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January 16, 2017, 12:06:10 AM
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Amazing to see the top Dice site years ago turn into what it is today  Cry

 I think the problem is that the new owner lacks some experience and motivation and drive. ANd I also think he owns a few different business ventures and just doesn't have the time to deal with the issues for this site.

Like I said before, he really needs to hire some support staff.


I mean it seems pretty clear at this point that he is stealing from high balance investors right? I don't see how hiring a support staff will fix anything unless these thefts are some grand technical glitches that are rectified.

Do we even know who the owner is? I'm hearing that ownership has changed hands a few times without any announcements.

And thanks Dean for confirming I'm a real person. I was a large investor in Betking and have been in BTC for a while, just not active on the forums... although I did post about a login issue with satoshi dice months ago.
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January 16, 2017, 06:05:55 AM
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at one point i had about 70 BTC on Satoshi dice, i did get all out, but it took about two-three weeks. Absolute nonsense.

Site CONSTANTLY goes down, absolutely no word from support ever and the hot wallet takes a week to refill.

If this site isnt a scam, it is run by the world's most incompetent people. In which case you should withdraw anyway right?

How do you fuck up a money printing machine so completely?
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January 16, 2017, 07:47:07 PM
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I mean it seems pretty clear at this point that he is stealing from high balance investors right? I don't see how hiring a support staff will fix anything unless these thefts are some grand technical glitches that are rectified.

Do we even know who the owner is? I'm hearing that ownership has changed hands a few times without any announcements.

And thanks Dean for confirming I'm a real person. I was a large investor in Betking and have been in BTC for a while, just not active on the forums... although I did post about a login issue with satoshi dice months ago.
The owner of satoshidice is not publicly known. The operator is Rakki N.V. = Naamloze vennootschap = "nameless partnership" and comes from the fact that the partners (the shareholders) are not directly known.

But if Rakki N.V. commit criminal offenses like embezzlement or fraud or money laundering or will be declared bankrupt, while they owe player balances, then a lawyer in Curacao can request the data of the owner(s) / management.

A lawyer can also file a criminal complaint at the public prosecutor in Curacao and after receipt of the data of the owner(s) / management, as well in the applicable jurisdictions.

Based on the rule "first come first serve", I highly recommend to involve a lawyer in Curacao. This will have the highest chance to succeed, independently of what happened at satoshidice.

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January 17, 2017, 11:21:14 AM
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Hi guys,
Just wanted to chime in. I had 79 bitcoin invested, got "diluted" to 68 bitcoin when this strange whale won 340btc on January 13. SInce then have lost confidence in the site. But... On the bright side ... I got my 68 bitcoin out in 24 hours. Just try every 60 minutes... sometimes you get 0,5 sometimes you get 50 sometimes you get 10... But.. I got it out... So at least it seems it is not a total scamm...(yet).

I lost confidence because the huge winners where all people who logged onto the site and in the same first two hours won huge amount all with name like piratexxxxx or underdogxxxxx where the xxxxx are numbers.. I don't know.. It might be that it is just winning loosing.. where I would have no problem... But it seemd fishy. Since the site has NO SUPPORT at all, nobody to talk to, nobody who defends their position or helps...I am really happy that I got out and can watch as a bystander now..
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January 17, 2017, 11:42:03 AM
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Hi guys,
Just wanted to chime in. I had 79 bitcoin invested, got "diluted" to 68 bitcoin when this strange whale won 340btc on January 13. SInce then have lost confidence in the site. But... On the bright side ... I got my 68 bitcoin out in 24 hours. Just try every 60 minutes... sometimes you get 0,5 sometimes you get 50 sometimes you get 10... But.. I got it out... So at least it seems it is not a total scamm...(yet).

I lost confidence because the huge winners where all people who logged onto the site and in the same first two hours won huge amount all with name like piratexxxxx or underdogxxxxx where the xxxxx are numbers.. I don't know.. It might be that it is just winning loosing.. where I would have no problem... But it seemd fishy. Since the site has NO SUPPORT at all, nobody to talk to, nobody who defends their position or helps...I am really happy that I got out and can watch as a bystander now..
Maiden
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yea its not a problem of them paying out, but the hot wallet is never full when ive tried. you getting out 50 is unheard off as far as ive seen, i guess lucky you, i cant even get 0.1 out. tried for weeks now.
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January 17, 2017, 01:04:57 PM
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He is not talking about that. I think he invested almost close to 100 BTC in the site, he didn't gamble with it.

