Scientific proof that God exists?

[BADecker]

Badecker, I read your discourse on man's free will to choose evil over good. It was well-written, thanks!

Some people choose evil over good, this is a fact of life. How can we blame God for evil existing? Either we are created as robots who can do no harm and live in an evil-free world (what would be the point), or we are created as human beings with free will but the price we pay is evil existing among us for we can choose evil whenever we want to.

To be fair, the concept of God is extremely difficult to imagine. How can a being exist forever with no beginning? Infinity is so hard to grasp, it is much easier for me to believe in something that has a beginning and an end.

We do all kinds of things with microbes. They react in a Petri dish. But they never know what in the world is really going on.

We make robots and AI. But aren't we really complex robots?

Why would one think that a Being that is so great that It can make a universe easier than we can build a house, is impossible? Nature suggests such a being, way more than it suggests any spontaneous happening.

Nothing is impossible for God. What I was saying is that the difference between us and robots is that we can make free choices to do evil or do good. Robots that are programmed to always choose good can not do evil.

Well, scientifically it's not clear whether we actually have ''free choice''. Everything could be deterministic. Badecker himself said so.

PD: You still didn't answer badecker.

BADecker also said that the free choice that we have is something spiritual and tiny, and that it takes God to activate the results of our tiny free choice, to make things happen.

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[BADecker]

You said, there is only ''1 thing outside the universe'' which you claim it's god. If god created the universe, where did he get the ''materials'' to do so? Was it not spontaneously generated?

Ask Him in the split instant you will have after your judgment, and before you are trundled off to Hell.

[BADecker]

You said, there is only ''1 thing outside the universe'' which you claim it's god. If god created the universe, where did he get the ''materials'' to do so? Was it not spontaneously generated?

If I understand this correctly, BADecker is claiming that the universe was spontaneously generated by God
He does not believe that something can be spontaneously generated by itself

Am I correct BADecker?

Wrong. Caused by God.     

[Astargath]

You said, there is only ''1 thing outside the universe'' which you claim it's god. If god created the universe, where did he get the ''materials'' to do so? Was it not spontaneously generated?

Ask Him in the split instant you will have after your judgment, and before you are trundled off to Hell.

Is that an admission that your ''proof'' is flawed? Since you are unable to explain why there can only be 1 god and not multiple?

[BADecker]

Big bang made the universe according to science.

Wrong. It's according to some scientists who didn't apply enough of any science to think that BB could even exist, naturally.

[BADecker]

You said, there is only ''1 thing outside the universe'' which you claim it's god. If god created the universe, where did he get the ''materials'' to do so? Was it not spontaneously generated?

Ask Him in the split instant you will have after your judgment, and before you are trundled off to Hell.

Is that an admission that your ''proof'' is flawed? Since you are unable to explain why there can only be 1 god and not multiple?

Actually, it is showing that your thinking is flawed, to even think that someone could understand outside-the-universe stuff by the science of the universe.

[Vod]

Is that an admission that your ''proof'' is flawed? Since you are unable to explain why there can only be 1 god and not multiple?

There are actually thousands of gods.  BD picks and chooses which one he wants to believe in, if any.

Same as every other person on the planet. 

 

[af_newbie]

Is that an admission that your ''proof'' is flawed? Since you are unable to explain why there can only be 1 god and not multiple?

There are actually thousands of gods.  BD picks and chooses which one he wants to believe in, if any.

Same as every other person on the planet. 

 

Gods are picked by the parents who then work hard to brainwash their children the same way their parents brainwashed them.

His 'God' was 'chosen' for him at birth.

[Vod]

Gods are picked by the parents who then work hard to brainwash their children the same way their parents brainwashed them.

His 'God' was 'chosen' for him at birth.

That has been obvious for thousands of years.

However, the internet is spreading information at an unprecedented rate, and today people have more opportunity than ever before to break through their brainwashing and choose their own god.

I can scientifically prove that dogs can talk, if I bend the word "proof" to my liking.

 

[Astargath]

You said, there is only ''1 thing outside the universe'' which you claim it's god. If god created the universe, where did he get the ''materials'' to do so? Was it not spontaneously generated?

Ask Him in the split instant you will have after your judgment, and before you are trundled off to Hell.

Is that an admission that your ''proof'' is flawed? Since you are unable to explain why there can only be 1 god and not multiple?

Actually, it is showing that your thinking is flawed, to even think that someone could understand outside-the-universe stuff by the science of the universe.

''think that someone could understand outside-the-universe stuff'' So why do you keep claiming you do and you know it's a god?

[BADecker]

You said, there is only ''1 thing outside the universe'' which you claim it's god. If god created the universe, where did he get the ''materials'' to do so? Was it not spontaneously generated?

Ask Him in the split instant you will have after your judgment, and before you are trundled off to Hell.

Is that an admission that your ''proof'' is flawed? Since you are unable to explain why there can only be 1 god and not multiple?

Actually, it is showing that your thinking is flawed, to even think that someone could understand outside-the-universe stuff by the science of the universe.

''think that someone could understand outside-the-universe stuff'' So why do you keep claiming you do and you know it's a god?

Why do you think that I understand God? That's one of the traits of a God that is great enough to create a universe. He is not understandable.

