[ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released

[ereborltc]

not everyone goes to irc the majority of people come here for their information... if they don't agree with shutting this thread down then i would expect the information/voting etc. to continue to be posted here...

[altcoinUK]

That's DO IT! I will write up the paper work!

Good, you do what you gotta do - but I trust my US based legal representatives' "write up" skills when it comes to proceed with a subpoena in your legal jurisdiction.

But here are the 1 million dollar questions for you :-)))

1) As this whole thing is getting inconvenient, you IRC boys want we believe that the deal, which was facilitated by EffectsToCause, the deal that looked like very much to any sane user an escrow to rip-off an inexperienced buyer, you're saying, that in fact it wasn't an escrow, but it was a joke. All right, if you - a respected IRC users - knew it was a joke and the buyer was a scammer without money, then why did you offer me the very same buyer Herman's 132 BTC 2 hours later, did you try to scam me?

2) Or if you indeed believed that the deal is real (and in this case you must agree that Herman was being rip-off by EffectsToCause), so you offered me Herman by assuming that he is a genuine buyer, then why do you worry about Barabbas here, and why don't you worry that the lead developer EffectsToCause was trying to get 132 BTC from an inexperienced buyers by facilitating an escrow deal?

[effectsToCause]

Ok I realize some of you guys are itching for a scam to bolster your victim arguments,  but seriously. Reavon and I had nothing to do with the price negotiations between buyer and seller. Reavon offered to be escrow and I said he is a trusted member of the community. That is all, the cynicism is truly unfortunate. I predict it will be mostly gone in a couple months and all this negativity will be seen for what it is. A waste of time and energy. I am all for constructive criticism, but name calling, blatantly fabricated accusation and the like, is just plain immature and a waste of everyone's time.

[MAD945]

That's DO IT! I will write up the paper work!

Good, you do what you gotta do - but I trust my US based legal representatives' "write up" skills when it comes to proceed with a subpoena in your legal jurisdiction.

But here are the 1 million dollar questions for you :-)))

1) As this whole thing getting inconvenient, you IRC boys want we believe that the deal, which was facilitated by EffectsToCause, the deal that looked like very much to any sane user an escrow to rip-off an inexperienced buyer, you're saying, that in fact it wasn't an escrow, but it was a joke. All right, if you - a respected IRC users - knew it was a joke and the buyer was a scammer without money, then why did you offer me the very same buyer Herman's 132 BTC 2 hours later, did you try to scam me?

2) Or if you indeed believed that the deal is real (and in this case you must agree that Herman was being rip-off by EffectsToCause), so you offered me Herman by assuming that he is a genuine buyer, then why do you worry about Barabbas here, and why don't you worry that the lead developer EffectsToCause were trying to get 132 BTC from an inexperienced buyers by facilitating an escrow deal?

I was in contact with HermanW on IRC and I offered to try and find him a buyer, I told him to do his research before he did any buying.  I asked you to send me a pic of you wallet to confirm funds. Which you quickly decided not to do. That was the end of our interaction, now how was that a scam? Connecting two parties is not scamming someone. Holding escrow for two parties on an agreed price is not scamming. It's the responsibility of the seller and the buyer to do their research before a transaction. You should know this if you are a business man...as you say.

[Shinraven]

So Pike and Raevon -among others- were not just trying to perpetrate highway robbery on IRC but actually entering the "business" of providing escrow services to assist in the robbery. Well, well, welll... it is good that we wont ever again try to sell the "good guys" image... Now, about those 200k VRC Nosker rushed to Mintpal when the 8 million were robbed... what was again the purpose? Ah yes you told me it was to controll all buys... sounds legit.

       

Aspergers?

come on now...that's not nice, barabbas has feelings you know  

[ScottAllyn]

Reavon and I had nothing to do with the price negotiations between buyer and seller. Reavon offered to be escrow and I said he is a trusted member of the community. That is all, the cynicism is truly unfortunate.

