The meaning / meaning of the verse is;

 -What is meant by illegitimate months here is a period of ceasefire between Muslims and polytheists. which in any war situation is justified if the Armistice has expired / the period of the peace agreement has expired, then it is justified if one of the warring parties starts the dispute again.

-Fast, maybe in the verse it contains a deep hatred of the polytheists. but after we look carefully and carefully, the message / the real meaning in the verse is actually not. Because not only is the side of the war highlighted in the verse, because on the other hand the verse above also explains the other commandments of Allah, namely;


If Christians turn out to be hot on the title "KAFIR" and try to question it with us, then my advice is for you first; you should "self-correct" !!!

 It should be, before questioning it ... you should check if there are teachings / terms like that in your bible

 And this is the fact;

 If in ISLAM, the designation for Blasphemers / Opponents of God is called "KAFIR" Whereas in CHRISTIAN, the designation for blasphemers / opponents of God is called = "FATTY SHEEPS" ,,,,, hehehehe

 Below is the title of Christians for infidels, as written in the Bible;

 1). In the Bible Jesus calls his people from the Children of Israel as SHEEP "The twelve disciples were sent by Jesus and He told them: Do not turn to the path of other nations or enter the city of the Samaritans. "

 "Instead, go to the sheep that are gone from the people of Israel (only to the Jews)." (Gospel - Matthew 10: 5-6)

 "Jesus answered," I was sent only to "the SHEEPS" lost from the people of Israel '(only to the Jews). "

 2). In the Bible John the Baptist called the Pharisees and Sadducees who disobeyed as TRAVELERS

 Mat. 3: 7 But when he saw many Pharisees and Sadducees coming to be baptized, he said to them, "You are a generation of vipers. Who told you that you can escape the wrath that is coming?

 Luk. 3: 7 Then he said to the crowds who had come to him to be baptized, he said, "O you descendants of vipers! Who told you to flee from the wrath that was coming?

 It's just a variety of biblical designations for followers, using animal names like that. Unlike the call of God in the Qur'an to his people, we often find verses that begin with: "O ye who believe", "O man," "O apostle", "O Gentiles" It feels far more polite than calling an animal call.



Even if there is a verse that mentions Jews like donkeys carrying books, even then the word "Parable" is followed and the word "like" means to show that it is not a direct calling but only a parable, in contrast to the bible that says "sheep", "vipers" even "THIEVES AND ROBBERS" vulgarly.

3). Now we look at the following Gospel verse, Jesus arbitrarily claims that all people who lived before his arrival were THIEVES AND ROBOTS:

John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way and the truth and the life. There is no one who comes to the Father, if not through me. 10: 7 Then Jesus said again," I tell you the truth, I am the door to the sheep. . 10: 8 All who came before me were thieves and robbers, and the sheep did not listen to them. 10: 9 I am the door; he who enters through me, he will be saved and he will enter and exit and find the pasture. 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I come, that they may have life, and have it in all abundance. 10:11 I am a good shepherd. The good shepherd gives his life for his sheep;

Means humans from the time of the prophet Adam until the time before Jesus was a thief / robber

ah the time 'God became a slander like that?


4). Jesus also once humiliated a foreign (non-Jewish) woman by lowering herself more humbly than "DOG":

Matthew 15:24 Jesus answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the people of Israel." 15:25 But the woman approached and worshiped him saying, "Lord, help me." 15:26 But Jesus answered: "It is not proper to take the bread that is provided for the children and throw it to the DOGS."

Astagfirulllah ... I'm surprised !!!
How come humans can be called sheep, vipers?
Besides, how come the Christians really love people by using the term "BEAST"

Sometimes I am confused, is this a Scripture or a Trubus magazine or a "FLORA & FAUNA" magazine?
 how come the contents of the zoo are mentioned ??

