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[ontopicplease]

We're trying to collect 10btc so that Ryno can spend the entire month of November working on the ShadowMarket.

He would also accept other means of donations (PayPal, etc).

His work for DarkSilk has been brought to everyone's attention. He had been paid to fix their code while still working on Shadow. We all need money to live. If you can spare a little, it will help Ryno get the Market released as soon as possible.

I'll let him post the address if he wishes and this post is allowed by the moderators.

Hi Wheatclove.
It's 5 days since this post, can you tell something about the  status?
Do the moderators allow the post?
or did you find another solution to raise money?
or is Ryno to busy anyway to work on the market?
or is Ryno working for free on the market?

[rutherford]

dadon: The moderators allow your post, why wouldn't they?
The money is being raised by the community and the goal almost reached.
Rhyno is busy working n the market that was the point of the donations to help him continue working on it without needing to work on other things to fund his living expenses( yes he is not an android he eats, and pays bills etc who would of known)
Yes rhyno and the entire team is working for free on the market once again the point of the donations.
Any more questions?

[Blazin8888]

dadon: The moderators allow your post, why wouldn't they?
The money is being raised by the community and the goal almost reached.
Rhyno is busy working n the market that was the point of the donations to help him continue working on it without needing to work on other things to fund his living expenses( yes he is not an android he eats, and pays bills etc who would of known)
Yes rhyno and the entire team is working for free on the market once again the point of the donations.
Any more questions?

Good to hear. Keep up the good work.

When we convert SDC TO SDT can you guys make some cool graphic that happens? --- it would be cool to have some UI feedback when we click convert...like a bar loading up or sometype of spinning wheel showing that its converting....Make the wallet look even sexier!!!

[rutherford]

edu-online: Hi guys, ShadowMarket development is going really well. We still aim to release v1 this month. We will soon setup a topic on <http://talk.shadowproject.io|talk.shadowproject.io> where you can sign up for the v1 alpha testing phase. Meanwhile, check out <http://blog.shadowproject.io|blog.shadowproject.io> for regular updates on all of our progress !

[illodin]

edu-online: Hi guys, ShadowMarket development is going really well. We still aim to release v1 this month. We will soon setup a topic on <http://talk.shadowproject.io|talk.shadowproject.io> where you can sign up for the v1 alpha testing phase. Meanwhile, check out <http://blog.shadowproject.io|blog.shadowproject.io> for regular updates on all of our progress !

How does ShadowMarket compare to BitBay market?

[dasource]

edu-online: Hi guys, ShadowMarket development is going really well. We still aim to release v1 this month. We will soon setup a topic on <http://talk.shadowproject.io|talk.shadowproject.io> where you can sign up for the v1 alpha testing phase. Meanwhile, check out <http://blog.shadowproject.io|blog.shadowproject.io> for regular updates on all of our progress !

How does ShadowMarket compare to BitBay market?

Cannot say I have looked at it since the whole Bob + Bter fiasco ...
Is there a specification/white-paper etc?

EDIT: Without looking under the hood in detail; it seems to be loosely based on the same concept of using a P2P network (bitmessage in their case and Shadow in ours) to post market ads. Seems to have some kind-of centralized moderation key? .. from what I can tell it does not seem a privacy focused solution. From a transaction point of view their is no ShadowSend equivalent i.e. anonymous transactions etc..

Shadows vision from the outset has been to build a single platform where you can buy, sell, trade and chat all working together in harmony. Privacy is a core focus of the project and building applications such as the Market take this into consideration.
Any particular area of interest?

[Blazin8888]

When will a complete whitepaper be released on the ShadowMarket ?

If a full whitepaper regarding this is already available where can we find this?

- Thank you,
Blazin8888

[Wheatclove]

When will a complete whitepaper be released on the ShadowMarket ?

If a full whitepaper regarding this is already available where can we find this?

- Thank you,
Blazin8888

Probably after the working market is released? Can't say for certain, but I'd rather have the devs working on the integration rather than the explanation.

[Blazin8888]

When will a complete whitepaper be released on the ShadowMarket ?

If a full whitepaper regarding this is already available where can we find this?

- Thank you,
Blazin8888

Probably after the working market is released? Can't say for certain, but I'd rather have the devs working on the integration rather than the explanation.

That's fine by me. As long as a whitepaper will be released when the market is released ?

- Many large vendors may want to review this whitepaper first.

[erok]

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- Thank you,
Blazin8888

dude. how much meth does the world make for you to be like this? the bumps on the thread list are great but for the love of dennis ritchie calm your suck hole.

yes we are all excited that the market is coming soon and yes we hope everything will be tits but for all serious are you for serious right now?

[Blazin8888]

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- Thank you,
Blazin8888

dude. how much meth does the world make for you to be like this? the bumps on the thread list are great but for the love of dennis ritchie calm your suck hole.

yes we are all excited that the market is coming soon and yes we hope everything will be tits but for all serious are you for serious right now?

I understand your skepticism based on my prior history with this community. However lets put that behind us. I did what I had to do for various reasons. I am now here to support this project fully and give whatever ideas I can to help support this group. I wish you all good luck. I definitely recognize potential in this project. Keep your heads up and stay focused.

My most sincere apologies,

-Blazin8888

[Wheatclove]

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- Thank you,
Blazin8888

dude. how much meth does the world make for you to be like this? the bumps on the thread list are great but for the love of dennis ritchie calm your suck hole.

yes we are all excited that the market is coming soon and yes we hope everything will be tits but for all serious are you for serious right now?

