by even a single penny. And when he does, he will give you back what you donated -the cost of your coins, not the coins themselves, of course-, so he will have made you a ton of money  at no cost whatsoever to donors. Or he gets nothing. For instance, if the coin never reaches 0.00100k but reaches 0.00090k, he gets absolutely NOTHING. Either way, this is simply ridiculously, absurdly one sided IN OUR FAVOR. And we are wasting time and not jumping on it immediately, as of two days ago?Huh? What are we nuts?Huh!!!!!
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August 26, 2014, 08:12:12 PM
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Drkman, I understand your frustration only too well. And, before any other consideration and even though you are trying to do this for your own benefit, since it would benefit us all, I want to thank you for trying and trying really hard.

But perhaps it will give you some solace to know why this has not been done already. It's just an ego thing. Just that. Dev4, if he's to come on board, is going to make the current trio of devs looking very, very bad. Even if he's only partially successful -I'd say even before he actually does anything at all-, the coin will probably triple in value overnight from these absolutely depressed levels. Now, put yourself in  the shoes of the three stooges: They don't need the money. For them the current $15k they have in VRC has the same effect than 4 or more times that much: Not a significant change in their lives at all. And, from their standpoint, VRC is still a success... heck they created it and it is worth, even at these levels, over 1 million dollars. Now someone is going to come and overnight expose in a manner that doesn't admit discussion, their absolute mediocrity and take all the thunder? Fuck that. What will they get, that their stake will be worth maybe $60k instead of $15k? Again, fuck that. They would have PAID much more themselves for being where they are now.

Just arrogance. Ego. That's why they need "vias of communication", "solid plans" and all the rest of the bullshit they spew. They lie, blatantly, when they say Vericoin is a community project; it is THEIR project and they are not going to relinquish that condition, under no circumstances, to the veri end.

Once again thank you for really, really trying. Hope this helps with the frustration while understanding what you are dealing with here.



There's no ego thing going on here... just swamped with various things to do/busy. I have contacted this developer so let's see where it goes. We are more than happy to welcome someone who can help VeriCoin succeed, especially if the code is already built and tested on another platform and could instantly propel VeriCoin to the top in terms of features and use cases. I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but we're tackling a lot right now and get hundreds of emails a day for support, suggestions, complaints, etc. and it's easy for things to take a few days to filter and reply.

It's called prioritizing Patrick. Very, very simple. There are things that can wait and they go to the bottom of the pile and there are things that are urgent and matters are resolved and implemented in MINUTES, ok? The way this has been worded, by you, so there's no reason to believe it is not true, this guy is offering you the deal of the century. And, us, investors. There's no second thoughts about it. There's telling the community we have 100k between Drkman and me, the other devs are going to pony up another 100k and we still need 300k to deposit in escrow. End of the story. As soon as the figure is reached, the guy implements and end of story. What the heck has anything else to do to hold this for further conversations? If it is shit what he has, the money is returned to the donors and end of it. We haven't lost anything. There are no discussions, no thinking about it, no shit of any kind.

As for this Arsene Lupin, laughable, simply laughable. I take you Patrick know who he is... is he doing anything other than investing in VRC? You do know that you guys have to enact FULL DISCLOSURE, right? In any event, whatever it is Lupin represents, it is BAD NEWS, the WORSE kind of news possible for Vericoin.

If you'd like to be my secretary, just let me know.

Would you mind to answer the freaking questions? Again with the stupid arrogance...

But I will be your executive virtual secretary for a decisive moment: Everything, all email, calls, notes, everything has just disappeared. I shredded it. EVERYTHING. The only thing on the table, the only thing that needs solving and solving within minutes, is Dev4 offer.

GET ON WITH IT. Have it set, solved, seal, signed, delivered within the hour! You have 45 long minutes still. The clock is ticking and there's absolutely NOTHING ELSE that keeps you even distracted. And you have lost your phone too, so no calls, no texts. Just Dev4. Go!
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August 26, 2014, 08:12:54 PM
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  Cannot believe ppl actually agree with this drkman that its a good idea to just hand over a million coins to someone they dont even know just to pump price.

Me and my team have no problem with the addition of a new developer but if a deal is made that pays him anywhere close to 500k to 1million coins we walk away... for good.


