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Author Topic: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker  (Read 1649147 times)
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March 26, 2013, 08:57:00 PM
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I was wondering if  you could create some sort of trading card game where the cards are mined and then people take them and use them in a virtual play ground.

Isn't that basically the idea of most MMORPGs? Grind for 24 hours and get a new level and a fancy sword?

In a way yes, but that is governed by a central issuer.

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March 26, 2013, 08:59:01 PM
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Moved to the bigger walls now. It also looks like a triangle is forming. At times I wonder if the Wallmaker actually attempts to manufacture triangles by creating and altering massive walls on the bids and asks. Moving the walls tighter and tighter as needed.
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March 26, 2013, 09:01:57 PM
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Moved to the bigger walls now. It also looks like a triangle is forming. At times I wonder if the Wallmaker actually attempts to manufacture triangles by creating and altering massive walls on the bids and asks. Moving the walls tighter and tighter as needed.

How many entities do you believe are able to show a BTC10-15k wall? How many actually do it? Single or multiple manipulators?

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March 26, 2013, 09:03:23 PM
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Holy crap.

Bids are creeping towards 10mil USD (WHAT?!) while the only action on the ask side are the walls that go up and down.  The pressure here is immense.

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March 26, 2013, 09:04:06 PM
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I think someone mentioned that Coinlab will likely issue 1099's for tax purposes and therefore it seems likely they will require ID verification if it is true.I don't know about the USD redeemable codes though.

That will certainly fix the Goxopoly problem, thus insuring The Scattering (http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Scattering) occurs and we remain on God Emperor Satoshi's Golden Path.

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March 26, 2013, 09:05:38 PM
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Holy crap.

Bids are creeping towards 10mil USD (WHAT?!) while the only action on the ask side are the walls that go up and down.  The pressure here is immense.

Ask side experiencing wall erectile dysfunction.
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March 26, 2013, 09:06:47 PM
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Holy crap.

Bids are creeping towards 10mil USD (WHAT?!) while the only action on the ask side are the walls that go up and down.  The pressure here is immense.

Ask side experiencing wall erectile dysfunction.

Proving what we expected all along: These bear manipulators are really just suffering from defective penile syndrome.

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March 26, 2013, 09:08:49 PM
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I was wondering if  you could create some sort of trading card game where the cards are mined and then people take them and use them in a virtual play ground.

Great way to encourage hoarding saving!  Tie the quality of items to size/age of a wallet address.

The older/bigger your balance, the better skin/sword/level you get. 

Satoshi would have the Sword of 1000 Truths, of course. 

Of course, you could simply arrange for a way to let League of Legends trolls players bet BTC on games and get rich much faster.   Cheesy

The difference between bad and well-developed digital cash will determine whether we have a dictatorship or a real democracy.  David Chaum 1996
Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect.  Adam Back 2014
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Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016
Blocks must necessarily be full for the Bitcoin network to be able to pay for its own security.  davout 2015
Blocksize is an intentionally limited resource, like the 21e6 BTC limit.  Changing it degrades the surrounding economics, creating negative incentives.  Jeff Garzik 2013


"I believed @Dashpay instamine was a bug & not a feature but then read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg13017231#msg13017231
I'm not against people making money, but can't support questionable origins."
https://twitter.com/Tone_LLT/status/717822927908024320


The raison d'être of bitcoin is trustlessness. - Eric Lombrozo 2015
It is an Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be “Above the Law”  Paul Sztorc 2015
Resiliency, not efficiency, is the paramount goal of decentralized, non-state sanctioned currency -Jon Matonis 2015

Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016

Technology tends to move in the direction of making surveillance easier, and the ability of computers to track us doubles every eighteen months. - Phil Zimmerman 2013

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March 26, 2013, 09:11:30 PM
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Paging Loaded, party of 1.  Was that you?  ;p  Was fortunate to look at the chart and caught the massive trade.





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March 26, 2013, 09:13:17 PM
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Moved to the bigger walls now. It also looks like a triangle is forming. At times I wonder if the Wallmaker actually attempts to manufacture triangles by creating and altering massive walls on the bids and asks. Moving the walls tighter and tighter as needed.

How many entities do you believe are able to show a BTC10-15k wall? How many actually do it? Single or multiple manipulators?

I have no clue of course, and only watch what everyone else watches. But I'd imagine there are at least a couple people with that buying power who do the walls, probably others that don't. I tend to think of them as lone wolves or at least a single person controlling the groups money since those walls are never a collection of bids, as they go up and down instantly. I tend to think their goal is to make more coins cheap by placing walls at key times and price points, while also generally 'protecting' the market from lunacy spikes that could cause too much fear. OR there is someone doing one of those, and someone else doing the other. But you can never know for sure so it is damn annoying to watch.
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March 26, 2013, 09:27:36 PM
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Holy crap.

