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July 04, 2016, 05:52:08 PM
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The role of this person called iconfirm is to destabilize the board here - criticizing every move of this coin: especially Thrones. The benefits of Thrones are clear - it was mentioned here many times, and we are moving forward in order for regular people to get coins through a simple vps....stabilizing the infrastructure around this project through several thousand of Thrones supernodes. But it does not end there - it is just the beginning, because Thrones will have several essential benefits even for the bitcoin network itself in the near future....

I am going to produce a Crowncoin version of the guide tonight for publishing tomorrow.

Thank you, although you did say the same a few weeks ago, but better late than never  Smiley

Please don't be so cynical.

I'm not being cynical, I'm stating fact. You said over 3 weeks ago:

The long answer will be in the guide I post in the next day or two.

But still didn't do so, despite me reminding you on several occasions.

Stating that you haven't done so "because none of us know how to set one up well enough" doesn't wash, because you've all set your own thrones up & are running them - at the expense of every miner on the network. For over 3 weeks you & a select few others have been taking 40% of every miners work, that's a very tidy sum.  Saying that the proceeds you've taken from miners will be "GIVEN AWAY" will not make miners OK with that, because they have not been given either a choice or chance to run a throne like a select few are doing.

This throne rollout should have been fully tested on testnet first, then relased to the public with a clear & precise guide enabling everyone to be able to set up a throne to offset the 40% loss of mining revenue. That way, you wouldn't have to "GIVE AWAY" the proceeds you are taking from every miner.

I was sceptical of this throne business from the start because I knew that if it wasn't done correctly it would only be the miners who would lose out. As it turns out, I have been proven 100% correct so far.

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You sound very competent at the whole crypto thing... Why haven't you offered your expertise to the barebones dev team we have?

One does not need to be a crypto genius or coder to see what I have pointed out above, it is basic common sense.

Everything I have said is fact, gathered with quotes from yourself.

If you think that taking 40% of every miners income using thrones that only you and one or two others are able to configure is fair & reasonable - that's fine. If you think that not providing a guide on how to setup a throne (like the 5 you are running) so that the main supporters of the network, the very miners you are taking revenue from, can set up a node & recover their lost revenue is fair & reasonable - that's fine also. Surely you can't be surprised that miners are upset with what you are doing though?

I am not anti this or anti that, despite what your abusive, sexist crowncoin_knight thinks. I am pro fairness & pro transparency though, & what has happened here is neither of those, no where near. As long as you & the other 1 or 2 select few are taking 40% of miners income while holding back on providing info on how your miners & supporters of the network can do the same, it will continue to be unfair, unjust, unreasonable & just plain wrong.

You are stealing miners income. I have removed crowncoin from my hashing pool & encourage everyone else to do the same until you do as you said you would over three weeks ago & give everyone a level playing field with equal opprtunities for everyone, instead of a few chosen ones.

Do not trust Yobit scam exchange or shady ICO's run by known scam companies like HashCoins - they WILL steal from you:
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July 04, 2016, 07:53:43 PM
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You sound very competent at the whole crypto thing... Why haven't you offered your expertise to the barebones dev team we have?

One does not need to be a crypto genius or coder to see what I have pointed out above, it is basic common sense.

The issue is not seeing the problems, dear sir. The problem is the issues.

We really could use dem skills!

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July 04, 2016, 08:06:44 PM
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Very dirty game you starting to play pal taking words out of senteces and turning them around: there must be something behind, maybe you have a lot of CRW Smiley)

1. 5 people are working on Thrones function including 2 very experienced devs, yes its taking a little more time than expected, so what?
2. This is testing mode - as mentioned here - do you really care about few hundred CRW valued at 0 that will be given to bounty anyway? Somebody needs to test it, why dont you help if you care so much about crw? The guide was posted here and the guys here always tried to help when you asked. Even myself dont have a throne yet, and I dont care because when wallets are finished I will set many thrones up. This is not facebook
3. New wallets and a guide for dummies will be posted here very soon - sorry the guys working on this are doing it because they are keen about the idea, not because they will get paid a lot of money, if you really cared about crw, you would give a helping hand instead of criticizing
4. Miners are upset? What are you talking about? They have been informed and this has not been enforced!

And dont talk about fairness when your approach is not fair at all! You are turning facts and are negative about things here instead of being a positive force!


You sound very competent at the whole crypto thing... Why haven't you offered your expertise to the barebones dev team we have?