What is going on with the site is very fishy like he mentioned before, some new players are winning over 600 BTC like that Underdog guy, Look at his stats.

I would be careful because this looks like another case of "Willy" bot like with Mt GOx. Basically he bets and losses but since he has unlimited income he can keep martingaling until he wins.

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January 17, 2017, 05:13:22 PM
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He is not talking about that. I think he invested almost close to 100 BTC in the site, he didn't gamble with it.

What is going on with the site is very fishy like he mentioned before, some new players are winning over 600 BTC like that Underdog guy, Look at his stats.

I would be careful because this looks like another case of "Willy" bot like with Mt GOx. Basically he bets and losses but since he has unlimited income he can keep martingaling until he wins.

no one has unlimited income, unless you mean there's some exploit where he can bet any number no matter how high. Martingaling isn't a winning strategy even with 100 billion dollars.

what's really fishy about the site is they robbed me and at least 2 other high balance investors.
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January 17, 2017, 10:59:44 PM
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Is there even somebody around in this forum? Or only lawyers trying to sell legal advice and scammers trying to throw oil imto the fire??
I got 55 btc out of my 68 ...so not all is that bad...obviousely hope they prop up hotwallet soon..
Their support is non existent as far as I have experienced??? Sad.
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The hot wallet is regularly empty, while there is still a 4 digit amount invested. But hey, never mind!

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January 18, 2017, 12:01:28 AM
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He is not talking about that. I think he invested almost close to 100 BTC in the site, he didn't gamble with it.

What is going on with the site is very fishy like he mentioned before, some new players are winning over 600 BTC like that Underdog guy, Look at his stats.

I would be careful because this looks like another case of "Willy" bot like with Mt GOx. Basically he bets and losses but since he has unlimited income he can keep martingaling until he wins.

no one has unlimited income, unless you mean there's some exploit where he can bet any number no matter how high. Martingaling isn't a winning strategy even with 100 billion dollars.

what's really fishy about the site is they robbed me and at least 2 other high balance investors.

The WIlly bot wasn't an exploit, it was created by MtGox and its what actually caused price to spike all the way up to $1150 from $200 and causing the worse year for bitcoin in 2014.

If you have some free time read up on it. Basically the bot was coded so it could buy unlimited amount of BTC because he never actually had to pay for any of the BTCs to buy. This went on for months and months and I guess they got away with it since they were huge and most were HODLers who didn't withdraw Fiat until the crash in Jan-Feb 2014.

What is going on with Satoshidice seems very similar with those new accounts winning almost 1000 BTC.

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January 18, 2017, 11:18:22 PM
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Hello,

Just wanted to add my bad experience to what you guys already know.

I am not an investor in Satoshidice, I deposited for the first time (talk about bad luck!) around 4BTC to the site a week and a half ago. Gambled with it and got cold feet so decided with withdraw 2BTC, didn't work due to the "hot wallet" being full. I have emailed support@satoshidice.com 4 times with no response. Around a week ago my balance disappeared, now when I login it says I have a balance of 2BTC instead of the ~4.2 that I had, and I can't do any rolls, and there's no deposit address- looks kind of like it does when you're not logged in. But I can still see my previous bets 12 days ago.

Now I can't withdraw any money at all.

A word of warning to everybody reading this thread, DO NOT USE this site!! Their support is inactive and they won't talk to you.
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January 19, 2017, 02:49:09 PM
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Hi guys,
Just wanted to chime in. I had 79 bitcoin invested, got "diluted" to 68 bitcoin when this strange whale won 340btc on January 13. SInce then have lost confidence in the site. But... On the bright side ... I got my 68 bitcoin out in 24 hours. Just try every 60 minutes... sometimes you get 0,5 sometimes you get 50 sometimes you get 10... But.. I got it out... So at least it seems it is not a total scamm...(yet).

