Expected. It's because we changed the way it retargets to fix a major break in the chain back in May. Anything before that tends to screw up a couple times on sync. Once all those blocks are indexed, there's no errors.

We should start a wiki for this sort of thing Sorry for the scare, but it's not a problem.

This is one of those things that religious people do either out of willful or actual ignorance. I'll admit it, it straight up pisses me off. If you do NOT understand a term, LEARN.

Theory does NOT mean in science what it means in common usage. Science operates basically under two axioms. One, that all things CAN BE known. (not ARE known). Two, that one needs a framework to test postulates to best describe known facts.

Until such time as a thing has been proven far in excess of what is necessary to convict for murder, it is NOT theory. It's a postulate. Even if it APPEARS to be correct, such as the Causal Order Postulate, which has remained a postulate for decades because it cannot be properly reconciled with existing theory.

A THEORY, by contrast, is that which best describes the known facts, has been reviewed, tested, reviewed again, and tested again ad nauseam until so little of it remains speculative that it is deemed to be the best description of the facts at hand AND has been rigorously tested. In the scientific method, we do not test to PROVE a postulate, we test to DISPROVE. Every test is designed to make the postulate fail. When all tests that can be conceived have failed to disprove a postulate, it becomes part of the general theory of that particular discipline. If additional tests can be thought up, and they are frequently, they are undertaken. Once it's accepted as theory, additional questions do not make it leave the theory UNLESS they disprove all or part of the existing theory, again, with extreme rigor.

By contrast, Religion accepts as truth so called "holy writ" and if they test at all, test with extreme bias towards what is already believed, do not do so under peer review, and frequently hide or distort the known facts in order to perpetuate the dogma.

That made me laugh. For those unaware of modern historical conventions:

Old Money (I love that!)
 B.C. Before Christ. Misnomer even biblically... but relates to the alleged birth of christ.
 A.D. Anno Domini. Latin for "In the year of our Lord".

Modern Convention

CE Common Era. Corresponds with A.D.
BCE Before common Era. Corresponds with B.C.

We on it I met the gentleman who is working on that at San Diego Inside Bitcoins. He was on the same panel. Very interesting guy, and very interesting product. It could go hand-in-glove with our system to both system's mutual benefit.

so..
because I disagree totally with the entire perversion of the system, I should participate and lend it legitimacy? Because I was born here, I should automatically bend the knee to rulers who make King George look like a saint?

I think not. If you vote, you can't bitch. And I will continue to bitch, subvert, debunk, satirize, and hold in contempt all of those so-called "public servants". I used to be very heavily involved in "policital reform". In that time, I met about half of the Democratic leadership and all of the republican leadership. Regardless of their public face, one thing is true of all of them.

They want power like a drowning man wants air. They do not give a shit about anything else. The only check they have is that they KNOW if they push too far, too fast, there WILL be a new revolution. So they push incrementally and tell you to vote for 'em.

Meanwhile, at age 47, I live in a country that is far more like Weimar Germany than the USofA that I grew up in. The egregious abuse of power and the obsequious cop/soldier worship that passes for the public opinion these days sickens me. It is not in any way something I can recognize as American. I didn't sign up for this, and I sure as hell will not support the descent into naked tyranny that I have observed for the past 47 years. No chance at all. One doesn't become an anarchist at my age out of fashion or some passing fancy.

The root of America's troubles with other nations is that we have lost our way. We were the shining beacon of mercantile trade and NEUTRALITY. Switzerland now holds the beacon of neutrality, and are prosperous. Our "wise men" have led us into one foreign entanglement and boondoggle after another, making enemies we have no need of and friends we have even less need of for decades, and we are reaping what those votes have sown. Do you REALLY think those countries shouting "death to USA" would be singing that tune if our "leaders" hadn't been fucking with them for 69 years? Hell no. They spent centuries slaughtering each other, and would likely have merrily continued on that path if not for the bullshit spewing forth from the 10 square mile foreign nation that rules us.

Our domestic enemies are far more insidious than all of the foreign ones combined. They know exactly what they are doing to us, and they don't care. They view us as easily disposed of property, and every vote you cast affirms that belief.

You'd have to cut off their communication somehow. Aside from that, agreed.


If  voting could change anything, they'd make it illegal. In 1774, the vote was with guns. By 1776, the politicians figured out that they couldn't talk their way out of the inevitable change. By 1781, King George figured it out. It only took ten years for the bastards to turn the newly independent states into a devolving republic.

When they control the choices and the dialectic, which they do, then nothing changes save the amount of liberty we lose every single day. It is currently IMPOSSIBLE to live in the United States of America, Inc, without being in violation of some statute that can be defined as a felony. Secret courts abound, such as family court and traffic court, both of which deny you your basic right to a trial by jury. Cops kill with impunity. Voting does nothing.

