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1861  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling and Behavioral Change!!! on: December 07, 2023, 04:11:16 PM
Does any of feel behavioral change in you based on the win/loss in gambling.

Yes, there are times we experience a change in our way of behaviours when we realized that we loose in gambling or win as the case maybe, but the negative one we mostly reacted upon is when we loose a bet we so much anticipate a winning for, we then feels bad about that, there are moments also that we may wanted to gamble but due to lack of financial capacity to be able to fund the gambling we are intending for, we may wanted to have a change in our behavioral manners just to be able to make another means of getting money for gambling.

That's something that might happen, but I don't think it's going to be a long-term change, and it's probably only when they find out that the outcome was a complete loss and not what they were expecting. It's natural and it's a knee-jerk reaction from a gambler who is experiencing disappointment. I don't think this would happen if gamblers didn't have such high expectations of winning, because after all it's just a matter of chance which means there's no certainty of it actually happening or coming true.

Basically anything can happen if you do something that can have a bad impact and that involves emotions, don't you know that something that comes out of a state of emotion will usually always result in something worse? of course, because when the psychological state is out of control everything you want to do is hardly the result of careful consideration. That's what makes someone do some unreasonable actions such as theft or other criminal acts just to get money when they have run out of money for their gambling costs, so the solution in my opinion is not to put too much hope if you don't want to experience changes in nature and behavior.
1862  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sympathetic gamblers looses itself on: December 07, 2023, 03:51:16 PM
I have seen some facial expression gamblers that I am emotionally touched about and feels they have loosed more than they can handle and feels they deserves an condolence winning. While I empathic with him his amount of lost, I am then to consoling myself that someone on here has lost more than I do.

This is exactly how some gamblers runs out of gambling budgets and goes bankrupt because they fails to figure what their net worth or incomes value is.

They are basically to believe one who lost $20 has lost more to them who looses $10.
Many gamblers have this tendency where they gamble depending on the losses of others without thinking about their own losses. If one gambler gets the big jackpot, there is no advantage over the other gambler, in the same way no one get advantages from loss. So I think it's stupid if gambler loses money on his bets and takes solace from seeing the amount others have lost. I will be responsible for my gambling. It should be remembered that my financial situation and his condition are not the same so one should not always bet more than he can afford to lose. One should  not also compare with others gambling loss.
Well said! when it comes to gambling, it is better to focus on your own bankroll, winnings, losses and your own strategy. I never advice to look others situations because I do believe that we have our own path. You have to be responsible in your own actions and do not compare yourself to others because it will lead you to pressure and questioning your self confidence.

In addition, each gambler has a different approach to his gambling involvement, each person has a different amount of loss and we have to put a little question mark on those who have a large amount of loss about how they can experience such a large amount of loss. It is a matter of luck that everyone has different luck whether it is in terms of the amount of winnings or when they will win.

If you see the situation of others who always seem to be profitable then you want to have the same luck as them then believe me the final result of your experiment 90% will not match the results they get, it could be greater and could be lower or even not produce at all. It's too complicated because everyone has a different portion of luck, so of course it's better to take care of yourself rather than always being affected by other people's situations. Lastly, it makes no sense to compare yourself to others especially when it comes to luck, because it's always unknowable when it comes and how much it will be if you win.
1863  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can you make gambling a profession - a full time job on: December 07, 2023, 03:29:21 PM
I'm not sure about the new generation of gamblers that we have today but I remembered back in the days when we use to gamble and phones were not available for everyone to gamble online, we have to go to the physical offices to place bet and they have to be printed on paper and tick all games played with a pen when games are completed and when l the games have been played, you go back to the office with the winning paper to collect your winnings and during this process, we used hide from public because people see gambling as a very bad thing in the society but today, I'm shock how people want to use that for career and opportunity about earning in life, isn't that funny?  Cheesy

Today, you see even parent now see gambling as opportunity to make money but this is a concerning issue that the government has to look. When people start to think that gambling is now place to make money, then I think the country has lost it's glory. Only a country where there is no plenty of job opportunities will want to use gambling as means to put money on the table.
Yeah, there is no such thing as shame anymore. People should not care about what an individual does. That's the motto of the era today. Gambling, sex, pornography, cruel jokes, and more bad things are now on social media, and worse they are the clips that have lots of views than what is good. The advent of social media platforms made people change their point of view about things that are traditionally bad in the eyes of the old. It's a new era indeed.

Well, thankfully I am not a parent who is looking for gambling as an opportunity to be my daily profits to feed my kids. There are still a lot of jobs out there that will surely give me the payroll that I need instead of risking my way into gambling where there's no assurance if you will make something for a day or not. That's the trouble when someone makes it a profession, you will never know what could happen in a day. The worst-case scenario is getting rekt and ending up without any food on the table. I never want to be in that position again.

