[XMR] Monero Speculation

[Hueristic]

Nope, I said I used to have those skills and they have deteriorated and I can no longer function in that area.

Ah, fair enough. I apologize for that part then, I remembered wrong.

NP.

shit missed the 1000.

Anyway I'm gonna get back on this in the main thread after everything slows down again. This is not the thread for it anyway. But at least here smooth can nuke it.

[jwinterm]

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How are we as a community supposed to monitor the security of the project from the outside without the simple things I've asked for? You guys try to lynch me when I ask FOR FUCKING LOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they don't exist say so. I'd rather see shoddy development then have my questions skirted. Scammers don't answer questions. I never thought I'd see that attitude here.

Nobody is trying to lynch you for asking for something, they're just not complying with your demands. It's not exactly polite decorum to say, "IRC sucks and I refuse to use it, but if someone doesn't give me the logs of IRC conversations I'm going to rage and make implications about scamming."

You are aware that there is a stack exchange site now designed for getting answers to specific technical questions. I actually kind of tried to ask the question for you here:
http://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/808/why-was-0mq-selected-to-replace-the-current-rpc-system

The answerers didn't get into specifics of vetting the security of the system that much, but there are some extremely knowledgeable and dedicated folks answering practically every question there. If you're able to formulate a semi-coherent question, I think that would be the best place to get an in-depth answer that will be preserved and easily searchable for a wider swath of users, not just shitcointalkers.

[smooth]

Alphabay/Oasis is like the perfect, organic PR campaign we were discussing a few pages ago, descending from heavens, packet and ready to go.

This gives a good idea how significant this is. I'm sure it is not uncommon (emphasis added):

Could you give me a couple of the benefits of Monero? I've never heard of it before and don't even know how to acquire it, although I can't imagine its much different than btc

[saddambitcoin]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=8

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=13.msg15997365#msg15997365
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=7.new#new

wish satoshi was here...

If Satoshi is still alive I'm sure he or she is aware of Monero. In this post Satoshi mentions "group signatures", which is the foundation for the usage of ring signatures in the Cryptonote protocol.

Crypto may offer a way to do "key blinding".  I did some research and it was obscure, but there may be something there.  "group signatures" may be related...As an example, say some unpopular military attack has to be ordered, but nobody wants to go down in history as the one who ordered it.  If 10 leaders have private keys, one of them could sign the order and you wouldn't know who did it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=770.msg9074#msg9074

[kurious]

Nope, I said I used to have those skills and they have deteriorated and I can no longer function in that area.

Ah, fair enough. I apologize for that part then, I remembered wrong.

NP.

shit missed the 1000.

Anyway I'm gonna get back on this in the main thread after everything slows down again. This is not the thread for it anyway. But at least here smooth can nuke it.

Seems you're on page 1000 now....

It's only a number, but a nice round one, which we humans seem to enjoy marking as landmarks.

Good to see price up at well over the 41 level in time for it.  Now I need it to let me buy back as I have not been around and seem to have a few of my sell points hit - so can we have a quick flash crash and bounce back now, please?

Thanks in anticipation ;-)


EDIT: Back to page 999 now... Someone deleting posts to keep the page count down? Whale manipulation!

[Hueristic]

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How are we as a community supposed to monitor the security of the project from the outside without the simple things I've asked for? You guys try to lynch me when I ask FOR FUCKING LOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they don't exist say so. I'd rather see shoddy development then have my questions skirted. Scammers don't answer questions. I never thought I'd see that attitude here.

Nobody is trying to lynch you for asking for something, they're just not complying with your demands. It's not exactly polite decorum to say, "IRC sucks and I refuse to use it, but if someone doesn't give me the logs of IRC conversations I'm going to rage and make implications about scamming."

You are aware that there is a stack exchange site now designed for getting answers to specific technical questions. I actually kind of tried to ask the question for you here:
http://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/808/why-was-0mq-selected-to-replace-the-current-rpc-system

The answerers didn't get into specifics of vetting the security of the system that much, but there are some extremely knowledgeable and dedicated folks answering practically every question there. If you're able to formulate a semi-coherent question, I think that would be the best place to get an in-depth answer that will be preserved and easily searchable for a wider swath of users, not just shitcointalkers.