Lol. And that has somehow turned into you facilitating a scam on some innocent buyer. Please... that is some silly shit.

There's also a big fly in the ointment.

AltcoinUK is claiming that this "buyer" is an innocent victim who somehow had no idea how much VeriCoin was actually worth at the time. Prior to Reavon offering to Escrow the trade (and prior to effects saying that Reavon is legit), this "buyer" posted a screenshot from the VRC page on MintPal. How could he not know the current price of VRC when he's taking screenshots of it? In this screenshot, he had plugged the numbers into the buy side (400K VRC @ 0.00033... 132 BTC). In order to do that, he had to actually type over the current value of the coin to put that 0.00033 into the text field.

When things later turned sour, this "buyer" claimed that he hadn't checked the exchanges for the price. He seemed to have forgotten the MintPal screenshot.

I don't buy for a second that this guy didn't know what the current price was. He was just playing along, waiting for an opportunity to run his scam... or bail if the opportunity didn't present itself.

[ereborltc]

Ok I realize some of you guys are itching for a scam to bolster your victim arguments,  but seriously. Reavon and I had nothing to do with the price negotiations between buyer and seller. Reavon offered to be escrow and I said he is a trusted member of the community. That is all, the cynicism is truly unfortunate. I predict it will be mostly gone in a couple months and all this negativity will be seen for what it is. A waste of time and energy. I am all for constructive criticism, but name calling, blatantly fabricated accusation and the like, is just plain immature and a waste of everyone's time.

no one here takes altcoinUK seriously anymore...no need for an explanation everyone knows the story was twisted to make you look like a scammer, as for the name calling ,your right but this has gone too far and I'm positive you read every single post... everyone has a breaking point and we all tried to stay civil but this has gone to a lvl that is irreversible and unfortunately some of us broke (me included) and not proud of it... i realize your against the notion of shutting down this thread , but if its gonna stay open then we shouldn't be diverted to get informed through other sources like irc or other threads, but should have a continuous flow of updates and information to continue being posted here, cause keeping it open for nothing but a war zone(which is what it has become) is completely useless.. let the haters go open a vrc haters club thead...i know you believe in a couple months this will resort itself ,but i think it'll just get worse...

thanks though for making it clear for others

[sluppy]

Ok I realize some of you guys are itching for a scam to bolster your victim arguments,  but seriously. Reavon and I had nothing to do with the price negotiations between buyer and seller. Reavon offered to be escrow and I said he is a trusted member of the community. That is all, the cynicism is truly unfortunate. I predict it will be mostly gone in a couple months and all this negativity will be seen for what it is. A waste of time and energy. I am all for constructive criticism, but name calling, blatantly fabricated accusation and the like, is just plain immature and a waste of everyone's time.

no one here takes altcoinUK seriously anymore...no need for an explanation everyone knows the story was twisted to make you look like a scammer, as for the name calling ,your right but this has gone too far and I'm positive you read every single post... everyone has a breaking point and we all tried to stay civil but this has gone to a lvl that is irreversible and unfortunately some of us broke (me included) and not proud of it... i realize your against the notion of shutting down this thread , but if its gonna stay open then we shouldn't be diverted to get informed through other sources like irc or other threads, but should have a continuous flow of updates and information to continue being posted here, cause keeping it open for nothing but a war zone(which is what it has become) is completely useless.. let the haters go open a vrc haters club thead...i know you believe in a couple months this will resort itself ,but i think it'll just get worse...

thanks though for making it clear for others

well leave the thread open for all i care but make a New one (where is that btw they said its allmost ready) thats Is moderated.
Again the page is filled by the trolls and comments on what they said .. Its enough .. Give me a Clean thread.
B&A can keep fighting here with everyone that wants to.

[altcoinUK]

That's DO IT! I will write up the paper work!