Everything seems like it's normal because of the amount of bad things we see on social media, this is something that can attack the mindset and also that can change a person's behavior and point of view unconsciously, a kind of hypnosis. And as for whether it will have an impact or not I think it comes back to each individual about whether they can filter things by only absorbing positive things or even vice versa.

That's right, basically there are still quite a lot of alternatives that they can take to make it a place to make money that is quite promising and basically outside of gambling which is entirely dependent on luck and there is no certainty whatsoever there. For those who still think or choose gambling to make money I would honestly say that they are nothing more than a loser who wants money but doesn't want to sweat it out and just depends on luck which is clearly difficult to find. So it's better to find a place that can guarantee to give you income, gambling is not a profession but it is nothing more than a trap for fools.
1864  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Never gamble in front of your kids. on: December 07, 2023, 03:08:43 PM
Children will be easier to understand something and feel more interested in something when they try it or see it directly, it has a greater impact and influence than just listening in theory like in school. And on the other hand, as you said, especially if children see that the activity is carried out by one of their parents who is certainly always the center of their attention in their daily lives. We must realize and understand that children have feelings that tend to be more easily tempted, especially when they feel that it is fun and also on the other hand they have a very high curiosity about the new things they find.

The development of the times is very fast and now it is very modern in any case including technology, I more often see children today busy with their gadgets than reading books and if only initially they have seen gambling activities that you do then don't be surprised if suddenly you find them busy playing gadgets that turn out they have been involved in one of the online gambling situations, in addition to every casino lately always appears on some social media with a really big promotion, and that is a significant possibility.

A few weeks ago I had a quite surprising experience while eating at a restaurant with my friends. At the opposite table, there was a family who also came complete with their 2 sons. I knew his father was playing slots because when I entered I passed the family table. the most surprising thing was when one of the children approached his father while looking at his father's smartphone and said "Dad is looking for money?" his father didn't answer and ignored him.
but from this situation, I can see how there are also parents who are open about gambling activities with their children. that they don't even know the negative impact it could have on their child. and also acceptance of perceptions regarding gambling games which are used as a way to make money.

So, how do we properly explain gambling to children? or better, we should keep gambling activities a secret from anyone.

I think I have to suspect that one of the children said or asked his father "daddy is looking for money", which is an assumption that should not be said by a child when they are in the harmonious state of being together enjoying a meal at a restaurant. I think the children would have been more likely to ask that when they saw their father sitting at the computer table, and with that it could be that my suspicion is correct that it seems that before that incident their son had seen another person who was also gambling slots and that person told the son that he was looking for money.

In such conditions, in my opinion, the more likely thing that can be asked by his son is "dad is playing a game", that makes more sense, because honestly I myself used to be when I didn't know at all what gambling was, especially slots, when I saw someone playing slots I spontaneously asked "are you playing a game" it was a formal question issued by people who did not have any ignorance about what gambling was. On the other hand I think the father did a pretty good job of ignoring his son's question but the problem is that overall the father is still wrong because he can't do something according to his portion, gambling not at the right time. I think it's better to hide all gambling activities, don't explain anything to children because it might make them more curious.
1865  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cash out or keep playing? on: December 07, 2023, 02:30:12 PM

It's always not as easy as turning the palm of your hand, disciplinary action must start from the moment it arrives and must be maintained, I'm not too sure that if they are already halfway through their involvement they will be able to take some preventive measures such as discipline or other things like you said. But indeed all these actions are very important, and maybe I will focus this advice more on those who are just starting to enter/get involved in gambling, you need to be firm in the process of implementing it and don't be fooled or disturbed by all the temptations  that might come your way at any time. .

Something that is driven by emotion and passion will always end in disappointment because the final result turns out to be far from your expectations, therefore they must really be able to bring a healthy and correct understanding and mindset in looking at gambling itself, don't let it happen. You come because you are tempted by the opportunity to win, but you have to focus more on the risks and bad impacts that are very likely to occur, understand that it is not a win but nothing more than an opportunity that will come true when you are really lucky. So there is no victory without luck, while on the other hand, no one will know when they will be lucky and lastly, if you are not lucky then you will lose, this is the conclusion that makes you lose more than you win, so think before you overdo it.

The cash out will be the important one in the gambling site,many gamblers will loss their winnings by not choosing the best time to cash out.If the gamblers keep play for the longer time,they will forget the fact that the bad luck also come in their gambling.So the same winning money will move to the loss,the gamblers who had potential to win should choose the best time to cash out from the gambling site to prevent the further loss in the gambling site.The gamblers who do the correct moves at the right time will be the shining star in the gambling field.Because the people who curse the gambling site will be the person who keep loss money in gambling site.