If that were to abolish all "public" offices, I'd be interested. The Repugnicans are no worse than the Democraps. Nor any better. Well, perhaps the R's are worse in one way, they are more into war (publicly).

Here's how it works.

The Republicans operate to steal as much as they possibly can from those who work in order to kill brown people and build skyscrapers. OTOH, the Democrats operate to steal as much as they possibly can from those who work to feed those who will not work and build indoctrination centers.

Note I said WILL not work, not cannot work. Neither party gives a shit about them.

Vote no in all elections.

yeah. Two different creation accounts, one chapter apart. That's in the first three pages.

Thanks for chiming in. I'm done with this joker. As I'm sure you know, and he ought to, theory in science doesn't mean a guess. BADecker, this is for you.

In scientific methodology a theory is the description of known facts that best describes them, and makes predictions based on those facts. Unlike "holy writ", theory is subject to constant criticism, and constant revision. As to the age of the earth being no more than 25,000 years, that is ludicrous. You may very well want to examine your sources. Modern humanity might be older than that.

The theory of evolution, thanks to people like you, is the single most tested theory in the history of science. Yes, I am fully aware of how it's caricatured  by religious leaders, but that doesn't change the facts or the research one iota. By comparison, the "law" that you pretend to know something about, Newton's third, is pure speculation. (It's not, I'm just pointing out the amount of testing vs. evolutionary theory.)

FYI, evolution does not deal with the origin of life, which while it outs your religion as false, does not in any way prove or disprove the existence of a grand deity. Such a being could have set evolution in motion. Or it could have happened by natural processes. In 2009, a study showed the beginnings of pre-animate matter in an environment similar to that of early earth. Not life as we know it, not even truly living, just a precursor. Proteins were formed in an organic process in simulated conditions similar to the beginnings of life on earth. If it can be done in a lab simply by recreating known conditions, this implies that life, via abiogenesis, is not just possible, but likely and common throughout the universe. Again, this neither proves nor disproves any god, it simply shows what's possible.

Religion offers dead certainty on all things without examination. Only fools are certain. Me, I'm not certain of much of anything. I am certain that my mind can be changed by HARD FACTS, even when those facts point in a direction I don't like. When I was young, and certain, religion was a bit of a comfort to me, but also a burden, since according to your beloved scripture, I was not to EVER question ANYTHING biblical, regardless of whether it made sense. As I grew older, I found that more burdensome. I have since come to the conclusion that a thing that cannot withstand scrutiny is false. Period. Religious leaders of every stripe have known since they started the cults that they could not withstand scrutiny. So they put things into their holy works like "you're going to hell if you question this dogma". And it fucking WORKS. On the weak minded. If you think the vast majority of the clergy believe the shit they teach, you're quite deluded. Jimmy Swaggart was not an anomaly, he just got caught.

You keep saying this as if it is somehow self evident and writ in stone.

It's not.

Your religion cannot be reconciled with evolution. Not the theory, the fact. It cannot be reconciled with the actual age of the earth. it's predictions would show that all animals are distinct, with no overlap, yet we share 99 percent of our DNA with Chimpanzees, and even more with Bonobos. It makes claims as to how AND WHERE man originated, that are false. Civilization indeed seems to have started in the Euphrates valley, but the origins of humanity are much older, and in Africa.

Also, earlier, you made a statement that the bible holds no contradictions, and does not command murders. Yet, according to the "new testament", the old law is never to pass away and ALL commandments of god are "right". This in itself is contradictory, but how about this? According to the old testament, there both is and is not an afterlife (Elisha consults Elijah's spirit, yet psalms states that the dead are dust and conscious of nothing). The new Testament pretty much is in favor of an afterlife, but not totally.

Further, throughout Exodus, the Israelites are commanded to put entire populations to the sword, leaving not a man, woman, or suckling infant alive. Demonstrate to me how the FUCK that does not command murder. Oh, and what evil did those infants commit?

I mainly respond to you because there is an audience. You mischaracterize things in scientific theory, KNOWING FULL WELL THAT YOU ARE DOING SO. If you cannot offer the extraordinary proofs that you're extraordinary claims require, that's ok. But to lie about it, that is not ok.

On wallet synching issues: Yeah, I'm still having issues. I think I got some corrupt data in my copy of the blockchain. All the "easy" fixes failed, so I'm currently resynching from zero. Tek synchs almost as slow as bitcoin, so it'll be a day or two before I know, but so far it's synching smoothly.

Since all of you who posted blocks you were stuck at or timelines (20 hrs, etc) were different, I think the issue is probably local for all of us. I was nearly 2 weeks behind.

I'm considering putting up another version of my wallet on a droplet or something like, so I can compare performance. It is quite likely that my local problems come about from having too much going on in my machine

As a layman, I'm pretty well informed, and have not seen this so-called proof. I've seen a lot of bunk science from "young earth creationists". So, gimme links. As always, I'm willing to consider other points of view.