Good, you do what you gotta do - but I trust my US based legal representatives' "write up" skills when it comes to proceed with a subpoena in your legal jurisdiction.

But here are the 1 million dollar questions for you :-)))

1) As this whole thing getting inconvenient, you IRC boys want we believe that the deal, which was facilitated by EffectsToCause, the deal that looked like very much to any sane user an escrow to rip-off an inexperienced buyer, you're saying, that in fact it wasn't an escrow, but it was a joke. All right, if you - a respected IRC users - knew it was a joke and the buyer was a scammer without money, then why did you offer me the very same buyer Herman's 132 BTC 2 hours later, did you try to scam me?

2) Or if you indeed believed that the deal is real (and in this case you must agree that Herman was being rip-off by EffectsToCause), so you offered me Herman by assuming that he is a genuine buyer, then why do you worry about Barabbas here, and why don't you worry that the lead developer EffectsToCause were trying to get 132 BTC from an inexperienced buyers by facilitating an escrow deal?

I was in contact with HermanW on IRC and I offered to try and find him a buyer, I told him to do his research before he did any buying.  I asked you to send me a pic of you wallet to confirm funds. Which you quickly decided not to do. That was the end of our interaction, now how was that a scam? Connecting two parties is not scamming someone. Holding escrow for two parties on an agreed price is not scamming. It's the responsibility of the seller and the buyer to do their research before a transaction. You should know this if you are a business man...as you say.

Hmmmm ... I wanted to be a gentleman and don't disclose what we discussed in private, but since you brought here our private conversation ... here we go ... you said in private that you "have a serious buyer" which implies No. 2 is the case, and therefore you thought that Herman is indeed legit and consequently you must assumed at that time that it was not a joke but a real deal on the IRC. If you thought at the time that Herman is a "serious buyer" as you said to me, don't you think that the rip-off such serious buyer with the very assistance of the lead Vericoin developer and having our German Verileader as an escrow is a shameful act?

[altcoinUK]

So Pike and Raevon -among others- were not just trying to perpetrate highway robbery on IRC but actually entering the "business" of providing escrow services to assist in the robbery. Well, well, welll... it is good that we wont ever again try to sell the "good guys" image... Now, about those 200k VRC Nosker rushed to Mintpal when the 8 million were robbed... what was again the purpose? Ah yes you told me it was to controll all buys... sounds legit.

Precisely, that was the case and no other way could the event interpreted by any investors who just logged in and joined the conversation, like my friend did it by visiting the channel to see if there's any new info about DEV4. As EffectsToCause admitted already, he had assigned an admin role to Reavon to present him as a trusted escrow by saying "Reavon is legit" (at 21:39 UK time), and then the rip-off deal was on its way.

One of the most shocking elements in this event is the arrogance of EffectsToCause, how he reacted to the few poor buggers that pointed out this is a rip-off and asked please stop it: he kicked-off the complaining users from the IRC channel instead of apologizing and make clear that it was a joke ... but suddenly the explanation is, that the escrow deal was an innocent joke.

I think you are right, the "good guys" image is not applicable any more.

[barabbas]

Ok I realize some of you guys are itching for a scam to bolster your victim arguments,  but seriously. Reavon and I had nothing to do with the price negotiations between buyer and seller. Reavon offered to be escrow and I said he is a trusted member of the community. That is all, the cynicism is truly unfortunate. I predict it will be mostly gone in a couple months and all this negativity will be seen for what it is. A waste of time and energy. I am all for constructive criticism, but name calling, blatantly fabricated accusation and the like, is just plain immature and a waste of everyone's time.

I have already told uou many times every time you post anything here -and more so on the IRC that you control-- is inappropriate, negative for vericoin and, basically, shooting four own foot or worse. The related actions that took place on IRC are, again, proof of your innate proclivity to act inappropiately. You should never, ever, in the course of any transaction or proposed transaction between particulars "vouch" for anyone. Period. Escrow or any other part. No ifs, no buts. Not seriously, not in jest. If you are present during such public interchange it is your ETHICAL obligation to make the acquiring party fully aware of the current price of the coin in the open market though.