It all stems from the high expectations they put on the winnings, they think that it is a truly favorable condition so they think the best option is just to go back to playing by increasing the multiplier on the bet in order to get a bigger win. The first round might be pretty good and they'll smile but over time things take a turn for the worse but they still think "just a little bit more" so it just keeps going like that and eventually they run out of all the money they've won and the big win really doesn't come.

That's the scenario greed likes to apply by people who are too serious and ambitious in seeing victory. Gambling is only about two things "winning and losing", if you don't win it means you lose, and if you win it means you are lucky and do you know when you will be lucky? No, no one will know when luck will come, which is why sometimes when we gamble with unintended intentions sometimes victory comes by itself. Therefore of course the best decision is to cash out as soon as possible, bigger wins are nothing more than an uncertain chance, so there is no reason for you to pursue them unless you are ready to lose all the winnings at the beginning.
1866  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 06, 2023, 05:18:05 PM
Few hours left have several Premier League matches from

  • Sheffield vs Liverpool
  • Fulham vs Nott Forest
  • Crystal Palace vs Bournemouth
  • Brighton vs Brentford
  • Man United vs Chelsea
  • Aston Villa vs Man City

Liverpool must take three points away match against Sheffield after Arsenal won last night and they have 5 points left, not much problem get three points for Liverpool. I think have interested match between Manchester United vs Chelsea, Erik ten Hag under pressure right now after several bad matches result and have speculation more than 50% of Manchester United players want ten Hag sack from his position.

By the way, it seems I am more interested in the Aston Villa v Manchester City match, because at this moment Aston Villa and Manchester City only have a gap of 1 point. Also, so far this season Aston Villa is completely unbeaten in home matches, while Manchester City so far have 1 draw and 2 losses in away matches. Therefore, I think that even though Manchester City is still the favorite team to win this match, I think it will not be easy to beat Aston Villa in this match. Because yes, at least Aston Villa is on fire at this moment, while Manchester City seems to be experiencing a slight decline in performance. Therefore, I think this match will remain an interesting match besides the match between Manchester United v Chelsea.

It looks like it will be quite an interesting match, as you said and it is true that the conditions of these two teams are now very close which is where Manchester City is above Aston Villa in the standings and only has a difference of one point and what is interesting is that lately as we see that in their last three matches Manchester City always ended the match with a draw against Chelsea, Liverpool and Tottenham, even though overall it is clear that Manchester City is far superior and favored.

This is what makes it seem like I agree with the idea of your choice that the Manchester City vs Aston Villa match is likely to be more interesting to watch than some other teams that will also play today. I'm sure some of the unsatisfactory matches that have been passed by Guardiola's squad have made some speculation and doubts arise especially for fans of The Citizens, it looks like they are really having problems with their depth, I'm getting curious and I won't miss to find out the results whether Manchester City will be able to restore the confidence of their fans by securing the full three points or not at all.
1867  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can you make gambling a profession - a full time job on: December 06, 2023, 04:58:03 PM

Gambling is an uncertain win-lose betting field.There is no guarantee that anyone will win a single bet. So it doesn't cross my mind whether this non-guaranteed gambling should ever be preferred as a major source of income. If there was a possibility of monthly or weekly profit from gambling then it could only be taken up as a profession or a job. But there is no guarantee that you can win from this gambler's bet every day. If you win one bet there is a chance of losing the next so this uncertain income should never be taken as a part time or full time job.

No guarantee at all, if there's someone who can manage it's a small percentage for sure, we won't see a lot of gambling businesses if gambler can take advantage of the services, instead, gambling owners are the one who really taking advantage of people who are involved with gambling, they are being allure of things that they misconceptions regarding to gambling.

It's a tough competition between your knowledge and emotional control, with that capabilities chances to earn is not by far but if you can't deal with it, better to treat gambling as a source of entertainment instead.

That's a fact but strangely not all gamblers can accept the statement of fact that really happens very often especially to those who are always excessive in their involvement. This is a business that generates fantastic income for the bookie, lately I often see some small gambling situations caught by the authorities, after being traced and interrogated it turns out that they can generate millions of dollars in turnover in just a month, isn't that huge? of course, and than the bookie can get that money? obviously from the many stupid gamblers who always bring the wrong mindset as it comes to earning.

Indirectly gambling is a brainwashing activity for those who are very careless, casinos are very smart in terms of attracting more audiences, 10x losses in exchange for only one win, isn't that unbalanced? obviously, but gamblers don't realize about it, the point is for them when they get a win it means everything is fine, if they look at the records I think they will be quite surprised when they find out that the amount of winnings is much greater than what they got at that time. It's all just because of wrong thinking and excessive expectations, they can't consider that gambling is a place of fun, it's because their focus is more on the "odds", when there are no guarantees.
1868  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Never gamble in front of your kids. on: December 06, 2023, 04:38:03 PM

Some people literally underestimate a kid's capability to learn something by just observing or watching, just remember that some of the children follow or imitate their parents as they see them as the one that guides them in life. Just for example, you are a good chef, if they know that you are a good cook, most probably they would like to be a chef as well when they grow up things like that. Even if you told them that gambling shouldn't be done by kids, they could still do it secretly so once they find it entertaining as you also do it as well, then for sure they would do gambling without hesitation. If you can't handle your gambling habits as you know to yourself that gambling is not good if handled poorly, then as a responsible parent you wouldn't even teach them in the first place.

