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It is almost impossible to make money with a negative house edge over any significant period of time. It's basically just a free giveaway. I don't think a 0.1-0.4% edge is sustainable either unless you have a very low max bet and no or very low operational costs.
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No matter what happens , no matter who bails on their website and runs away with users coins , no matter how many kerpeles situation we will see. I seriously doubt stunna will ever be one of them. He will always be here , why would anyone who makes this much income (hopefully , he seems to lose a lot on hufflepuff situation but his profit should be a lot to cover that) just take the coins and run away , he is a bitcoin giant , a monopoly , he will get all of our coins anyway  Why would he try to steal it? There were four cashouts for a total of under 0.1BTC held for manual review, I've pushed them through. Sorry for the inconvenience. |
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Am I fucked? I had it like this: I use Multibit, but my wallet is encrypted with a 16 character passcode, randomly generated. This pass was saved in a text file on my external HDD. I was ratted, and now the file was deleted. As well, I think my HDD was formatted  I don't remember even the first character. Maybe it was a c or f, I don't know . I'll offer a big bounty, maybe 6 BTC to whoever can help unlock my wallet. Bumblebee is an alt of Homosexual / Candystripes. (Pretty damn sure) You're an admitted minor hanging about a 18+ gambling site. Now you are trying to get some poor sap to crack someone elses wallet.. *shakes head* I agree, I'm quite sure he's going after this PD user's wallet: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2yf2nt/are_these_your_1031607744_bitcoins/Naturally, he has no idea what the possible passcode is much like the other 100 would-be thieves attempting to crack it. All we can do is hope that the owner of this wallet has a secure password. |
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You do realize that he had an unhashed server seed, he played over a period of months and won massive over a period of 20+ hours of consistent betting. If were were rigging his bets wouldn't we have instantly realized he was cheating instead of continuing to pay him out thousands of coins over months? Honestly, at this point I'm just convinced you're a troll, if you continue to bump this with nonsense posts I will leave you negative trust.
If a moderator sees this, I firmly believe this thread should be locked/deleted. If you follow along with the conversation it's clear OP is spreading illogical FUD.
Stunna, don't be unprofesssional. My posts aren't nonsense, don't call them that. If you give me negative trust, it would do nothing but make you look bad. You still haven't answered why somehow, on Primedice people hit unbelievable loss streaks extremely often. Literally all my PD friends from 2013 to now can agree. I'm not a troll, if anything you are just posting to try and make PD look legit. This is more of a "community warning" to warn members to just use any other site. So far it's been doing well. This thread is 100% valid. It's not FUD, or illogical. I'm not a troll, in fact your intelligence and way and handling problems is proving to me you aren't smart either. If one of the hotdog places near your house start pissing in your drinks how will you know? By common sense! You can't prove it, but it's quite obvious it's true. Don't be unprofessional, deal with this the right way and answer my question. Why do so many users hit unbelievable streaks extremely often? Don't just say luck, I want a real answer. You're going to be caught soon and I know it. First of all, 10x in a row hardly counts as an "unbelievable streak". And second of all, Primedice has around 4.4 billion bets, individual accounts such as yours were able to place thousands of bets in incredibly short periods of time. When you go to a casino and sit at the roulette table, how often can you place a new wager? The point is you can gamble for years without hitting a large streak as placing 10,000 individual bets at a casino table can take years of betting, meanwhile on primedice you can place over 100,000 bets in a single 24 hour period. Also, I don't care about being "unprofessional" I care about being trustworthy and reliable. If posting "primedice is rigged" then posting screenshots of 10x loss streaks isn't slander/FUD I don't know what is. Give this a read and all will be made clear: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_biasOh and by the way, your account has over 100% luck indicating that you've won more bets than you statistically should have. I recommend carefully reading over your arguments, contrast them with the facts and lock this thread. I've finally said everything I wanted to say and will use all my will power to not reply beyond this point and grant you additional undeserved attention. |