One does not need to be a crypto genius or coder to see what I have pointed out above, it is basic common sense.

Everything I have said is fact, gathered with quotes from yourself.

If you think that taking 40% of every miners income using thrones that only you and one or two others are able to configure is fair & reasonable - that's fine. If you think that not providing a guide on how to setup a throne (like the 5 you are running) so that the main supporters of the network, the very miners you are taking revenue from, can set up a node & recover their lost revenue is fair & reasonable - that's fine also. Surely you can't be surprised that miners are upset with what you are doing though?

I am not anti this or anti that, despite what your abusive, sexist crowncoin_knight thinks. I am pro fairness & pro transparency though, & what has happened here is neither of those, no where near. As long as you & the other 1 or 2 select few are taking 40% of miners income while holding back on providing info on how your miners & supporters of the network can do the same, it will continue to be unfair, unjust, unreasonable & just plain wrong.

You are stealing miners income. I have removed crowncoin from my hashing pool & encourage everyone else to do the same until you do as you said you would over three weeks ago & give everyone a level playing field with equal opprtunities for everyone, instead of a few chosen ones.

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Hi all, i work at sea, with limitied internet connection, ive been working on getting a windows wallet compiled, but so far i have managed to compile the command line tools, which stonehdge will publish soon, we have asked another to compile the qt wallet, waiting for that to be delivered...

i run 1 throne since yesterday afternoon on one of my servers, all proceedings go to the bounty pool until instructions and wallets are released...

long term plan is to have one of my servers autocompile for all platforms whenever changes are done to the git.(windows, Mac, Linux x86/amd64, and raspberry pie (hopefully))

i have cleaned up the git, so the bloat has been removed

Have a nice day. :-)

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Thank you very much Chaositech! Appreciate very much your involvement and effort you are engaging in Crowncoin!


Hi all, i work at sea, with limitied internet connection, ive been working on getting a windows wallet compiled, but so far i have managed to compile the command line tools, which stonehdge will publish soon, we have asked another to compile the qt wallet, waiting for that to be delivered...

i run 1 throne since yesterday afternoon on one of my servers, all proceedings go to the bounty pool until instructions and wallets are released...

long term plan is to have one of my servers autocompile for all platforms whenever changes are done to the git.(windows, Mac, Linux x86/amd64, and raspberry pie (hopefully))

i have cleaned up the git, so the bloat has been removed

Have a nice day. :-)

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July 05, 2016, 09:53:41 AM
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If a miner doesn't want to pay thrones, they don't have to update their software at the moment.  We have no plans to turn on enforcement until there has been an entirely level playing field for some weeks.

Obviously we will enforce throne payments in the future but at the moment the only miners and pools to have upgraded have done so VOLUNTARILY and in support of the project.

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Very quick and dirty semi instructions for setting up a throne...

Start crowncoind

Wait till its been synced

crowncoin-cli throne genkey

Save this for later

crowncoin-cli getaccountaddress "0"

Send coins to this address wait for 15 confirmations

Add
throne=1
privkey= genkey generated key

To you crowncoin.conf
Restart with
crowncoin-cli stop
crowncoind

Wait 1 minute then write
crowncoin-cli throne start

link to command line windows tools: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mvtykd90iiitzxm/crowncoin-cmd.zip?dl=0


Please notice.. these instructions are from the top of my head if a command is wrong use crowncoin-cli help

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When the Windows QT is ready we'll update the OP with all builds.

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..the only miners and pools to have upgraded have done so VOLUNTARILY and in support of the project.

That's not true at all.

Many, if not most pools & miners compile their wallets from source & there is absolutely no mention of "VOLUNTARILY" joining any project either on the github page, in the OP of this thread or the website - meaning anyone who compiles their wallets from github are having 40% of their mining earnings taken from them without their consent or knowledge.

This should have been made clear before it's release on mainet. So no, nobody is voluntarily giving you 40% of their mining income, you are stealing it.

Do not trust Yobit scam exchange or shady ICO's run by known scam companies like HashCoins - they WILL steal from you:
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..the only miners and pools to have upgraded have done so VOLUNTARILY and in support of the project.

That's not true at all.

Many, if not most pools & miners compile their wallets from source & there is absolutely no mention of "VOLUNTARILY" joining any project either on the github page, in the OP of this thread or the website - meaning anyone who compiles their wallets from github are having 40% of their mining earnings taken from them without their consent or knowledge.