Children will be easier to understand something and feel more interested in something when they try it or see it directly, it has a greater impact and influence than just listening in theory like in school. And on the other hand, as you said, especially if children see that the activity is carried out by one of their parents who is certainly always the center of their attention in their daily lives. We must realize and understand that children have feelings that tend to be more easily tempted, especially when they feel that it is fun and also on the other hand they have a very high curiosity about the new things they find.

The development of the times is very fast and now it is very modern in any case including technology, I more often see children today busy with their gadgets than reading books and if only initially they have seen gambling activities that you do then don't be surprised if suddenly you find them busy playing gadgets that turn out they have been involved in one of the online gambling situations, in addition to every casino lately always appears on some social media with a really big promotion, and that is a significant possibility.
1869  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: December 06, 2023, 04:18:01 PM
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One of the reasons why the negatives far outweigh the positives is because bookmakers create casinos not to feed gamblers for free but their goal is to profit from gamblers who like to go overboard in acting out of control by providing a temptation through the opportunities provided which is basically nothing more than a trap for gamblers to come back soon. As evidence, we can see that many are now suffering from large losses and that means we can conclude that they are trapped by something that has been designed by the casino.

The events that they experience, especially those experienced by addicts, can actually be used as examples and lessons so that we do not overdo it, and as you said it is better to gamble normally, meaning by putting small money that you can afford to lose, because usually disappointment from results that do not match the wishes that can make you act out of control, so it will be very useful for a preventive measure.

I do think that real life casinos and slots have actually an extra positive side compared to online ones.

You can get free drinks and food from those places as long as you are playing. So, if you don't bet too much, you might end up with a free meal, as long as you don't gamble more than the cost of said meal.

But even if you just break even, you still have a small chance to win something, so it is an interesting proposition.

Whereas online, you don't get any freebies like drinks or food. Or things like toilet access, music, electricity, wifi, etc. It could be sometimes a good spot if you need to wait for a bit.

There is a point, I agree with your idea that indeed physical casinos are much more interesting, not only in terms of services that are quite satisfying but it can also be a good socialization place by building new relationships with other people especially those we don't know yet, and with that it is very likely that we will find many new things such as some references given by new people from any aspect whether it's from business or sharing stories about their respective lives.

Whereas in online-based casinos I think it is quite boring even though there is a private chat feature to be able to connect us with other people but still there is no chemistry that is intertwined so it makes me really feel bored especially when the spin always goes bad. Of course this is outside of your gambling involvement, and certainly every casino has its positive and negative points in terms of services and comfort that we feel, such as for example online casinos make it easier for us to access gambling wherever we want while physical casinos tell you to go there if you want to gamble.
1870  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cash out or keep playing? on: December 06, 2023, 02:50:15 PM

I think a gambler's controlling power is an important factor in gambling. There are many gamblers who have won according to their goal but they continue their gambling and try to win more. Where they need to take a break, they tend to gamble more and more. In this perspective no matter how much a gambler wins he must lose if he continues his gambling. If a gambler takes a break after a win and resumes gambling, he can comparatively enjoy the winnings. As a gambler's winnings and losses are uncertain, he must keep a reserve of money. If he loses then he can withdraw money from the reserve balance. Any winning money should not be wasted otherwise it will be difficult to recover that money if lost.

Self-discipline is really important. It will make a huge difference if you know how to control your urges in gambling so that you won't get addicted. Because if you don't know how to control your emotions and your desires, it will cost you a lot. Chasing winnings could get you into trouble such as being left with none, and being addicted because of bad gambling habits. It can really destroy you if you will be greedy. It can affect your daily life and the way you do things.

If you are already happy, take profit already and do not be greedy to the point you will aim for more. Because you could lose much if you make haste decisions.

It's always not as easy as turning the palm of your hand, disciplinary action must start from the moment it arrives and must be maintained, I'm not too sure that if they are already halfway through their involvement they will be able to take some preventive measures such as discipline or other things like you said. But indeed all these actions are very important, and maybe I will focus this advice more on those who are just starting to enter/get involved in gambling, you need to be firm in the process of implementing it and don't be fooled or disturbed by all the temptations  that might come your way at any time. .

