Hi. where do i buy these coins do i need to get bitcoins and two wallets?. I can see clearly how to use Vericoin but bitcoin?.
Hi, First you have to buy bitcoin. There are several ways to do this but the safest is to open an account in coinbase. Then you will own bitcoin (not an immediate process but not too long either --usually a few days). Second, while you wait for coinbase to deliver the bitcoin, you need to open a trading account either in Cryptsy, Mintpal or Bittrex (there are other exchanges but these are the main three). Third, when coinbase delivers your btc, you transfer it to your trading account. At that point you will be able to buy Vericoin in any of those exchanges. After that you may want to have your own wallet outside of the exchanges, in which case you need to download it to your computing device. Thank you for delivering us all again to reality to see just how far we are from any form of adoption by the general public, let alone merchants in a significant amount. It sounds more complicated than it actually is but those are needed steps. Good luck!
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the price is low not b/c of lack of development or the efforts of the current devs...
it is low right now b/c for weeks now there has been a well coordinated effort to force the price down by more then one person for more then one reason... everything from ppl selling off to support their own/other coins to ppl being scared PoS might replace PoW...
Now on this Dev4 thing... I have voiced my opinion on the matter...
if that developer stops playing this stupid nobody can know my name while I demand an insane amount of coins game... my stance might change...
but to be honest I would not be surprised if that "developer" has also been apart of that effort to force vrc down.
and I veri much have to agree with a post made on veritalk even tho that forum is apparently no more.
"if the devs are willing to negotiate with 500k to over a million vrc they should b working to make a deal with companies like apple to do things like work off the upcoming iphone 6 and its integrated digital wallet...
not striking deals with someone off of btctalk."
I really don't want to do any backroom anything. Ultimately these will be decisions for the community, we are just seeing if it's even worth talking about publicly essentially. The only reason it's not open right now is at the request of the dev, which will change either way. There will be transparency either way this goes. Ultimately the decision will rest with the community if it is something that is possible. We should have more clarity on this soon. Can you please take a moment or two to at least re-read what you post? These boards are not just read by illiterate cheerleaders, but by educated individuals too. And you post as the developer of the project... Amazing, really amazing.
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Let's all just throw out blatant accusations and hang everybody before getting all of the facts.
The purported IRC buyer is a scammer or a group of scammers who seem to have been targeting IRC Vericoin users for several weeks now. They will offer to buy VRC at any rate in hopes that greed will make someone slip up. I informed the IRC channel of this weeks ago and given these people are still coming back they probably need to get banned for the safety of IRC users. Why altcoinUK keeps trying to lie here I have no idea, unless he is somehow related to the IRC scammers. In any case. If anyone wants to buy or sell alot of VRC at once, all you have to do is put the order on at a certain time and have your counterparty put their order on at the same time to match it. Easy and Done. On a side note. For those who support the idea of Dev4, please PM your Devs and request this directly to them and ask them how you can help. How can anybody make a decsion on Dev4?. We have no idea who he is? What he's offering? or what he wants for a deal? What are the targets?. How many coins involved?. Time limit on hitting targets?. What his intentions after?You Have to be kidding. Decide??? on what?
NO! on Dev4!