This should have been made clear before it's release on mainet. So no, nobody is voluntarily giving you 40% of their mining income, you are stealing it.

How do you propose we rectify this?
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..the only miners and pools to have upgraded have done so VOLUNTARILY and in support of the project.

That's not true at all.

Many, if not most pools & miners compile their wallets from source & there is absolutely no mention of "VOLUNTARILY" joining any project either on the github page, in the OP of this thread or the website - meaning anyone who compiles their wallets from github are having 40% of their mining earnings taken from them without their consent or knowledge.

This should have been made clear before it's release on mainet. So no, nobody is voluntarily giving you 40% of their mining income, you are stealing it.

How do you propose we rectify this?

Then please use commit 302d89381c64a5e4d18989782959c04250d555b6

If you do not want to pay thrones until the time it is enforced..

Second part of this is... how is it stealing if we are giving it away to the community in bounties... which will help further the goals of crowncoin and also help to bring more value to crowncoin.. or do you think it's should be the devs that pays it out of own pockets.. I. E. Besides not getting paid the we should also pay from own pockets to better the value of crowncoin without you lifting a finger and just enjoy the profits.. because that is exactly what it sounds like right now...

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..the only miners and pools to have upgraded have done so VOLUNTARILY and in support of the project.

That's not true at all.

Many, if not most pools & miners compile their wallets from source & there is absolutely no mention of "VOLUNTARILY" joining any project either on the github page, in the OP of this thread or the website - meaning anyone who compiles their wallets from github are having 40% of their mining earnings taken from them without their consent or knowledge.

This should have been made clear before it's release on mainet. So no, nobody is voluntarily giving you 40% of their mining income, you are stealing it.

How do you propose we rectify this?

You do what you should have done in the first place & as I explained earlier:

Remove it from mainet so that miners & pools are not having 40% of their income creamed from their income without their knowledge.
Put a clear notice on the OP of this thread, the webste & the github page explaining what will happen when the latest wallets are released to the public & include a clear & precise guide on how to activate the new wallets before they are released on mainet with a date of when this will happen.
Return the coins stolen to their rightful owners.
Apologise to everyone affected.

Do not trust Yobit scam exchange or shady ICO's run by known scam companies like HashCoins - they WILL steal from you:
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..the only miners and pools to have upgraded have done so VOLUNTARILY and in support of the project.

That's not true at all.

Many, if not most pools & miners compile their wallets from source & there is absolutely no mention of "VOLUNTARILY" joining any project either on the github page, in the OP of this thread or the website - meaning anyone who compiles their wallets from github are having 40% of their mining earnings taken from them without their consent or knowledge.

This should have been made clear before it's release on mainet. So no, nobody is voluntarily giving you 40% of their mining income, you are stealing it.

How do you propose we rectify this?

You do what you should have done in the first place & as I explained earlier:

Remove it from mainet so that miners & pools are not having 40% of their income creamed from their income without their knowledge.
Put a clear notice on the OP of this thread, the webste & the github page explaining what will happen when the latest wallets are released to the public & include a clear & precise guide on how to activate the new wallets before they are released on mainet with a date of when this will happen.
Return the coins stolen to their rightful owners.
Apologise to everyone affected.

You do realise that we contacted miners and pools directly to offer them the update?

I appreciate that there is a chance that somebody has downloaded the update without being aware of the new block reward structure and I will address that as a matter of urgency but you really are over dramatizing things.

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And for the record, if there are any miners or pools out there who downloaded the update without being notified about the new node payments then please get in touch with me directly and I will refund you for the blocks that you solved.
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July 05, 2016, 11:36:26 AM
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Second part of this is... how is it stealing if we are giving it away to the community in bounties...

Sorry, but that's a pathetic excuse.

If your bank manager took 40% of your account balance & said the same thing - would that make it OK with you? Of course not.

Stop trying to make excuses for your mistakes, if it was a mistake, which I'm not sure it was anymore.

Do not trust Yobit scam exchange or shady ICO's run by known scam companies like HashCoins - they WILL steal from you:
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July 05, 2016, 11:43:19 AM
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Second part of this is... how is it stealing if we are giving it away to the community in bounties...
Sorry, but that's a pathetic excuse.

If your bank manager took 40% of your account balance & said the same thing - would that make it OK with you? Of course not.