Something that is driven by emotion and passion will always end in disappointment because the final result turns out to be far from your expectations, therefore they must really be able to bring a healthy and correct understanding and mindset in looking at gambling itself, don't let it happen. You come because you are tempted by the opportunity to win, but you have to focus more on the risks and bad impacts that are very likely to occur, understand that it is not a win but nothing more than an opportunity that will come true when you are really lucky. So there is no victory without luck, while on the other hand, no one will know when they will be lucky and lastly, if you are not lucky then you will lose, this is the conclusion that makes you lose more than you win, so think before you overdo it.
1871  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Importance of Gambling to the society on: December 06, 2023, 02:30:01 PM

Benefits for the country don't come only through taxes for the government, but also through jobs opportunities the industry creates for local citizens. Moreover, if you want to calculate how much money people lose daily, you also have to add the different products and services they consume for a living, food, health, security and entertainment, that is where gambling is included. When we calculate only financial losses from gambling and ignore the entertainment value it has, we are actually considering it an investment, as we consider positive financial returns a must, which is wrong, since this kind of mindset can only lead to considerable losses and frustration over results.
Gambling results in more losses than gains, that's why when someone is asked a question about gambling, they get a negative answer about gambling. The government of a country should not only think about the revenue but the government of that country should think whether the people are good or whether its decisions are having any bad effect on the people of the country. If a casino site is approved in its own country and it is seen that more money is going out of the country than the revenue collected from that casino annually, then the government of that country is forced to think about whether they will allow gambling sites in the country or not.

It is true and it is clear that in gambling the percentage of wins is much lower than losses, which means that whoever is involved or active enough in gambling activities, it is clear that losses will dominate more than some wins that might occur occasionally. Basically the government should be able to consider something carefully especially for the benefit of its people, but on the other hand it will not always be like that, this is a matter of money and taxes from casinos for governments that legalize these activities are not playing games, it is very large.

So with money you will be able to change everything, and because of money also your views are very likely to become dark, maybe there are some people in the government who can think with a mature mindset so that they can make the best decisions wisely, but on the other hand it cannot be denied that there will also be some people who take advantage of the situation, corruption has become quite common in some countries and that is what is very likely to happen and what will make the government maintain the legality of gambling in the country longer, not for the benefit of the community but for the government organization because there is a large amount of money spinning there.
1872  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Ever heard about financing a gambler? on: December 06, 2023, 10:12:07 AM
It is better for gamblers to never consider that path, as even if it may seem extremely easy to ask for a loan, gamble with it and if luck is on your side recover all the money you have lost, this rarely happens, and very often what we see instead is for that gambler to lose that money as well.

And this can push a person in a direction from which they may never recover, as instead of accepting their mistake and repay the loan, gamblers may be lured into asking another loan and try to recover their money this way, and once they finally realize the mistake they have made, they will notice their debts have grown to a point in which it is impossible for them to pay them regardless of what they do.

It would be irresponsible for a gambler to borrow money and promise to repay if he wins, that's out of this world condition, it should  something that a lender could expect he'll get as  a collateral, normally fixed property or vehicle. Gamblers who have that kind fo mindset in gambling would likely suffer the worst financial problem, and since no lender would just lend money without assurance, most likely the borrower would end up selling his properties just to be able to pay, while some even go homeless.

It's true what you said, because most gamblers who do this activity have also given up a lot of their responsibilities, also if they make a loan and promise to return it if they win, it should be emphasized that "if they win" is not promising, and this phrase is expressed by every gambler who makes a loan, even though it is clear from the meaning that if they win, they will be returned, the question is whether they will definitely win.  I have experienced this, where my friend borrowed money to gamble and I responded badly and managed to make their mentality drop by emphasizing the phrase "if you win" if the person who does not lend his money to gamblers is called stingy, I myself prefer stingy. So don't feel sorry for a gambler who applies for a loan just to gamble because chances are they won't pay it back.
After all,  gambling is not a place to make money, it's just entertainment, I gamble but still have limits. Even now I rarely gamble, because I am getting bored with what happens in gambling with the amount of losses that are obtained it is clear that this is just a game not a regular income. So I will not finance a gambler it is better to finance someone who will start a business or business which of course will produce something later.
1873  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you ever been a gambling addict? on: December 06, 2023, 09:46:06 AM
Yes, there could be some gamblers who are losing huge amount of money and might not be a gambling addict. However, as a human nature, you wanted to get back with the money that you lost, so you want to play again and again and that could mean that you are turning into addicts.

But I do believed that there are addicts that can turn their life around. Maybe there could be addicts, but sooner or later they could be events in their life that they might realized that gambling is not for them and they are losing every grip of their live. So they could go into rehab, seek medical or professional help, or just shutdown gambling for good.

