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1941  Other / Off-topic / Re: Observations on prayers and miracles? on: July 30, 2014, 03:23:36 PM
Sigh.  No.   I repeat for the 12th time.      I have said it remains more logical to believe a miracle of modern medicine or cloning than to believe a magical god did it.  I also said there are fantastical things that I could imagine that would make me consider supernatural.  However, pondering nonsense that has never occurred is a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.

Now before you ever respond to me in this thread again I want you to repost what I said above and indicate you understand that is my position.

Can you do that?
1942  Other / Off-topic / Re: Observations on prayers and miracles? on: July 30, 2014, 03:05:16 PM
Ok then, rewording this, since you say you have answered such, and perhaps I misunderstood.  To clarify:

If the following was to happen, all 5 points below, you agree that the most logical explanation would be that something supernatural happened.  I have that correct?
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1.You are walking in the woods, hiking, enjoying nature, and you come across someone you know, but dead.

2.You are able to determine that the body has been dead and decomposing for about 10 days.

3.Pieces of it are dismembered - for example, the right arm is 50 feet away.

4.And, no technology around. You are not in a lab. You may be carrying your cell phone, IPAD, but, personal stuff.

5.And while you are looking at this body, before your very eyes, this person rises immediately, whole and alive again. His arm from 50 feet away is not re-attached to his body. He is well, and he knows you, just as you knew him.
what if a T-Rex danced on the head of a pin?  Aren't you dying to know if I would believe in God if that happened?

Driver:  Ive been asking him the same question......why waste your time pondering what-ifs and just spill the beans on the evidence you believe you have?  We both know he will NEVER list any evidence other than "what-if"
1943  Other / Off-topic / Re: Observations on prayers and miracles? on: July 30, 2014, 02:30:39 PM

Talking about fantastical examples of magic that have never happened and will never happen when discussing evidence of god is about as pointless an exercise as you can imagine....and ....you can imagine a whole slew of pointless exercises. Rather than discussing imaginary made up crazy shit that might make us think god is real....I have a novel idea. Why not discuss actual evidence that indicates God is real?


See, that last post might have some credibility if you had answered the last question.

So again, give an example of below - apparently if there are lots of things, something comes to mind.

Lots of things could occur that would make me believe in God

I repeat........ making a list of fairy tale magic events that would have to occur to prove god exists, like a bearded man floating down from the sky and telling me he is god and taking me to heaven to see my grandmother, is a complete waste of an effort.  What the fuck purpose does it serve you to get me to make up fantastic bullshit magical evidences that don't exist and will never exist? 
Well, you might read Revelation chapter 6 some time.   I am going to make this clearer, as, when you replied, you did not touch upon all aspects, etc

1.You are walking in the woods, hiking, enjoying nature, and you come across someone you know, but dead.

2.You are able to determine that the body has been dead and decomposing for about 10 days.

3.Pieces of it are dismembered - for example, the right arm is 50 feet away.

4.And, no technology around.  You are not in a lab.  You may be carrying your cell phone, IPAD, but, personal stuff.

5.And while you are looking at this body, before your very eyes, this person rises immediately, whole and alive again.  His arm from 50 feet away is not re-attached to his body.  He is well, and he knows you, just as you knew him.


You feel the most logical explanation for this is tissue reanimation or cloning under these circumstances?  I have that right?
I already stated that something fantastical could be evidence of god, even though our lack of knowledge how something works has never been evidence of god in the past.  But there is no evidence that what you describe  ever happened despite your tossing out Revelations as a technical citation.  So..... talking about fantastical bullshit that never happened is really a waste of time.  I have asked you now more than ten times....if you think there is evidence of god.....tell me what it is.

Recall   Evidence = body of facts proving something true.  So even if we saw a dead rotting guy who was later alive, this is just as much evidence for a god-like doctor, some other miracle than God, or (insert your own fantastical explanation here). 
1944  Other / Politics & Society / Re: North korea threatens DC with nukes on: July 30, 2014, 02:20:22 PM
Well, nuking the White House would also destroy the Pentagon. Not sure why they would waste 2 rockets when one would be enough. I agree that the White House is a stronghold of evil. If they wait till obama gets finished firing the good Military Leaders and replacing them with really evil ones, then, by all means, send that extra rocket.
The rocket will not be able to enter American air space, let alone American soil. Have you guys forgotten about the state of the art defensive technology we posses? It will take some serious intellectual calculations to achieve that goal. I seriously doubt they could ever come close to accomplishing that. Now Russia or China on the other hand have more intelligence and money to accomplish that goal; however, they are not foolish enough to do it or talk about doing it. If you really want to Nuke someone, you aren’t going to announce it to the world. It is clear that Hwang Pyong-So is only saying this to gain more popularity from his people.
1945  Other / Off-topic / Re: Observations on prayers and miracles? on: July 30, 2014, 01:46:50 PM
Talking about fantastical examples of magic that have never happened and will never happen when discussing evidence of god is about as pointless an exercise as you can imagine....and ....you can imagine a whole slew of pointless exercises. Rather than discussing imaginary made up crazy shit that might make us think god is real....I have a novel idea. Why not discuss actual evidence that indicates God is real?