I tend to agree with you but if he was thoroughly vetted and found to be a person of integrity then I would probably reconsider. Kevondo, actually for every single question you gave as a reason you vote no, the answer has been posted right here in this forum from the outset of the discussions so no clue where you have been. Even his identity is known to not only the devs, but I bet to a few other people as well. His support and his tech would be the single greatest asset this coin would ever have but if you are happy at 8000 and 9000 Satoshis and sitting idle (or slowly dying) while the rest of crypto is evolving, then by all means stick your head in the sand and stay I follow this with your very uninformed opinion. or, just go back and read my posts to get your answers. Those are YOUR opinions on this Euber-Dev. How can we have an opinion if we don't know who he is? or evaluate the deal if we don't know what it entails. The specfic's of the deal have never been certain. First it was a Million Coins. with a Laddered payout when price targets where attained and no mention of his paying anything. Pnosker said he didn't want to hold the coins so Big Snapples (who's promoting the deal says he will-- right!) Snapples also said he had a large holding and would donate 100,000 of his own but when asked to post a wallet addy to prove he indeed held that many coins he failed to provide one and still hasn't.(to my knowledge) He also said he had commitments from other holders of VRC for a total of 500,000. The coins never materialized and the deal lanquished. It then was revived but it was for 500,000 now and he pays todays price for the coins when and if he hits the target. Does he get the entire 500,00 for hitting 100K Sat. or is it still laddered? How much time does he get to hit the Target? Can it be a year, 2 years, 5 years? What's to stop him from "Dumping" the coins once he has them in his possesion? If the Dev's are satisfied they can work with him, and think the deal has merit, I would want him to unveil himself (without exposing his Uber-feature). Him staying anonymous is a deal breaker for me. It violates the spirit of Vericoin. I'm not the only one drawn to the coin by the openness of the Devs. The rumor now is that it's an Etherium based feature he has. Just GREAT! It's not even promised until Winter of '15, and they don't even have to deliver, EVER! NOt with my money.Especially in Crypto World. We'll see where that project is come spring. The entire deal stinks of Capitalism to me. It's all about "Price Appreciation". Vericoin will appreciate in value as features are added/improved and the community educates the masses about Digital Currencies. Which will lead to wide acceptance of digital commerce as a way of transfering value from person to merchant, Bank, or another person. If you want to make a Quick Buck go Day Trade. So What is THE DEAL? or should I try and fiqure it out from the conflicting things I read. Your not spelling out the parameters of the deal being considered is a testament to your self-absorbed rightousness in pursuit of MONEY. It's isn't about the MONEY for me. It's the higher road of Satoshi's Grand Vision. And "radio"...
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the price is low not b/c of lack of development or the efforts of the current devs...
it is low right now b/c for weeks now there has been a well coordinated effort to force the price down by more then one person for more then one reason... everything from ppl selling off to support their own/other coins to ppl being scared PoS might replace PoW...
Now on this Dev4 thing... I have voiced my opinion on the matter...
if that developer stops playing this stupid nobody can know my name while I demand an insane amount of coins game... my stance might change...
but to be honest I would not be surprised if that "developer" has also been apart of that effort to force vrc down.
and I veri much have to agree with a post made on veritalk even tho that forum is apparently no more.
"if the devs are willing to negotiate with 500k to over a million vrc they should b working to make a deal with companies like apple to do things like work off the upcoming iphone 6 and its integrated digital wallet...
not striking deals with someone off of btctalk."
The levels of delusion here are to be seen to be believed, really... Not in the next 20 years you will ever pass the receptionist at Apple if you are to mention digital currencies, let alone VRC. Wow, wow, wow... And yep Arsenio, the entire world is conspiring to push the price of VRC down... not that not having made ANY progress whatsoever since launch, has anything to do with it... Amazing. Simply amazing...
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Let's all just throw out blatant accusations and hang everybody before getting all of the facts.
The purported IRC buyer is a scammer or a group of scammers who seem to have been targeting IRC Vericoin users for several weeks now. They will offer to buy VRC at any rate in hopes that greed will make someone slip up. I informed the IRC channel of this weeks ago and given these people are still coming back they probably need to get banned for the safety of IRC users. Why altcoinUK keeps trying to lie here I have no idea, unless he is somehow related to the IRC scammers. In any case. If anyone wants to buy or sell alot of VRC at once, all you have to do is put the order on at a certain time and have your counterparty put their order on at the same time to match it. Easy and Done. On a side note. For those who support the idea of Dev4, please PM your Devs and request this directly to them and ask them how you can help. How can anybody make a decsion on Dev4?. We have no idea who he is? What he's offering? or what he wants for a deal? What are the targets?. How many coins involved?. Time limit on hitting targets?. What his intentions after?You Have to be kidding. Decide??? on what?
