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601  Other / Meta / Re: 10th anniversary art contest on: October 18, 2019, 03:04:59 PM
Is a black-bar censored preview acceptable for embedding? I have a slightly funny forum-censorship related joke planned (consider it part of the art).

Yes.
602  Other / Meta / Re: bitcointalk.org 10th anniversary on: October 18, 2019, 02:54:03 PM
There is a possibility that theymos is using the art contest to get more ideas as to what the coin should look like and who ever wins the contest can get

No, I don't have any secret plans related to this. The art contest is just for fun. If you want a coin made, you have to work on it yourself. If you ask me for specific help, I may be able to, but don't expect me to be working on it in the background: I'm absolutely not.

I have exactly 3 plans for the 10th anniversary:
 - The art contest.
 - Another thing which I will make public on Tuesday, probably. It's a temporary forum feature similar to past april fools things in some ways, though not a prank.
 - I'll write some thoughts/reflections.
603  Other / Meta / Re: 10th anniversary art contest on: October 18, 2019, 02:38:49 PM
Small suggestion @theymos, it would be good to create a poll picking the top ten or twenty art works by 22 November 2019 and post it for voting. Through this even the community users can help in choosing the right winner. One who gets the increased number of votes can be rewarded as the winner of the contest.

Maybe I'll do something like that nearer to the end, though designing a voting system to prevent manipulation is difficult.

Any art you post must be created by you.
Can I bend this rule a bit and submit art made by my (toddler) daughter?
I asked her just yesterday if it's okay if I sell her artwork on the internet for Bitcoin, and she said yes. If I can get her to make anything Bitcoin related, this would be a great start of her art career.

Yes.

I know it's not really "art"

That is art.


NSFW images can be accepted as contest entries, but per forum rules, don't embed it in the page, and mark it as NSFW.
604  Other / Meta / Re: 10th anniversary art contest on: October 18, 2019, 02:21:43 AM
I suggest you create a pool for prize where every Bitcointalk whale can pitch in for the prize money. 1 btc may seem a lot but given the number of people that are on Bitcointalk, it might be too little. Say if some old time donors or vip members decided to get generous, they can pitch in to this pool.

There's no need for a pool: If you like someone's art, send them BTC. Everyone is going to be posting an address publicly.
605  Other / Meta / Re: 10th anniversary art contest on: October 17, 2019, 11:32:32 PM
No "reserved" posts, please -- it only clutters the thread.

Any criteria for the art or rules?
Like it should be only done in any way like in digital or canvas using some paints or any drawing materials? If it should be done on canvas, does size matter on the canvas?..
Is any form of art allowed?

Handsfree, Hand Paint, Photoshop, Digital, etc.

No, it's just for fun, not for any particular purpose, so there's no strict criteria. Anything artistic and image-based is OK. Even things like photos of a 3D print you made would be OK.

Since the judging is not totally in merit based, I think it is much better to know what are the judging criterias for the art, like what should we consider or to be included in our art to get more points from the judges.(suggestion only)

For consensus, I am going to try to neutrally judge how much the community likes the submission based on comments and merit. Similar to the Wikipedia idea of consensus-judging.

Can we make unli submission?

Yes, but probably there will be diminishing returns.
606  Other / Meta / 10th anniversary art contest on: October 17, 2019, 10:38:11 PM
The contest is over, thank you very much to everyone who participated! I was blown away at the number and quality of submissions.