See, that last post might have some credibility if you had answered the last question.

So again, give an example of below - apparently if there are lots of things, something comes to mind.

Lots of things could occur that would make me believe in God

I repeat........ making a list of fairy tale magic events that would have to occur to prove god exists, like a bearded man floating down from the sky and telling me he is god and taking me to heaven to see my grandmother, is a complete waste of an effort.  What the fuck purpose does it serve you to get me to make up fantastic bullshit magical evidences that don't exist and will never exist? 
1946  Other / Off-topic / Re: Israel's future war: War of God and Magog on: July 30, 2014, 01:38:27 PM
Now, back to the prophecy and its analysis: It could be reasonably argued that Israel is living more securely today than at any other time in its 63 years. The Israeli Defense Forces are widely considered the strongest and most effective ground fighting force in the Middle East. The Israeli Air Force is widely considered dominant in the skies. Israel has peace treaties with two major neighbors, Egypt and Jordan (though the future of the treaty with Egypt is increasingly in question). Yasser Arafat is gone. Saddam Hussein is gone. Osama bin Laden is gone. Palestinian suicide bombings are not a daily part of Israeli life since 2004. Rockets are occassionally fired from Gaza at Israeli civilians living in the south, but this is not nearly as bad as it was prior to Operation Cast Lead in January 2009. Moreover, Israel has just deployed a short-range rocket defense system called “Iron Dome” that is very effective. Meanwhile, Israel has submarines, ballistic missiles, and first rate intelligence services in her defense. Israel has also enjoyed decades of a close strategic partnership with the United States, has a strong and vibrant economy, and is widely believed to have defensive nuclear weapons, though the government maintains a policy of “strategic ambiguity” on the subject, neither confirming nor denying the existence of those weapons.
1947  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Iron dome intercepts volleys of rockets all over Israel 29/7/2014 on: July 30, 2014, 01:27:31 PM
The more Hamas keeps firing into civilian areas, the greater the consequences. They can stop anytime they want but continue.... gluttons for punishment.
The worst part is their attack strategy is failing so badly. Yet they will not stop. The answer is because they want their own civilians killed to use as propaganda.that is Hamas real weapon.
1948  Other / Off-topic / Re: Israel's future war: War of God and Magog on: July 30, 2014, 01:13:32 PM
But while the Bible clearly explains that the Lord will bring the Jewish people back to the Land of Israel and allow them to reclaim their God-given ownership of the Land, nowhere in the Bible are Jews (or any group of people) given a license to commit injustice. To the contrary, the Bible teaches Israel to love her neighbors (Leviticus 19:18 and Matthew 19:19). The Bible also teaches Israel to love her neighbors and pray for those who persecute them (Matthew 5:44). The Jews do have rights to the ownership of the Land, but they also have responsibilities to govern justly and compassionately, in accordance with the Scriptures. In Leviticus 19:33-34, for example, the Lord says: “When a stranger [non-Jew] resides with you in your land,  you shall not do him wrong. The stranger who resides with you shall be to  you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord your God.”
1949  Economy / Economics / Re: The Export-Import Bank on: July 30, 2014, 01:07:09 PM
I guess I was not aware of all of the widebody, long-range aircraft being made by Chinese, Japanese and South Korean concerns...
Ex-Im finances much more outside of aviation sales, but we absolutely do have competitors in aviation sales as well, they just tend to be more European and Russian.
I am not sure it is "much more" outside of Boeing, given that a supermajority (65%) of its financing guarantees support the sale of Boeing widebody aircraft (a market where there is only one real competitor--Airbus), and almost 90% of the total goes to Boeing, GE and Caterpillar.
1950  Economy / Economics / Re: The Export-Import Bank on: July 30, 2014, 12:37:29 PM
I guess I was not aware of all of the widebody, long-range aircraft being made by Chinese, Japanese and South Korean concerns...
1951  Economy / Economics / Re: The Export-Import Bank on: July 30, 2014, 12:08:24 PM
So it's corporate welfare?
Nope. I'm also a little curious as to why you feel the need to attach it to some sort of over-reductionist soundbyte in order to discuss it. Why can't we just talk about what it actually does and why it is there?
I don't think it is reductionist to point out that subsidizing upstream equipment purchases for the foreign competitors of U.S. companies is much different from tariffs on intermediate goods. Both have the same downstream effect of favoring one American business over another.
Boeing isn't a foreign competitor. Nor are these businesses operating in the same markets (generally speaking). This also isn't a direct subsidy, it is an indirect one through risk management guarantees.

