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1601  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 7000+$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐ on: June 14, 2023, 02:09:34 PM
Also All England players are overrated due to Premier League quality and rule that PL clubs have to have certain amount of English players.
Overated and lazy by default. Agreed.

Agree most of them are lazier than when they play club football, but I think, on evidence of what I see, at least Saka plays his heart out for club and country. That's kinda why I liked him a lot. But overall, they do suffer from being hugely overrated. I rarely enjoy watching England play, it's just not exciting stuff.

Do think that Southgate has reduced a lot of the club rivalry that got in the way of previous iterations, though.

What he hasn't succeeded at, and this is why England needs to rethink managerial appointments, is to get them to play without their own delusions of grandeur. I think they take to the field thinking they're really good players. Croatia, Belgium, they play with much more national pride (and without pressure probably).

France probably suffers from this a little, lately Germany and Spain, to me anyway.

You sort of need, to create an English national team that's nice to watch and makes use of their attacking talent, a coach that makes your team feel like you're fighting for your life, and blood and fire, and all that. I would actually really like someone like Simeone to make the team feel like it's them vs the rest of the world, to play with brutal physicality, but with an attacking mentality, of say, France.

But that's an opinion of a couch strategist. Perhaps national psyche has much more to do with England results and eventual pitch performance.
1602  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Africa Football Discussion Thread || Current Topic: AFCON Qualifiers 2023. on: June 14, 2023, 10:05:23 AM
So I ask: where is soccer in Africa evolving?

with so much corruption in soccer in africa, evolution is impossible, in soccer fields in africa only a few big teams can see the fields with many people watching, and the reason is simple: few people have the financial power to buy tickets and go watching the games, it is a sad scenario, corrupt managers do not watch the games, probably they should not even be a fan of any team, in Africa there are still problems of a country not being able to pay the player's salary when he represents the national team, things that they just embarrass africa
Not only do few individuals have the financial power to buy a ticket for a game, but many African nationals are less inclined to watch African games in the first place. It always seems as though we lack the enthusiasm to accomplish that due to our poor stadium management, the potential conflict that could result from opposing fans attacking one another, the absence of an effective game plan, and the officials' poor officiating.

When it comes to receiving good pay as an African player, our leaders perform poorly. They don't want to sponsor or pay the players properly because they don't think that football will bring them riches or add anything to their state's or nation's economy. Because of this, they are never as concerned about the welfare of all the players. Because of this, the players wouldn't play or give their all for the team they are playing for.

You guys talk about all these problems that are almost an exact template for the problems of football in Southeast Asia.

Regular people affording tickets? It's not as bad as Europe in terms of price, but in terms of percentage of minimum wage, a normal person has to give up 2% of his salary per game for the shittiest ticket.

Corrupt owners and states who mismanage? Check. Absent managers who are political appointments? Check. Salaries unpaid? Check.

But I highly doubt it's just a problem of salary -- I agree it needs to be fixed across all sports, because it is not seen as a viable career in Southeast Asia where pay is not certain, and pension is non-existent. We have gold medallists and Olympians fall into obscurity as soon as they are too old to compete.

Our peak was in the 70s to 90s, when we were playing amateurs and semi-professionals. Today it's professional football with higher salaries, but that didn't help the game or our overall rankings. It made stadiums nicer. It made jerseys nicer. Sponsorships glitzier. Loads of Balkan, South American, and African imports to make it look as if we're international. But football quality? F* me but I can't stand watching a game anymore. At least in the 1990s there were bucketfuls of spirit from the players.

but the problem is that all teams in my country have government companies as sponsors, they are public companies managed by the party that is governing my country, so the leaders of the teams are people from the party that is also governing my country country

Allow me to introduce you to Serie A then. Berlusconi just passed away and he is the symbol of how Italian football was for a long time deeply tied to political parties and Italian leadership. No need to wonder about corruption in Italy and football -- Juventus stripped of titles before, and now more recently again. After the PM's adventure with Milan, he bought Monza and took it up also.

So we can blame corruption, but we can also blame a general lack of interest in football development. You can have corrupt leaders who see football clubs as a passion project and make them successful. Of course, today, the scene is different as big teams are already owned now by China and USA (thinking of Inter and Milan anyway) but I believe you see the same in Russian league, proving that you can still have good footballing clubs even with corrupt leaders meddling in club ownership.

I still think it's down to structure, and will. Is football a big enough priority? In many African and Southeast Asian countries, unfortunately, it is not.
1603  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🦊 Betnomi.com | Champions League Pool ⚽️ Discussion Thread on: June 14, 2023, 07:53:50 AM
Hey all, prizes were disbursed to the winners last night, when I received Saint-loup's message with his address. Had already edited the post on prizes, as well as OP to leave historical results, but of course, forgot to make a post here to inform.