I distributed a total of 9991 merit. These people won badges:
dannybrown
Yatsan
Corrosive
Kalemder
taufik123
BTC winners are as follows:
Award tier 1
dannybrown: 0.07562500
1Dq: 0.07366071
summonerrk[1][2]: 0.07169643
Karmakid[1][2]: 0.06973214
nc50lc: 0.06776786
Meddzs: 0.06580357
RiseX: 0.06383929
horagames: 0.06187500
Award tier 2
mikhael: 0.01148529
sirazimuth: 0.01142201
crossabdd: 0.01135873
likehiro: 0.01129545
aoluain: 0.01123217
meliodas: 0.01116889
one21gals: 0.01110561
sujonali1819[1][2][3]: 0.01104234
goaldigger[1][2]: 0.01097906
kaicrypzen: 0.01091578
creep_o: 0.01085250
Icygreen: 0.01078922
cryptobaboon: 0.01072594
carlfebz2: 0.01066266
akhjob: 0.01059938
Mamaecrypto[1][2][3]: 0.01053610
Lucasgabd: 0.01047282
tweetious: 0.01040954
Oasisman[1][2]: 0.01034626
bharal07: 0.01028298
Quidat: 0.01021970
fiulpro: 0.01015642
axicron: 0.01009314
Kalemder: 0.01002986
Aleksey77: 0.00996658
GazetaBitcoin[1][2]: 0.00990330
ecnalubma: 0.00984002
rhomelmabini: 0.00977674
Debonaire217: 0.00971346
makrospex: 0.00965018
KTChampions: 0.00958690
rare_designer: 0.00952362
spike420211[1][2][3]: 0.00946034
geophphreigh: 0.00939706
Award tier 3
Foxpup: 0.00312931
hugeblack: 0.00311933
taufik123: 0.00310935
ZipReg: 0.00309936
Twentyonepaylots[1][2]: 0.00308938
DireWolfM14: 0.00307940
start the art[1][2]: 0.00306942
1btcdream: 0.00305944
Valjdek: 0.00304946
ice098: 0.00303947
cabalism13[1][2]: 0.00302949
DomingoX6: 0.00301951
cuo[1][2][3]: 0.00300953
rat03gopoh: 0.00299955
Bloodie44: 0.00298956
ibminer[1][2]: 0.00297958
Raja_MBZ: 0.00296960
yazher: 0.00295962
Darker45[1][2]: 0.00294964
C.R.Y.P.T.O: 0.00293966
sompitonov: 0.00292967
MissGrey: 0.00291969
yarelydiaz: 0.00290971
quest_777: 0.00289973
nomteck1: 0.00288975
sheenshane: 0.00287976
terizla[1][2]: 0.00286978
sashapan: 0.00285980
Corrosive: 0.00284982
TheShock: 0.00283984
alegotardo: 0.00282985
sedactoo+04: 0.00281987
ESG: 0.00280989
Kupid002: 0.00279991
manusiakarton[1][2]: 0.00278993
Pepelangelo: 0.00277995
Asterxylon: 0.00276996
DragonDance[1][2]: 0.00275998
dwyane36: 0.00275000
tyKiwanuka: 0.00274002
iwantapony: 0.00273004
yehestielsiburian: 0.00272005
ritaconscience[1][2]: 0.00271007
Ryker1: 0.00270009
akirasendo17: 0.00269011
Russlenat: 0.00268013
samcrypto: 0.00267015
Yatsan: 0.00266016
noorman0[1][2][3]: 0.00265018
zxs: 0.00264020
mosdesign: 0.00263022
lucky80: 0.00262024
madnessteat: 0.00261025
cryptoaddictchie[1][2]: 0.00260027
AicecreaME: 0.00259029
shodik007: 0.00258031
maxreish: 0.00257033
Husna QA: 0.00256034

Congrats to the winners, and thanks again to all participants!


Being primarily a text-based forum, it's not surprising that there hasn't been much original bitcointalk.org art, but I've always thought that this has been a bit of a shame. Therefore, for bitcointalk.org's 10th anniversary, let's have an art contest!

Prizes:
 - I will distribute at total of at least 1 BTC to the art submissions which I personally like the best, completely subjectively. I might give out more if there are a lot of good submissions.
 - I will give out a ton of merit, probably at least 500 in total, based mainly on effort.
 - Between 1 and 20 (depending on number of submissions) people will receive art contest recognition badges: , based mainly on community consensus of who had the best art. In judging consensus, I will be substantially but not entirely influenced by the total amount of merit your art received.

Post original bitcointalk.org art in this thread along with a Bitcoin address. Any art you post must be created by you. It should be related to bitcointalk.org, but need not be related specifically to its 10th anniversary.

The contest ends Nov 22 18:04:28 UTC; submissions after that are not guaranteed consideration. BTC will be sent all at once, probably a few hours after the end time.