The term "corporate welfare" is a politicized term and doesn't really have anything to do with this subject. The fact that you feel the need to phrase this subject in some sort of politicized context before discussing its merits is a bit telling.
A rose by any other name...

Boeing is not a foreign competitor, but the foreign airlines it sells jets to are foreign competitors of U.S. airlines. The foreign competitor gets a subsidy to buy jets that amounts to a buy eight, get one free card. The U.S. airlines get no such subsidy and have to pay higher interest rates on jet leases and purchases. Are you truly arguing that that this does not create a competitive advantage for the foreign companies?
Slightly reduced sunk costs are hardly a barrier to free market competition between airlines. And you are also ignoring the fact that the primary point here is not subsidies. These airlines aren't necessarily getting planes cheaper than US airlines. What the loan gauntness do is reduce risk for US companies, and it is that risk, not the actual cost of the plane, that usually prices them out of the market. And those risk costs aren't present in US markets and aren't something US airlines have to deal with when buying their capital inputs. Your argument rests on some sort of market symmetry, but that symmetry doesn't exist.
The foreign airlines are getting planes much cheaper than U.S. airlines. And there are significant credit risks in the U.S. market, albeit somewhat different risks, or else the financing rates for established airlines would not be so much higher.
1952  Economy / Economics / Re: The Export-Import Bank on: July 30, 2014, 11:44:11 AM
So it's corporate welfare?
Nope. I'm also a little curious as to why you feel the need to attach it to some sort of over-reductionist soundbyte in order to discuss it. Why can't we just talk about what it actually does and why it is there?
I don't think it is reductionist to point out that subsidizing upstream equipment purchases for the foreign competitors of U.S. companies is much different from tariffs on intermediate goods. Both have the same downstream effect of favoring one American business over another.
Boeing isn't a foreign competitor. Nor are these businesses operating in the same markets (generally speaking). This also isn't a direct subsidy, it is an indirect one through risk management guarantees.

The term "corporate welfare" is a politicized term and doesn't really have anything to do with this subject. The fact that you feel the need to phrase this subject in some sort of politicized context before discussing its merits is a bit telling.
A rose by any other name...

Boeing is not a foreign competitor, but the foreign airlines it sells jets to are foreign competitors of U.S. airlines. The foreign competitor gets a subsidy to buy jets that amounts to a buy eight, get one free card. The U.S. airlines get no such subsidy and have to pay higher interest rates on jet leases and purchases. Are you truly arguing that that this does not create a competitive advantage for the foreign companies?
1953  Economy / Economics / Re: The Export-Import Bank on: July 30, 2014, 11:18:26 AM
So it's corporate welfare?
Nope. I'm also a little curious as to why you feel the need to attach it to some sort of over-reductionist soundbyte in order to discuss it. Why can't we just talk about what it actually does and why it is there?
I don't think it is reductionist to point out that subsidizing upstream equipment purchases for the foreign competitors of U.S. companies is much different from tariffs on intermediate goods. Both have the same downstream effect of favoring one American business over another.
1954  Economy / Economics / Re: The Export-Import Bank on: July 30, 2014, 10:56:30 AM
So it's corporate welfare?
1955  Economy / Economics / Re: The Export-Import Bank on: July 30, 2014, 10:19:01 AM
In theory it should help create American jobs by expanding foreign markets for US goods.
In practice it is little more than corporate welfare. One company -Boeing has received over 50% of funds in recent years.
We lent Boeing only $291 million out of about $8 billion total in 2013. I think you are thinking more of guarantees that we use to help with risk management of which Boeing is a big benefactor.
So you oppose free trade? Why not just increase tariffs then?
1956  Other / Politics & Society / Re: NIGERIA, LIBERIA TO SHUT DOWN EBOLA HOSPITALS on: July 29, 2014, 04:48:47 PM
Liberia shuts border crossings, restricts gatherings to curb Ebola spreading

(Reuters) - The Liberian government on Sunday closed most of the West African nation's border crossings and introduced stringent health measures to curb the spread of the deadly Ebola virus that has killed at least 660 people across the region.