NO! on Dev4!
I tend to agree with you but if he was thoroughly vetted and found to be a person of integrity then I would probably reconsider. Kevondo, actually for every single question you gave as a reason you vote no, the answer has been posted right here in this forum from the outset of the discussions so no clue where you have been. Even his identity is known to not only the devs, but I bet to a few other people as well. His support and his tech would be the single greatest asset this coin would ever have but if you are happy at 8000 and 9000 Satoshis and sitting idle (or slowly dying) while the rest of crypto is evolving, then by all means stick your head in the sand and stay with your very uninformed opinion. or, just go back and read my posts to get your answers. Ive read them I would Jump on that deal that was suggested in those posts thats why the comment they where Negotiating confused me l8er. I thought that was the deal dev4 asked for as u stated in your post.(wich as i posted before is a DreamDeal for us) I also havent seen anything from the Devs linking to where i could Vote on this or ask me to contribute x VRC. This should be on the vericoin.info voting / commenting. I vote TO TAKE THAT DEAL TODAY! If we cant raise 500k to put in escrow for this we might as well give up now. I will be more then happy to put in my share. Just to be Clear as I understand it We Put 500k in Esrcow @ current market value so lets say 9k. Dev4 Will work on this coin for Free. If and when the price hits 100k sat he can go to the Escrow and @ that time BUY those coins for 9k sat price @ that time u will get paid for your coins. As deals go they dont get much better then that , If im wrong or missed something please correct me i just want to understand the deal properly. That is, indeed, the deal they are taking weeks to "consider". Just to make clear one point in your post is a bit confusing: Yes, if and when VRC reaches 0.001, dev4 would buy those 500k at current price -of today- and the donors will receive the proceeds from him, so, in fact, they would have not put a single VRC into the deal. Not completely clear either is the term of this deal, but we were led -by Drkman- to believe that it would be up to the end of the year or earlier. I would reiterate my previously posted question to Drkman, is "boxxa" 'dev4'?
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Hey VRC holders: We have some stuff we're working on but many of our potential partners are insistent that the community stop attacking each other and acting so childish. So please, let's try to be civil here or we will be forced to close this unce. ored thread.
Oh then by all means hurry up and close it and proceed with those fabulous deals you are aceing with third parties such as moolah and coinsis.... since those have proven to be so beneficial for the project (I know, I know, by 2040 we'll begin to see how beneficial they are a what a visionary you were). We are quite literally forcing you to do what you have been so.long aching to do... go for it Nosker and, by the way, you can take the historic opportunity to tell everyone exactly what the purpose of the transfrr of you 200k vrc was. So there are no more doubts or confusing interpretations... You can also clarify that the dev team is not going to enter the vouching of new escrow businesses business. he is simply asking you to chill out, cool it dude, with the accusations, wild theories etc, now odd spelling * what's up with that . You are much more eloquent & intelligent than that. So behave like it. I have not been on here much, for the past few pages, You have been a very bad boy i stood up for you on many occasions, whenever you show some collaboration. Lately I can see you are under fire from many which I did warn you a while back, that you can't just go around blasting insults and expect others to be kind. Yes you can write your books, yes you can blast me, i am immune by now lol - but seriously, all jokes aside we all reflect the image of this coin. So let's be civil - thanks Err... dude, we have had a long series of encounters (encounters online, that is), Nosker, Pike and me, so whenever they post something here, there's never just "chill out", ok? We know very, very well -them and me- that they want to effect the highest level of censorship. They have both DONE so -many times- and expressed to that effect several others. So no, it isn't "chill out" it is, indeed, trying to justify exercising censorship. Period. And hey... dude, it's ok with me: They will not silence the criticism, the very well deserved criticism and, as usual, the move will bite themselves in the arse. Like every single decision, so far, has. This is not new, of course (nothing -but the initial new standard of transparency... what an irony that is going to be...