Chasing losses has always been the problem of many gamblers, and it's likely to lead them  to addiction, but in rare cases though, some just chase until they realize that it's impossible to recover the losses and then they give up and maybe take a break from gambling for a while, while they reflect on their action and the losses they've made. Some people even decide to eventually quite on the process due to the huge amount they've lost trying to gain, they realize at that instant that if the continue with that gambling pattern, they'll only ruin their lives on the process so the best option is to call it a quit.

This is difficult to avoid by every gambler and most likely many gamblers do this especially with gamblers who cannot control themselves. They will chase defeat with no awareness that makes them go deeper in gambling and makes them stuck in the cycle and it is also difficult to get out of the trap that is detrimental to themselves.
By following greed it will not make things better or better, because the greed that is in them can destroy their lives. Sooner or later if they still follow their greed, I think they will feel the impact and that is certain, there are also many things that must be avoided in gambling to avoid addiction to gambling, it's just that many people are not aware of the things that must be avoided in gambling so it is not strange that many people are addicted to gambling.
1874  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sympathetic gamblers looses itself on: December 06, 2023, 09:06:55 AM
No matter how much you lost on gambling, I ain't got that time for petty sentiments, all in the name of regrets or pity for you... I believe that nobody needs to tell you at that point to forsake so many unnecessary spendings, including gambling....(cus I believe a gambler would always carryon and spend on other irrelevancies extravagantly)

The one thing that gives them hope is that -- others are winning, and it'll definitely get to Thier turn... maybe today, maybe not. how sick that sounds to me...

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

With that hope that makes them confident in the victory that will be obtained because they see other people who get the victory so maybe they think they will also get a decent victory. They don't think about the different luck of each person.
Hoping like that is natural, but if they don't have luck until whenever they won't get victory and prosperity in gambling it will only make them financially difficult. And should not expect more in gambling that is not necessarily it will give you what you want.
1875  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Reckless gambling starts after a win round. on: December 06, 2023, 08:29:41 AM

Something if done by force will certainly not go well, although there is a chance it will go well but the end might be guessed,  with a bad end. they do what they want and expect something they can get according to their expectations, but the possibility of their expectations will only be a dream that is difficult to happen especially with gambling where it is unlikely that expectations will match reality. Many things must be considered to avoid the risk of gambling, not rash in deciding on choices, not expecting more from gambling, just accept what has been obtained and leave. Do not force yourself to be able to continue gambling by pursuing a victory that is difficult to get. Instead of spending a lot of money on gambling, they should spend it on other things that are more positive. That's better.
Even if you have gotten a victory it is better to immediately cash it in, not with the words "one more bet", it can trigger the loss of the winnings that have been obtained,  the winnings that have been obtained are better secured first than continuing the game where it can make them lose control as well as the loss of profits earned.
Yes, that's right, especially in the case of gambling, if someone is forced to gamble then the results will not be good or not according to their own wishes. It is true that in gambling you have to pay attention to the risks that may occur in the future, namely losses and the way to overcome this is to try to behave well, not be greedy and not be easily careless in all your actions and this also reduces the risk in gambling.
And when people have achieved the victory they desire, they should enjoy it by vacationing with their families or investing in their future lives. And the most important thing is to try to maintain control and not be easily tempted by the game he sees. Even though this will be very difficult for gamblers, it is a positive thing that will have a good impact on someone's life.

Many of those who are not smart or cannot control their greed make them experience unavoidable losses and finally most likely they regret their reckless actions. Also many of them cannot accept the fact and become angry and then vent with their anger, even though they themselves caused the loss.
Supposedly if they want pleasure where when they get a win they should immediately cash it in and take a vacation like you said, by enjoying what they have got, if that's like that they won't experience losses that make their anger rise. So the importance of maintaining self-control in gambling is one of them.

You are right and I also often hear that people who are greedy in gambling can be reckless in doing anything that could harm themselves or others, they cannot think logically because they have been influenced by bad thoughts so they carry out activities without thinking first.
Of course yes, cashing in winnings from gambling and going on holiday with the family is a very good and impressive pleasure, and he also gets the positive side in gambling because he maintains good control and avoids losses due to excessive gambling.

Of course they will do things that might harm other people, if they harm themselves that's for sure. But if it's harming other people it's gone too far, also if it's like that I don't think they will be responsible because what they do in gambling has also made them lose responsibility for things that should have been their responsibility, so they probably won't be responsible for the losses that befall others because of their actions.
I myself have felt how strong the temptation to gamble when getting a win with to continue the game and the result is losing, it is difficult to fight greed. But I practiced it in the next game by cashing out directly the winnings that had been obtained because I already knew what it would be like if I continued, and it had become a lesson for myself, in the end I always did that because I was sure that cashing out the winnings was the best thing to do when I won.
1876  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamble Responsibly on: December 06, 2023, 06:24:36 AM
This should be avoided by gamblers because they don't want to lose their money especially not in small amounts, but if they already have a stubborn nature what can be made. They themselves do it so they themselves will receive the consequences, but there is something annoying, where those who have run out of a lot of money they borrow from others and I once saw a family member who had run out of money in gambling, he asked for money that was owned by the family, isn't this annoying?. It's hard to make them realize that what they're doing is wrong, but as you said, it's better to save the money or invest it, it might be more useful later.
Now this is what must be done, gambling but with responsibility that must be remembered. If they really want to gamble, try not to forget about many things, the point is to be responsible for many things, not just focus on gambling. That will make them carry out their gambling activities not too bad even with the end always losing haha.