With that, the Betnomi Champions League Pool (2022/23) is concluded. Thank you to everyone for your support, I hope Betnomi enjoyed sponsoring as much as we enjoyed playing. Don't spend your winnings all in one place!
1604  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin whale 'awakens' after 10 years. on: June 13, 2023, 05:31:07 PM
Doubt we really have more than a handful of big whale wallets who no longer are alive.

again this topic is about a MTGOX stash. a stash thats suppose to be of ~200kbtc. all split up into smaller amounts of a few thousands btc each.. so expect lot of movements of a few thousand btc to move from 2013 in the next couple years

also people put funds into retirement plans when they are 20 they they cant touch until they are 60. so dormancy should be thought of as 40+ years. not 2,5,10
heck i have a stash thats 11 years. i have no plans on moving it anytime soon

Precisely! I think there's too much attention given to wallets that wake up, and I really doubt there are more than a known handful of wallets that would surprise people if they "woke up".

I've got a pension balance (hardly worth a few months' min wage) that's been sitting dormant for over 20 years, I couldn't even touch it until I'm 55 anyway, so it's forced dormancy ha.

Btw ,with all these whale alert platforms have seen all around Twitter and other social media platforms...what's the motive of these, do they get paid to know when such transactions happen?? And without a face or name to the transaction, what good does it serve?

Don't think they get paid, they're just bots and scripts. Probably want an audience to shill too later or show ads to (if not already done). What good does it serve? I put that very question often to any number of crypto channels/sources I unfortunately have to monitor for work. Whale alerts? Price drop/surge alert? Exchange inflow/outflow alert? I think speculators do act on them, but probably not to the effect desired.
1605  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Sportsbet.io ⚽ EURO 2024 Qualifiers ⚽ GOALFEST ⚽ [Friday + Saturday] on: June 13, 2023, 03:29:06 PM
60 goals
1606  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Sportsbet.io - UFC on ESPN 47 - Multi Master Challenge - (Saturday, 17 June) on: June 13, 2023, 03:28:29 PM
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NOT go the Full Distance 5
1607  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Sportsbet.io 🏎️🏁 Canadian Grand Prix 🏁🏎️ Prediction Contest on: June 13, 2023, 03:25:39 PM
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4. 9 seconds
1608  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 7000+$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐ on: June 13, 2023, 02:32:17 PM
Just sent mine and felt like questions were actually tricky for me when it comes to say, handball. I don't know anything about it, so I have to rely on bookie odds to understand who's the favourite. Then, the other problem is I find it very difficult to not answer the way I bet, and not to overthink things -- F1 I believe will be the question with the most surprises, as it often is even on a "predictable" track.

For the driver match-up, for example, without mentioning the names, there's one pair where the favourite odds-wise is huge, but performance wise, he's only beaten the guy once (when they both finished). For me it makes much more sense to bet on the underdog here given H2H this season he has an equal performance. But I must learn not to pick that underdog for this BSFL format, I believe that was my mistake last season, giving away points on big underdog.

Slissy is up next, yikes *cracks fingers*
Ha, I have seen that match and gave it a derby title in my weekly article on Sportsbet. Go give it a read, especially if you like seeing your name online  Grin

https://sportsbet.io/sports/soccer/news/bitcoin-talk-sports-fanatics-league-1

And yes this means we have coverage on Sportsbet site as well as dedicated chat group there. Drop by and say hello to a couple of people that are playing with us but can't have bitcointalk account. This is of course invitation for everyone, not just buwaytress.

That's a nice homage to Slissy, and I will be hoping his form from round 1 continues because I'm really not sure how to pick some of these answers. Research isn't helpful at all in some cases haha.

Definitely should make more effort to say hello on Clubtalk, I did show up for UCL final but it's getting harder and harder to get time to relax and chat these evenings. Summer holiday in July/Aug when kids are all out of school should be better in terms of having more free time, but I'll then be 7 hours ahead... not sure wife would be happy if I say I have to go online at 2 am to catch Trofo, Slissy, LFC_Bitcoin etc. (even if she knows how cool you guys are hahaha)
1609  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Do you think BIP 106 would have solved the Mempool congestion due to BRC20? on: June 13, 2023, 01:48:51 PM
segwit has not caused leaner transactions of actual byte counting.. they miscount the bytes and allowed longer scripts and even opcodes for scripts that are unrelated to signature proving a utxo spend
infact compared to pre 2017 the average byte length of a transaction has gone up MASSIVELY

But isn't that how all "compression" happens anyway with data? Even considering pruning, to the way I understand it, it's just discounting data, and thank you for the further explanations -- I doubt I can truly understand how it works, all I know is my txs are smaller in size from the way the wallet sees it. And that's how I see the theory of "leaner or more efficient" progress rather than bandwidth progress. It might require better cleaning up of clutter as you say, but I don't know enough to know why it wasn't done. I might need to see a visual example (but the way I understand is that the longer scripts anyway count for tx size, otherwise why did all these ordinals brc20 nonsense cost a lot?).