Is this what is called Teachings of Love Against Others
Is the Teachings of Love or Teachings "LOVE"

Now Try to Compare ...
Which is more humane among the calls / mentions of "KAFIR" by Muslims, rather than the call "BEAST" as taught in the Bible


Then,,,, There is no need for Christians to deny that even in the teachings of religion, God has cursed and declared to fight God's opponents / blasphemers. And that is included in the Christian teachings themselves, as written in the Bible Verse below;

 "If someone comes to me and He DOES NOT HATE his father, mother, children, brother or sister, even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." (LUKAS 14: 26)

 From the description of the verse above, is it not in the verse that expressly contains God's statement to his people to hate / fight against the Opponents of God ("Stray Sheep"). And look, even so hard / so extreme is the teaching of your Lord to be hostile to God's Opponents / Blasphemers.

 See ; and it is truly extraordinary if until his father, mother, children, brothers or sisters, to hostile / hate them for not agreeing with their beliefs !!!

 See ; is this what is called Teachings of Love

 Then compare what has been taught in Islam as written in the word of God below;

 "And if both of them force you to associate with me with something that you have no knowledge of, then do not obey both of them, and associate them in the world well!" (Surat Luqman: 15)

 "And your Rabb has commanded that you do not worship other than Him and you must do good to the mother of your father as well as possible." (Surat al-Isra: 23)

 Do Christians never reflect?

 See ... Christians should be ashamed !!!

 Why is Islam that teaches respect for Parents and others even though they are of different beliefs, instead called Religion which teaches violence and intolerance, while their own teachings are truly very discriminatory and there is no tolerance at all towards other religious followers, even called Teachings of Love Where do you love


 You do not need to deny if all this time in various ways you want to explain to everyone that Islam only teaches hatred. But that thing without realizing it, Christian hatred is even clearer, while the hatred that you accuse of being in Islam cannot be proven scientifically!

If we think creatively and wiser, Terrorists are a form of dissatisfaction with power, because only people or groups that are greedy and unsatisfied are worthy of being called the Terrorists and not because of the background of RELIGION. Islam never teaches violence, abomination, barbarity, this is clearly written in the holy book of Islam "Al-Quran". Only people who are dissatisfied and lose their senses so forget the religious teachings that he has learned so that he lacks control over him which results in him changing and form a rebellion in the prevailing system, and the world calls "TERRORISTS"

''Whatever made the universe isn't wasn't within the universe when it made the universe. So, it was outside the universe.'' Prove it.

No of course it won't. Excess population in ANY SPECIES is self correcting.

I've been following the arctic death spiral and climate change for years. I've read countless material and my interpretation of it is that civilization will collapse during my lifetime.

I give us 12-50 years at the most.

My reasoning, summarized is as follows.

The temperature of the planet is increasing due to CO2 and Methane increases as well as a significant change in albedo (reflectance).

Civilization broadly defined is the ability to grow grain at scale, store it and distribute it according to social status.

Grain crops will fail due to a change in weather patterns, soil depletion and droughts. The consequences of this cannot be understated, civilization will end. Without enough food, there is no reason for anyone to keep their jobs, and not a lot of people will work if their money is worthless.

In fact we're living though the 6th mass extinction, the climate has changed very rapidly and a lot of species are simply running out of habitat. The era we're at right now is the anthropocene. (anthropos meaning human as in "man")

Without enough food and the proper climate, future generations will inherit a planet that is no longer inherently human habitat. Most complex organisms will become extinct. Most humans (if not all) will die of starvation.

I've thought of possible scenarios of how this might go.

The most likely is that the last human starves in a bunker in 2100 or so. In another, the human population is decimated time after time but technology and human ingenuity saves a small number of us, our future is one living in a planet with no wildlife, the only wild organisms surviving being algae microbes and some extremophiles here and there.

{quote]af_newbie]"The question of God existence or non-existence is not even a scientific question."
it is most certainly a scientific question; just because you cant use your scientific method dont mean you cant use another.
{quote]af_newbie]"We are all born into one religion or other.  Very few people alive today were born in Atheist families.