Yes it's very useful once we are investing our money than spending in gambling with no assurance that in every of our bet will always win.but we can not deny the fact that every now and then there are many gambler who will go home cause they loss in gambling and some of them are borrowing some money in thier friends or worst thing is the budget of thier daily lives will go to the casino cause aiming how they can get back Thier losses.

The gamblers that you said, by borrowing money from their friends, will not win either, and their friends,  if they know that they borrowed money to gamble, I think it is likely that their friends will not give them the money, Apart from that, those who gamble use their daily budget for gambling, this can be confirmed that they cannot be responsible for what they should do, because they have used their daily budget for gambling.

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This should be avoided by gamblers because they don't want to lose their money especially not in small amounts, but if they already have a stubborn nature what can be made. They themselves do it so they themselves will receive the consequences, but there is something annoying, where those who have run out of a lot of money they borrow from others and I once saw a family member who had run out of money in gambling, he asked for money that was owned by the family, isn't this annoying?. It's hard to make them realize that what they're doing is wrong, but as you said, it's better to save the money or invest it, it might be more useful later.
Now this is what must be done, gambling but with responsibility that must be remembered. If they really want to gamble, try not to forget about many things, the point is to be responsible for many things, not just focus on gambling. That will make them carry out their gambling activities not too bad even with the end always losing haha.
If they can accept the results of gambling and have no desire to chase wins or recover their losses, they will not have any problems. They can use small money to bet because it will be safer for them, so they can avoid the big losses that other gamblers have experienced. However, I agree with you that many gamblers are stubborn in gambling who ignore their losses, and it is clear that they have run out of money but instead borrow money from other people. That will obviously cause problems for them because they will definitely have difficulty getting their money back if they lose at gambling. Even though they have a chance to win, it will not always guarantee that they will win because winning from gambling is very rare. And we may have seen for ourselves the results we get from playing gambling for some time. That is why we must be responsible when gambling and not use more money so that we can also avoid losing a lot.

At least if they want to gamble they should be able to set a budget limit for gambling, because if there is no budget limit set, it is likely that they will not stop until they run out of all their money. It is good that they can control themselves so that unwanted things do not happen such as losing a lot of money just because of gambling.
For those who are stubborn, it may be difficult to accept input and advice, but the possibility of advice and input from their own parents can make them realize and can make them stop for a moment from gambling that harms them. Also don't let them take the wrong actions such as borrowing money just to gamble, later they will be in trouble because of debt which I can clearly make sure they will not be in debt for only a small amount.
1877  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do not gamble with Loan Money~otherwise you will be in danger like me on: December 06, 2023, 05:55:28 AM

It is unfortunate but an uncontrollable urge that some gamblers fall into. One of the major reason for taking loan in gambling is where the gambler has lost out but he is trying to come back into the game. This is the real factor that causes it. Ordinarily, gamblers don't begin their game with loan but they are forced to do that because of the losses that they begin to chase in the middle of the game. I have seen seen many like that in offline gambling places that ended up dropping their iPhones and android phones to come back at a later day to retrieve their phones when they pay up their debts. So loses can make a gambler without control to take loan and at the end they end up not having back the loses they were chasing. Gamblers need to learn to let go when it doesn't go their way.
Sometimes,  those gamblers who are fun of taking loans to gamble with are not mostly in losses or trying to chase after their losses,  but almost their greedy and have overconfidence and the ability to make winnings at all times.

I wonder how they have forgotten about the sad reality of gambling which is that,  gambling is an unpredictable event and at that, its outcome can't be predicted,  but we are always learning not to take gambling as a means of making ends meet so for that we have to avoid taking loans just to gamble with and expecting to win and being able to pay back that loan through the winning.

Anything in excess is generally not good but bad. Those who can do this have been lulled by gambling,  hoping that gambling can turn the winnings to cover their losses and pay off their debts.  But what they do is a fatal mistake that can make it difficult for them in the future. Because where if they cannot pay off their loan debt of course the bank will urge them to immediately pay off the debt at any cost. So they should not take out a loan just to gamble, because it is not good for them.
Maybe it's because their hopes are high that they don't care about the reality of their sadness. It is also clear that gambling has a random system  which is unlikely to easily get a win nor is it possible to always give a win, because the gambling has been arranged from the inside so that it can be profitable for the bookie. So those who put high hopes in gambling in my opinion will only kill themselves in the future.
1878  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 05, 2023, 01:49:35 PM
Old Trafford is not too scary for the away team because we saw that the away team could easily beat manchester united at Old trafford. So with the previous defeat to Newcastle united, it is likely that Chelsea can try to win this match.