- in in Vericoin, everything seems to be copy/paste, even behaviors) and was implemented already and by very much the same reasons, by BlackCoin which these guys want so desperately to copy... only thing is that, as usual, they will not learn from their mistakes: Since they closed the unmoderated forum, BC has never ceased to go down. Not only I haven't been a "bad boy" I have been, actually, the ONLY one here that, in spite of the relentless attacks, has not retaliated at all and has not uttered a single bad word... the effect though, is the same: We are dealing with beasts of the worst kind. And beasts would be beasts. End of that story. My spelling is just fine, it's simply that posting from a smartphone is tedious and prone to errors. As for the image of Vericoin, what can you expect when the dev team has not done anything at all since launch and most of their "efforts" are concentrated on establishing widespread censorship and actually exercising it on a daily basis wherever they are allowed to? The beasts here don't help, of course, but the ill is endemic and deeply rooted in the origins. These guys, the devs, lack everything that is needed to carry on a project like this: Technical skills -we don't have any doubts in that department, do we?-, leadership and a clear, defined goal... let alone any semblance of a plan to achieve it. Even the tag "good guys" has already been destroyed (by them). So what's left is a great community -that will be ashamed of the "supporters" that post here- that is more than ready to jump off the boat as soon as the losses are somewhat diminished. So the image of Vericoin has been dirtied, and not precisely by those like myself that look at the project with detailed and specific criticism but -I repeat- by the devs themselves and, more specifically, their fully evidenced gross incompetence at every single level. Now, these are not "accusations" or "wild theories"... this is a real, specific action: When the theft happened, Patrick Nosker transferred from his personal account 200k VRC to Mintpal. Acknowledged and widely known fact. I have received, from the horse's mouth, an "explanation" that wouldn't convince a 2 year old, to justify such move. So why not try again and for everyone to see the extent of the ridiculousness of the "explanation". That would be "transparency", wouldn't it? It's nothing particularly "wild" and definitely not a "theory". It is also not an "accusation" since it is a not denied fact... why try to dissolve it like it never happened, like you are doing? Mudding the waters is the opposite of transparency. And you want transparency, don't you?
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Hey VRC holders: We have some stuff we're working on but many of our potential partners are insistent that the community stop attacking each other and acting so childish. So please, let's try to be civil here or we will be forced to close this unce. ored thread.
Oh then by all means hurry up and close it and proceed with those fabulous deals you are aceing with third parties such as moolah and coinsis.... since those have proven to be so beneficial for the project (I know, I know, by 2040 we'll begin to see how beneficial they are a what a visionary you were). We are quite literally forcing you to do what you have been so.long aching to do... go for it Nosker and, by the way, you can take the historic opportunity to tell everyone exactly what the purpose of the transfrr of you 200k vrc was. So there are no more doubts or confusing interpretations... You can also clarify that the dev team is not going to enter the vouching of new escrow businesses business.
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Ok I realize some of you guys are itching for a scam to bolster your victim arguments, but seriously. Reavon and I had nothing to do with the price negotiations between buyer and seller. Reavon offered to be escrow and I said he is a trusted member of the community. That is all, the cynicism is truly unfortunate. I predict it will be mostly gone in a couple months and all this negativity will be seen for what it is. A waste of time and energy. I am all for constructive criticism, but name calling, blatantly fabricated accusation and the like, is just plain immature and a waste of everyone's time.
I have already told uou many times every time you post anything here -and more so on the IRC that you control-- is inappropriate, negative for vericoin and, basically, shooting four own foot or worse. The related actions that took place on IRC are, again, proof of your innate proclivity to act inappropiately. You should never, ever, in the course of any transaction or proposed transaction between particulars "vouch" for anyone. Period. Escrow or any other part. No ifs, no buts. Not seriously, not in jest. If you are present during such public interchange it is your ETHICAL obligation to make the acquiring party fully aware of the current price of the coin in the open market though. That is, of course, if you have any sense of ethics at all... @Darkman: The community doesnt need and should not be involved in Juggernaut. But it should be INFORMED WHEN THE DEAL IS REACHED. You and the devs should escrow the amount agreed upon fully and it will still be the best investment any of you have ever made if dev4 delivers even a fraction of what you said he will deliver, so why asking now? And, again, is "boxxa" dev4?
