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1881  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 25, 2018, 02:22:24 AM
LOL.  It is like offering a pack of cigarettes to someone who quit smoking 30 years ago.  No thanks.
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You cannot prove our the existence of our universe is a pure lottery this is doctrine.

We cannot collect the evidence outside of our universe.  However, quantum fluctuations could have jump started our initial inflation.

You cannot prove the fact that we are here is pure chance. This is faith.
There is more evidence that it is than that it is not.

You cannot prove that we are not valuable or special this is a part of your nihilistic religion.

We are as special as other mammals, fish or any other living organism.
All life is special.  We are different in one respect.  We are good at story telling (myths, religious dogmas etc).
Myths is what united us early on in our human history and allowed for greater cooperation between large hordes of
hunters and gatherers. That is the only reason why we are at the top of the food chain.  Cooperation and socialization.

Unfortunately I appear to lack the necessary eloquence to show you that faith in God is the most important of the "Things that work".

Give me your best example of when God intervened to make "things that work".  I fail to see any "hand of God" in this universe.
1882  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 24, 2018, 02:02:21 PM

The whole system is just overly complicated if the primary purpose of the creation was a specific member of the Ape family to worship and believe in the creator. You would have to be an idiot to design something like this if you just wanted obedient primates who would believe in you.

If I was God, I would just...


Who said anything about obedient primates being the primary purpose of creation?


Genesis.

All scriptures are preoccupied with obedience and a special purpose of man.
 
Why would he create life in the first place? What would be the purpose?

This is a very deep question and it goes far beyond the scope of this thread.

Not really.  Life was not created. Our universe, our chemistry and physics are pure lottery.  Nature tries things via processes called evolution and emergence.

How our solar system, Earth, and life on it came about is by pure lottery, trial and error.  
Things that work, continue to work, things that have some impediment, get destroyed and/or die.

Both of us might be breathing the oxygen atoms that Julius Cesar or Hitler breathed.  That coffee or tea you had this morning might have water molecules that went through Napoleon's kidney and urine.  The atoms in your body were created in some supernova somewhere, they will be returned to Sun and then end up in the universe somewhere once Sun explodes.

The fact that we are here is also pure chance.  We could have been wiped out by asteroid or nuclear war, and cockroaches could have become the dominant species.

Homo Sapiens are not special.  Do not fool yourself into thinking that.  Earth is not our planet.  It belongs to the universe, like countless other planets.

The way we are evolving, AI will replace us in few hundred years.  Universe will continue for another 20 billion years or so, then it will probably suffer a crunch and another big bang will result, with different physics and chemistry, maybe even different space time equivalent.

If you have a genuine interest in this topic the best answer I have come across is the following book.

Way of God: Derech Hashem by Moshe Chaim Luzzatto.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/087306769X/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1/159-3751462-6767111?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_r=NM9R7T16A9G2147WGMJX&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=1944687722&pf_rd_i=1598264672

It is an older classic 18th century religious book. It is very logical and is set out in parts that are divided into a few chapters. The parts are:
1. Fundamentals, covering The Creator, Man, Human Responsibility.
2. How Providence Works.
3. The Soul, Inspiration and Prophecy,.
4. Serving God, Love and Fear of God, Prayer.

There is a class in Seattle that went through this book chapter by chapter taught by Mark Spiro. Audio recordings of that class are available for free here.

http://www.livingjudaism.com/the-way-of-god.html

Both Moshe Chaim Luzzatto and Mark Spiro approach the issue from the Jewish tradition but I think anyone interested in God or religion will find it worthwhile. I did and I am not Jewish.

LOL.  It is like offering a pack of cigarettes to someone who quit smoking 30 years ago.  No thanks.
1883  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 22, 2018, 07:16:38 PM

You missed the point... Christians claim their god is omnibenevolent... which itself is a claim that god would prevent all evil from existing... it is not my argument, that is the Christian argument...


Yes and I replied highlighting the problems with this logic.

Omnibenevolence does not demand God prevent all evil from existing.

If he created everything, as you claim, he is ultimately responsible.  Flesh eating bacteria, HIV in babies etc.

He is a psychopathic criminal to "create" such a world.