I lost confidence because the huge winners where all people who logged onto the site and in the same first two hours won huge amount all with name like piratexxxxx or underdogxxxxx where the xxxxx are numbers.. I don't know.. It might be that it is just winning loosing.. where I would have no problem... But it seemd fishy. Since the site has NO SUPPORT at all, nobody to talk to, nobody who defends their position or helps...I am really happy that I got out and can watch as a bystander now..
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Today I got a PM from Radian Hero saying: "We have let you cash out completelynow, right?"
To which I responded: " YES, but I would appreciate some comments in the forums on what happened".

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January 19, 2017, 06:02:26 PM
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Just got a second short message out of Randian Hero, 15 days later:

 "We have seen no signs of malicious activity. Sorry to tell you this, but it seems like someone got your password."

No word on how this coincidentally happened to two other high balance investors in the same period.

No word on how, in that very time period, this thread is full of people complaining about hot wallet problems, and being unable to cash-out <1BTC amounts, yet someone who "got my password" (and at least 2 others' passwords presumably,) is able to withdrawal >150 BTC with no problem?

The cash-out thing is really the most damning to them. Even if all of these account hacks weren't there fault, with their notoriously slow cash-out issues it would be beyond easy for them to prevent large cash-outs while they investigated these robberies; in fact one would think this "thief" would have a ton of difficulty cashing out even without preventative action on their part. Are we to believe that they "coincidentally" expedited the large cash-outs that happened to be account hacks?


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Just got a second short message out of Randian Hero, 15 days later:

 "We have seen no signs of malicious activity. Sorry to tell you this, but it seems like someone got your password."

No word on how this coincidentally happened to two other high balance investors in the same period.

No word on how, in that very time period, this thread is full of people complaining about hot wallet problems, and being unable to cash-out <1BTC amounts, yet someone who "got my password" (and at least 2 others' passwords presumably,) is able to withdrawal >150 BTC with no problem?

The cash-out thing is really the most damning to them. Even if all of these account hacks weren't there fault, with their notoriously slow cash-out issues it would be beyond easy for them to prevent large cash-outs while they investigated these robberies; in fact one would think this "thief" would have a ton of difficulty cashing out even without preventative action on their part. Are we to believe that they "coincidentally" expedited the large cash-outs that happened to be account hacks?




Sounds very suspicious to me. People having trouble withdrawing and hackers can easily withdraw 150BTC??? I would directly withdraw asap all my funds if I was one of the other users.

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January 19, 2017, 06:23:10 PM
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Just got a second short message out of Randian Hero, 15 days later:

 "We have seen no signs of malicious activity. Sorry to tell you this, but it seems like someone got your password."

No word on how this coincidentally happened to two other high balance investors in the same period.

No word on how, in that very time period, this thread is full of people complaining about hot wallet problems, and being unable to cash-out <1BTC amounts, yet someone who "got my password" (and at least 2 others' passwords presumably,) is able to withdrawal >150 BTC with no problem?

The cash-out thing is really the most damning to them. Even if all of these account hacks weren't there fault, with their notoriously slow cash-out issues it would be beyond easy for them to prevent large cash-outs while they investigated these robberies; in fact one would think this "thief" would have a ton of difficulty cashing out even without preventative action on their part. Are we to believe that they "coincidentally" expedited the large cash-outs that happened to be account hacks?
Does he speak about your password in regards to your satoshidice account or in regards to your email account. Why does he not speak about passwords?

Because usually you need to confirm withdrawals from your email account and you have usually a different password like your satoshidice account.

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Do he speak about your password in regards to your satoshidice account or in regards to your email account. Why do he not speak about passwords?

Because usually you would need to confirm withdrawals from your email account and you would have usually a different password like your satoshidice account.

He didn't say anything other than what I posted. He made no mention of how any of this could have occurred. He didn't tell me if my password was reset (which would have sent an email as well, of which there is no evidence of, nor evidence of an unknown login that could have deleted the reset email.) And yeah no mention of withdrawal protocols or anything.

All in all, no actual information, just an informal "haha we robbed you" as far as I can tell.

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Do he speak about your password in regards to your satoshidice account or in regards to your email account. Why do he not speak about passwords?