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Ok, I'm hoping I don't get hate or neg trust this, but all scams start with something similar to this. I've been a member of PD for 1.5 years and as all old players know, Stunna is a sketchy and shady administrator. It's not just a feeling that because I lose it's a scam. Hell, I've played on PD for 1.5 years nearly every day. This is a trend I have been seeing. I play on other sites such as JD, PRC, SafeDice, BitDice, etc. and PD is something...special. I mean a small little page of some numbers (verification page) doesn't prove much. Dicebitco.in proved that statement to be true. I am taking a community initiative to do this, since I strongly believe there is something Stunna is hiding from us. I decided to finally do this because since the launch of PD3, the site seems even more rigged. Not heavily, but rather sneakily. Proof isn't easy to get, so I'd rather just take the community involved and see what they have to say. Here is just one of my many screenshots to come of me losing. Remember I'm not butthurt, but rather am trying to do the community a favor: http://i.gyazo.com/c934f6d25d9ad8f1920a4be0f4cf2283.pnghttp://prntscr.com/6i699lhttp://prntscr.com/6jzutmhttp://gyazo.com/948d0bfefe3921ff6812a21c4c202c7fhttp://prntscr.com/6hylyyhttps://i.imgur.com/zSR7bdy.pnghttp://prntscr.com/6i3cb6http://prntscr.com/6i69lq^^ The above was collected within 24 hours If you think Stunna has something sneaky going on in the back, please post your opinions! Oh, and please do not post if you aren't a long-time member of Primedice, or play there only occasionally. I'm looking for players who have spent 100+ hours on the site and know it full well. I think it's about time the community's feedback proves something. EDIT 2: I am not saying that that loss streak is proof. I am saying it's an example to the scams that are going on. dude, i think if PD is rigged, why they can paid someone who won over 2000 BTC? and i think primedice is one of provably fair gambling sites. Because that player was cheating You do realize that he had an unhashed server seed, he played over a period of months and won massive over a period of 20+ hours of consistent betting. If were were rigging his bets wouldn't we have instantly realized he was cheating instead of continuing to pay him out thousands of coins over months? Honestly, at this point I'm just convinced you're a troll, if you continue to bump this with nonsense posts I will leave you negative trust. If a moderator sees this, I firmly believe this thread should be locked/deleted. If you follow along with the conversation it's clear OP is spreading illogical FUD. The entire community has weighed in, if bumbleBee ends up finding any piece of proof other than a screenshot of losing 10x in a row (after placing thousands of bets) he can post a new thread. |
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I deposited nearly 2 BTC this morning, and NOTHING credited to my account. Here's the transaction log from my deposit address: https://blockchain.info/address/1KDSScr3v1cqY8q9wfkfDtjPG74CQQmPoUTwo transactions for 0.9995 BTC each, and there is NOTHING in my Primedice account (UN: Geoffrey) Can someone from Primedice explain this? Ed should be up any moment now so he will sort it out . Sorry to be a pain, but over $500 has been floating in the wind all day, it's been stressful. Can I PM you my email address so you can update? Or will you please send me updates on facebook? I will send you message on facebook when its credited . Sorry for waiting. And don't worry , u will get that deposit 100% . Please check now, sorry about that. Included a bonus for the inconvenience. It appears a few other users who deposited during the brief downtime earlier today were not credited, I will now take care of the remaining. |
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How many do you think are eligible for the club today? I would think it is far less than 5000 individuals, maybe closer to 500..  Let's revisit this during times of despair in the markets.  So... more or less than 500 now? I would guess less. The distribution function continues as volatility rolls on. 300 to 500 is my guess. There's 712 addresses with 2000 or more bitcoin currently. 549 of these have 2100 or more. The majority of bitcoin users aren't storing all their coins on one address, but it's also safe to say that many of these addresses are owned by single individuals (Draper, Winkelvoss twins etc). My random guess is about 400 different groups/individuals. As bitcoin begins to move towards $1000 again, there is going to be a massive psychological barrier for members of this club that have held that amount during prior bubbles. I think in the short term this group will grow smaller before it expands as members sell their coins off to large groups of individuals investing in bitcoin for the first time. |
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rainbot stats (regularly updated)Since people asked I added a rainbot Top-200 here: http://pdstats.co.nf/rainbot-stats.htmlI also added it to the rainbot-faq. if you have suggestions, please let me know! Very cool, thanks for adding that in. It could be neat to see who are the most active chat users as chat message count is logged. |
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Hey Stunna,
I'm doing my best to stay professional here. We know the facts: there's a house edge, you get alot of volume, but also all players hit weird streaks much more and weirdly often than other websites. That's a fact. As Ryan said, the provably fair system doesn't "100%" prove it to be fair.
Another weird suspicion is how Primedice 3 took almost half year to come out with. I remember PD3 being talked about in early January 2014 actually. Nothing changed except tips and the layout. The rolls also got slower. I think that's it. So, what took you guys so long? Just making the new layout? I don't think so, I think you kept delaying and delaying because of my accusation. Something's changed and I know it.
I told you, I lose on Primedice almost everyday. I'll keep uploading screenshots day after day to prove something. I'm still waiting for someone to prove this right, but you're smart enough to hide it well.
Don't get me wrong, I've seen tons of threads like the "lost 1 btc, PD is rigged". This is something I'm seeing overtime.
If I could prove that PD is a scam the same way that DiceBit got caught, then PD would be shutdown already. But you made it sneakier so there's no valid way to prove me right besides the crazy amount of loss streaks.