Actually, that is another indication that the world was not created by any intelligent being. 

No intelligent being would create the world the way your God "created" it.

No mental gymnastics can help you here.  Face it.
1884  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 21, 2018, 05:22:28 PM
So I guess his 1755 earthquake in Lisbon (on All Saints day when all people were in church, the tallest buildings in the city) was a practical joke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1755_Lisbon_earthquake

Nice going God...

Need I go on?  AIDS in newborns, flesh eating bacteria, cancer, birth defects...The list is endless of "his" creations.

The sooner you realize that there are natural forces at work, not the supernatural the better, for your own sanity.  Continue to ignore the obvious, it does not matter what you folks believe, the nature will continue to evolve, regardless of your belief in the Jewish Zombie myth.


Of course there are natural forces at work and yes they are a source of tragedy and suffering. In the larger scheme, however, such evils are the result of our ignorance and natural frailty they are also a very small relatively unimportant portion of the true evil that humanity suffers from.


The Three Kinds of Evil
https://www.ou.org/torah/machshava/the-god-papers/34-the-three-kinds-of-evil/
Quote from: Rabbi Jack Abramowitz
There are three kinds of evil in the world. The first is based on the fact that man is a physical and temporal being. Because of this, we are subject to physical ailments, whether based on weaknesses in our own constitutions or exposure to harmful agents in our environments. But creation and destruction go hand in hand; the same temporal nature that requires us to ultimately perish is also what enables us to come into existence. We therefore see that our physical nature, with all its limitations, is the result of God’s kindness. And, despite our limited natures, evils of this type are relatively rare. Most people are in fairly good health and physical defects are rather uncommon.

The second type of evil is the kind that people inflict on one another, such as by physically abusing others. These are greater in number than the first kind of evil but they are still not ubiquitous. It’s pretty uncommon for a person to scheme to rob or kill his neighbor. Large numbers of people can be affected by this kind of evil in wars but, again, these are relatively infrequent in the big picture of all inhabited countries.

The third kind of evil is the type that a person inflicts upon himself. This is the largest category of evils, far greater in number than those in the second class. Only a few people are not guilty of this kind of self-inflicted harm. This type of evil is spoken of by such prophets as Malachi (1:9 – “this has been of your doing”). King Solomon also wrote of it in Proverbs. For example, in 6:32 it says, “one who does this destroys his own soul,” while 19:3 tells us that “the foolishness of man perverts his way.” Solomon also discussed this topic in Koheles (Ecclesiastes). In 7:29 he tells us, “God has made man upright but they have come up with many thoughts.” These thoughts bring evil upon man.
The evils that a person brings upon himself are because of his vices, such as a desire for more food, drink and sex than is actually necessary. People engage in too much of these things, or they enjoy them inappropriately, and it causes them both physical and spiritual injury. Since the soul resides in the body, if one accustoms himself to superfluous amenities, he simultaneously conditions his soul to crave unnecessary things. This is especially bad when you consider that actual necessities are relatively few in both number and required quantities, while superfluous things are potentially without number.

People’s thoughts can become so twisted that they’re in constant agony over their inability to acquire as much silver or gold as someone else. They will expose themselves to great danger in order to acquire things they don’t really need. When they come to ruin through their own decisions, they blame God. They curse the circumstances they blame for their inability to acquire as much wine, women and song as money could buy as if the world exists solely for their gratification. Some go so far as to disparage God, saying the if He were able, He surely would have created a world more fair than this one.

Wise people, on the other hand, live their lives consistent with the words of King David in Psalms 25:10, “All the paths of God are mercy and truth to those who keep His covenant and His testimonies.” Those who keep their own role in the universe in context see God’s mercy and truth in everything. Rather than railing against God’s judgment, they seek to better understand His ways. Their needs are modest – food and clothing in limited quantities – and they are happy with their lot. In truth, all the self-inflicted injuries stem from a desire for that which is unnecessary, so that man cannot be satisfied that his actual needs have been met.

If I had a son and I would disappear when my son was born, then I would tell him (in his dream) to worship me, kill other animals including humans in my name, and I would send all imaginable diseases so that he suffers pretty much all his life, send all imaginable natural disasters so that his family is killed and he suffers, and yet I would tell him to trust me, because I love him and I have prepared hell for him when he dies if he does not do what I tell him to do, would I be a good father?