Keep this thread clean: only post art and discuss the art posted, staying very on-topic. No "reserved" posts, please -- it only clutters the thread. See this thread for more commentary, questions/answers, and comments.
607  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 291 on: October 17, 2019, 04:18:41 PM
Note that after this round, there will be a period of about 30 days where ads will not be sold.

To be clear: winners of this round will not have their ads run for 30 days. They'll run for the usual time. Ads just won't be sold at all for a ~30-day period; in other words, this is the last auction for a while where ads will be sold.
608  Other / Meta / Re: Banning Franky1 by mods is lame. on: October 16, 2019, 10:26:10 PM
franky1 was not and is not banned. I see that some off-topic posts of his were deleted recently, though normally his posts are pretty substantive (even if I usually disagree with him).
609  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 291 on: October 15, 2019, 06:51:40 PM
20 @ 0.2

This bid looks nonsensical and I have no idea what you would advertise, so I will ignore your bids unless you PM me explaining what you're going to advertise, and probably also prepay.


I'll let them know, thanks.
610  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 4/20 reform on: October 14, 2019, 09:45:17 PM
One of the few things you and I agree on... Those people should never have been in prison in the first place, so releasing them is #1, but some compensation would be appropriate as well. In addition to the clear moral case against imprisoning people for victimless crimes, if you got this many people out of prison and back on their feet, imagine how good that'd be for the economy.

I love that Yang is promising to pardon non-violent drug offenders like this. Have any others made the same promise yet? This is absolutely something that any president could do on day 1. Ron Paul promised the same thing when he was running in 2012.
611  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 291 on: October 14, 2019, 08:58:42 PM
Note that after this round, there will be a period of about 30 days where ads will not be sold.
612  Economy / Auctions / Advertise on this forum - Round 291 on: October 14, 2019, 08:57:00 PM
The forum sells ad space in the area beneath the first post of every topic page. This income is used primarily to cover hosting costs and to pay moderators for their work (there are many moderators, so each moderator gets only a small amount -- moderators should be seen as volunteers, not employees). Any leftover amount is typically either saved for future expenses or otherwise reinvested into the forum or the ecosystem.

Ads are allowed to contain any non-annoying HTML/CSS style. No images, JavaScript, custom fonts, or animation. Ads must appear 3 or fewer lines tall in my browser (Firefox, 900px wide). Ad text may not contain lies, misrepresentation, or inappropriate language. Ads may not link directly to any NSFW page. No ICOs[1], loggable mixers[2], banks, funds, or anything that a person can be said to "invest" in; I may very rarely make exceptions if you convince me that you are ultra legit, but don't count on it. Ads may be rejected for other reasons, and I may remove ads even after they are accepted.

There are 10 total ad slots which are randomly rotated. So one ad slot has a one in ten chance of appearing. Nine of the slots are for sale here. Ads appear only on topic pages with more than one post, and only for people using the default theme.

Duration

- Your ads are guaranteed to be up for at least 7 days.
- I usually try to keep ads up for no more than 8 or 9 days.
- Sometimes ads might be up for longer, but hopefully no longer than 12 days. Even if past rounds sometimes lasted for long periods of time, you should not rely on this for your ads.

Stats

Exact historical impression counts per slot:
https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adstats

Info about the current ad slots:
https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adinfo

Ad blocking

Hero/Legendary members, Donators, VIPs, and moderators have the ability to disable ads. I don't expect many people to use this option. These people don't increase the impression stats for your ads.

I try to bypass Adblock Plus filters as much as possible, though this is not guaranteed. It is difficult or impossible for ABP filters to block the ad space itself without blocking posts. However, filters can match against the URLs in your links, your CSS classes and style attributes, and the HTML structure of your ads.

To prevent matches against URLs: I have some JavaScript which fixes links blocked by ABP. You must tell me if you want this for your ads. When someone with ABP and JavaScript enabled views your ads, your links are changed to a special randomized bitcointalk.org URL which redirects to your site when visited. People without ABP are unaffected, even if they don't have JavaScript enabled. The downsides are:
- ABP users will see the redirection link when they hover over the link, even if they disable ABP for the forum.
- Getting referral stats might become even more difficult.
- Some users might get a warning when redirecting from https to http.

To prevent matching on CSS classes/styles: Don't use inline CSS. I can give your ad a CSS class that is randomized on each pageload, but you must request this.