Stop trying to make excuses for your mistakes, if it was a mistake, which I'm not sure it was anymore.


Let me put this as clearly as I possibly can... all actions can be followed on the blockchain including where funds go.. and we will create an account for bounties it cannot get more transparent than this.. you can follow the path of all coins...

But let me put all this in perspective my throne has generated 60 crw over the last 24 hours... current value if being bought at highest bid is 0.00021 so... give me your pools address and I will send that to you...

And again your not addressing all my points.. you do seem very inclined to want to pick a fight...


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July 05, 2016, 11:49:17 AM
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Second part of this is... how is it stealing if we are giving it away to the community in bounties...

Sorry, but that's a pathetic excuse.

If your bank manager took 40% of your account balance & said the same thing - would that make it OK with you? Of course not.

Stop trying to make excuses for your mistakes, if it was a mistake, which I'm not sure it was anymore.

I personally don't intend to make excuses. 

We are we we are.  The best I can do right now is to take steps to stop anybody updating without knowledge of throne payments and offer a refund to any miners who feel they were misinformed.

At the moment, I believe that the majority if not all groups using the new version were aware.  I don't think it is right or fair to accuse of us of deliberately stealing. 

Updates will follow today.
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July 05, 2016, 11:56:49 AM
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Crowncoin Project Update 05/07/2016



What are Thrones?

Thrones are paying nodes on the Crowncoin network.  Throne operators will earn 40% of the Crowncoin block reward in return for providing services via their Thrones.


​How do I get a Throne?

In order to operate a Throne 10,000CRW collateral is required.  Thrones along with guides on how to set one up will be released in the coming days.

If you can't wait, you're welcome to compile and set up a Throne from source if you know what you are doing.


How much do they pay?​ 

A forecast for Throne finances can be found here.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1x4KjbxtqGPKghajJb3scJBL6ED3B_CCBbYES6N6CR28/edit#gid=0

Throne payments are currently underway.  Every time a miner who has updated to the latest version solves a block, 40% of the block reward will be paid to a Throne.  Enforcement will not be turned on until the majority of the network is on the latest version.  Please update using the latest Github build.  Windows binaries will follow shortly.


What will thrones do?​

Thrones, apart from strengthening the Crowncoin network, will form the basis of a two tier service network.  An exciting announcement about the first planned service for the Throne network will be made in the coming weeks.  The Crowncoin team believes that the first planned service will propel Crowncoin to the forefront of altcoin R&D.


New Team Members

Stonehedge has joined the team to help with project management and PR. Chaositec has joined the team as part of the Development Team and will be working on improving the quality and timeliness of wallet builds and will also be setting up some useful applications relating to Thrones.


What next?

A roadmap detailing the next steps will be published on 6th July 2016.
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July 05, 2016, 01:19:10 PM
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I personally don't intend to make excuses. 

We are we we are.  The best I can do right now is to take steps to stop anybody updating without knowledge of throne payments and offer a refund to any miners who feel they were misinformed.

At the moment, I believe that the majority if not all groups using the new version were aware.  I don't think it is right or fair to accuse of us of deliberately stealing. 

Updates will follow today.

@stonehedge,

Thank you for looking at the problems from a miner/pool ops perspective & finally addressing my/their concerns.

Yes, stealing is a strong word & one I don't like to use any more than you like to hear it - but it is what it is. When something is taken from someone else without their knowledge or consent, it is stealing - weather intentional or not, the word is the same. I think it is also worth mentioning that the amounts taken are not so much the issue, it is the percentage - 40%, which is a large amount, that was the bigger issue.

The rollout of thrones has been pretty shambolic from beginning to this point in time tbh, but I am happy that someone on the crowncoin team has finally decided to address the issues instead of trying to make excuses or posting abusive comments - & for that I commend you. Hopefully others on your team will follow suit.

I look forward to seeing the thread OP, the website & gitrepo updated with clear information about the state of play regarding thrones so that everyone who wishes to get involved will fully understand what software to use & how to use it. When this has been done & I see that any coins requested to be returned are done so, I will consider pointing my hash back at CRW & supporting the network again.

Do not trust Yobit scam exchange or shady ICO's run by known scam companies like HashCoins - they WILL steal from you:
https://translate.google.com/translate?u=https://bitnovosti.com/2017/06/28/stop-this-for-bitcoins-sake/
Always research & use due diligence before investing. If your questions aren't answered - don't touch it.
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