Looking at the two teams, in fact, they are equally sick. They're not in good form, so they equally have a chance. But with Man United's condition of playing home they have a better mentality. There are several percent of supporting factors that make Man United more passionate. But it was indeed the final week's win against Brighton. They won by a margin of 1 goal even with 10 players. In addition, Man United is currently in a bad condition. There are reports that Ten Hag is starting to be distrusted by the players. This is because Ten Hag is too rigid in coaching.

Yes these two teams are not in good form overall, and that means as you said equality makes both teams have the same chance, but maybe on the other hand I'm not entirely saying it's Chelsea, because lately they are quite consistent in giving surprises. Although in terms of standings statistics Manchester United are far above Chelsea but that is another thing, we can see how Chelsea have been playing lately, holding a draw against Manchester City and Arsenal is not an easy thing for most teams in the EPL, but Chelsea can do it, and I say it is not just luck, but indeed Pochettino seems to have managed to do something to his team even though it is not too prominent.

Another surprise is that even Chelsea can get the full three points despite only playing with 10 men in yesterday's match against Brighton who are now also standing above Chelsea in the table. I don't want to get into how Manchester United are doing, there's nothing I can say for the Red Devils other than "they're terrible this season", nothing to be hopeful about. So in conclusion it probably looks like I'll be betting on Chelsea in this one.
1879  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Importance of Gambling to the society on: December 05, 2023, 01:29:18 PM

I think the same way about gambling, it isn't really beneficial for society because even if it's a way of entertainment for some people, the majority takes gambling as a way of earning money and when people think of gambling that way, they tend to spend a lot of money on it with the hope of making more money with it and eventually losing it all because gambling isn't to provide every gambler with profits and make them rich but it's business for casino owners.

So, the point is, that gambling isn't important for society but it's important for governments for sure because casinos that operate within a country tend to pay a lot of taxes to the government, and tax authorities also charge taxes from people who manage to win significant amounts from gambling.
This is also what I've been thinking, It's not that important in the society but only in the government because they are the one who benefited in gambling activities because of taxes. why would I say that this is not that important in our society? because many people used to gamble and they treat it as their permanent sources of income which is not recommended because I can't see it as stable because we all know that gambling is all about luck with a mixed of some strategies,  also people can have mental health issue such as obsession and addiction.

The public is only a victim of government policies that legalize gambling in the country, but only a few people realize this and the rest of them seem very happy because they get freedom in their gambling activities whether it is from online or physical-based gambling. From this alone I think we can already conclude that the real benefits are only for the government and the casinos themselves, the taxes collected by the government are not playing around and I'm sure most of the time there will be some individuals who are in charge of the government tax department will embezzle the money a little, even though for example you hear that the tax money will be allocated to some things that are beneficial to society such as building new jobs but maybe that's not entirely because as I said the role of little rats will definitely be behind the scenes.

This is like an indirect brainwashing, out of 100% there will be 80% of people who behave excessively in their gambling involvement and the government has done research on that so of course the community is a victim, and just wait as time goes by there will definitely be many people who suffer, especially in the economy which has dropped dramatically due to the wrong mindset in their gambling involvement.
1880  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: I could have won bigger. on: December 05, 2023, 12:53:28 PM
Now I am angry at my friend because he didn't keep to his words. Although I am still happy about the win, I wish he had given me back the $10. Then, I would have win bigger money.
I think he's just preventing you from losing $10 if he's going to give it back, because the win you got was just a coincidence in my opinion because if the casino has a cashout feature, maybe you will withdraw earlier because you have seen several correct bets, so there's no need to be too upset because you could have gotten bigger, because when you lend the money you did with full awareness, just think about if he has returned the money you will have $60, and you can bet on other bets and hopefully make better results.

If examined and seen from the other side it seems to be true as you said, his friend took / borrowed the money in order to prevent OP from losing his money on the gambling he was going to do, we are leading to a positive mindset and it seems to make sense. All wins in gambling are nothing more than coincidence and that's true, and the OP's friend seems to have a suspicion that the final result will be disappointing, so he prefers to borrow the money as a precaution so that the OP does not lose. So don't think too much about it, maybe at that time your luck was only for that amount and it could have been something else if at that time your friend did not borrow and then you put all the money you had, it is possible that you could lose there, which means a different story. So being grateful is better and maybe there is another luck waiting for you next time, you can try again later.
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