To prevent matching against your HTML structure: Use only one <a> and no other tags if possible. If your ads get blocked because of matching done on something inside of your ad, you are responsible for noticing this and giving me new ad HTML.

Designing ads

Make sure that your ads look good when you download and edit this test page:
https://bitcointalk.org/ad_test.html
Also read the comments in that file.

Images are not allowed no matter how they are created (CSS, SVG, or data URI). Occasionally I will make an exception for small logos and such, but you must get pre-approval from me first.

The maximum size of any one ad is 51200 bytes.

I will send you more detailed styling rules if you win slots in this auction (or upon request).

Auction rules

You must be at least a Jr Member to bid. If you are not a Jr Member and you really want to bid, you should PM me first. Tell me in the PM what you're going to advertise. You might be required to pay some amount in advance. Everyone else: Please quickly PM newbies who try to bid here to warn them against impersonation scammers.

If you have never purchased forum ad space before, and it is not blatantly obvious what you're going to advertise, say what you're going to advertise in your first bid, or tell me in a PM.

Post your bids in this thread. Prices must be stated in BTC per slot. You must state the maximum number of slots you want. When the auction ends, the highest bidders will have their slots filled until all nine slots are filled.

So if someone bids for 9 slots @ 5 BTC and this is the highest bid, then he'll get all 9 slots. If the two highest bids are 9 slots @ 4 BTC and 1 slot @ 5 BTC, then the first person will get 8 slots and the second person will get 1 slot.

The notation "2 @ 5" means 2 slots for 5 BTC each. Not 2 slots for 5 BTC total.

- When you post a bid, the bids in your previous posts are considered to be automatically canceled. You can put multiple bids in one post, however.
- All bid prices must be evenly divisible by 0.01.
- The bidding starts at 0.01.
- I will end the auction at an arbitrary time. Unless I say otherwise, I typically try to end auctions within a few days of 10 days from the time of this post, but unexpected circumstances may sometimes force me to end the auction anytime between 4 and 22 days from the start. I have a small bias toward ending auctions on Fridays, Sundays, and Mondays.
- If two people bid at the same price, the person who bid first will have his slots filled first.
- Bids are considered invalid and will be ignored if they do not specify both a price and a max quantity, or if they could not possibly win any slots

If these rules are confusing, look at some of the past forum ad auctions to see how it's done.

I reserve the right to reject bids, even days after the bid is made.

Price flattening

At the end of the auction, after the winning bids are all determined, I will do a "price flattening" operation. This has no effect on which bids actually win. For each bid, in order of lowest to greatest price/slot, I will reduce each bid's price/slot to the highest value which is equal to or only the minimum increment greater than the next-lower bid. This allows you to bid higher prices without worrying so much, but you still mustn't bid more than you're willing to pay. Example:

Code:
This:
Slots  BTC/Slot  Person
    6      0.20       A
    1      0.16       B
    1      0.08       C
    1      0.08       D

Becomes:
Slots  BTC/Slot  Person
    6      0.10       A [step 4: reduced to 0.09+0.01=0.10]
    1      0.09       B [step 3: reduced to 0.08+0.01=0.09]
    1      0.08       C [step 2: same as the next-lowest, unchanged]
    1      0.08       D [step 1: the lowest bid is always unchanged]

Payment, etc.

You must pay for your slots within 24 hours of receiving the payment address. Otherwise your slots may be sold to someone else, and I might even give you a negative trust rating. I will send you the payment information via forum PM from this account ("theymos", user ID 35) after announcing the auction results in this thread. You might receive false payment information from scammers pretending to be me. They might even have somewhat similar usernames. Be careful.