Why do you think that God isn't a God, since creating all the stuff of the universe shows that He is?

[BADecker]

Gods are picked by the parents who then work hard to brainwash their children the same way their parents brainwashed them.

His 'God' was 'chosen' for him at birth.

That has been obvious for thousands of years.

However, the internet is spreading information at an unprecedented rate, and today people have more opportunity than ever before to break through their brainwashing and choose their own god.

I can scientifically prove that dogs can talk, if I bend the word "proof" to my liking.

 

Political science can be based on lies if it wants. That is the only science you can use to prove that God doesn't exist.

[Vod]

Political science can be based on lies if it wants. That is the only science you can use to prove that God doesn't exist.

You can't prove any fairy does or does not exist.  If I leave a tooth under my pillow, and the fairy doesn't come, is that proof she doesn't exist?  No, maybe she also doesn't like being tested.

Let me know if I can make it clearer for you.

[Lintormi]

Those who believe and will believe even when it contradicts their speculation and they don’t need proof of anything. I see no reason to dispute whether there is a God or not, because this question has no answer now. Every year there will be more facts in one direction or another.

[Vod]

Those who believe and will believe even when it contradicts their speculation and they don’t need proof of anything. I see no reason to dispute whether there is a God or not, because this question has no answer now. Every year there will be more facts in one direction or another.

There has never been a single fact that proves any of the thousands of gods, or other mythical creatures.

[Astargath]

You said, there is only ''1 thing outside the universe'' which you claim it's god. If god created the universe, where did he get the ''materials'' to do so? Was it not spontaneously generated?

Ask Him in the split instant you will have after your judgment, and before you are trundled off to Hell.

Is that an admission that your ''proof'' is flawed? Since you are unable to explain why there can only be 1 god and not multiple?

Actually, it is showing that your thinking is flawed, to even think that someone could understand outside-the-universe stuff by the science of the universe.

''think that someone could understand outside-the-universe stuff'' So why do you keep claiming you do and you know it's a god?

Why do you think that I understand God? That's one of the traits of a God that is great enough to create a universe. He is not understandable.

Why do you think that God isn't a God, since creating all the stuff of the universe shows that He is?

''That's one of the traits of a God that is great enough to create a universe.'' How do you know it's on of this traits if you don't know what god is? Why do you think god has to be 1 entity and not multiple? You cannot answer the question, there is no way to know if it was just one or many that created the universe which debunks your argument.

[BADecker]

Why do you think that I understand God? That's one of the traits of a God that is great enough to create a universe. He is not understandable.

Why do you think that God isn't a God, since creating all the stuff of the universe shows that He is?

''That's one of the traits of a God that is great enough to create a universe.'' How do you know it's on of this traits if you don't know what god is? Why do you think god has to be 1 entity and not multiple? You cannot answer the question, there is no way to know if it was just one or many that created the universe which debunks your argument.

Not knowing what God is, is one of the traits of people, that show that God is God.

One of the rules of the forum is, that before you post in a thread, read through the thread. Of course, if the moderators decided to take everyone before a jury to see if he/she obeyed this rule all the time, people would be gone, and the forum would shut down.

You are certainly most welcome to read through this thread to get the answers to your questions, which are answered in the thread. You have duplicated your questions many times, thereby, at least, coming close to breaking another rule of the forum... duplicate posts.

[Astargath]

Why do you think that I understand God? That's one of the traits of a God that is great enough to create a universe. He is not understandable.

Why do you think that God isn't a God, since creating all the stuff of the universe shows that He is?

''That's one of the traits of a God that is great enough to create a universe.'' How do you know it's on of this traits if you don't know what god is? Why do you think god has to be 1 entity and not multiple? You cannot answer the question, there is no way to know if it was just one or many that created the universe which debunks your argument.

Not knowing what God is, is one of the traits of people, that show that God is God.

One of the rules of the forum is, that before you post in a thread, read through the thread. Of course, if the moderators decided to take everyone before a jury to see if he/she obeyed this rule all the time, people would be gone, and the forum would shut down.

You are certainly most welcome to read through this thread to get the answers to your questions, which are answered in the thread. You have duplicated your questions many times, thereby, at least, coming close to breaking another rule of the forum... duplicate posts.

Nah, your argument is bad. We already discussed this many times, we always end up with you unable to answer why there has to be just 1 god as a creator of the universe and not multiple beings. Your argument does not rule the possibility of multiple beings as creators of the universe.

Even if we accept all your premises, we end up with ''something or someone/s'' must have created the universe and that something or someone/s have to be more ''complex'' than the universe.

[Vod]

You are certainly most welcome to read through this thread to get the answers to your questions, which are answered in the thread. You have duplicated your questions many times, thereby, at least, coming close to breaking another rule of the forum... duplicate posts.

Wow.  How many times have you gotten drunk and copy/pasted the same post over and over?

I'm wondering how many news reports of your priests raping little boys it will take for your morals to kick in and make you realize you are not hanging out with a nice crowd...

[af_newbie]

Can someone please lock this thread?

God concept is not testable. Science cannot be used to prove or disprove God's existence.  Full stop.

Please close this stupid thread.  500 pages of nothing more than pissing in the wind.