Someone needs to call the Child Protective Services on this God of yours. LOL. 

This idea that God created evil to test us is as ridiculous as the idea of the God itself.  This whole notion is unnatural.  No sane human being would want to harm his/her children, yet God somehow finds it entertaining to do just that.  Is your God mentally unstable?

Think about before you regurgitate someone else's ideas.

PS. Never mind God's commands to own slaves, subjugate women, kill gays and nonbelievers or even people who work on Sabbath.  

 
1885  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 21, 2018, 02:48:49 PM

Teaching children that God created universe in 6 days, and that Earth 6000 years old is child abuse.  But I digress.


Actually the latest science says that a religious upbringing improves children's health into adulthood.

Religious upbringing may be protective factor for health, well-being in early adulthood
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2018/09/17/raising-kids-with-religion-or-spirituality-may-protect-their-mental-health-study/#68c6ba2c3287


Belonging to a social club, meditating and exercising all have the same effect, without a boogie man or Santa Claus.  Not sure what your point is.

I would not hire anyone who believes that Earth is 6000 years old, or believes that the religious scriptures are the "word of God", no matter how happy and social they are.

People who believe those things lack critical thinking skills and have poor judgement.


You can't do anything without God - not even belong to a social club - because He penetrates everything if only for the purpose of holding it all in existence. Go to the Scientific proof that God exists? thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0 - to see that God exists, and how He controls everything.

People who do not understand that the Earth in its present, general physics form is only about 6,000 years old, might have skills that make them worth hiring, even if they have a different religion than you.

Cool

So I guess his 1755 earthquake in Lisbon (on All Saints day when all people were in church, the tallest buildings in the city) was a practical joke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1755_Lisbon_earthquake

Nice going God...

Need I go on?  AIDS in newborns, flesh eating bacteria, cancer, birth defects...The list is endless of "his" creations.

The sooner you realize that there are natural forces at work, not the supernatural the better, for your own sanity.  Continue to ignore the obvious, it does not matter what you folks believe, the nature will continue to evolve, regardless of your belief in the Jewish Zombie myth.
1886  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 21, 2018, 12:43:17 PM

Teaching children that God created universe in 6 days, and that Earth 6000 years old is child abuse.  But I digress.


Actually the latest science says that a religious upbringing improves children's health into adulthood.

Religious upbringing may be protective factor for health, well-being in early adulthood
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2018/09/17/raising-kids-with-religion-or-spirituality-may-protect-their-mental-health-study/#68c6ba2c3287


Belonging to a social club, meditating and exercising all have the same effect, without a boogie man or Santa Claus.  Not sure what your point is.

I would not hire anyone who believes that Earth is 6000 years old, or believes that the religious scriptures are the "word of God", no matter how happy and social they are.

People who believe those things lack critical thinking skills and have poor judgement.
1887  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 21, 2018, 03:18:06 AM
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As for religions adapting, well, they don't have a choice.  They cannot kill all the scientists.  They tried, but failed.

Religion tried to kill all the scientists? Where was that?

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Have you been living under a rock? Or you are just pretending to be an innocent, ignorant, religious buffoon?

To answer your question, it was during inquisition, there was an open hunting season on all scientists.

What they did to Giordano Bruno is mind boggling:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno

Just google it if you want the names. 

They tried to silence science back then, now they are trying to push their narrative in science classrooms with their "biblical science" curriculum.

Science will advance forward and push religions out to become footprints in the history books. 

Teaching children that God created universe in 6 days, and that Earth 6000 years old is child abuse.  But I digress.

1888  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 21, 2018, 01:30:34 AM
Well, sorry to have to correct you, but religion seems to also evolve. Not necessarily in directions I/you/we would like.

I get your point, but only partly agree with it. Religion, as you detailed in your post, is impacted by 'local cultural practices'; for example, someone born in the Middle East is likely to be raised a Muslim, whereas someone born in Ireland is likely to be raised Catholic. This doesn't happen in science. What is true in Saudi Arabia is true in Ireland, or anywhere. Someone's religion is (99% of the time) directly linked to their place of birth, or at the very least, by those that raise them. This isn't true with science. So while I accept that religion has evolved, in some respects even diluted, it is only in how people choose to practice it or which 'almighty power' they worship.