You've clearly completely ignored my post and have absolutely no understanding of provable fairness. I'm done arguing here. |
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"The I lost ten times in a row so this website is rigged thread" But seriously, this type of accusation is 100% baseless and disrespectful. Provably fair exists for a reason, I strongly recommend cease stop gambling forever if you cannot handle variance. You do realize Primedice paid out a single individual 2400-2500 coins which he won over a period of months, if we had intentions to rig bets wouldn't we have gone after him not your bitcent bets? Recently a user turned 0.05 to 175 coins (seriously) and after losing 20-30 coins or so he claimed the website was rigged for a brief period of time. If these claims aren't unfair I don't know what is. Primedice is currently taking in around 90% week over week of all dicing volume, there is simply no incentive for us to cheat when we have a house edge. You would be hard-pressed to find a more trustworthy gaming option in all of bitcoin. Learn how provable fairness works and verify your bets. I'm not going to waste more time in the future defending against these types of accusations, we've proven our trustworthiness and have put in as perfect of a system as possible to let users verify fairness. There are just so many points to attack your argument from and I simply don't have the time. With all due respect, you need to look at the facts, verify your bets, and lock this blind accusation thread. ---------------- Instead of reading my redundant argument, mathematically prove the bets were fair: http://dicesites.com/provably-fairhttp://primedice.com/verifyThanks |
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This may seem to be an issue theoretically , but if you see in practical terms, this has never been an issue for me. We just have to find people who are willing to play pvp and all the people are pretty much okay with adjusting their bet amount. Dividing people in various chat rooms of 0.1BTC, 0.001BTC etc would just distribute the people and soon you'll have all these 3 chat rooms empty. We aren't able to get enough people in a single chat room(pvp channel) and so collecting people for 3 different chat rooms seems to be an impossible task.
you are indeed right, but I actually happened to think of another idea, there could be a list of those who requested pvp, some sort of table, those who requested pvp will have his balance to be held and and his username will appear in a table, those who wanted to pvp can easily click on the table, since it is a table, there will be a filter option of whichpvp bet you are seeking for, but I think this might take up some consumption to the database We'll consider this, having the option to send an offer to everyone would definitely increase PVP activity. I'm not too interested in adding some sort of PVP list, PVP needs to remain as instant as possible and offers should expire after a minute or less in my opinion. |
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MDMA suggested something interesting today which we'll most likely implement.He recommended we move PVP to the main channel but allow users to turn PVP mode on or off. Leaving it off would ignore all PVP's. Leaving it on would let you see PVP's over a certain amount along with challenges. I'd like to remove PVP and merge it with main chat as soon as possible as it is currently dead content as a stand-alone.
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Yes, we are aware. Mutes need to disable tips. Should be fixed asap.
they even did before introducing the mute timer - no idea why it was changed. We'll re-add that in. I'll lock those accounts for the time being. you can lock these two accounts too: lucky1488 and moneymagnet they have been doing it since the 21st of January and still going.... I'll check them out as soon as I'm at my other computer. Thanks for the heads up |
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Yes, we are aware. Mutes need to disable tips. Should be fixed asap.
they even did before introducing the mute timer - no idea why it was changed. We'll re-add that in. I'll lock those accounts for the time being. |
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Remember that nonce jumping problem I was talking about before? Well now the issue has escalated to bets straight up not being shown at all. The last two bets pictured here are missing a bet in the middle that was apparently a loss if I do the math on my balance correctly. No matter how many times I refresh, the bet isn't showing up on my Recent Bets list. This makes the site basically unusable unless I am manually cross-checking my balance with my bet wagered after every single roll.
The age old adage with dice sites to "check your bets" is out the fucking window as long as this bug is around.
Found another missing nonce further down my bet list that's still visible.
How recently did this occur? Also it's important to note that a nonce will and can ONLY increase if a bet is placed, so it simply wasn't logging client side early today for some users when the site had gateway errors and then server downtime. Your balance should have still been effected by every bet placed though and the bets certainly do exist a nonce can't be arbitrarily skipped. This seems to happen occasionally right before there is server downtime (people not on the site cannot enter.) Edit: I spoke with our developer and he made some changes to our struggling bet storage system which should prevent these types of display glitches. Rest assured though that there was no skipping or manipulation, this was essentially a front-end issue. |
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All will be explained in full detail soon. We've been working on figuring out how to do some sort of full transparency report along with interesting stats for the community. The full story is as interesting as it is tragic.
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Since this up again.
Robinnhood = Hufflepuff. Both abusing the same exploit I posted about a couple of months ago.
Hufflepuff was paid out over 2.5k BTC over multiple accounts he used with this exploit. Can link the TXID's if need be since I'm not concerned about his privacy obviously. Robinnhood however was not paid out as when we patched the glitch we made it so anyone who did it could not withdraw in an attempt to recoup a small amount of our losses from the exploit. So instead he kept rolling wins in attempt to be funny with no ability to cash out.
Hope this clears things up.
And Primedice's bank roll was barely affected and the exploit is now 100% fixed. The exploit only affected the house & not players. This is another reason why we don't accept investments and advise others to be careful doing so! Unforeseeable stuff like this happens.
Thank you for the fast reply, can you post here in the forum the various transaction id ? I think it would be a valid proof. EDIT: can you explain the exploit, not it is patched so I think there is not a problem. Maybe better privately. Here's the address he was cashing out to. https://blockchain.info/address/14iS2UvcLK33xkC1K1qL1dhEbp49aiNfNphttp://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/4c9d4c23c65af238?from_address=14iS2UvcLK33xkC1K1qL1dhEbp49aiNfNp |
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