Pretty much out of my depth to be able to provide a meaningful response sadly...
1610  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin whale 'awakens' after 10 years. on: June 13, 2023, 10:30:31 AM
Actually, I hardly view these dormancies to be "unexpected" anymore these days. I fully expect dormant addresses (how we view them as dormant is also curious, is it 2 years, 5 years, 10?) to be activated at some point. My own wallet from 2017 only "woke up" in 2020, and almost completed 4 years. I'm guessing anyone who holds also finds no need to move (mine was only to upgrade to segwit).

Doubt we really have more than a handful of big whale wallets who no longer are alive.
1611  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Do you think BIP 106 would have solved the Mempool congestion due to BRC20? on: June 12, 2023, 08:47:24 PM
^ 13000 tx every 10 minutes would be really cool, and Segwit making leaner txs still resulted in full blocks, I always expect to see this as the gradual way forward -- upgrades that result in leaner, more efficient txs, rather than just widening the bandwidth.

Then again, when I was in the 1990s thinking everyone would focus development on making better compressions for leaner data formats... spent hours on websites making sure they were as small as possible (in bytes). It went the other way (in my view) -- bandwidth just exploded, and people didn't care about efficiency anymore.

 
In order for Bitcoin to succeed, blocks must be full.

If blocks are never full, then there is never a reason for a transaction to pay more 1 satoshi in fees. As the subsidy is reduced, fees become more important. So at some point, full blocks will be necessary in order to ensure that the revenue is high enough to discourage a 51% attack.

Changes that attempt to prevent full blocks would directly impact the security of Bitcoin.

I may not see this is a hard rule, but I certainly can find some space to agree that the entire structure of returns for those securing the network (miners) was designed to ensure there was always incentive to mine. Coin generation at first (the subsidy as many say), then later the fees.

People give a lot of credit to adoption, commercial interest, recognition, for price. And credit due, but I still feel that the actual financial cost of securing the network, and the necessity of profit for the miner, still play that hard economic backbone.

By design, isn't it?
1612  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🦊 Betnomi.com | Champions League Pool ⚽️ Discussion Thread on: June 12, 2023, 07:36:07 PM
^ Just to drop a note that yeah, I'm waiting for Saint-loup -- sent 2 PMs but maybe PM notification doesn't work with his (though he was online Saturday and Sunday, so he should have seen them). Waiting on you to send out prizes, or are you donating the fund to next season's pool? Wink

He's a fairly active user, so I don't think there's any rush, for now...

Oh and as soon as Sevilla-City markets come up, I'm dumping money on the Spaniards. I'm already sick with the idea of City treble, just because...

1613  Economy / Gambling / Re: FORTUNEJACK.COM |Deposit 777 play with 1777 mBTC |Live Casino, Slots, Betting on: June 12, 2023, 03:46:37 PM
Football season in Europe over, guess the new rules for Sportsbook will affect international qualifiers, though really, the new season comes in July anyway, for some reason feels like a shorter break than usual (or my imagination?).

Got a couple of questions on the new Sportsbook, anyone who knows feel free to answer.

1. Where on earth do we change odds format? I like decimals, or at least fractional... I get American now and can't find the setting to change.
2. Where can I find outright markets? E.g. in Soccer, I see the competitions, I see the markets per match, but where are the outrights or "specials"? e.g., "To win the tournament".
1614  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 7000+$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐ on: June 12, 2023, 12:21:42 PM
GG jayce, just glad we both gave it a good go, different answers to every question except City and Stanley Cup. I'm more relieved than anything to get a win in BSFL, which sort of goes to show what quality we're up against every week.

Nations League will be tricky, I think, because it'll be a glorified friendly and you can't trust coaches and teams to play the same way as in other competitive matches, and lineups aren't at all clear yet.

Slissy is up next, yikes *cracks fingers*
1615  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 7000+$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐ on: June 11, 2023, 01:44:29 PM
Looks like it's down to the wire for tonight's earlier U20 game (my opponent has the 3rd and 4th place answer different from me) to decide if I get nothing or everything. RG final is going as expected, one-sided... but not the side we expected (me at least, I thought it'd be a straight set win).