Well, that's not exactly what I was thinking about. Here's an example. Catholics thought they'd have priests that didn't marry, but there were exceptions. Why? Because they had to make exceptions to get some groups to go with their plan.

Christianity had many opposed to "vivisection" in the 19th century and prior, but that's not an issue today.

Galileo, I think you know that story.

It's been noted regarding the American Indians, that those who had adaptable religions have survived, while those who had rigid precepts in their religions have not. Adaptable is of course a key to something surviving a variety of conditions for a long term.

Consider the following argument. If religion did not adapt, science would overshadow it and it would vanish. If it did adapt to new understandings, it would survive. That is assuming some innate human needs for services provided by religion of course.



Eventually, science will explain what causes people to believe in these ridiculous religious dogmas.  One day, science will figure out the cure so that people who suffer from this condition can get some help.

As for religions adapting, well, they don't have a choice.  They cannot kill all the scientists.  They tried, but failed.


1889  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: September 17, 2018, 12:11:18 PM
You do know that something becomes illegal when somebody says it is illegal, don't you? I mean, if a cop says "That's illegal," then it's illegal, right? But if you won't accept a cop, maybe a senator who gets together with other government people and say, "That's illegal," then its illegal, right?

Is it illegal if 10,000 people say, "It's legal," and 500 Congress people say, "It's illegal?"

That's not how it works... that's not how any of this works... where would you even get such ideas?  "somebody", "a cop", "a senator", cannot make things illegal just because they say so... we have laws... laws make things illegal

words matter... learn some

His delusion goes like this: "Only God's laws are valid laws.  Laws written by people are not just laws and should not be obeyed (I wonder where the Muslims got their idea about the Sharia Law).  Only the Bible laws should be obeyed as they were given by God."

He omits the part that the laws in the Bible were written by people (if you can call the Bronze Age psychopaths such).  The writers of the Bible decided what to put in and what to exclude, then in 325 AD some old cardinals decided what to include in the Bible.  And there you have the finished product, created by the people for the people.

BADecker, you know why God is not updating the Bible?  It is because all the potential Bible writers are drooling, heavily medicated in their mental wards.

These days psychiatrists can identify the conditions all the would be prophets, seers have.  I bet you every US state has at least one Jesus in their mental facilities.
1890  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? on: September 13, 2018, 02:18:17 PM


If you don't know something, an honest position is to say I don't know, not to invent some imaginary entity to fill your gaps in knowledge.

You believe in the God of the Gaps.  Google it.


Science will eventually explain everything.  

Have you noticed that the space where your "God" existed is getting smaller and smaller, all thanks to science.  Now you have to place him outside of the known universe.  But in reality he only exists in your mind.  For most people God is just that good feeling, supplemented with iconography of their church and memories of religious ceremonies.

Your God concept has been created by years of indoctrination by the cult you were born into.


That is why I've been asking to why can't science simply answer that simple question to where did all started to fill my gaps in knowledge.


Science only fills the gap of humans capacity in this life.  After you die you don't even know what will happen, so what are you telling me then is we just came out here out from nowhere? Pathetic.

The idea of "Science will eventually explain everything" only exist in your mind as if "God" only existed in my mind.  I just can't imagine how you setup your reasoning, the fact that is already been given to you that science can't explain everything. Yet it seems that you really is being too faithful that science will "someday", "soon", "eventually" will be able to explain everything.

By the way I will be asking you something, Do scientist ever went to every time and space to state that all they tell based on their studies are facts? Obviously not they will only fill the cup with water where they were into just like you. You only understand things based on your studies or experience more that then you can't explain other things and that is scientifically proven.  That is the reason why science by all means can't just simply explain everything.
 

What science explains can be verified to be true.
What religion explains cannot be verified to be true and there is an overwhelming evidence that it is not true.

It is ok to have questions.  It is not ok to provide answers without any evidence or means of verification.

If you don't care whether the answers (to your burning questions) are true, you accept the religious world view.
If you care whether the answers (to your burning questions) are true, you accept the scientific world view.