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So Pike and Raevon -among others- were not just trying to perpetrate highway robbery on IRC but actually entering the "business" of providing escrow services to assist in the robbery. Well, well, welll... it is good that we wont ever again try to sell the "good guys" image... Now, about those 200k VRC Nosker rushed to Mintpal when the 8 million were robbed... what was again the purpose? Ah yes you told me it was to controll all buys... sounds legit.
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don't ask them questions cause they just take you in circles and its 100% pointless.
In some sick way, it's actually rather impressive that they're able to deflect any and all criticism of their own actions here on this thread while in turn completely disparaging VeriCoin, the devs and the rest of the VRC community. Two quick corrections bucko: AltcoinUK and me, two VERY different individuals. Second: i will never disparage the single asset this project has, its community. Mind you, the real community, those who read this thread but rarely post and that support the project to the extreme of staking around 20 million coins. Chapeau to those. The 4 Yahoos -you included- that call themsrlves "community" here are something (toxic) else entirely.
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The usual bullshit I was talking about... ^^^^ ^^^^
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Isn't it quite peculiar that the people that have me on "ignore" continue feeling the absolute need to inform ME of it?
Even more peculiar is the fact that I have long ignored completely -and continue to- any and all the usual crap they feel compelled to post.
Peculiar indeed...
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Ahh, the fun we have here with you Barabbas. You know I took a dump earlier and looked down at the pile of shit and thought of you. Coincidence? Maybe. You make this very enjoyable and entertaining. Thank you for your support.
I personally like sunsets better but everyone has its preferences...
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Barabbas, is there any point to all these novels and pages of text? Like, an exact point?
You have exactly 100 characters to explain your point! Go....
If you can not complete this task I will explain to you why...with a diagnoses
T R U T H. Short enough? Edit to add though: As in the opposite of your usual bullshit.
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Oh hey the price is going up. Did Barabbas mention vericoin world day or something?? LOL Uuh? Going up? I must have missed that "60 Minutes" but it looks to me at exactly the same price it was last night when I went to sleep... now, compared to the lows of the weekend, long weekend, it is up what, 5%? Stop the presses because such a move never, ever happens in crypto. But I am quite sure the cause of this "surge" resides in the constant activities of the dev team and the few vocal active cheerleaders such as you, as well as the rumors of yet another Nosker-hosted Hangout spectacular. By all means, continue bringing in the dough... Yeehaw, yeah I'm a cheerleader. Not so eloquent as you though and not nearly as active. Thankfully I do have a life. Oh I'm sorry do I sound deranged too? Oh it goes with the territory... cheerleaders, you know? Eloquence is not your most precious asset: It seems that dumbness is indeed a requirement instead. No you don't sound deranged... yet. Perhaps solidly on the way, I don't know... first symptom usually is an unrealistic perception of what prices are, so you tell me...
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Oh hey the price is going up. Did Barabbas mention vericoin world day or something?? LOL Uuh? Going up? I must have missed that "60 Minutes" but it looks to me at exactly the same price it was last night when I went to sleep... now, compared to the lows of the weekend, long weekend, it is up what, 5%? Stop the presses because such a move never, ever happens in crypto. But I am quite sure the cause of this "surge" resides in the constant activities of the dev team and the few vocal active cheerleaders such as you, as well as the rumors of yet another Nosker-hosted Hangout spectacular. By all means, continue bringing in the dough...