[1]: For the purposes of forum ads, an ICO is any token, altcoin, or other altcoin-like thing which meets any of the following criteria: it is primarily run/backed by a company; it is substantially, fundamentally centralized in either operation or coin distribution; or it is not yet possible for two unprivileged users of the system to send coins directly to each other in a P2P way. The intention here is to allow community efforts to advertise things like Litecoin, but not to allow ICO funding, even when the ICO is disguised in various ways.
[2]: A loggable mixer is a service marketed primarily for improving transaction privacy which accepts full custody of cryptocurrency for a time and has the technical ability to log where the cryptocurrency comes from and goes to (even if they promise not to log).
613  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 290 on: October 14, 2019, 08:55:58 PM
Auction ended, final result:
Slots BTC/Slot Person
1 0.06 mareker
2 0.06 lightlord
6 0.05 sportsbet.io
614  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: New IRS 'guidance' on: October 10, 2019, 01:39:56 PM
The statement is complete nonsense, clearly written by someone who doesn't understand this stuff whatsoever. It sounds like the IRS asked around the office, "Hey, anyone know what this hardfork/airdrop stuff is?", and one guy said, "Oh yeah, Coinbase gave me an airdrop in my account that one time! Something about a hardfork. Dunno what it was about, but I guess it's income?"

Coin Center says:
because the value of a coin is typically zero at the moment of a hard fork (given there are no markets yet), then the reportable income would be zero
So it seems that the accounting that everyone was already using (ie. when you sell it, it's capital gains with zero basis) holds up even under the nonsense guidance except perhaps when it's an exchange giving you the "airdrop".

If they try to go after someone for this sort of thing, they're going to have a hell of a time pinning down a market value. If you're Mark Zuckerburg and you want to gift all of your Facebook shares to a charity, you don't get to deduct the current market price of FB shares times the number of shares you donated: firstly because if you actually sold those shares, it'd crash the market; and secondly because many of those shares are of an untraded class. In this scenario, Zuckerburg would have to get an appraisal done by a specialist appraiser to estimate the actual cash value of the shares.
615  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin ideas & vote on: October 08, 2019, 08:04:06 PM
Hopefully, there's something else planned as a little celebration. I might as well lock this thread, unless we can rally together, and make this happen? I'd probably be willing to put some money into this to get this going. Although, it never has the same appeal as an unofficial coin.

It is a really cool idea, but it's just too big of a project for a one-time thing. In many ways it's like setting up a new merchandising business from scratch.

If people want to get this done, I think you should do it by partnering with a business that already has a web storefront, BTC payment, delivery, etc. set up. At the end, once things are ready to ship, I'd be willing to "bless" some particular product as "official", if it's good. And I could also work with them to give out 100 50%-off coupon codes to worthy forum users as well, or something. (Coupon codes would also have privacy benefits, since there'd be no link on either end between forum users and shipping info.)

But I am going to spend zero time on this until/unless it's basically already done, so it'll have to be a community-led effort.
616  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Bitcointalk.org collectible coin? on: October 08, 2019, 06:56:11 PM
I decided that I won't have time to see through the creation of a coin myself. If one or more other people want to create collectibles, I can advertise them into the 10-year-anniversary topic which I will eventually create. And if there's a really good product, I would be willing to partially subsidize the cost of them for the top n forum members, or something in that general vein. But I decided that there'd be far too many things to figure out from scratch with an official forum giveaway (eg. creating the design, getting the coins made, delivering items, safely/privately sharing data with various new service providers, debating exact giveaway conditions, etc.), so if anything is going to be done here, it'll have to be done independently.

Sorry if I got people's hopes up.
617  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 07, 2019, 06:54:24 PM
I hadn't been following this closely for a while, but the class action complaint against Tether/BitFinex makes things look pretty bad for them... How important are they to the current ecosystem at this point? How much has the risk of Finex+USDT going the way of MtGox already been priced in?

The complaint doesn't completely convince me that Finex was printing USDT to manipulate prices, though it's certainly possible. I've been skeptical of USDT's backing for a long time. If they weren't manipulating, then the whole matter looks like the US government stole their money and then turned around and said, "Now you're operating at fractional reserve, so you're fraudulent!"
618  Other / Meta / Re: Bumping changes on some boards on: October 05, 2019, 09:38:41 PM
The other thing that I can't quite get my head around is how the weekly post window works. If I post on the thread every day then according to the formula in the OP:
If you haven't posted in a topic in the last 7 days, posting in it adds 1% of your base bump power to the topic's bump score. Deleted posts count against the 7-day limit, but not the topic's bump score.
it would seem that only the first post will bump it, since every subsequent post that is still in the 36-hour window will have up to 6 previous posts in the 7-day window... so no bump?
My phrasing was inexact: when you post in a thread, the system checks whether you minibumped the thread in the last 7 days. If so, there is no bump effect. If not, you minibump the thread. But separately, at bump score calculation time, minibumps from now-deleted posts are not counted, even though they will continue to count for the 7-day window.