However, what I was getting at, very specifically, is that you used the modern definition of atheist (which I accept) to make an argument and refute it. That argument was predicated on NOT ACKNOWLEDGING that part of that definition is a simple disbelief, not a dogmatic "there is no god". I work from the "the proofs are insufficient for such a bold claim" ideation. One cannot disprove a negative.

I will state, AGAIN, that if there IS an all powerful deity, it doesn't care to be worshipped. This, too, is based on logic. If there is an all powerful deity, and it wishes to be worshipped, there could only possibly be ONE religion. Because if the deity is all powerful, it can EASILY make it's wishes known, and if it wishes to be worshipped, it would do so. The fact that there in existence literally thousands of ideations of "gods" proves beyond any reasonable doubt that they are all false.

This of course does not directly address the question of whether or not there are gods. Because if there are, they are hiding their existence, and have structured the universe in such a way that it CAN BE understood based solely on observed phenomena, and those observed phenomena generally have a less fantastical explanation than "god did it".

The understanding of the physical universe at the times of the writings of the various "holy books" was, to put it politely, dismal. That they got a few things right with almost no rigor is nothing short of amazing, but it does not make the overall paradigm work. Most of it does not. For instance, most "learned" men at the time of the writings of the New Testament still believed the earth to be held up by four pillars on the back of a turtle, and that the stars were holes in something called the "firmament". Better understanding via observation and testing (the beginnings of what has been formalized as the scientific method) proved beyond any doubt that this widely held ideation was just plain wrong. With every advance in scientific knowledge, the "god did it" argument got pushed further into the background until there was only a small amount of gaps. Which the religious seize on like a drowning man will grab a stick.

disbelief is NOT a system of belief. Skepticism, however, is. I am a skeptic. On damn near everything. I hold to Mark Twain's observation that Faith is the belief in what you know ain't so.

When it comes to Christianity, it is so self contradictory within it's own books, leaving alone the sects, that it cannot possibly be inspired by an all powerful deity. Unless, of course, that deity is completely mad. I suppose that's possible, but hardly cause for admiration or worship. You cannot, for instance, simultaneously condemn and command murder. Yet the bible does so, and that's peripheral. The PRIMARY DOCTRINE of christianity is that it's perfectly legit to kill an innocent man to "atone" for the crimes of the guilty. Try that one in a courtroom some day.

Further, within the Christian scriptures it says that churches and places of worship are vain, as god cannot be seen or heard in such places. Rather, and this one isn't a paraphrase, "The Kingdom of God is within you". Yet a very pious group of men who made that connection were hunted down, forced into a mountain retreat, besiged, and killed at Montsegur in 1284 by other very pious men. Both sides were utterly convinced that they were right. This is the sort of crap that strong religious belief breeds. Divisions that need not exist, and in many cases throughout history have led to bloodshed on a massive scale. That Islam is now convulsing in the same way is not surprising. Organized religion, regardless of it's pantheon, is based upon control of the masses. It will fight for that control at ANY cost, conceding only when not doing so would utterly destroy the organization. Christianity reached that point about 150 years ago. If the timeline remains similar, that means Islam has about 550 years before they stop believing it ok to kill for the faith. Given modern communication, I suspect it won't take that long.

For this to be true, you would have to know a number of things about me that you actually should have gleaned by now.

So, I'll have a brief stab at it.

One, I never said that I believe there is no god, I said I don't believe in any particular god. Your set calls my position "weak" atheism, while more secular people tend to refer to it as "negative" atheism. Now, the so called "strong" or "positive" atheists, yes, I believe you could classify that as a religion, as they strongly believe that there is not, was not, and cannot be a god. Despite the labels, theirs is the weaker position as opposed to mine, as mine is simply based on what can be proven, whereas they are doing exactly what theists are doing: Stating the unprovable as a categoric truth.

To my knowledge, I've never made that error, and if I have, it was poor wording as it's certainly not my position.

Two. That I "want" there to be no god. This is one of the biggest and most used strawmen in Theistic Apologetics. In my experience, it is true perhaps one time out of a million, and I'm being generous. I think that most of us would LIKE to believe that there's some all-powerful being looking after us. It would be very nice. In my own case, I spent well over a decade trying very hard to prove Christianity, as losing one's lifelong faith is painful. Unfortunately, and you too will experience this if you can get past your will against thought, the deeper down that particular rabbit hole you go, the more you find the untruths. I've never said that I can prove or disprove the God Concept itself. Disproving Christianity, and pretty much any other formal relgion, that is frankly a High School philosophy project. It's not even difficult. One cannot, of course, overcome willful cognitive dissonance, but it must make you uncomfortable, no?