Thanks for that link, yeah it doesn't really answer my questions. FYI the reason I want the logs is so that I don't ask questions that have already been answered. I do try to research before asking questions. Problem is I have a ton of questions that really have to be answered in order, as many will answer themselves. For instance, can ZMTP be implemented with a different curve for future proofing? Is it nothing more than a library change or is it baked in?  

BTW I have asked this on other sites FYI this one might have been a good place to ask don't you think? Look where's the response?

http://forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress/2564/0mq-by-tewinget?page=&noscroll=1#post-5045

Shit said I would drop it. OK I can't remember half the shit I wanted to ask anyway.

DAMMIT, I missed 1k on the delete bye one post again!

[ChooseASide]

Happy 1000 once more.

The next few weeks replayed:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxabLA7UQ9k

[Hueristic]

Happy 1000 once more.

The next few weeks replayed:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxabLA7UQ9k

One delete away from taking that spot from you!

I speculate banana's for once.




http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2s8rjl

[BitcoinNewsMagazine]

Originally published at https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/4yv1dc/oasis_we_now_accept_monero_xmr/

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Hello,

Since our last reddit announcement, we've updated Oasis introducing new interesting features, here's what we've done:

1) It is now possible to place orders using the Monero (XMR) cryptocurrency (Vendors obviously need to accept it by editing their listings).

2) We now ask everyone to set their own secret question and answer (those are mandatory and they will be used to recover your account details).

3) The site now warns you when you click on an external website link and it asks you to confirm that you really want to visit it.

Thank you very much for choosing us,

Oasis
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[americanpegasus]

Posting on historic 1000th page of the Monero Speculation topic.  I predict a vicious, though short battle for the magic post at the top.  
  
This topic is like a limited blockchain - you can selectively modify what's happened before by deleting your old posts, but that's about it.  
  
A lot has changed in the last 500 pages.... Here's looking forward to our inevitable 2000th page.

[TrueCryptonaire]

Posting on historic 1000th page of the Monero Speculation topic.  I predict a vicious, though short battle for the magic post at the top.  
  
This topic is like a limited blockchain - you can selectively modify what's happened before by deleting your old posts, but that's about it.  
  
A lot has changed in the last 500 pages.... Here's looking forward to our inevitable 2000th page.

Monero thread is like the Universe: First expansion, then contraction.

[phishead]

Posting on historic 1000th page of the Monero Speculation topic.  I predict a vicious, though short battle for the magic post at the top.  
  
This topic is like a limited blockchain - you can selectively modify what's happened before by deleting your old posts, but that's about it.  
  
A lot has changed in the last 500 pages.... Here's looking forward to our inevitable 2000th page.

Here's to your classic discovery of such modifications:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.msg12707479#msg12707479

Good times... 

[phishead]

Posting on historic 1000th page of the Monero Speculation topic.  I predict a vicious, though short battle for the magic post at the top.  
  
This topic is like a limited blockchain - you can selectively modify what's happened before by deleting your old posts, but that's about it.  
  
A lot has changed in the last 500 pages.... Here's looking forward to our inevitable 2000th page.

Monero thread is like the Universe: First expansion, then contraction.

Oh god... here we go again with your bearishness.  First Bullish, then Bearish... until your Bullish the next week again.

...

Rinse, repeat.

[aminorex]

68% of the valuation of XMRBTC is theorized to consist of dark market energy.

[Blazin8888]

BITCOIN SEIZURES ON THE RISE:


1. http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/08/16/340000-euro-worth-bitcoin-seized-darknet-bust/

2. http://fortune.com/2016/08/08/government-seized-bitcoin-auction/

3. http://www.coindesk.com/new-york-police-win-fincen-award-bitcoin-investigation/

4. http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/why-criminals-cant-hide-behind-bitcoin

http://imgur.com/a/n4a0P


POSTS ON BITCOIN + ANONYMITY BY SATOSHI:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=8

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=13.msg15997365#msg15997365
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=7.new#new

wish satoshi was here...

[americanpegasus]

68% of the valuation of XMRBTC is theorized to consist of dark market energy.

Well it really gets into the Fermi paradox.  We know there must be a lot of NVidia cards out there mining Monero - simple math would suggest it to be true.  But where are they?  And why haven't they funded development of a better miner?