I understand your skepticism based on my prior history with this community. However lets put that behind us. I did what I had to do for various reasons. I am now here to support this project fully and give whatever ideas I can to help support this group. I wish you all good luck. I definitely recognize potential in this project. Keep your heads up and stay focused.

My most sincere apologies,

-Blazin8888

Don't mind erok he's just unemployed right now

[erok]

EVERYPAGEIMHUSTLINEVERYPAGEIMHUSTLINHUSTLINTROLLINHUSTLINHUSTLIN

- Thank you,
Blazin8888

dude. how much meth does the world make for you to be like this? the bumps on the thread list are great but for the love of dennis ritchie calm your suck hole.

yes we are all excited that the market is coming soon and yes we hope everything will be tits but for all serious are you for serious right now?

I understand your skepticism based on my prior history with this community. However lets put that behind us. I did what I had to do for various reasons. I am now here to support this project fully and give whatever ideas I can to help support this group. I wish you all good luck. I definitely recognize potential in this project. Keep your heads up and stay focused.

My most sincere apologies,

-Blazin8888

Don't mind erok he's just unemployed right now

[erok]

edu-online: Hi guys, ShadowMarket development is going really well. We still aim to release v1 this month. We will soon setup a topic on <http://talk.shadowproject.io|talk.shadowproject.io> where you can sign up for the v1 alpha testing phase. Meanwhile, check out <http://blog.shadowproject.io|blog.shadowproject.io> for regular updates on all of our progress !

How does ShadowMarket compare to BitBay market?

Bitbay is up and running and has secure double deposit, it would be interesting to see what shadowcoin will have as its market.

anonymity for one.

[Blazin8888]

edu-online: Hi guys, ShadowMarket development is going really well. We still aim to release v1 this month. We will soon setup a topic on <http://talk.shadowproject.io|talk.shadowproject.io> where you can sign up for the v1 alpha testing phase. Meanwhile, check out <http://blog.shadowproject.io|blog.shadowproject.io> for regular updates on all of our progress !

How does ShadowMarket compare to BitBay market?

Bitbay is up and running and has secure double deposit, it would be interesting to see what shadowcoin will have as its market.

anonymity for one.

+1

That's where SDC true potential lies IMO....it being a truly untraceable currency.   <---- could have big implications

[X1235]

edu-online: Hi guys, ShadowMarket development is going really well. We still aim to release v1 this month. We will soon setup a topic on <http://talk.shadowproject.io|talk.shadowproject.io> where you can sign up for the v1 alpha testing phase. Meanwhile, check out <http://blog.shadowproject.io|blog.shadowproject.io> for regular updates on all of our progress !

How does ShadowMarket compare to BitBay market?

Bitbay is up and running and has secure double deposit, it would be interesting to see what shadowcoin will have as its market.

anonymity for one.

+1

That's where SDC true potential lies IMO....it being a truly untraceable currency.   <---- could have big implications

That's for sure. This is the greatest project so far.

[coins101]

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That's where SDC true potential lies IMO....it being a truly untraceable currency.  <---- could have big implications

Interesting point.

So, SDC vs. XMR.

What's the difference and is SDC a potential threat to XMR?

Ignoring the market and the GUI.

Is it simply PoS vs. PoW?

[Wheatclove]

XMR vs SDC

The current main differences are the codebases (any improvements made to Bitcoin can be implemented to SDC easier [BIP 32,39,44 as we've just seen implemented], but it also inherits any potential weaknesses), and the consensus protocols (PoW vs PoS). Both coins handle public and private transactions differently aswell. I believe the encrypted chat is unique to Shadow aswell (originally developed by Shadow's devs).

[Automatic Monkey]

XMR vs SDC

The current main differences are the codebases (any improvements made to Bitcoin can be implemented to SDC easier [BIP 32,39,44 as we've just seen implemented], but it also inherits any potential weaknesses), and the consensus protocols (PoW vs PoS). Both coins handle public and private transactions differently aswell. I believe the encrypted chat is unique to Shadow aswell (originally developed by Shadow's devs).

NeosCoin put PGP messaging in the wallet, but I believe SDC is the only one with distributed messaging that obscures even that a message has been sent or received by a user.

[dasource]

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That's where SDC true potential lies IMO....it being a truly untraceable currency.  <---- could have big implications

Interesting point.

So, SDC vs. XMR.
What's the difference and is SDC a potential threat to XMR?
Ignoring the market and the GUI.
Is it simply PoS vs. PoW?

PoS vs. PoW
Codebase is another difference (Bitcoin vs. CryptoNote)
Multisig and Smart Contracts (think OP_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY)
Public and Private (think of it as CreditCard (leaves trail) and Cash (no real trail))
Shadows Ring Signatures (latest) are almost 50% more efficient ("1-out-of-n Signatures from a Variety of Keys" by Abe, Ohkubo and Suzuki) as the signature is 3+n values vs 2+2n values.
P2P Messaging aka ShadowChat

Potential Threat? of-course and not just XMR but any crypto-currency which provides (whether by cryptographic proof or not) a privacy solution. Healthy competition is good to breed innovation and progress.
Privacy based transactions alone are not going to get you a substantial user-base; users need something else tangible and I genuinely believe a market place which brings together a solution were users can trade, chat and commerce will bridge that gap. Move out of the speculation phase and into some real world uses.
At the end of the day I see no reason why both cannot co-exist and I think we will; some of the chaps I have spoken to over at XMR are genuinely nice guys working on the same privacy goals we are.