Three. Yes, I'm god. When I close my eyes, I am King of All I survey. Seriously, dude? You actually expect anyone to buy that tripe? It's not even a particularly clever ad-hominem.

Unfortunately, not at all, as I run Ubuntu linux. But it's good advice for Windows, and probably useful for others. Not sure it would apply to this particular problem, anyway, but you never know. I tried launching it with it being the only service running other than my basic OS related stuff, no change, also tried deleting peers.dat and getting some known good peers from somebody with a synched wallet. That made it launch faster, but it still didn't go past the block it's stuck on.


Hadn't thought of that! There are coins in stake, that could very well be the issue. I'll get back to you after I try it

Now, it seems to be my turn to have synching issues. I'm stuck about five days back. The usual voodoo hasn't worked, and I'd like to NOT bootstrap if I can avoid it. Any ideas prior to a full bootstrap?

Only a religious person could consider an atheist to be religious. While an atheist may indeed hold some religious beliefs (religion, religare, to bind (oneself to a creed)), the term itself comes from religious people. We just don't have a better label. Look at what the word actually means. a, without. theism, a belief in specific gods. Or literally, without gods. What an individual atheist believes regarding a great many things is not in any way associated with the label atheist. It tells you what we DON'T believe, not what we do. A christian, by that label, likely believes that Yeheshua Ben Jacob was a real person, conceived by a spirit creature to be an Avatar of Yahweh, that said person made a huge ruckus from about 1 to 33 AD, and was crucified by Jews, rather than Romans. My knowledge of Islam is far less than my knowledge of Christianity, but I can posit from a person identifying themselves as a Muslim that they believe that Mohammed was Allah's last prophet, and that the Q'uran is an inspired book (in the spiritual sense).

Since I self identify as an atheist, all you really know of me from that, prior to interaction, is that I believe in three less gods than you.

I know a lot of the cryptsy staff personally, and they are mainly saying these are technical issues from them doing major upgrades that didn't quite go as planned. But that's as much as I know, so let's not write them off just yet. Be cautious, like everything involving money, but let's give them time to fix it.

On to GMC. As previously announced, I and another of our team will be part of the "Gaming on the Blockchain" panel on 15 December! I hope to meet some of you wonderful people there, and we are also planning to start releasing some of our projects in the very near future.

As has been the case since this team took control of the coin, we continue to keep our cards close to the vest. This isn't because we aren't doing anything, it's because so many coins have started off with a roar only to fall flat when they can't meet the promises they made. We don't make any promises until we're dead certain we can deliver. If we go quiet for a while, it usually is an indicator that we're working our balls off on something

Stay tuned, and I really hope to see a lot of love for GMC at Inside Bitcoins in San Diego!

I'm pretty sure he was referring to number of coins in a block. That answer has two parts. First, right now, no it don't matter. Well, actually it does, but it won't screw you up other than artificially raising POS difficulty.

Second part is that once the fork is complete, it will almost certainly need to be 1000 coins or greater, or will not stake. I'm not on the dev team, but I talk to them That seemed to be the consensus of where it's going.

Well played, sir

Bitcointalk is Mos Eisely. It's best to have a VERY thick skin here Grigbo is actually a decent guy, and it was a good first response.

As to redownloading the blockchain, with a few precautions, it won't affect your staking other than the time it takes to do it. (which will lead to slightly larger staking if the coins are already mature, so, no biggie). This has been posted elsewhere in the thread, but I don't feel like looking it up. I'll just go through the basics.

First off, use the bootstrap that's in the OP. There are some issues with downloading a fresh chain at about the time of the last fork which can sometime freeze the sync. Not guaranteed to do so, but it's easier with the bootstrap.

Before doing ANYTHING to the block chain files, make at least one backup of wallet.dat. I'm paranoid, and usually back one up to the cloud, one to the same drive, and one to a flash drive. Multiple redundancy is a lifesaver.

After doing that, go to your data directory (I'm not certain what that is on a Mac), and delete everything.

Copy the bootstrap.dat file in.

Fire up your client or daemon, and go watch a game or something. You have several hours, possibly as long as a couple of days before it fully syncs.

Optional: If you want to have full tx data on the whole freakin' chain, add txindex=1 to your tekcoin.conf file. Normally, it only indexes YOUR transactions, but with that flag you're essentially a block explorer unto yourself. The upside is obvious, the downside is it takes WAY longer to sync.

Also, since you're new here and people tag me a lot, a bit of a disclaimer. I'm not part of the Tekcoin project, though I have assisted them with testing on several occasions, and Thundertoe is my friend. Sometimes I have inside info, but don't depend on it

EDIT: Buy a PC Macs are too expensive, and don't run Linux well. (I kid, I run linux and pretty much despise windows and mac both for anything to do with security.)