[Blazin8888]

Myth of complete anonymity: It is pertinent to mention at the outset that the identity of the parties on a block-chain is not completely anonymous. The block-chain is a public ledger keeping a public account of all transactions which can be used by governments to track unusual and potentially illegal activities. In fact, block-chains are better than traditionally executed contracts which are not so easy to track.

Scholars like C. Smith have pointed out how cryptocurrency-transactions generate sufficient public data accessible by investigators on the blockchain, which connects transactions to sales and ultimately to sellers. Suppose there is an online platform for the sale of drugs, powered by the bitcoin. Buyers, sellers as well as law enforcement agencies can access this website. Granted, the buyers as well as sellers utilize anonymous signatures, but that alone does not allow them to escape recognition. Every transaction on this website shall be authenticated by ‘miners’, who are volunteers earning cryptocurrency in exchange for their services. Miners are able to determine the amount each buyer paid to the seller, and this information is publicly accessible on the blockchain. Equipped with this information, law enforcement agencies can work on tracking the IP address of the seller to identify him, and restore law and order.” (Im guessing XMR comes into play here?)

State practice: State practice also definitively reveals that blockchains can be surveilled. Australia has a nuanced system in place. The FBI in the US also effectively tracks down perpetrators of illegal activity on the block-chain network, and Ross Ulbricht’s arrest for ‘Silk Road’, an illegal drug empire built on Bitcoins, is a case in point. The Czech police too has means of tracking perpetrators, as demonstrated by the seizing of Tomáš Jiříkovský’s assets, who was suspected of using cryptocurrency to launder money. Recently, the European Cyber-Crime Centre has also taken steps to track and arrest perpetrators of crimes on block-chains, by partnering with Chainanalysis. These examples are a few of many which demonstrate that the block-chain technology can indeed be surveilled upon, and utilised to track perpetrators of crimes. 

It is true that the practice of some states such as Bangladesh, Bolivia and Russia lends support to banning of cryptocurrency (and hence, smart contracts) due to its possibility for misuse. However, most electronic systems do present undeniable possibilities for misuse, but that per se is no grounds for refraining from granting them recognition, or declaring them illegal. Technology such as wire transfers, cash withdrawal and deposit facilities are widely used to deal in black money, launder funds and finance terrorism. These activities have been criminalised and states have put tracking and pattern-detection facilities in place, but the banking platforms themselves are not illegal. In fact, these platforms are widely used by the public due to their advantages and convenience of use.

India can follow in the footsteps of countries such as Canada, Hong Kong etc, and legislate to declare activities like money-laundering, financing of terrorism and drug trafficking using block-chains illegal, and put tracking mechanisms in place to fulfil its international obligations. Omri Marian, the eminent cryptocurrency publicist, also emphasises the great innovation potential of cryptocurrency transactions, and provides noteworthy models for regulation.

[homsts]

I hope this is considered "on topic".  I've been mining Eth/Etc/Sia for the past few months.  Currently I'm mining Eth/Sia at around 1.5 Eth/day and 6000 Sia/day.  Sia pretty much pays for the power, so the $20 (CAD) per day with my nine GPUs is doing well enough.

Came across info the other day on Xmr for the first time -- the principles of design intrigue me and if it were reasonably profitable it would potentially be something I would mine a little more seriously.  So yesterday for a simple trial I set up the minergate GUI and also the minergate CLI and found that the performance was fairly poor on the mining rigs, and it was hitting the GPU performance of the Claymore dual mining (naturally enough, that was not unexpected.)  So I've been running it CPU-only on a couple or three boxes off and on for the past 24 hours and I've found the hashrate of around 130 h/s to be very low and probably is not even paying for the additional power consumption on the CPUs.

So my question is general: Is there a way to GPU/CPU mine this coin in a way that is profitable, or at least relatively profitable as compared to Eth and Etc?  What kind of hashrate would I need to do about $15-$20 USD per day?  To achieve that kind of hashrate, what kind of hardware would be recommended and what kind of power consumption would a person be looking at?  I know these are general questions, but I'm curious what miners are doing with this coin -- how they are setting up to make it profitable...?

Thank you so much if anyone can answer or point me in the direction of materials that might answer these questions.

[aminorex]

I hope this is considered "on topic".  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=653467.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1035694.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=656841.0

[needmoney90]

1000 pages, wow. Congrats everyone.