It sounds like people really want a "do not bump" option, so I'll probably end up adding that.
619  Other / Meta / Re: permanently banned on: October 05, 2019, 01:04:04 AM
Unbanned.

I believe TotSamiy is banned on the premise that he is an alt of mdafjal786 (not bubbalex) and both accounts share the exact same facebook account.

mdafjal786 has used this facebook address around and over 15 times (43 total post/newbie account): https://www.facebook.com/mdafjal786
and only once the address TotSamiy uses, which by the way was posted twice prior to mdafjal786's post!

My question is...what is stopping a newbie throwaway account to take your btc or eth or whatever address/social media handle to use it as their own and then get banned? How is that TotSamiy's fault? Are there any other connections between mdafjal786 and TotSamiy?

Good reasoning.


That post is long, but irrelevant to this case since bubbalex is neither banned nor linked to mdafjal786.

Our moderators are highly accurate, so it makes sense to start out biased against appeals. But mistakes happen: ignoring relevant evidence and accepting irrelevant evidence leads to injustice.
620  Other / Meta / Re: DT update log on: October 04, 2019, 08:09:42 PM
This month 111 users were eligible.

Old:
Code:
theymos
HostFat
dooglus
TECSHARE
OgNasty
CanaryInTheMine
malevolent
qwk
Vod
Anduck
mprep
Foxpup
philipma1957
babo
Cyrus
Flying Hellfish
Welsh
ibminer
TMAN
TookDk
Mitchell
Micio
vizique
Ticked
yogg
by rallier
dbshck
TheNewAnon135246
hybridsole
greenplastic
hilariousandco
arulbero
Avirunes
mindrust
buckrogers
Lesbian Cow
redsn0w
willi9974
cryptodevil
suchmoon
JayJuanGee
Rmcdermott927
achow101
teeGUMES
owlcatz
nutildah
dazedfool
sapta
tmfp
BitcoinPenny
yahoo62278
zazarb
LFC_Bitcoin
mhanbostanci
bones261
LoyceV
actmyname
WhiteManWhite
Kalemder
The Pharmacist
LeGaulois
DarkStar_
asu
kzv
TheFuzzStone
Jet Cash
bL4nkcode
Lafu
Gunthar
finaleshot2016
xtraelv
crwth
Ale88
Kryptowerk
bobita
krogothmanhattan
Matthias9515
roycilik
micgoossens
Silent26
Veleor
o_e_l_e_o
chimk
pandukelana2712
coinlocket$
witcher_sense
asche
DdmrDdmr
anonymousminer
Alex_Sr
morvillz7z
fillippone
taikuri13
abhiseshakana
madnessteat
Coolcryptovator
lovesmayfamilis
DireWolfM14
1miau
DIKUL

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Code:
theymos
HostFat
gmaxwell
CanaryInTheMine
malevolent
qwk
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mprep
Dabs
Foxpup
philipma1957
babo
Cyrus
Flying Hellfish
monkeynuts
Welsh
ibminer
TMAN
TookDk
Mitchell
vizique
Ticked
by rallier
dbshck
TheNewAnon135246
hybridsole
hilariousandco
arulbero
Avirunes
Lydian
mindrust
buckrogers
Lesbian Cow
redsn0w
willi9974
cryptodevil
suchmoon
Rmcdermott927
achow101
teeGUMES
owlcatz
nutildah
dazedfool
sapta
tmfp
yahoo62278
zazarb
LFC_Bitcoin
ezeminer
MaoChao
LoyceV
actmyname
WhiteManWhite
The Pharmacist
LeGaulois
DarkStar_
asu
kzv
TheFuzzStone
Jet Cash
bL4nkcode
Lafu
polymerbit
Gunthar
finaleshot2016
xtraelv
crwth
Ale88
Kryptowerk
bobita
Vispilio
krogothmanhattan
JollyGood
Goran_
roycilik
micgoossens
bavicrypto
Veleor
theyoungmillionaire
o_e_l_e_o
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