This, of course, will change in the future as more and more people lose faith in the supernatural."

very few people were born in atheist families because atheists create fewer babes; see where this would go? maybe an endless cycle, but not change without some new thing to change peoples minds on a massive scale.

people see the same evidence, and take it as evidence for different beliefs; people see evidence and dont even see the same evidence.
we always see everything through the lens of our own worldviews. we use worldviews to interpret what we see. so,, iwas taught creationist
sphell, and so take everything ive learned with this lens. the existance of God is a scientific fact. standard geology is error, big bang cosmology is error, plate tectonics is error, bacteria evolving into hyenas and snakes evolving into birds is error; i wont say darwinism is error, as i love to look at insects and other creatures and think about how they evolved/adapted;(survival of the fittest can be a useful theory, but maybe i misuse darwinism in this writing.)  i like to think of my philosophy as darwinistic, i think of myself as a darwinist, but maybe im delusional.

{qoute]af_newbie]"As for the God of the Gaps, well, we do have unknowns, let's leave them unknowns until they become known."

we need to assume something is true, because we will never have infinite knowledge. have to assume something, then you can build everything else on top of that.

You can't. That's why I cannot disprove your nihilistic materialism.

The only thing you can do is invite people to consider another perspective.

C.S. Lewis does this well as I highlighted earlier.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg46859248#msg46859248

Agreed, the US doesn't need to topple every evil regime. But Saudi Arabia gets substantial support from the US; the reason that Saudi Arabia is able to have such an evil regime at all is probably because of US support. The US is basically Saudi Arabia's mercenary force. The US should absolutely stop supporting Saudi Arabia for this and many other human rights abuses.

Trump is going to roll over for the Saudis, as would any of the last few previous presidents. They're too valuable in economic and military terms. It's incredibly hypocritical and pathetic.

Just one final point for clarity sake.

If cannot disprove a pantheistic God then you also also cannot disprove a faith centered on the worship of such an entity.

The most you can do is demonstrate that a particular religion's understanding must be incomplete or lacking using whatever logical inconsistencies you identify in their texts.

I agree that the question of God existence or non-existence is not a scientific question. Science alone is only a tool and too narrow a framework to fully evaluate the universe and our place within it.

The exuberant irrationality of religion is poignantly manifested in as much as this idea and all it entails, being amongst other things, grandiose, almighty, omnipresent etc., can take preference over, exceed and outdo the full qualitative value and meaning of having someone tangible right in front of you, a fellow human being with all manner of interactions to your avail - completely and utterly startling.

I think dippididodaday inadvertently makes a good case for why you are incorrect about this point af_newbie. I disagree with him only where he describes the phenomenon as irrational as noted in the quote.  He captures well the shear power of religion.

It's not something that is entirely dependent on parent to child  transmission or social networks those those certainly play a role in transmitting and sustaining it.


Many would disagree with you. They would point to the natural world or written tradition as evidence. You would likely challenge that evidence with materialism and a dismissal of the historical accounts as fantasy.

At a minimum, however, if you are logical you must concede the following. We have no evidence God does not exist.

There is certainly reason to believe that historically many religions were often formed twisted and warped little more then gross political tools. Nothing has the power to cement control like a bad religion.

I read a study a while back that highlighted  the fact that pagan priests and rulers who sanctioned human sacrifice may have had such motives. The analysis of more than seven dozen Austronesian cultures revealed that the practice of human sacrifices tended to make societies increasingly less egalitarian and eventually gave rise to strict, inherited class systems. The ritual killings helped keep the powerful in power and everyone else in check. I discussed this more here: Pagans and Human Sacrifice.

But is this the entire story or is this simply a manifestation of the human capacity to twist, lie, manipulate and corrupt for power. Are all religious velvet gloves hiding the iron fist of tyranny underneath or is there is something deeper to some of them?

To help make that determination we need to look at religions with a critical eye understanding the historical landscape in which they arose.

The more religions act like political systems favoring control of the powerful over the meek the more suspect we should be. When a religion does the opposite of that when it facilitates the rise of freedom or favors the powerless over the powerful we have something of a conundrum. How could such a belief survive and form when it opposes the powerful? Such inconsistencies warrant further evaluation.