The new measures announced by the government on Sunday came as Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone struggle to contain the worst outbreak yet of the virus.

Speaking at a task force meeting, Liberia President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf said the government is doing everything to fight the virus including inspecting and testing all outgoing and incoming passengers by Liberia's airport authority.

"All borders of Liberia will be closed with the exception of major entry points. At these entry points, preventive and testing centers will be established, and stringent preventive measures to be announced will be scrupulously adhered to," she said.

Ebola can kill up to 90 percent of those who catch it, although the fatality rate of the current outbreak is around 60 percent. Highly contagious, especially in the late stages, its symptoms include vomiting and diarrhea as well as internal and external bleeding.

Under the new measures, public gatherings such as marches, demonstrations and promotional advertisements also will be restricted.

The outbreak has placed a great strain on the health systems of some of Africa's poorest countries.

"No doubt, the Ebola virus is a national health problem. And as we have also begun to see, it attacks our way of life, with serious economic and social consequences," Sirleaf said in a statement.

Still, despite efforts to fight the disease, the virus continues to spread. A 33-year-old American doctor working for relief organization Samaritan's Purse in Liberia tested positive for the disease on Saturday.

The charity said on Sunday a second American, who was helping a team treating Ebola patients at a case management center in Monrovia had also tested positive.

Samuel Brisbane, a senior Liberian doctor, who was also treating infected patients has died after contracting the virus, authorities said on Sunday. In Nigeria's commercial capital Lagos, a Liberian man who tested positive died in on Friday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/28/us-health-ebola-africa-idUSKBN0FX00V20140728
1957  Other / Politics & Society / Re: what do you think about the way college tuitions keep increasing out of control on: July 29, 2014, 04:31:06 PM
The real question is why tuition and costs go up so much. Find the underlying reason. Teachers at Universities have not had their salaries go up that much. Other costs like maintenance and utilities have not gone up that much. So WHY is it costing so much more?

Those are the areas that need to be controlled.
While I do not agree with you that there is a macro problem with college costs or student loan costs, to the extent you believe there is a problem, you are looking at the wrong cause. The cause, like with healthcare, is the way it is funded--completely divorced from real market forces.
1958  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Send the Illegals Back, Americans First! on: July 29, 2014, 04:26:27 PM
Not to mention the menial jobs which illegals do. If you get rid of illegals, look forward to prices on everything skyrocketing. You also don't mention the taxes which they pay (property tax in the form of rent and sales tax on purchases).

Also, being illegal, they don't receive any benefits, such as unemployment or medicare. Tell me where these "billions spent on illegals" are being spent?
No. Rent is not property tax. Rent is rent.


But many of them do pay personal income tax. I haven't looked it up in a while, but the last time I looked it up, it was a couple million people who had filed with an ITIN. As I understand it, however, the IRS has imposed some restrictions on ITIN filings within the last year or so that would likely disincentivize undocumented workers from filing a tax return. It would be interesting to see if ITIN filings have dropped despite immigration numbers going up.
1959  Other / Politics & Society / Re: what do you think about the way college tuitions keep increasing out of control on: July 29, 2014, 04:07:13 PM
Like most liberal causes, it is a myth. Neither the cost of college nor student loan burdens are increasing beyond inflation.
1960  Other / Politics & Society / Re: FBI has a success rate of 50% when it comes to stopping domestic terrorism. on: July 29, 2014, 04:04:31 PM
I'm (roughly) throwing around two numbers.

"All of the high-profile domestic terrorism plots of the last decade, with four exceptions"

And

"four exceptions"


The 50% stems from the fact that of those four exceptions, two were successfully carried out.
ie. you cherry picked 4 cases that result in an impressive statistic for you to throw around (the 50%), then in the title of your thread imply that this statistic also applies for all domestic terrorism.

in the segment of my post you quote here, i analyzed exactly how you cherry picked this and why it is misleading.
I don't think he is cherry picking at all: he is separating the data based on specific and important qualifiers / details. That's done all of the time in statistics and is a perfectly acceptable analytical tool. Those four cases are important because they represent the FBI dealing with a terrorist threat that rests outside of the ones that they construct from the ground up in order to ensnare potential terrorists.
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