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And now, for reasons that you only know, you choose to apply the homophobic statements, that you yourself denounced earlier, to the clearly obsessed with eating dick illiterate individual, ah? Again, obviously not the sharpest knife in the kitchen... Why don't you re-read YOUR OWN POSTS of earlier today? You've over-analyzed, misinterpreted, and twisted words to fit your own agenda once again. I am not applying any such statements and I still denounce the behavior that we saw earlier. I simply find it interesting that, out of all of the things that have been thrown back and forth over the past couple of days, you've latched on to the "eating dick" statements. If his posts had been filled with "FU!!" instead of "Eat a dick!!" would you be equally focused on pointing out his apparent obsession with fornication? I don't have any agenda, you on the other hand, do. And I twist nothing, I clarify who of the two beasts is a homophobe and who is an illiterate idiot obsessed with the idea of eating dick... which you seemed to have upside down as per your post on the matter.... uuuh, another thing -of the many- that you seem to not have quite clear is what "fornication" actually means: It is NOT, nor has anything to do with eating dick, a practice commonly called "fellatio" that, I repeat, has nothing to do with fornication. Oh and yes, it calls the general people's attention way more when you post a half dozen times "Eat dick!!!" after gone completely mental than if you instead post "FU!!" or even the more descriptive "Fuck You!!!"... it is for the graphic nature of the of the words and the most common usage, in the case of the second. But since none of this serves any discernible purpose that I can see, may I ask what is it that you find "interesting" about it? Should you be curious or otherwise interested in my sexual orientation, for whatever reason, you can just ask...
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As for Elmer, no matter how hard your deranged mind works, you continue coming up with stupider and stupider conclusions... Now, me as a "victim"? Paraphrasing the great John Wayne, "that'll be the day!"
Feigning innocence: Manipulator tries to suggest that any harm done was unintentional or that they did not do something that they were accused of. Manipulator may put on a look of surprise or indignation. This tactic makes the victim question his or her own judgment and possibly his own sanity. Feigning confusion: Manipulator tries to play dumb by pretending he or she does not know what the victim is talking about or is confused about an important issue brought to his or her attention. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_manipulation#According_to_SimonWell dear child, your "sanity" is not in question here, you are, obviously, totally deranged. As for any and all harm done by my posts it is fully, 100% intentional, no surprise nor indignation, don't flatter yourself. Confusion? Not likely: It is painfully obvious with what kind of beasts we are dealing here.
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I am just ignoring an illiterate idiot obsessed with eating dick, but whatever serves your deranged purpose, feel 100% free... For now at least. Wow. My gay friends use "eat a dick!" interchangeably with "FU!" so the phrase never struck me as being homophobic. Your reaction to it is certainly interesting, tho. And now, for reasons that you only know, you choose to apply the homophobic statements, that you yourself denounced earlier, to the clearly obsessed with eating dick illiterate individual, ah? Again, obviously not the sharpest knife in the kitchen... Why don't you re-read YOUR OWN POSTS of earlier today? More clear: homophobic beast #1 .- the guy that was trying to present AltcoinUK as gay. beast #2, illiterate idiot obsessed with eating dick .- the other one. Yes they are interchangeable in their condition of full beasts consumed by hatred, but their obsessions seem to be similar only in what refers to male genital organs. As for Elmer, no matter how hard your deranged mind works, you continue coming up with stupider and stupider conclusions... Now, me as a "victim"? Paraphrasing the great John Wayne, "that'll be the day!"
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... (tl;dr)
... good job avoiding most of the valid points though "But perhaps no behaviors are as frustrating to someone trying to elicit some degree of accountability from another as are the tactics of evasion and diversion. A moving target is hard to hit. If you try to confront an issue head on, a person who wants to manipulate you will do their best to side-step the issue. Evading a matter of central concern is a great way not only to dodge responsibility, but also to keep the light of illumination from shining on the behavior needing attention." http://counsellingresource.com/features/2009/03/05/evasion-and-diversion/I am just ignoring an illiterate idiot obsessed with eating dick, but whatever serves your deranged purpose, feel 100% free... For now at least. Wow.
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