The fact that most religious people ignore scientific discoveries (evolution, emergence etc) that negate their position should tell you something about them.  They don't care.  They believe whatever the cult they were born into.

When scientists cannot explain something, they simply say "we don't know, we'll continue to look for the answers".
When religious folks cannot explain something, they simply say "God did it, we have the answers".

Which one of the two positions is an honest position.

1891  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christianity is Poison on: September 12, 2018, 05:31:04 PM
Apparently the Mormons borrowed the Catholic playbook for pedophile priests...

Leaked Doc: Mormon Church Was “Reluctant” To Punish Elder Who Sexted with Minor
http://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2018/09/11/leaked-doc-mormon-church-was-reluctant-to-punish-elder-who-sexted-with-minor/



First Amendment. Freedom of religion. The church gets to punish according to their own religious laws. Keep the State out of religious affairs.

Cool

Pedophilia is not a religion.
1892  Other / Politics & Society / Re: shouldn't we plant billions of trees now? because on: September 11, 2018, 05:21:45 PM
I've heard that planting trees at this point is useless.Estimations state that even planting the entire planet with trees wouldn't be sufficient to avoid earth's temperature keep getting higher."Planting trees hype" became just an excuse for associations to earn quick bucks.
Instead,we need to limit usage of fossil energy and replace it by other sources of energy environment-friendly like sun and wind.

This will not solve the root cause of the issue.

We need to reduce our global population growth to zero, or make it slightly negative.  Only then you will see some positive results, in few generations.

As it is now we are on track to be hit by a moving train.

Renewable energy would do squat when your energy demand doubles every 70 years due to the population growth.
1893  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: September 07, 2018, 04:32:17 PM
So I am finally shaking the foundations of your evolution religion! Good. You just might come to reality and realize evolution is a hoax.

Where is your example of beneficial mutation? Just because a bunch of people think that a mutation might be beneficial, do we take a vote to see who is right? How do we know that a critter thinks that the change is beneficial?

If a fish grew legs via evolution, where did the legs start? They started as nubs, or even less. No benefit in nubs. Do you think the fish foresaw that one of its descendants thousands or hundreds of thousands of years later would benefit from legs?

Where are your DNA samples for any of the fossils that are considered missing links? Without them, there is no way to tell that all the so-called missing links were not their own animal brought about by some non-evolution method that we don't understand yet.

What about the fact that there are multitudes of fossil creatures that just appeared, fully developed, without something to have developed from?

Where is your proof of even one pure random happening, so that we can see that there is a possibility that things were not programmed to exist as they are? After all, physics doesn't deviate in producing results. If it did, nobody could expect to ever get the same result from the same scientific experiment.

Where is natural selection? After all, nature has made multitudes of fantastic forms of life. Scientists and engineers can't make even one. And nature has fantastic reproduction in all its life forms. Scientists don't even entirely understand how it works. Why is nature so smart beyond all scientists and engineers?

When you look at the answers evolution people give to these and many other questions, you don't even realize that the answers skirt the questions, rather than answering them. But that is all right for you. You need to keep your evolution religion intact, right?

Evolution isn't just a hoax. It's a complete fabrication.

Cool

You have points in your questions, and even if answers skirt the questions, as you say, how come you so easily accept another solution to the questions, one which has absolutely zero proof?  Why don’t you apply the same suspicion and scrutiny to this solution?

500 years ago, we did not even know electricity existed. Might have experienced it via static electricity, but did not really know what it was.  Just because we don’t know – yet – does not mean it is not true. 2-4000 years ago, people believed in a multitude of gods, as an absolutely undisputed fact. They would think you were crazy if you told them there was only one. How were they less correct vs. your beliefs now? I think you would say they are, because it’s obvious and maybe even downright insane to you – but prove it to me!

Just because scientists and engineers can’t make life yet, has zero to do with if any given thing is true or not.


The ancient Greeks and Egyptians knew of electricity.

blah, blah...ya-ba-da-ba-doo, and other flintstones shit..., blah, blah
They knew Zeus was angry every time there was lightning.  That is how much they knew of electricity.

1894  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Rape me please! on: September 07, 2018, 04:27:56 PM
It's all about advertising products and services to make money.