You sir have been FUD, Trolled.  
Fear Uncertainty and Doubted because... OMG the new dev they haven't even talked to, is going to get 1m coins for freeeee!

All these trolls with little or no facts.  Running around the forums posting "The Sky Is FALLING"  over and over again.

It may be a good idea to, never, ever believe the person that told you that rumor.  Their willingness to manufacture propaganda like that, displays their credibility, or lack thereof.

And LOL I see barrabas is first to post after pnosker update.   This user is currently ignored. 
No doubt several reposted paragraphs of personal attacks like every other post he does.
No doubt several reposted paragraphs of personal attacks like every other post he does.
Did I say he repeats himself?  Wink
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August 26, 2014, 08:14:26 PM
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Drkman, I understand your frustration only too well. And, before any other consideration and even though you are trying to do this for your own benefit, since it would benefit us all, I want to thank you for trying and trying really hard.

But perhaps it will give you some solace to know why this has not been done already. It's just an ego thing. Just that. Dev4, if he's to come on board, is going to make the current trio of devs looking very, very bad. Even if he's only partially successful -I'd say even before he actually does anything at all-, the coin will probably triple in value overnight from these absolutely depressed levels. Now, put yourself in  the shoes of the three stooges: They don't need the money. For them the current $15k they have in VRC has the same effect than 4 or more times that much: Not a significant change in their lives at all. And, from their standpoint, VRC is still a success... heck they created it and it is worth, even at these levels, over 1 million dollars. Now someone is going to come and overnight expose in a manner that doesn't admit discussion, their absolute mediocrity and take all the thunder? Fuck that. What will they get, that their stake will be worth maybe $60k instead of $15k? Again, fuck that. They would have PAID much more themselves for being where they are now.

Just arrogance. Ego. That's why they need "vias of communication", "solid plans" and all the rest of the bullshit they spew. They lie, blatantly, when they say Vericoin is a community project; it is THEIR project and they are not going to relinquish that condition, under no circumstances, to the veri end.

Once again thank you for really, really trying. Hope this helps with the frustration while understanding what you are dealing with here.



There's no ego thing going on here... just swamped with various things to do/busy. I have contacted this developer so let's see where it goes. We are more than happy to welcome someone who can help VeriCoin succeed, especially if the code is already built and tested on another platform and could instantly propel VeriCoin to the top in terms of features and use cases. I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but we're tackling a lot right now and get hundreds of emails a day for support, suggestions, complaints, etc. and it's easy for things to take a few days to filter and reply.

It's called prioritizing Patrick. Very, very simple. There are things that can wait and they go to the bottom of the pile and there are things that are urgent and matters are resolved and implemented in MINUTES, ok? The way this has been worded, by you, so there's no reason to believe it is not true, this guy is offering you the deal of the century. And, us, investors. There's no second thoughts about it. There's telling the community we have 100k between Drkman and me, the other devs are going to pony up another 100k and we still need 300k to deposit in escrow. End of the story. As soon as the figure is reached, the guy implements and end of story. What the heck has anything else to do to hold this for further conversations? If it is shit what he has, the money is returned to the donors and end of it. We haven't lost anything. There are no discussions, no thinking about it, no shit of any kind.

As for this Arsene Lupin, laughable, simply laughable. I take you Patrick know who he is... is he doing anything other than investing in VRC? You do know that you guys have to enact FULL DISCLOSURE, right? In any event, whatever it is Lupin represents, it is BAD NEWS, the WORSE kind of news possible for Vericoin.

If you'd like to be my secretary, just let me know.

Would you mind to answer the freaking questions? Again with the stupid arrogance...

I'm not sure what questions you've asked as there are hundreds of posts by you, mostly useless. I suggested you act as my secretary since according to you have issues prioritizing. It might be useful for me to have someone sort by priority.

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Patrick, just edited my post for content. As for USELESS, your ARROGANT, STUPID, USELESS attitude is what has brought Vericoin to its knees, nothing else, beyond your already admitted inability of doing absolutely anything. That second part goes for the other two stooges too.

Did I say that you are, have been and will be totally USELESS to Vericoin? Just in case I did not...
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August 26, 2014, 08:20:35 PM
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  Cannot believe ppl actually agree with this drkman that its a good idea to just hand over a million coins to someone they dont even know just to pump price.