That is, of course, if you have any sense of ethics at all...

@Darkman: The community doesnt need and should not be involved in Juggernaut. But it should be INFORMED WHEN THE DEAL IS REACHED. You and the devs should escrow the amount agreed upon fully and it will still be the best investment any of you have ever made if dev4 delivers even a fraction of what you said he will deliver, so why asking now? And, again, is "boxxa" dev4?

[MAD945]

That's DO IT! I will write up the paper work!

Good, you do what you gotta do - but I trust my US based legal representatives' "write up" skills when it comes to proceed with a subpoena in your legal jurisdiction.

But here are the 1 million dollar questions for you :-)))

1) As this whole thing getting inconvenient, you IRC boys want we believe that the deal, which was facilitated by EffectsToCause, the deal that looked like very much to any sane user an escrow to rip-off an inexperienced buyer, you're saying, that in fact it wasn't an escrow, but it was a joke. All right, if you - a respected IRC users - knew it was a joke and the buyer was a scammer without money, then why did you offer me the very same buyer Herman's 132 BTC 2 hours later, did you try to scam me?

2) Or if you indeed believed that the deal is real (and in this case you must agree that Herman was being rip-off by EffectsToCause), so you offered me Herman by assuming that he is a genuine buyer, then why do you worry about Barabbas here, and why don't you worry that the lead developer EffectsToCause were trying to get 132 BTC from an inexperienced buyers by facilitating an escrow deal?

I was in contact with HermanW on IRC and I offered to try and find him a buyer, I told him to do his research before he did any buying.  I asked you to send me a pic of you wallet to confirm funds. Which you quickly decided not to do. That was the end of our interaction, now how was that a scam? Connecting two parties is not scamming someone. Holding escrow for two parties on an agreed price is not scamming. It's the responsibility of the seller and the buyer to do their research before a transaction. You should know this if you are a business man...as you say.

Hmmmm ... I wanted to be a gentleman and don't disclose what we discussed in private, but since you brought here our private conversation ... here we go ... you said in private that you "have a serious buyer" which implies No. 2 is the case, and therefore you thought that Herman is indeed legit and consequently you must assumed at that time that it was not a joke but a real deal on the IRC. If you thought at the time that Herman is a "serious buyer" as you said to me, don't you think that the rip-off such serious buyer with the very assistance of the lead Vericoin developer and having our German Verileader as an escrow is a shameful act?

Hmmmm...you took our private conversation public my friend not I. So much for your moral code...


You've just witnessed what happens when you don't unplug from the internet. Pure paranoia and delusions...what you have seen here is AltcoinUK and Barabbas going full retard!

[pnosker]

Hey VRC holders: We have some stuff we're working on but many of our potential partners are insistent that the community stop attacking each other and acting so childish. So please, let's try to be civil here or we will be forced to close this uncensored thread.

[MAD945]

Ok I realize some of you guys are itching for a scam to bolster your victim arguments,  but seriously. Reavon and I had nothing to do with the price negotiations between buyer and seller. Reavon offered to be escrow and I said he is a trusted member of the community. That is all, the cynicism is truly unfortunate. I predict it will be mostly gone in a couple months and all this negativity will be seen for what it is. A waste of time and energy. I am all for constructive criticism, but name calling, blatantly fabricated accusation and the like, is just plain immature and a waste of everyone's time.

I have already told uou many times every time you post anything here -and more so on the IRC that you control-- is inappropriate, negative for vrricoin and, basically, shooting four own foot or worse. The related actions that took place on IRC are,again, proof of your innate proclivity to act inappropiately. You shoukd nevrr, ever, in the course of any transaction or proposed transaction beteeen particulard "vouch" for anyone. Prriod. Escrow or any other psrt. No ifd, no buts. Not seriously, not in jest. If you sre present during such public intrrchange it id your ETHICAL obligation to make the acquiring party fully aware of the current price of the coin in the open market though.