Because usually you would need to confirm withdrawals from your email account and you would have usually a different password like your satoshidice account.

He didn't say anything other than what I posted. He made no mention of how any of this could have occurred. He didn't tell me if my password was reset (which would have sent an email as well, of which there is no evidence of, nor evidence of an unknown login that could have deleted the reset email.) And yeah no mention of withdrawal protocols or anything.

All in all, no actual information, just an informal "haha we robbed you" as far as I can tell.


Jake, I am not a specialist.. but I have withdrawn 60 btc recently. There is NO confirming email for each withdrawal. So what they are saying,. if somebody sat on your computer, and logs into satoshidice and you had your password saved, he could easily have transferred the btc.
Request some more help from them. Let them give you you access report, addresses where the btc. went.. So you can figure out what happened. I agree that their support is very bad and that they should offer 2fa to avoid such risks and, and, and.. thats why I pulled out two days ago.
Hope you can figure it out.
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January 19, 2017, 08:12:25 PM
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Jake, I am not a specialist.. but I have withdrawn 60 btc recently. There is NO confirming email for each withdrawal. So what they are saying,. if somebody sat on your computer, and logs into satoshidice and you had your password saved, he could easily have transferred the btc.
Request some more help from them. Let them give you you access report, addresses where the btc. went.. So you can figure out what happened. I agree that their support is very bad and that they should offer 2fa to avoid such risks and, and, and.. thats why I pulled out two days ago.
Hope you can figure it out.
Whaaat? If there are no confirmation emails, how can you prove that your account was not compromised? O.k., you could request the server logins in Curacao, as the gaming server is in Curacao and they have to store everything by law.

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January 20, 2017, 12:55:25 AM
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We are continuously working to figure out what has happened regarding the reports of the missing bitcoins.

This is what has been found so far:
* As of yet, there is no evidence of the servers being compromised. Part of the work is to exclude that the accounts in question simply made a withdrawal and then stated that they didn't make the withdrawal.

* We got one report of a user who clicked a Bitcointalk phishing link, entered his information and then got his balance stolen on Satoshidice.

* We have seen attempts of password guessing on what appears to be big lists of emails. We do not store password in clear text in the database but we looked at real-time password attempts and there are several login attempts made with passwords such as "password" "sun" "god" "1234" ect. All those IP addresses are blocked and stored for future evidence.

* Please never use a simple or common password, or any password that you use on other websites.

* Please do not use the same email (and/or password) you use on Bitcointalk.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1611117.0

* Satoshidice will never ask for your user email or password in an email.

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January 20, 2017, 01:53:39 AM
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We are continuously working to figure out what has happened regarding the reports of the missing bitcoins.
You can see within one day what happened on your gaming server in regards to a certain account.


* We got one report of a user who clicked a Bitcointalk phishing link, entered his information and then got his balance stolen on Satoshidice.
Which bitcointalk user name was it?

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January 20, 2017, 02:52:55 AM
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We are continuously working to figure out what has happened regarding the reports of the missing bitcoins.
You can see within one day what happened on your gaming server in regards to a certain account.
We have time stamp of a login with the correct password that made a successful withdrawal on both accounts, that we looked up in a few minutes.
One of the things we are looking into is if there are one or several phishing attempts, what they look like, how many accounts could have been affected, tricked by the phishing. Is it even a phishing or did someone get hold of all passwords, or some passwords, or is it a list of user accounts from other websites and so on - its not exactly a one day thing.

Whats time consuming is:
What we are trying to figure out is if the fault is ours OR If the user simply did not have a secure password or used the same password as they did on other websites, ect ect.
If the site or servers have been compromised, we will refund the user accounts in question.
OR
If the user got his password typed in by inputting the password in the password field as intended we will not refund.

A 2 factor authentication system would have eliminated this problem and should probably have been implemented a long time ago. As much as we are now rushing to develop this feature, At this moment the site is as provided without 2 factor authentication. 

* We got one report of a user who clicked a Bitcointalk phishing link, entered his information and then got his balance stolen on Satoshidice.
Which bitcointalk user name was it?
If the user wants to tell us all publicly, he or she may choose to do so.

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