Me and my team have no problem with the addition of a new developer but if a deal is made that pays him anywhere close to 500k to 1million coins we walk away... for good.




i agree .. a proper price has to be negotiated... pnosker just said he wants to contact him and discuss yet ppl still are on his ass... i can imagine the 100s of emails these guys must get ... another dev is a good idea if he has what u say he has to offer..but 500-1mill vrc is robbery, if he's so sure of himself why not settle for a more reasonable price and invest a little at this bottom...if he delivers what u say he can hell make tons of btc...

also arsene lupin... what does you and your team do for vrc? never heard of you guys, obviously your investors but threatening to walk away like u and your team are valuable without even knowing you or seeing you post anything ever, gets me all curious...

 

You should first learn to read man, it's getting ridiculous. @What Patrick just posted that he is offering, is to work entirely FOR FREE, simply reserving the right to buy, at current prices, 500,000 vrc. If and when VRC reaches 0.00100000. Do you get it now? Your stash has to be worth over 12 times current value for him to be able to buy those 500,000 VRC donated at 8200 sat each. No one, but no one will offer such a deal, even if he doesn't have anything to bring in. He will made all of us a ton, literally a ton of money before he can benefit by even a single penny. And when he does, he will give you back what you donated -the cost of your coins, not the coins themselves, of course-, so he will have made you a ton of money  at no cost whatsoever to donors. Or he gets nothing. For instance, if the coin never reaches 0.00100k but reaches 0.00090k, he gets absolutely NOTHING. Either way, this is simply ridiculously, absurdly one sided IN OUR FAVOR. And we are wasting time and not jumping on it immediately, as of two days ago?Huh? What are we nuts?Huh!!!!!

This does seem like an extremely good deal. What's there to lose atm? Get the ball rolling!

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August 26, 2014, 08:21:35 PM
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ur right its a hell of a deal for the spectacular dev.4 ... pay 41 BTC or 20,000 USD (500k @ current market price) to make 459 BTC/ 250,000 USD ( 500k @ 100k sat.) get coins and push price a little more to say 150k then dump all over market.


i dont know a single PnD group that wouldnt take that offer...


instead of letting him go all dr evil putting his pinkie up and demanding an insane amount of coins... if dev 4 wants 500k coins make him buy them from open market... then he would really have to care about the coin and implementing his code and then he wins all the same...


also why didnt dev 4 come out and state this offer himself...?

sounds to me like drkman is pushing this juggernaut so hard b/c perhaps he might get a cut for hyping this dev up...

You sir, are a total, 100% unadulterated idiot. Sorry to be this blunt, but reality is what it is.
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August 26, 2014, 08:30:41 PM
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ur right its a hell of a deal for the spectacular dev.4 ... pay 41 BTC or 20,000 USD (500k @ current market price) to make 459 BTC/ 250,000 USD ( 500k @ 100k sat.) get coins and push price a little more to say 150k then dump all over market.


i dont know a single PnD group that wouldnt take that offer...


instead of letting him go all dr evil putting his pinkie up and demanding an insane amount of coins... if dev 4 wants 500k coins make him buy them from open market... then he would really have to care about the coin and implementing his code and then he wins all the same...


also why didnt dev 4 come out and state this offer himself...?

sounds to me like drkman is pushing this juggernaut so hard b/c perhaps he might get a cut for hyping this dev up...

You sir, are a total, 100% unadulterated idiot. Sorry to be this blunt, but reality is what it is.

Hey Barabbas, just curious, how does name calling and temper tantrums work in normal life for you...when you're not an anonymous person on the web?  Do you get beat up a lot?  You remind me of Worm from Rounders. You need to chill.  Patrick is looking into it. 

It's not as simple as insert code, collect money.  I'm a programmer and I know that the code has to be vetted before being integrated into the codebase.  Crazy as this sounds, but what if the dev is trying to pull a fast one and puts in back doors or malicious code?

From the business side, you still have to make sure the new dev is a good fit for now and going forward.  Once his code is integrated, he'll know it best and we'll want to make sure he'll continue contributing and be available for maintenance etc.  These guys are in it for the long haul, not just a quick pump and dump.

Please, just relax.  Pretend your a real person talking with other people in a bar and not just lobbing grenades from a bunker.

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