That is, of course, if you have any sense of ethics at all...

@Darkman: The community doesnt need and should not be involved in Juggernaut. But it should be INFORMED WHEN THE DEAL IS REACHED. You and the devs should escrow the amount agreed upon fully and it will still be the best investment any of you have ever made if dev4 delivers even a fraction of what you said he will deliver, so why asking now? And, again, is "boxxa" dev4?

But Aspergers?

[ereborltc]

So Pike and Raevon -among others- were not just trying to perpetrate highway robbery on IRC but actually entering the "business" of providing escrow services to assist in the robbery. Well, well, welll... it is good that we wont ever again try to sell the "good guys" image... Now, about those 200k VRC Nosker rushed to Mintpal when the 8 million were robbed... what was again the purpose? Ah yes you told me it was to controll all buys... sounds legit.

Precisely, that was the case and no other way could the event interpreted by any investors who just logged in and joined the conversation, like my friend did it by visiting the channel to see if there's any new info about DEV4. As EffectsToCause admitted already, he had assigned an admin role to Reavon to present him as a trusted escrow by saying "Reavon is legit" (at 21:39 UK time), and then the rip-off deal was on its way.

One of the most shocking elements in this event is the arrogance of EffectsToCause, how he reacted to the few poor buggers that pointed out this is a rip-off and asked please stop it: he kicked-off the complaining users from the IRC channel instead of apologizing and make clear that it was a joke ... but suddenly the explanation is, that the escrow deal was an innocent joke.

I think you are right, the "good guys" image is not applicable any more.

perfect so u proved to yourself vericoin devs are scammers!
u done?
bye bye!!??

[aragoon]

United.....stand
Divided.....fall.

New thread please.

[ereborltc]

Hey VRC holders: We have some stuff we're working on but many of our potential partners are insistent that the community stop attacking each other and acting so childish. So please, let's try to be civil here or we will be forced to close this uncensored thread.

i want the thread closed even though i never agree with that in this case i do... but i will not contribute or answer anymore to barabbas and altcoinUKs posts, lets see how this turns out... would be nice to keep it open if we can all just stop the madness...

[Shinraven]

Hey VRC holders: We have some stuff we're working on but many of our potential partners are insistent that the community stop attacking each other and acting so childish. So please, let's try to be civil here or we will be forced to close this uncensored thread.

Agreed !

This is really becoming childish

[MAD945]

Hey VRC holders: We have some stuff we're working on but many of our potential partners are insistent that the community stop attacking each other and acting so childish. So please, let's try to be civil here or we will be forced to close this uncensored thread.

i want the thread closed even though i never agree with that in this case i do... but i will not contribute or answer anymore to barabbas and altcoinUKs posts, lets see how this turns out... would be nice to keep it open if we can all just stop the madness...

Pat...please close this thread and direct to the new forum. For the sanity of all...

This community should not be held hostage by these two individuals

[barabbas]

Hey VRC holders: We have some stuff we're working on but many of our potential partners are insistent that the community stop attacking each other and acting so childish. So please, let's try to be civil here or we will be forced to close this unce. ored thread.

Oh then by all means hurry up and close it and proceed with those fabulous deals you are aceing with third parties such as moolah and coinsis.... since those have proven to be so beneficial for the project (I know, I know, by 2040  we'll begin to see how beneficial they are a what a visionary you were). We are quite literally  forcing you to do what you have been so.long aching to do... go for it Nosker and, by the way, you can take the historic opportunity to tell everyone exactly what the purpose of the transfrr of you 200k vrc was.

So there are no more doubts or confusing interpretations...

You can also clarify that the dev team is not going to enter the vouching of new escrow businesses business.