Years ago, a woman remained in her parents' home until she got married. After she got married, she remained in husband's home. The men who loved her - father and husband - protected her from rape.

Then the advertisers came along. But they couldn't get the men to buy as easily as they could the women. So, they went about liberating the women from the protection of their men.

Women have been seduced into the open so that advertisers can sell more products. Since the woman goes out there and chases the products, she has made herself ripe for rape. In fact, she has essentially invited rape.

Of course, when it is invited, it isn't really rape. But, the women don't understand that they have invited it, so without understanding, maybe it is rape after all.

Cool

Why you hate women so much?  It cannot be just your Bible brainwashing talking...

I'm guessing you are smaller than 6", am I right, or am I right? LOL.

You are probably sexually frustrated as you never could satisfy a woman so you turned to religion to help you deal with your health issues.

Put down that Bible and work that little man in the boat.  Be happy you little weirdo.

Invited rape?  You have no idea what you are talking about.

You have reached the moral bottom, even for the religious freak like you.

Would you feel the same way if men were raped.  What about unarmed guys being shot dead?  They invited it too?
1895  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Rape me please! on: September 06, 2018, 07:09:02 PM
You cannot blame women.  Why would you want to blame a victim?

It does not matter if it is India, Germany, Pakistan or Sweden.

Imagine if someone beat up a guy senseless, and used this as his defense: "Well, I did not like how the guy look at me so I had an urge to beat the shit out of him".  You clearly, at least I hope, see who is the victim and who is the perpetrator.

Why is it hard for some people to apply the same logic to a sexual assault?

We should either have life sentences or death penalties for rapes.  The damage these cause are permanent and lifelong.
1896  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 06, 2018, 03:39:09 AM
Here's the difference between science and religion. Religion has the answers to the main and most important questions of the universe. Science has a tiny touch of some of the details, and will take thousands of years to catch up to the important things religion already has... through revelation.

Cool

You forgot to add "blah, blah, I can't hear you, blah, blah...evolution is a hoax, blah, blah, I can't hear you, blah, blah".

Here is the difference between the two:

Religion provides answers without evidence.

Science provides answers based on evidence.

Oh, oh. You goofed.

Religion provides answers based on eye witness reports.

Science provides answers in theory form, when believed as fact, are really just a form of religion.

Cool

You don't understand both, religion and science.  

Frankly, I am not surprised you are religious.  You have no choice.  You were born this way.
1897  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Non-Religious is now the largest religious group in America! on: September 06, 2018, 03:33:35 AM
It is probably even higher among young people.

We need another generation to be a majority.

Similar results in Canada.  35% people do not believe in God, up from 19% in 2005.

https://www.crop.ca/en/blog/2017/169/
1898  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The difference between science and religion on: September 05, 2018, 10:05:01 PM
Here's the difference between science and religion. Religion has the answers to the main and most important questions of the universe. Science has a tiny touch of some of the details, and will take thousands of years to catch up to the important things religion already has... through revelation.

Cool

You forgot to add "blah, blah, I can't hear you, blah, blah...evolution is a hoax, blah, blah, I can't hear you, blah, blah".

Here is the difference between the two:

Religion provides answers without evidence.

Science provides answers based on evidence.
1899  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crazy shit Bible says, crazy shit Christians say on: September 05, 2018, 10:00:02 PM
All this is not needed, you dont't need to call the bible and Christians shit just because you don't believe in their religion ideology .

You have to call a spade a spade.  Stupid ideas should be ridiculed so that we can move on as humanity.

Perpetuating Bronze Age or 6th century world view is just wrong.  The year is 2018, not 618.

But since we have been devolving this whole time - evolution is a hoax, but entropy causes the devolution - people were way smarter in 618 than they are in2018.

Cool

Some people.  You are a prime example.
1900  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crazy shit Bible says, crazy shit Christians say on: September 05, 2018, 02:51:14 PM
All this is not needed, you dont't need to call the bible and Christians shit just because you don't believe in their religion ideology .

You have to call a spade a spade.  Stupid ideas should be ridiculed so that we can move on as humanity.

Perpetuating Bronze Age or 6th century world view is just wrong.  The year is 2018, not 618.
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