Trofo, pretty amazing performance from you, or is strongkored giving you too much respect? Haha. At this rate, it's going to be successive promotions.
1616  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's market position inflation corrected on: June 11, 2023, 12:01:24 PM
Get your point (I'm slightly inebriated so maybe that helps, but hey, Sunday afternoon) but if you're adjusting for inflation, at least show the basis for that. I don't really buy the inflation adjustment in my country, or maybe even the US (we're always talking the dollar) but at least there is a straightforward formula for that (CPI, as franky suggests). I personally like the big mac index even though it's no longer as good a ruler as before (for me).

And even the way you chose to set your price for 2011 is poor, you don't pick arbitrary dates (franky points out too), you get at least the average price (again, how you do this matters).

Either way you choose, you won't prove your statement... so please, prove yourself right properly? Eager to see.
1617  Economy / Gambling / Re: Using ToS against users normal? on: June 11, 2023, 10:05:53 AM
Yeah, I think in most cases, casinos do have quite terrible ToS, particularly in crypto gambling. Unfortunately, letter of the law says if you sign up, and accept them, you must abide by them. I have issue with the "ironclad" clause where casino reserves the right to void winnings if suspicious activity is detected (paraphrasing) but is not required to provide evidence or clarity on what that is.

That part's clear: sign up, accept, and you abide by ToS.

But what OP points out is a change to ToS, and that I must agree is unlawful, if done without the customer being informed. Pretty sure that the legal consensus is that any change to contract must require agreement of all parties -- not sure if a ToS is a contract between player and casino but to me it means that users must explicitly agree to any ToS changes before they can be enforced. Disagree, and you withdraw your casino membership, simple as that.
1618  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🦊 Betnomi.com | Champions League Pool ⚽️ Discussion Thread on: June 10, 2023, 10:54:17 PM
Well, that was that. City treble. We're never going to hear the end of it hahaha. Ederson man of the match for just being in the right spot?

The total prize pool stood at 387.5 mBTC, 87.5 mBTC of which was fees.
The results and corresponding prizes in mBTC, are as follows. I rounded down to 2 decimals for fees, I know you won't mind as I'll cover excess fees:

=========================
🥇 1st place: 90 mBTC (30% of sponsorship) + 30% fees (26.25) = 116.25
KTChampions

🥈 2rd place: 60 mBTC (20% of sponsorship) +20% fees (17.5) = 77.5
bullrunbro

🥉 3rd place: 45 mBTC (15% of sponsorship) + 15% fees (13.125) = 58.12
Omifikuse *

🏅 4th place: 30 mBTC (10% of sponsorship) + 10% fees (8.75) = 38.75
BitcoinGirl.Club

🏅 5th place: 22.5 mBTC (7.5% of sponsorship) + 7.5% fees (6.5625) = 29.06
casperBGD

🏅 6th-10th place: 10.5 mBTC (3.5% of sponsorship) + 3.5% fees (3.0625) = 13.56 each
Saint-loup *
LTU_btc
Hhampuz
jayce
cryptofrka

=========================

Names marked with an asterisk have yet to provide an address, so please do so in this spreadsheet. Or reply with it to my PM. Don't delay, people. I want to pay this out by Monday.

As it turned out, final did not affect prizes. BTC is also up ~30% from when we received payments, so it's a nice bonus too! Well done to everyone, see you next season, with a huge penalty for KTChampions?

=============
Edit: Prizes disbursed on 13 June 2023. Tx ID ff6025d6b8eaefb77a8844405e586a2ac6c25a0795220cd4572c62a5b8a95c3b.
1619  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🦊 Betnomi.com | Champions League Pool ⚽️ Discussion Thread on: June 10, 2023, 07:55:25 PM
Not sure what to think, I know people say KdB out is a blow but come on, you get Foden instead? Impossible to reduce the quality of this City team with even max substitutions.

That said, I feel like Inter will be happier with the halftime result. City quite sloppy, though I'll be concerned with the energy levels of Nerazzurri, so far so good, though.

With the famLFC's pick of 2-1 and my pick of 2-0 for Manchester City my 3rd position is guaranteed regardless the result

Fill in the spreadsheet already! Wink
1620  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 5000+$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐ on: June 10, 2023, 03:28:07 PM
Muchova leading 2-0 in the third set (yep, she forced it to go all the way) made me wonder why I didn't pick her as an early bet at 13/1 when I went against Swiatek earlier for a bit less (Haddad).

Then Swiatek reminded me why and rallied just now to 2-all. Wasn't expecting much entertainment but second set was all right (for a casual watcher like me).

Guess most of us anyway have Swiatek in the question -- just now a matter of how many sets (and if she does win at all).
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