For what it's worth I am firmly in the camp that there is something fundamental and deep in at least some religions.

What I mean above is behavior in the world

Because the situation in heaven is not like this world. The nature of this world for believers is the test and the field to get supplies until the afterlife. Allah SWT decreases so many rules that are obligatory or prohibited. Whoever carries out obligations and leaves haram, will get the pleasure of Allah SWT and be put into His heaven.

Whereas in heaven, it can be said that there are no more rules or shari'ah to do. All become permitted for believers. Something that is forbidden in this world is permissible. Including drinking khamar as you mentioned. Even khamar is available free in heaven on a flowing river.

I agree with both of the underlined statements above. The entire situation is very sad. Pedophilia, however, is not the best word to describe the problem. The worst of the sickness here is homosexual ephebophilia

"The recent John Jay College of Criminal Justice studies (2004, 2001 and 2016)  “The Causes and Context of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests in the United States, 1950-2010,” found that only 4% of the 6,000 identified abusive priests were pedophiles. 80% of the victims in the Church have been males, and involved post-pubescent teen age boys.

The 2011 report also shows 81% abuse to be homosexual in nature."

Telling the truth and spring-cleaning the Church
30 Aug 2018
http://www.anglican.ink/article/gay-predators-telling-truth-and-spring-cleaning-church


Talking about the real problem would require one to discuss:

#1 The large number of Catholic clergy who are gay in the USA; and not only gay, but sexually active.

#2 The prevalence in that community of individuals who are interested in homosexual ephebophilia North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) types as well as those tempted to such things.    

#3 The logic result of establishing a clerical celibacy policy that forbids marriage or heterosexual activity but tolerates homosexual activity.

These are not politically correct to discuss to certain segments of society so we don't hear much about it.

There are some large gaps in your logic here. Lets say for the sake of argument, lets agree the Vatican is top down just jam packed full of pedos. Still, that is just the organizational structure, the bureaucrats. That is not the same thing as churches. Are some churches used as cover for these activities? Without a doubt. NINETY PERCENT though? I have been to parts of the US where there is a church every few hundred yards. For NINETY percent of churches to be involved they would have to be raping every child on the Eastern seaboard.

Scale it down a bit here. Try to stick with the facts. This subject doesn't need any embellishment it just serves as obfuscation for the perpetrators and it is already fantastical enough.

Set a bowl of fresh-pressed grape juice out on the table for a few hours in a warm climate, and the grape starts to turn into wine all by itself.

Find some grapes on a vine, where the grapes are over-ripe and have started to shrivel. Eat one of them and you will taste the fermentation right in the grape.

Say it right out straight, if grapes are off limits to Muslims. But if they aren't, they will ferment right in your stomach after you eat them. You can't get away from wine if you eat grapes.

Public offices have become highly competitive today, that has made majority of individual to be interested and seek for the offices because of juicy benefits associated with it at the detriment of their citizen. Most often, by statistics there are wrong personalities occupying such position either by election or appointment? Which is better?

Allah ta'ala says,
أيود أحدكم أن تكون له جنة من نخيل وأعناب تجري من تحتها الأنهار له فيها من كل الثمرات وأصابه الكبر وله ذرية ضعفاء فأصابها إعصار فيه نار فاحترقت كذلك يبين الله لكم الآيات لعلكم تتفكرون
"Is there one of you who wants to have a date and wine garden that flows beneath the rivers; he had in the garden all kinds of fruits, then the old age came to that person while he had young children. Then the garden was blown by a strong wind which contained fire, then it burned. Thus Allah explained His verses to you so that you might think about them. "(Surat al-Baqarah: 266)   
Actually it is not the grapes that obey the devil's work. But the making of the grapes that make alcohol and the devil's works are the ones who drink alcohol.

In Islam Allah forbids drunks like drinking alcohol.
   
this is what you really say

 it is true that I am a Muslim therefore I believe that God really exists. You also have the right to say above acting like drinking alcohol is a bad thing like hunting down a demon

So here I do not distinguish between your respective religions.