Bids are creeping towards 10mil USD (WHAT?!) while the only action on the ask side are the walls that go up and down.  The pressure here is immense.

I'm not sure this measure (bid sum) makes much sense. I just cancelled about $2500 (a lot for me) worth of old bids that never got filled (between $20 and $45). I don't even have to fiat to support these on mtGox, you can just have "invalid" bids. I'm sorry, this is probably common knowledge, but are invalid bids shown in the public order book?

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March 26, 2013, 09:30:38 PM
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Holy crap.

Bids are creeping towards 10mil USD (WHAT?!) while the only action on the ask side are the walls that go up and down.  The pressure here is immense.

I'm not sure this measure (bid sum) makes much sense. I just cancelled about $2500 (a lot for me) worth of old bids that never got filled (between $20 and $45). I don't even have to fiat to support these on mtGox, you can just have "invalid" bids. I'm sorry, this is probably common knowledge, but are invalid bids shown in the public order book?


No.
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March 26, 2013, 10:01:06 PM
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Does anyone else see no trades coming through? Clarkmoody and bitcoinity haven't updated for me in for about 5 mins.

EDIT: As soon as I posted I did see a mighty 0.1 buy come up.

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March 26, 2013, 10:03:39 PM
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Does anyone else see no trades coming through? Clarkmoody and bitcoinity haven't updated for me in for about 5 mins.

EDIT: As soon as I posted I did see a mighty 0.1 buy come up.
Expect things to slow down as Europe sleeps!

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March 26, 2013, 10:11:35 PM
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Does anyone else see no trades coming through? Clarkmoody and bitcoinity haven't updated for me in for about 5 mins.

EDIT: As soon as I posted I did see a mighty 0.1 buy come up.

I was wondering the same but it appears the other exchanges are rather quiet as well.

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March 26, 2013, 10:24:55 PM
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Holy crap.

Bids are creeping towards 10mil USD (WHAT?!) while the only action on the ask side are the walls that go up and down.  The pressure here is immense.

I'm not sure this measure (bid sum) makes much sense. I just cancelled about $2500 (a lot for me) worth of old bids that never got filled (between $20 and $45). I don't even have to fiat to support these on mtGox, you can just have "invalid" bids. I'm sorry, this is probably common knowledge, but are invalid bids shown in the public order book?


No.

Thanks. This is correct, I confirmed it empirically.

I put 2 orders, 1 open, 1 invalid:


[  4] {f994caed-d6fd-4e42-9fe3-c5e97e2513eb} | bid    1.0      62.62626 - open
[ 11] {16706be4-5953-4ad3-98e8-78c90c3d1003} | bid    1.0      42.42424 - invalid


only the open one shows in the public orderbook (fulldepth)

# select * from fulldepth where price in (42.42424, 62.62626) and poll_id > 2700;
    id    | poll_id |  price   |   amount   |      stamp       | type
----------+---------+----------+------------+------------------+------
 28529939 |    2718 | 62.62626 | 1.00000000 | 1364336282855010 |    1


So now I agree, this is humongeously bullish. At least 9.5 million USD on mtGox (6 million above $50).

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March 26, 2013, 10:27:23 PM
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Yup, $9.5 mil bids (record) with 53k BTC in asks (relatively low).  Takeoff is approaching.

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March 26, 2013, 10:33:01 PM
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Wasn't there a really huge bid wall in the low 30s a while back? That huge wall at 51.03 reminds me of that:




  price   |      btc       |          usd
----------+----------------+-----------------------
 51.03000 | 28045.91420000 | 1431183.0016260000000


That's 1.4 million USD in (probably) one order Wink

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March 26, 2013, 10:36:42 PM
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Of course I know it works both ways but why be a bear?  Saw another huge trade just a bit ago.


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March 26, 2013, 10:40:03 PM
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Yup, $9.5 mil bids (record) with 53k BTC in asks (relatively low).  Takeoff is approaching.

I may be mistaken but why do we have record bids all attempting to buy BTC lower than it's currently selling for ?

What are they waiting for ?

Is there some kind of strange procedure that people follow when purchasing ?

Something like this :

1 Get some fresh USD onto MtGox after a long verification process
2 Place an order which oviously won't be fulfulled as the price is rising beyond your bid price
3 Wait for the price of BTC to go up by several more dollars
4 Make your eventual purchase at your leisure with no urgency to 'buy low' whatsoever

It doesn't sound right to me
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